#thw rewrite

[violet-moonstone]

You know, based on Snotlout's reaction towards Fishlegs as "Thor Bonecrusher", I think he shouldn't have had a one-sided rivalry with Eret. He should have had a crush on him.

I will always take RTTE characterization over how any of the characters written in THW, and to a certain extent, the second movie.

Also the fact that there were people on Reddit claiming that Snotlout is 100% straight even after watching "Big Man on Berk" is absolutely ridiculous. He literally kisses Fishlegs on the cheek, talks about "what might have been" and says his heart is broken. Two straight characters could do nothing but touch pinkies and people say they're in love, but the rarely affectionate Snotlout KISSES ANOTHER MAN ON THE CHEEK while talking about his feelings for him and it's suddenly just bros bein dudes. Ok sure.

#httyd #how to train your dragon #rtte #race to the edge #riders of berk #defenders of berk #snotlout jorgenson #httyd snotlout #violet-moongem #eretlout #thw rewrite

[yellow-faerie]

If the third HTTYD film actually wanted to end like the books, the dragons wouldn't have all left like that

#yes I have a rewrite idea #yes I just spent all morning scrolling through httyd blogs and thinking about #yes I really want to talk about it #HTTYD #HTTYD Films #THW #The Hidden World #HTTYD THW #THW Rewrite #HTTYD 3 #Fae Rambles Into The Void #I really want someone to send me an ask about this is you couldn't tell

[10blue10]

The Hidden World Themes

(Rediscovered this on my computer and decided to dust it off and post it here on Tumblr XD)

The intended themes of HTTYD: THW, as far as I can tell, are about maturing, letting go, accepting change and standing on your own. These are all good themes and I agree with them in theory. The problem is the way they were handled. I’m sorry, but if the themes have gotten mixed up with implications about segregation and ‘otherness’, romantic vs platonic relationships being portrayed as a binary or one better than the other, and looking for a quick fix solution to avoid problems rather than face and solve them…then something has gone very wrong. I’m sure many of you may insist that Dean didn’t intend for these implications to be in the movie, but they are there regardless. If anything, the fact that Dean apparently didn’t notice or dismissed these issues with his script makes him more culpable, not less. Furthermore, does a franchise based on the premise ‘Vikings who ride dragons’ really need to be realistic? I’m not expecting a play by play of how history would change, but when you put dragons, or any supernatural element, in the ‘real world’, that changes things by definition. ‘Realism’ means addressing typically ignored consequences, not ‘copying’ reality (I recommend Overly Sarcastic Productions ‘Trope Talk: Realism’ for a more comprehensive exploration). That’s what reality TV is for. As I was saying…

Theme One – Coming of Age Dean wanted HTTYD to be Hiccup’s coming of age story, but he also projects onto Hiccup, and therein lies the biggest problem with the movie (and really the franchise as a whole). It revolves entirely around Hiccup, to the point that the other characters feel like NPCs, and Dean is simply ‘playing’ as Hiccup. Snotlout, the twins and even Fishlegs are all portrayed as being way more immature, irresponsible and ignorant than Hiccup ever was, but their complete lack of development is used for ‘comic relief’ (and I use the phrase very loosely). They don’t actually matter, because this is The Hiccup Show, aka The Dean Show.

