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sadstonershawty · 3 years

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believed him, which i do not lol). (2) if he was just looking for a girl for us to do that to why did he go thru like 5-10 pages of tryna log into his snapchat. looking DESPERATE to get that snap login on his new phone......for what hmm🤔 . like bitch i was single for a very long time i know how it is being drunk and stupid and tryna find someone to get attention from. lucky for his ass he aint get in otherwise i’m sure there’d be a lot of other damning shit he COULDNT play off.

it does make me wonder tho, does he really believe his lie himself too? bc how , to be fair, convincingly he said his argument it makes me think he would have to believe it to some extent to preach it that hard? maybe it’s even possible he knew it was a lie at first but after saying it to me so many times he started to believe that was the truth himself. bc he fucked up. for someone that really likes to bring up the times i’ve fucked up “w other guys”, i’m sorry but this doesn’t touch the shit i’ve done. that’s why i’m nit even sure how i would bring it up. bc he could not telll me or make me believe that’s the truth. like no lol. and i’m not abt to argue what i know is the reality if someone else is potentially hell bent on believing they didn’t fuck up any deeper than their ego will allow them to admit. bc i’m gonna lose it lol. it’s not fair and i think i’m scared bc if he really tried to tell me that lie again i’d prolly jus have to break up w him bc i cannot accept that. he had me for a second but even when he had me a little bit i knew deep down it wasn’t the truth.

so that part was actually pretty easy to type. bc it was coming from anger sort of which is much easier to express. it makes me sad bc w all of that said i just don’t think i can continue.

i forgot this point too which is rlly the saddest of them all....but if i really just pay attention to his actions and the shit he says very frequently..as opposed to the things he says that make me really happy that he may or may not say sometimes. the quick sweet things that are easy to say. like “our kids this our kids that” , “our wedding this our wedding that” ***”you’re the best thing to happen to me”***. which i’m bot trying to diminish that shit. i love it. it makes me so fucjing happy it really does. the other night he sent me i think it’s called get you by daniel cesar and said that song reminds him of me and he wants us to dance to it at our wedding. like fuck dude. i love thinking abt that. but he doesn’t act like that shit is true. he reallt has been the only one out whole relationship to say anything serious or concrete in any way abt us breaking up. it’s just if u have nightmares abt losing me and shit fucking act like it. that’s why it hurts bc that p much means he’s just not capable of it atm. i believed for a second that maybe he was lying but i actually do think he’d telling the truth when he says that shit. bc of how he says it and the way he looks at me when he says it. and that might kind of hurt worse ultimately that it all being a lie. bc i wish shit was different. it’s so so so easy to say out of anger “i’ll break up w him idgaf” out of anger but actually thinking ina. real way abt it. it’s like i can’t even explain that feeling. it takes my breath away. thinking abt losing my best friend. like really my best friend. someone i can joke w in a way that i can’t or don’t w anyone else. someone who makes me laugh like no one else. it tears me apart. thinking abt our dinner and movie nights. and the way he touches me. it hurts so bad it hurts so fucjing bad . i’m not stupid i know how big this world is. i know. i know there are other people. people that are realistically even better for me a better match. and that’s whG hurts bc it’s like i want THIS one though. i want him so bad . i want things to change or be different or something i’m just at my wits end. i really am. i’m unhappy. i wish i could be happy w him. but i’ve tried and i don’t think he’s happy either. it hurts so bad. it hurts so so bad. i don’t even have words. it’s hard to feel like i’ll ever wanna love again. like rn i want to never ever have to feel this again like the hurt doesn’t feel worth the good shit. not even a kaleb but in general. i’ve never been in this situation i think subconsciously maybe i did think it was as easy as finding someone u love or could love. but it’s not. it’s infinitely deeper. bc i love kaleb. i am IN LOVE w him. but this isn’t working. it’d be so easy if i didn’t love him. but i do. it’s like i look at him sometimes and my heart fucking explodes. i’ve never loved anyone like this or even close to this much. i need help. i feel so weak and defeated. fuck.

