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lu-is-not-ok · 1 year
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This fucking guy.
Anyway have some of my incoherent ramblings about this man under the read more because I have a lot to say about him.
Alright, let me split this into three sections because otherwise this ramble will be even more of a mess than it already is.
I'm gonna discuss Yi Sang in the mirror, or Sang Yi, under a couple of different lights.
One, how he relates to the concept of being the opposite reflection to Yi Sang. Two, how he ties back to Yi Sang's wife from "The Wings". And three, some of my thoughts about how he might fit into the wider scope of the plot and world of Limbus Company.
Strap in lads.
Sang Yi as a "left-handed" reflection
Something that becomes increasingly clear as we're shown interactions between Yi Sang and Sang Yi, and what is directly spelled out by the latter at the end of Canto IV's dungeon, is that Sang Yi is effectively the antithesis of much that makes Yi Sang, well... Yi Sang.
Yi Sang, at the core of everything, is a very sentimental and kind man. He cares a lot about the people around him, even if he doesn't always show it outwardly, and struggles to move on from whatever losses he experiences. Though he may claim otherwise, he's also constantly thinking about everything he's going through, which is what eventually leads him to the Mirror as a form of escapism from his curel reality.
Sang Yi on the other hand... is none of that.
Most of the 'comforting' words or advice Sang Yi offers to Yi Sang can be boiled down to "Stop caring or thinking about every little thing.", a sentiment that's directly in opposition of who Yi Sang is as a person.
Sang Yi finds the idea of feeling joy or despair over the past pointless. He thinks Yi Sang shouldn't feel guilty about his technology being used to exploit others because he already knew what he was getting himself into. He doesn't understand why Yi Sang would have trouble moving on if he were to lose Sang Yi.
Whereas Yi Sang is caring and emotionally-driven, Sang Yi is... I don't want to say uncaring, since he does seem to care about Yi Sang to some degree, but at the very least he is rather distant and logically-driven.
I think the moment that exemplifies that the most is when Yi Sang tells him Gubo doesn't care about him beyond using him as an accessory to prop himself up in the limelight, to which Sang Yi responds that it doesn't matter, that Yi Sang should use this as an opportunity to be in that limelight as well.
And, actually, speaking about that. Sang Yi doesn't really seem to think things through nearly as much as Yi Sang does. Or, at the very least, he doesn't care to look deeper than the surface level.
Sang Yi sees Gubo's attempts at connecting with Yi Sang as genuinely caring about him, whereas Yi Sang is able to see through them and realize Gubo is being entirely selfish here. Sang Yi sees the new League of Nine as something worth joining, while Yi Sang notices that it is nothing but a mockery of the old League. When Sang Yi learns of the new League's plan to destroy mirror worlds, his only reaction is that of mild curiosity without even a sign of concern.
All that being said, the biggest example of this might just be the fact that Sang Yi did not even realize just how badly Yi Sang was feeling until Yi Sang straight up told him there was nothing left for him in this world outside of Sang Yi.
Though we can't know for sure what exactly Sang Yi was feeling at the time, as all that we know about him is colored by Yi Sang's own bias towards him, I think it's fair to say that was the moment where it finally hit Sang Yi just how badly he fucked up by keeping Yi Sang stuck there all to himself.
Which, now that I think about it, transitions nicely to the other angle I want to look at.
Sang Yi as Yeongsim / Yi Sang's wife
First of all, just to lay it out there in the open, as fucking hilarious out of context as it sounds to say Yi Sang was his own wife all along, it's... actually not all that far off.
Beyond the fact that the Mirror is directly named after his wife in "The Wings", there's some other obvious signs that point to it. If you were to take the letters Yi Sang was writing to Sang Yi out of context, you could absolutely mistake them for something one would write to a lover too far away to be easily reachable. Plus, the way Yi Sang's first reaction to seeing Sang Yi is to call him "beautiful" in his mind?
Yeah, there's something to that.
And, of course, there's something to be said about the similarities between Sang Yi's role in Yi Sang's life, and the role Yi Sang's wife played in "The Wings".
That being the way both of them end up isolating Yi Sang, how both of them actively withhold information from him, and how Yi Sang sees them as perfect and without a fault even as they're hurting him.
I don't feel like talking about "The Wings" in depth right now as it's almost 5 am and I want to actually finish writing this fucking post at some point, but if you want to know what I'm comparing Sang Yi to, it's a short read that's easy to find a free pdf online for.