What gets me is the fact that the movie seems to equate ‘coming of age’ with “get married”. Right from the start Hiccup is told he should marry Astrid, and then at the end when he sends the dragons away he’s rewarded for this ‘mature’ decision by… marrying Astrid. Something that was going to happen anyway, because of course it was. There was no way the franchise wouldn’t end with a Hiccstrid wedding scene. Let’s give the ‘coming of age’ arc to Snotlout instead, shall we? After all, he’s had development before regarding his dad Spitelout, so we can run with that. Instead of flirting with Valka (eww), we can have him be overly competitive towards Eret, to the point it’s affecting missions. Snotlout blames Eret for leaving Ruffnut behind, and Eret asks what Snotlouts’ problem with him is. To which Snotlout responds that he’s jealous, because Eret is tall, strong, handsome (wait what?), talented… even Spitelout likes him more! So Eret tells Spitelout that if he really said he prefers a complete stranger over his own son, he’s a shit dad, and then he punches Spitelout in the face. Because who among us hasn’t wanted to see Spitelout get punched in the face? Seeing this would give Snotlout the courage to stand up to his dad later in the movie. / Theme Two – With Love Comes Loss Oh boy. I get it; Dean was going for a classic ‘if you love them, let them go’ message and used this flashback scene to foreshadow/parallel it. But Stoick and Hiccup’s situations are completely different! 1) Stoick thought Valka was dead. It’s not like she decided to go and live with dragons, and he respected her decision to do so. They were separated by something outside of his control and he had to come to terms with that. 2) Stoick didn’t expect the other men on Berk to give up their wives because he’d lost his. Now then, who shall we give the ‘with love comes loss’ arc to? How about Valka and Gobber, who are also mourning Stoick. Perhaps they both unintentionally put pressure on Hiccup to be like his dad, trying to vicariously have Stoick with them through his son, if that makes sense. We could replace the flashback with a scene of them worried about Hiccup. One thing leads to another and they realise that they’ve been so focused on wanting Stoick back in some way that they haven’t just mourned and reminisced together. / Theme Three – Embracing Change “Look at you, embracing change. I’m proud of you” – says Astrid, to… I’m sorry, who? Hiccup? As in Hiccup ‘changed the whole of Berk’ Haddock? Hiccup ‘first Viking to ride a dragon’ Haddock? What the fuck? This line is stupid and makes no sense. Actually a lot of Astrid’s lines are stupid and make no sense, but I won’t get into that. The point is, Hiccup is the last person who needs to learn to ‘embrace change’. In fact, let’s just cut this theme entirely. There’s such a thing as having too many themes crammed into one story. / Theme Four – Stand/Fly on Your Own

Now for the theme that even the marketing played up. Hiccup thinks he’s nothing without Toothless, so he needs to let Toothless go. That’s the only way for him to stand on his own… or is it? Yes, in real life circumstances change, friends and even families drift apart, and people should be able to ‘stand on their own’ as independent individuals, absolutely – but we do this all the time without having to cut off ties to those we care about. There are hundreds of people in healthy, balanced relationships who still have friends beyond their significant other. ‘If you love them, let them go’ is a nice sentiment, but to me it applies better to unhealthy, imbalanced relationships i.e.: a parent who can’t deal with their child growing up, or an ex-lover struggling to accept that their partner has moved on.

As a real world example, if someone is dependent on another (often a romantic partner) for self-worth, the solution would not be to have them cut ties with their source of affirmation. It would be better to help them find self-worth within themselves, so they can ‘stand on their own’, without having to rely on another person’s approval or support…but that other person can still be there. So let’s address the Buffalord in the room; Hiccup’s apparent dependency on Toothless. For the sake of argument, we’ll assume he is too reliant on his best friend as a source of self-worth. The issue that needs addressing isn’t his reliance on Toothless, it’s his lack of self-worth without the dragons. Sending the dragons away didn’t need to be the ‘solution’ to this problem. He and Toothless had an equal, healthy partnership, shown through their matched missing limbs, similar personalities, and the way they treat each other.

HTTYD1 gives us a perfectly valid reason for why Hiccup would associate his self-worth with Toothless and the dragons. After all, if it weren’t for training Toothless, he would have stayed an outcast in his own tribe. People tell him “You’re nothing without your dragon”, but these people are usually the villains. As in the ones he has no good reason to listen to. If he believes them on some level, then that means neither he, Stoick, Gobber or Astrid ever addressed the issues that led to his lack of self-esteem and his need for an emotional crutch (which ends up being Astrid). That is the real problem, not his friendship with Toothless. If we want to give Hiccup an arc about ‘standing on his own’, let’s pick up where the second movie left off and have him still be torn between his duties as chief and what he actually wants to do with his life. At the end he understands that he doesn’t need Toothless or the dragons to define himself with, but he wants to keep studying and rescuing the dragons regardless. He chooses his own path rather than trying to follow in his father’s footsteps, thus culminating the arc of individualism/self worth that started in the first movie. I’ve also come up with a parallel negative arc for Grimmel that can tie into this ‘rewrite’, but that can be it’s own post, since this one is long enough as it is. So, how would you guys improve on the themes in THW?

#Thw criticism #httyd thw #thw rewrite

[smallfrogpleasedtomeetyou]

ok ok ok ok so i really wanna write my own version of thw cos i can so here is like the basic ideas i got

Grimmel doesn't exist, he is gone. So the riders are at the shipment we see at the start but the shipment contains 1. the Light fury and 2. the Deathgrippers. They are going around freeing the dragons when Toothless finds the Light fury and helps her out but then Hiccup shows up and is like omg and then the Light fury tries to attack him cos human bad but Toothless attacks her back (clearly not trying to kill her just like making sure she doesn't continue attacking) and she gets the message so everyone is taken back to Berk.