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favorite quotes from “aristotle and dante discover the secrets of the universe”

hello! this is a list of all my favorite quotes from “aristotle and dante discover the secrets of the universe” by Benjamin Alire Sáenz. be warned, there are a lot of them. enjoy these beautiful words!

“Maybe Richie Valens died young – but he did something. I mean, he really did something. Me? What have I done?” (p.7)

“So I was the son of a man who had Vietnam living inside him. Yeah, I had all kinds of tragic reasons for feeling sorry for myself. Being fifteen didn’t help. Sometimes I thought that being fifteen was the worst tragedy of all” (p.14)

“I had a feeling there was something wrong with me. I guess I was a mystery even to myself. That sucked. I had serious problems.” (p.16)

“Dante became one more mystery in a universe full of mysteries.” (p.19)

“When I finished reading it, I told him I hated it. “Except,” I said, “it’s true. The world is a dark place. Conrad’s right about that.” “Maybe your world, Ari, but not mine.” (p.21)

“I was mostly invisible. I think I liked it that way. And then Dante came along.” (p.23)

“I got to thinking that poems were like people. Some people you got right off the bat. Some people you just didn’t get – and never would get” (p.29)

“I noticed his smile was a little sad. Maybe everyone was a little sad. Maybe so.” (p.35)

“Something happened inside me as I looked out into the vast universe. Through that telescope, the world was closer and larger than I’d ever imagined. And it was all so beautiful and overwhelming and – I don’t know – it made me aware that there was something inside of me that mattered. As Dante was watching me search the sky through the lens of a telescope, he whispered, “Someday, I’m going to discover all the universe.” That made me smile. “What are you going to do with all these secrets, Dante?” “I’ll know what to do with them,” he said. “Maybe change the world.” I believed him.” (p.43)

“I wanted to tell him not to cry anymore, tell him that what those bots did to that bird didn’t matter. But I knew it did matter. It mattered to Dante. And anyways, it didn’t do any good to tell him not to cry because he needed to cry. That’s the way he was.” (p.54)

“I wondered what it was like, to be the kind of guy that cried over the death of a bird.” (p.55)

“I thought of Dante and wondered about him. And it seemed to me that Dante’s face was a map of the world. A world without any darkness. Wow, a world without darkness. How beautiful was that?” (p.56)

“The world was so silent. There was a barrier between me and the world, and I though for a moment that the world had never wanted me and now it was taking the opportunity to get rid of me.” (p.60)

“And I wondered what my dad looked like when he was my age. My mother had told me he was beautiful. I wonder if he’d been as beautiful as Dante. And I wondered why I thought that.” (p.63)

“I don’t think you know how loved you are.” (p.70)

“When I was a boy, I used to wake up thinking that the world was ending. I’d get up and look in the minor and my eyes were sad.” “You mean like mine.” “Yeah.” “My eyes are always sad.” “The world isn’t ending, Ari.” (p.73)

“I wondered how that felt, to really like yourself. And I wondered why some people didn’t like themselves and others did. Maybe that’s just the way it was.” (p.75)

“I thought of my chair and how really it was a portrait of me. I was a chair. I felt sadder than I’d ever felt.” (p.81)

“So I renamed myself Ari. If I switched the letter, my name was Air. I thought it might be a great thing to be air. I could be something and nothing at the same time. I could be necessary and also invisible. Everyone would need me and no one would be able to see me.” (p.84)

“I mean, when do we start feeling like the world belongs to us?” I wanted to tell him that the world would never belong to us. “I don’t know,” I said. “Tomorrow.” (p.88)

“But Ari, I don’t always have to understand the people I love.” (p.91)

“Dante is the first friend I’ve ever had. That scares me. I think that if Dante really knew me, he wouldn’t like me.” (p.98)

“The problem is not that I don’t love my mother and father. The problem is that I don’t know how to love them.” (p.98)