The fact that Sang Yi was trying to keep Yi Sang inside is probably the most spelled out one out of everything I'm talking about in this post. Not only does Sang Yi directly tell Yi Sang to stay with him (mind you he doesn't even ask), but Ishmael, as an outside observer, notes how Sang Yi was trying to keep Yi Sang in the room by making him afraid of the outside.
Actually, looking at when he finally offers Yi Sang the choice to leave, it's in a... very interesting way, shall we say?
Not only does Sang Yi try to make the option of staying sound as appealing as possible by bringing up that Yi Sang will be able to continue doing what he loves (or at least what Sang Yi believes Yi Sang loves), like continue working on the Mirror and keep talking to him.
On the other hand, Sang Yi is reluctant to even bring up the option that Yi Sang can leave, and when Yi Sang shows interest (note that Yi Sang's immediate reaction isn't a "I don't want to leave", it's a "I don't think I can leave"), he continues to make the option sound as unappealing as possible, while still making it clear that it is possible.
How Yi Sang doesn't need to be able to fly to leave, but he will struggle endlessly if he does. How Yi Sang can eventually find somewhere to call his home, but he will have to walk until his feet hurt and will have to settle for wherever or whatever he ends up resting at.
I don't know about you, but that doesn't seem like the kind of encouragement or advice someone who had a person's best interest in mind would make.
Now, let's make some other facts clear while we're at it.
Sang Yi knew that Yi Sang had wings as well, after all, he calls that fact 'obvious' when he finally mentions it. However, he never directly told him he does, even as Yi Sang lamented to him about how (in his eyes) he himself had no wings. He only brings it up when Yi Sang is truly at his lowest.
Sang Yi knew what the effects of supplements Yi Sang was taking were, as he can tell exactly what will happen if Yi Sang stops taking them, or takes several at once. However, he never directly told him this until he gives Yi Sang a choice, even though he was clearly aware they were not beneficial.
Sang Yi knew that Yi Sang's room was always open, as he was confident that Yi Sang would be able to just leave on his own once the effects of the supplements cleared away. However, he never tells Yi Sang that, even when Yi Sang is making it clear he doesn't think he even can leave. It's actually one of the thing Yi Sang ends up finding out by himself.
Despite all of this... Yi Sang never stops to consider that Sang Yi might not have his best interests in mind. Sang Yi is his everything. He's perfect, flawless, the ideal self. He's the only thing Yi Sang has left.
Call me cynical, but it paints the ending of the Canto in a somewhat bittersweet light to me. After all, Sang Yi never has to apologize or even admit to anything, and Yi Sang still views him as positively as he always has.
I guess at the very least it's accurate to the book. After all, Yi Sang in "The Wings" ends up holding on to that perfect image of his wife to the very end.
Sang Yi as an entity
Okay I have no clever transition here like I did last time, but this is probably the thing about Sang Yi that's been bugging me the most.
Have you guys noticed just how much Sang Yi seems to know about Yi Sangs from different worlds? Those sweeping general statements about "All versions of Yi Sang" or "All Yi Sangs" that he makes with full confidence.
When Yi Sang assumes that Sang Yi can "be anywhere he wants" thanks to his wings, just how correct is he?
With the way Sang Yi talks about other Yi Sangs, it gives the impression that he's met a lot of them in the past. In fact, if that's true, it would recolor the meaning of Sang Yi's comment about his meeting with his particular Yi Sang "peculiar".
What's so peculiar about our Yi Sang specifically, if Sang Yi has met so many of them? Is it the method, the fact that it's through the mirror? Is it that Sang Yi finally found a Yi Sang that also had wings? Is it because our Yi Sang is the first one to contact him rather than the other way around?
And while we're on that topic, isn't the way Sang Yi talks about Yi Sangs kind of odd? It's always "All Yi Sangs" or "All versions of Yi Sang", as if he's not part of those Yi Sangs himself. It's like he's putting himself in the role of an outside observer, seperate from the concept of being a 'Yi Sang'.
Just what is Sang Yi, really? He implies he's the version of our Yi Sang that's inside the mirror, the one that "needs to be opposite, yet is quite alike" to the one outside, to explain why our Yi Sang would have wings if he saw them on Sang Yi, but like... He never directly says that's the case.