Berk is a bit overcrowded but they have branched out to neighboring islands where Hiccup has made sure that none of the local dragons will attack them. While there we see that everything is going good but the Light fury and death grippers are clearly stressed out and uncomfortable in these new surroundings, noticing this Hiccup tries to keep them a bit more separated from everyone so they have time to relax and get used to the new surroundings. Toothless has been spending a lot of time with them as well cos he can make sure they don't do stupid shit. As we continue on the deathgrippers get a bit comfier but the Light fury doesn't, she snarls at every human that comes near her and refuses to eat in the presence of a human.

Then she notices Toothless' tail, he shows it off a bit and does like the dragon version of telling her how he got it, she is appalled. That night multiple fires start havoc is reigning and it is led by the Light fury and the Deathgrippers. They are trying to kill all the humans and "liberate" the dragons, the dragons try to defend their humans but the Death grippers use small amounts of their poison to subdue them.

Big fight scene, Hiccup has the chance to kill her but he instead nurses her back to health and continues trying to help her but she just can't do this. By the end of the movie she is fine again but with quite a few battle scars and so she just flies off, they tried everything but she couldn't live with the very same creatures that she had been scared of for so long. Some of the Deathgrippers go with her but some choose to stay maybe a few other dragons choose to leave as well, its a lovely moment.

end of movie

pls send me asks or reblogs with your ideas or questions I really wanna talk about this more lol

#thoughts? #i just think this would have been more interesting #httyd #thw salt #thw rewrite

[klonoadoortophantomile]

style experimentation stuffffff

#big fan of when ppl stylize objects like this . its real good #not sure if ive entirely captured what im trying to go for yet but WHATEVER im having fun and dont hate how these have been turning out #ii clover #ii suitcase #bfdi book #inanimate insanity #bfdi #osc #scribbles #bright colors #eyestrain #id in alt text #(was originally gonna post this when i first drew these which was likeeee at the very start of the year i think #but i never got around to it. so uh all thw previous tags r kinda old #i dont feel like rewriting them. #anyways uhm. been wanting t o mess around with this kinda style for a while now #like as far back as 2019/2020 #never got around to like. commiting to stylizing characters that much though cuz uhm #idk i was lazy??

[toothbrushfingers]

does anyone what to hear about my httyd au where literally everything stays the same except neither grimmel or the hidden world actually exist and the plot is completely different than what we got?

aka my hidden world rewrite

please i want a reason to talk about it

#httyd #how to train your dragon #httyd thw #the hidden world #httyd 3 #grimmel #httyd au #httyd fandom #rewrite #night fury #toothless #hicctooth #hiccup haddock

[blue-flare-arts]

Oops, my hand slipped and I ended up getting an idea for another AU. I tried to keep the Light Fury’s design a little closer to the canon this time, but still with a few minor changes. She’s based on one of the concept drawings in the art book. Her build is more like a Night Fury’s, her ears aren’t short and round, her wings are sharp instead of having rounded edges. She still has smooth scales (in this AU her smooth scales are directly linked to her ability to cloak. This also means that Toothless does not share that same ability), but her scales are no longer sparkly. She’s also just solid white, with perhaps some hints of grey in some areas. No blue underbelly and no pink eyeshadow.

In this AU the Light Fury is actually Grimmel’s dragon rather than being wild. He killed her entire flock when she was a hatchling and was originally going to kill her too, but instead made the decision to raise her to help him kill the remaining Furies. Her job is to lure in Furies and lead them to Grimmel, where he ambushes them with his Deathgrippers and kills them.

Grimmel attempts to use her to lure in Toothless as well, but things don’t go as planned when she starts to develop a close attachment to the Night Fury.