“You like poetry, Ari?” “Yeah. I guess I do.” “Maybe you’ll be a writer,” she said. “A poet.” It sounded like such a beautiful thing when she said it. Too beautiful for me.” (p.100)

“I was suddenly sad. No, not exactly sad. I felt like someone had punched me.” (p.106)

“I’m the guy who’s afraid of his own dreams, Dad. Remember?” (p.112)

“I don’t know why, but there was rain in my dreams. Dante and I were barefoot. The rain wouldn’t stop. And I was afraid.” (p.117)

“I wonder what that was like, to hold someone’s hand. I bet you could sometimes find all of the mysteries of the universe in someone’s hand.” (p.140)

“Tears were falling down his face. I should have expected that. I wanted to yell at him. I wanted to tell him that it was me who should be crying. Dante had this look on his face. He looked like an angel. And all I wanted to do was put my fist through his jaw. I couldn’t stand my own cruelty.” (p.144)

“They didn’t do anything wrong. They were just trying to help me. But I hated them. And I hated Dante too. And I hated myself for hating them. So there it was, my own vicious cycle. My own private universe of hate. I thought it would never get better. I thought my life would never get better.” (p.147)

“I love swimming.” “I know,” I said. “I love swimming,” he said again. He was quiet for a little while. And then he said, “I love swimming – and you.” I didn’t say anything. “Swimming and you, Ari. Those are the things I love the most.” “Your shouldn’t say that,” I said.” (p.151)

“I felt like I was the saddest boy in the universe. Summer had come and gone. Summer had come and gone. And the world was ending.” (p.154)

“Her eyes were like the night sky in the desert. It felt like there was a whole world living inside her. I didn’t know anything about the world.” (p.166)

“The truth is, Ari, I muss El Paso. When we first moved there, I hated it. But now I think about El Paso all the time. And I think of you.” (p.174)

“For a few minutes I wished Dante and I lived in the universe of boys instead of a universe of almost-men.” (p.213)

“The thing is I love my dad. My mom to. And I keep wondering what they’re going to say when I tell them that someday I want to marry a boy.” (p.227)

“I remember staring at myself in the mirror. I remember whispering, “You are a beautiful boy.” I didn’t believe it – but I wanted to.” (p.230)

“Maybe moms and dads forgot about this one small fact: being on the verge of seventeen could be harsh and painful and confusing. Being on the verge of seventeen could really suck.” (p.239)

“They were all over me, hugging me and saying nice things, and I wanted to cry. Because their affection was so real and somehow, I felt like I didn’t deserve it or felt maybe that they were hugging the guy who had saved their son’s life. I wanted them to hug me just because I was Ari and I would never be just Ari to them. But I had learned how to hide what I felt. No, that’s not true. There was no learning involved. I had been born knowing how to hide what I felt.” (p.242)

“But love was always something heavy for me. Something I had to carry.” (p.224)

“Bullshit, Ari. You have the harder rule to follow? Buffalo shit. Coyote shit. All you have to do is be loyal to the most brilliant guy you’ve every met – which is like walking barefoot through the park. I, on the other hand, have to refrain from kissing the greatest guy in the universe – which is lie walking barefoot on hot coals.” (p.249)

“Don’t cry, okay?” “Okay,” he said. “You’re crying.” “I’m not.” “Okay.” “Okay.” (p.256)

“Another secret of the universe: Sometimes pain was like a storm that came out of nowhere. The clearest summer morning could end in a downpour. Could end in lightning and thunder.” (p.261)

“I remember what my aunt had told me once. “The body is a beautiful thing.” No adult had ever said that to me. And I wondered if I would ever feel like my own body was beautiful. My Aunt Ophelia had solved a few of the many mysteries of the universe. I felt as though I hadn’t solved any at all. I hadn’t even solved the mystery of my own body.” (p.263)

“I don’t get you.” “I don’t get me either.” (p.267)

“Do real Mexicans like to kiss boys?” (p.273)