In fact, when Yi Sang asks Sang Yi about what the outside is like, Sang Yi weirdly dodges the question, saying it's all "the same tiring stuff". Another example of him withholding information aside, this all makes him seem rather fucking suspicious to me.
Just. What is he really?
God I hope we get to see him again, cause I really want to know what the fuck his actual deal is.
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balis77 · 2 months
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necronatural · 11 months
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making sure everyone got the themes of the piece at the end of my fanfic
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slugpup2 · 3 months
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meme redraw from a while back.. kinda sucks but it was a warmup at the time
original!!!
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teotoffee · 6 months
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outis sketches from the past week
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homiu-l · 10 months
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LCB Sinners but we sort them out based on their sins for me study them like new type of mechanisms
(inspired by this sin affinity analysis post written by @lu-is-not-ok which perk my interest in reading through the sinners based on their sin affinities)
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sleepyminty · 2 months
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SPOILER
Hey look new Ishmael ID looks gre-*got bashed in the head*
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confusedgull · 11 months
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Mirrors in Limbus...
Something that's been on my mind for a while is the significance of mirrors, and mirrors/shattering in general, alongside fragility, especially when it comes to people/life in Limbus.
Two big moments to me were when Dante said they "heard" something shatter within Sinclair after Effie was put to rest
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Then when Yi Sang speaks about his past and Dante looks at his back while waking away, the shattered mirror like effect is there too, like a hollow doll or puppet.
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We presume it's a metaphorical thing with the whole "shattering of innocence", but what if it's more literal?
Especially with Dante's abilities, I won't be surprised if they can see and sense these moments for a big reason later. Them turning into stars or something as Demian mentioned in Canto 3.
[ On that note, he(Demian) had said that Sinclair will be one of those stars, but didn't elaborate. Wil all the Sinners become stars or is there a criteria? Like, idk, making peace with their past? smth smth revelations in the bible getting sorted into purgatory heaven and hell, etc.
Rhodya and Gregor haven't truly moved on, Sinclair has just begun to deal with the fact that he was to blame for his past but there's nothing he can change because it's not something he could have predicted, and Yi Sang is the closest to having moved one.
I'll probably dive deeper into that another day, but would love to hear others about it.]
But back to mirrors, shattering mirror sounds when using EGOs, shattering when it comes to moments like Sinclair and Yi Sang's, Mirrors holding the possibility of multiple other worlds (some that can be accessed through Dante's own mind/clock as we seen during April fool's) Mirrors bringing back scenes from pasts that aren't even yours, like....
With Ishmael's canto, I wonder if we'll get a mirror moment with her too, maybe other Sinners with hollow shattered bodies, or will we get to see cracks appear on someone as they drift away/come to terms with things *cough*DonQuixote*cough*
Especially with the fragility of the mind being brought up with sinners talking about the them dealing with EGOs and IDs, getting too used to death (as pointed out by Outis and Meursault) or even with Dante who is questioning why are they so used to having to deal with the pain or why shouldn't they be (Canto 4)
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0-lcb-sinner · 26 days
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i see yi sang and outis have joined the "random bullshit go" team!
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interesting mechanic, although it would be probably annoying to run a team centered around it. since tremor and rupture status application often show up with each other, this could be helpful with activating the passives of new ids (as not even god could force me to run a team that inflicts 1 status effect each)
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army-in-the-stars · 4 months
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fishareglorious · 11 months
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Yeonsim? Isn’t that the name of the guy’s wife from The Wings? The exact person our Yi Sang is based of?
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He talks to a version of his ideal self in a mirror world that Yi Sang sees through “Yeonsim”. I have not read The Wings I do not have the head to parse through the deeper meaning of this.
Yeah.
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lu-is-not-ok · 11 months
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Hong Lu doodle requests part 2/?
Bonus doodle, the K Corp Hong Lu MD2 Solo experience:
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tictoxic · 1 year
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random thought but. given lcb's whole thing alternate identities, i gotta wonder if this funky abno from good ol' lobcorp might come into play...
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bladelineagesalsu · 11 months
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idk how to articulate it but sang yi is not yi sang
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eggsploded · 10 months
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made a yi sang playlist (shoutouts pal liz for rigging yi sang into the aoba pose)
listen to this while staring up at the ceiling in bed at 3am for the full depressive episode experience
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spark-circuit · 1 year
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HOW THE FUCK DID THEY EVEN MANAGE THAT
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