#light fury #light fury redesign #how to train your dragon #httyd #httyd 3 #httyd thw #httyd 3 rewrite #httyd thw rewrite #my art

[agroupofcrows]

my take on last reblog is that the kihetai also don’t know that takasugi isn’t the protagonist of gintama so the fridge horror button doesn’t activate. meanwhile takasugi knows in a subconscious (and increasingly conscious) level that gintoki knows that takasugi isn’t the protagonist of gintama so most of their interactions are frozen in that horror movie moment when you realise that a normal looking and behaving character you’ve been interacting with for the past half hour of the movie is actually a ghost and/or impostor (same in this case,) and the ghost realises that you’ve realised and a very slow, very cruel smile starts appearing on its face. and that’s the moment takasugi is stuck in whenever he sees gintoki or katsura

#unrebloggable because i’ll rewrite it when im not on thw tube #i need to develop these thoughts when it’s not the middle of the day #because this is also related to how gintoki survived gintama BECAUSE he denied protagonist status until the very last moment #but he needed takasugi for that. the narrative needed to kill and takasugi did sacrifice himself instead of gintoki #and gintoki let him lol lmao #but it WAS a trick on the narrative. whivh also didn’t onow that takasugi is already dead in gintama. cool

[reallyprofoundkryptonite]

A scene out of my httyd rewrite:) yes Krogan has a night fury. Her name is Sigrùn

So. Anyways, this rewrite completely redoes most of season five and six of rtte and has to go through httyd 2 as well… it isn’t just a rewrite of thw, which is getting an overhaul COMPLETELY. it is not going to be anywhere near the same plot as the original. Without giving too many details, the entire rewrite is going to be split up into several parts, and is told completely from Krogan’s pov.

Sigrùn pops up later towards the end of season six for the first time though,

#httyd #krogan #httyd rtte #krogan rtte #krogan httyd #rtte #httyd fanart #httyd fandom #httyd au #httyd rewrite #httyd 3 #httyd 3 salt #httyd thw #httyd thw salt #httyd the rewrite #fanart #httyd the hidden world #httyd fanfiction #httyd franchise #night fury #night fury httyd #night fury fanart #night fury oc #sigrùn #angst #httyd art #httyd krogan #rtte krogan #rtte au

[rosiethedragongeek]

Hi again! Weird question, but if you could rewrite HTTYD: THW, what would you change?

Ohhh that's a really good question. This answer might get a little long, sorry about that <3

There was a lot that bugged me with this movie. To keep this a little simpler, I'm not going to include the characters from the shows because they seem to be trying to keep those separate so that people who only watch the movies don't feel lost, but you can imagine that all of the characters from the shows (particularly characters like Heather and Dagur would be featured prominently)

Things I would do differently;

Maybe mention something offhand to explain away the lack of support from the outcasts, berserkers, defenders of the wing and wing maidens in the event that they aren't included

Hiccup wouldn't have let the village get that overcrowded. Seeing as we see him relocating dragons to different islands all the time across the course of rob, dob, and rtte, I don't think that he would have let it get this bad.

Astrid and the rest of the gang would have more of an active role in the plot. Astrid was really reduced to being Hiccup's inspiration and very little more than that this movie which bothered me. In the last two movies, though admittedly trivial, Astrid and the other riders have had something to do in the plot. (Specifically in the 2nd movie, getting caught by Drago, turning Eret to their side etc.)

Maybe they're trying to take out some of the other leaders that are working alongside Grimmel to weaken him

Snotlout would be totally different. He would retain the maturity that he had gained through the course of rtte. They don't even have to cut him having a stupid romantic subplot in this movie just keep the Ruffnut thing going and scrap the Valka/Eret love triangle thing completely.

Ruffnut wouldn't be that stupid, she would have led Grimmel somewhere else, or have known Grimmel would have been following her and sent him on a wild goose chase or something. We see her being much smarter in rtte, and even without the rtte thing I refuse to believe that after everything they've been through she's still that dumb.

I wouldn't have reduced every character down to one joke. Fishlegs' character is about more than the stupid baby, Snotlout isn't obsessed with Valka, Tuff isn't obsessed with his beard and Hicstrid's relationship etc. We've seen these characters be funny in several situations in rtte. They have the chemistry to make funnier, more diverse jokes

Instead of making the conflict that Hiccup and the gang just straight up don't know how to work together (because we've seen in both the movies and the shows that by now, they absolutely know how to work together) I would make it them trying to balance their new positions in the tribe and how they were struggling to work together in the light of the fact that they are newly all at the head of the tribe, and this a new kind of responsibility

Maybe they're all overwhelmed enough that they aren't focused so much on working as a team but on convincing Hiccup that their ideas are the right way to tackle the Grimmel situation altogether, which causes more problems in the long run until they reach the end and start doing their jobs and working together like the well-oiled machine they are

I feel like that would make the 'you guys are the best i've got' line more impactful. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE that part, but that is heavily influenced by the fact that I actually like the characters and have seen them actually being friends and being competent in the shows. (and lets be honest, what movie only fans actually like the gang? The movies didn't make them feel like a group of friends or competent characters without the context of the show imo)