“You could smell the rain in the desert even before a drop fell. I closed my eyes. I held my hand out and felt the first drop. It was like a kiss. The sky was kissing me. It was a nice thought. It was something Dante would have thought. I felt another drop and then another. A kiss. A kiss. And then another kiss. I thought about the dreams I’d been having – all of them about kissing. But I never knew who I was kissing. I couldn’t see. And then, just like that, we were in the middle of a downpour.” (p.293)

“Did all boys feel alone? The summer sun was not meant for boys like me. Boys like me belonged to the rain.” (p.294)

“Dante who loved kissing dogs, who loved kissing his parents, who loved kissing boys, who even loved kissing girls. Maybe kissing was part of the human condition. Maybe I wasn’t human.” (p.298)

“But there was something swimming around inside me that always made me feel bad.” (p.299)

“I wondered if all boys had that darkness inside them. Yes. Maybe even Dante.” (p.299)

“There are worse things in the world than a boy who likes to kiss other boys.” (p.307)

“I wanted to tell them that I’d never had a friend, not ever, not a real one. Until Dante. I wanted to tell them that I never knew that people like Dante existed in the world, people who looked at the stars, and knew the mysteries of water, and knew enough to know that birds belonged to the heavens and weren’t meant to be shot down from their graceful flights by mean and stupid boys.” (p.308)

“I wanted to tell them that he had changed my life and that I would never be the same, not ever. And that somehow it felt like it was Dante who had saved my life and not the other way around.” (p.308)

“Maybe that’s the way it worked. High school was just a prologue to the real novel. Everybody got to write you – but when you graduated, you got to write yourself. At graduation you got to collect your teacher’s pens and your parent’s pens and you got your own pen. And you could do all the writing. Yeah. Wouldn’t that be sweet?” (p.335)

“What do you love, Ari? What do you really love?” “I love the desert. God, I love the desert.” “It’s so lonely.” “Is it?” Dante didn’t understand. I was unknowable.” (p.337)

“I thought of what Gina always said about me. “Melancholy Boy.” (p.343)

“Because I can’t stand watching all the loneliness that lives inside you. Because I love you, Ari.” (p.349)

“You said I wasn’t scared of anything. That’s not true. You. That’s what I’m afraid of. I’m afraid of you, Dante.” (p.358)

“This was what was wrong with me. All this time I had been trying to figure out the secrets of the universe, the secrets of my own body, of my own heart. All of the answers had always been so close and yet I had always fought them without even knowing it.” (p.358)

“As Dante and I lay on our backs in the bed of my pickup and gazed out at the summer starts, I was free. Imagine that. Aristotle Mendoza, a free man.” (p.359)

“How could I have ever been ashamed of loving Dante Quintana?” (p.359)

welp, there it is! there’s a lot, i know. but i love this book so much and just wanted to have a list of all my favorite lines.

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Bones

Top 5 favourite characters: Angela, Brennan, Cam, Hodgins, Caroline

Other characters you like: Clark, Daisy, Aubrey, Jessica, Sully, Karen... literally everyone Least favourite characters: don’t really have Otps: B&B, Hedgela, Camastoo, Brengela Notps: Bones x series finale, but unfortunately it went canon Favourite friendships: Booth x Cam, Hodgins x Zack, Angela x Sweets, I could go on forever! Favourite family: Booth family and Jeffersonian Squad Favourite episodes: *takes deep breath* The Movie in the Making, The Doctor in the Photo, Signs in the Silence, Aliens in a Spaceship, Parts in the Sum of the Whole, The End in the End, A Day in the Life, Two Bodies in the Lab, The 200th in the 10th, The Mystery in the Meat, The Blackout in the Blizzard, Double Death of the Dearly Departed, TheLoyalty in the Lie, The Hole in the Heat, The Man in the Cell, The Pain in the Heart, The Murder in the Middle East, The Recluse in the Recliner, Nightmare in the Nightmare, The Pathos in the Pathogens, The Man in the Fallout Shelter, The Shallow in the Deep Favourite season/book/movie: 2, 5, 6, 9 & 11 Favourite quotes: Best musical moment: Too many! Always love the music on this show. First “Hot Blooded”, “Light on a Hill” when Brennan & Hodgins are pulled out of the sand, Hodgela running out of their wedding to “Give me all your lovin’“, montage of everyone boxing up their office in the series finale, B&B slow dancing to “Kiss from a Rose”, Everyone cooing over Hodgela & B&B babies to “Make you feel my love” & “How Bad We Need Each Other”