But seeing them competent and struggling to work together before finally coming together might make that line hit harder

Toothless would not be so willing to leave Hiccup (his best friend for SIX YEARS) for a female dragon he met six minutes ago

He would want to go to her, he might even go with her to the hidden world after Hiccup gives him the ability to fly on his own, but he would want to return.

the light fury would look cooler

Maybe Grimmel would follow Toothless to the Hidden World and start attacking it. Maybe he captures the light fury. Toothless, panicked comes back, and Hiccup and the gang have to take the fight to Grimmel at the Hidden World. Grimmel dies, but they realize that people will always find the dragons no matter what they do and that they're stronger together

For that to work ^^^ then maybe we have Hiccup beginning to think that they brought this on the dragons and maybe the right thing to do before the final fight at the Hidden World.

You know how we had a fake-out happy ending where it looked like maybe Toothless and the light fury would be able to stay before Grimmel comes? It's like that, but we think Hiccup might be preparing to say goodbye to Toothless

This is really scattered and messy, and I don't know how clear any of this is, but that's what came to mind. I really hope that answers your question! If anyone has anything to add or to say about my critiques I'd love to hear it.

Thank you so much for all of your asks, every time I get one it legitimately makes my day it's just so exciting. Thank you so much <3333

#ask #thank you <3 #how to train your dragon the hidden world #how to train your dragon thw #how to train your dragon 3 #httyd the hidden world #httyd thw #httyd 3 #how to train your dragon #httyd #httyd 3 salt #httyd thw salt #httyd salt #httyd 3 rewrite #hiccup #astrid #snotlout #fishlegs #ruffnut #tuffnut #toothless #hiccup & toothless #httyd gang #rtte gang #rosie's httyd brainrot

[violet-moonstone]

so i know that when people say night furies are the unholy offspring of lightning and death, theyre probably referring either to the force of nature/abstract concept or simply making a powerful metaphor - but it would be interesting to think about dragons as the offspring of gods, and in this case toothless would be the offspring of thor and hel

i think it would be cool if each dragon species had an associated god or godly pairing that they were fabled to originate from (if not literally then symbolically)

im also playing around with ideas of people who still hate dragons seeing them being as descendants of nidhogg and therefore being agents of chaos that must be eradicated. im also considering jormungand but idk if he's as strongly associated with chaos and i want to focus on the order vs chaos thing pretty strongly

thinking about drawing links for fafnir too? idk

need to brush up on my norse mythology

but i was already thinking about how to include religion in my thw rewrite and it would be fun to compare how the protagonists use their religious rites for celebration and to inspire hope while the antagonists use it to justify conquest of people and dragons

#httyd #how to train your dragon #httyd headcanon #httyd headcanonn #thw rewrite #httyd 3 rewrite

[loserdiaz]

complex — evan buckley's version

#i saw the tik tok trend with all thw rewrites and this came to mind??? #i know it sucks but i kinda wanted to post it anyway #evan buckley #evan buck buckely #eddie diaz #buck x eddie #buddie #911onabc #911 on fox #tv: 911 #april writes #my writing #poetry #is this even considered poetry??? #maybe bad poetry idk #april.txt

[10blue10]

Hiccup Vs Grimmel - Parallel Arcs

As mentioned in the previous post, I came up with parallel arcs for Hiccup and Grimmel, since they’re supposed to be foils. Each is split into three parts.

Part One 

We already know how the first movie goes, of course. Grimmel also tries to fit in with his peers by killing dragons, but unlike Hiccup he uses poisons and other ‘sneaky’ methods rather than building inventions. Both face a Test of Character, namely the choice between killing or sparing a Night Fury. Hiccup passes this Test, and Grimmel fails it, yet both of them gain external approval. 

Part Two 

Hiccup wants to explore, but Grimmel wanted to be famous. To be known as the greatest dragon hunter ever. Unlike Hiccup, who fails to listen about Drago and faces dire consequences, Grimmel took the advice of his mentors and set his sights on being an expert hunter of rare dragons, especially Night Furies. 

Part Three 

In our improved THW, Hiccup’s internal conflict (duty vs desire) from the 2nd movie has not yet been resolved. Grimmel, meanwhile, wants to get rid of Toothless to cement his reputation as the worlds greatest hunter. He uses the LF (or a female NF, if you prefer) to lure Toothless away from Berk and Hiccup. 

He captures and poisons Toothless, and is nearly killed by Hiccup in turn. At the last minute, Hiccup chooses to comfort his dying dragon rather than get revenge. Whilst grieving his best friend, he doesn’t notice Grimmel about to kill him… only for Toothless to leap up and kill the Night Fury hunter to defend him. 

It turns out that the LF/NF persuaded Toothless to try a fungi (from the HW perhaps) that’s basically the dragon equivalent of activated charcoal. It had entered his bloodstream and bonded to the toxins in Grimmels’ poison, making him immune. Still, the scare of thinking his best friend had died pushes Hiccup to the revelation in the previous post, and he leaves Berk in Astrid’s hands. 

Essentially, the idea is that whilst they both start off craving external validation, Hiccup learns to have internal validation whereas Grimmel doesn’t. 

#thw rewrite #grimmel #hiccup

[biggiedraws]

made myself sad about yoohankim again...... i need to sleep but. they are so important to me.......

#the problem with orv is that ive only read thw full story once. so im not nearly as articulate about it as i should be #bc it takes me at least 2 full readings to properly grasp a story #ESPECIALLY one like orv. it might take 3 readings. but its so long....... #like theres SO MUCH. everyone talks about 1863 and the epilogues but like #kaizenix??? or the scene where kdj reintroduces himself to yjh??? #hsy always being the one kdj trusts with his suicidal plans and him being oblivious to how much it hurts her #bc he doesnt believe that anyone would ever object to him killing himself #SCREAMING AND CRYING #they rewrite the building blocks of the universe for each other. they willfully spend eternity alone and suffering for each other #their shared love for the story theyve made together is so mundane but it is also the entire universe. augh #this story makes me so ill i need to lie down #orv

[rowanthefierce]

Wow! Just cracked into the 1k club. Absolutely delighted with the number of positive comments, kudos, bookmarks, etc. in response to this fic. 😊 I'd been meaning to write this for several months but kept telling myself not to bother because no one would care, or the fandom had moved on, or whatever. But then I realized it didn't matter--I wanted to give Hiccup and Toothless a good, happy ending, and at the end of the day, that's all the justification I needed to start drafting. You want to see this story in the world? Well, you can make it happen. Here we are. (I will hopefully be posting chapter previews with artwork once everything gets squared away. Very excited for that.) Link to fic in case this somehow gets notes and people want to check it out.

Summary:

One year after Hiccup has become Chief of Berk, he finds himself confronted by both the past and the future. Even as his practice of dragon taming spreads throughout the Barbaric Archipelago, old enemies have returned from across the sea to stand in the way. Back at home, Hiccup and Toothless grapple with their destinies as leaders and the singular question: how far will they go to see peace in their lives?

#httyd #httyd fanfiction #my writing #httyd thw rewrite #httyd 3 rewrite #(not sure which tag for that I like better)

[beeapocalypse]

thinking abt webber and wortox again. best friends forever

#have restructured the plot of the incredibly incredibly long ds fic i am never going to write that is abt how all thw survivors-- #--come together and the little groups they had formed Before that. think webber first sees wortox swiping berries from-- #--a pig village and is like omg. you are the coolest guy ever youre fuzzy and have horns and you can TELEPORT? we NEED-- #--to hang out and wortox is like um. i do not think i should be in charge of taking care of a kid. but instead-- #--of actually saying that hes like oh no you cannot travel with a terrible imp like me!! you need the best of care the--- #--greatest of guardians a true protector !!! and tells webber hes going to find them a-- #--spider queen to take them in so theyll be at home and thats how the two start travelling together in-- #--search of said spider queen and over time wortox gets torn between thinking webber deserves a better guardian than himself and-- #--the growing attachment+love hes got for the kid. eventually they run into the wickerbottom+wx duo and-- #--wortox hands webber off to them and disappears for a suitably dramatic time b4 realizing just dropping off the-- #--face of the earth after looking after webber for so long was a shitty thing to do so he becomes a sort of distant member of the group-- #--and comes around to hang out. that hesitation lessens over tintine #* time not tinetine or whatever. i hate this tag bug but i do not want to rewrite that #just think there is very little done w the sort of self deprecating aspect of wortoxs character. hes Aware of his impish behavior and-- #--while he is proud of aspects of it (telling volt goats his horns are more impressive ! cute) he also makes a lot of weird little jokes-- #--like the shovel quote or comparing frazzled wires to his own mind. its interesting and underexplored