Moment that made you fangirl/boy the hardest: B&B getting together, “I’m pregnant, you’re the father” and wedding vows. All the births and weddings because I’m a sap. When it really disappointed you: Very rarely. Forever bitter about the lack of Michael Vincent. I was originally bummed we didn’t get “the scene” of B&B getting together, but couldn’t care less at all by S7. Saddest moment: Sweet’s death. Most well done character death: I guess Vincent Nigel-Murray? Favourite guest star: Cyndi Lauper, Betty White, so adorable seeing David and Emily’s family make small appearances also! Favourite cast member: Emily Deschanel Character you wish was still alive: Max! One thing you hope really happens: I got pretty much everything I wanted out of this show! Most shocking twist: When it looked like Zack might be the Puppet Master (even though I guessed where they were going weeks before), that that’s how they’d bring him back anyway. When did you start watching/reading?: Late S5/early S6 Best animal/creature: we didn’t have any! I wish someone had gotten a dog or something. Favourite location: Mighty Hut Trope you wish they would stop using: they inverted or did opposite of a lot of tropes for the most part (not going with the cheating bisexual/cheating storylines in general, Strong Independent Black Woman, token characters etc ). I used to get annoyed with the “let’s have brennan behave childishly so we can teach her a lesson” formula at times. One thing this show/book/film does better than others: Funniest moments: double death of the dearly departed in general, angela being hit with the flying frozen turkey, cam being a victim of hodgins’ experiements and constantly walking in on hodgela, brennan’s bachelorette party, hodgins’ “giving birth” to a bot fly Couple you would like to see: I’m good Actor/Actress you want to join the cast: it’s kinda over so. Favourite outfit: Anything Angela wears tbh. Favourite item: Jasper, Cat salt and pepper shakers Do you own anything related to this show/book/film?: The DVD’s. The two companion books that were made (I wish they’d done them for S6 and on as well!), a Bones and an Emily & David buttons, that’s about it. This show has zero merch! What house/team/group/friendship group/family/race etc would you be in?: Most boring plotline: The Ghost Killer arc maybe. The show rarely bored me outside of a few slow episodes here and there. Most laughably bad moment: The dream Brennan had about all the Pelant’s and the falling Bones in S9 omg Best flashback/flashfoward if any: Parts in the Sum of the whole. Also in love with the way A Day in the Life was shot with all the different POV’s!! Most layered character: Brennan I think. Most one dimensional character: I don’t think he’s one dimensional, but Booth is probably the only character with the least noticeable development. Scariest moment: Right before the Jeffersonian blows up was really intense. Grossest moment: The gooey type bodies Best looking male: Arastoo, Booth, Hodgins Best looking female: Brennan, Angela and Cam, there’s no choosing okay Who you’re crushing on (if any): Finn probably, when he was around. And Angela is my babe. Favourite cast moment: Paleyfest panels, all the gag reels, the retrospective interview Favourite transportation: Hodgin’s toy car lol Most beautiful scene (scenery/shot wise): Lots of shots from the Pilot. Whenever David directs there’s some amazing shots. Unanswered question/continuity issue/plot error that bugs you: The fact that Michael Vincent never got to speak one word (they really couldn’t delete a few minutes of something and thrown in a few Hodgela family scenes?) Angela’s mom never being even mentioned once in passing. What happened to Finn? The Pelant story was a bit all over the place motive wise, but I still really enjoy the individual episodes of the arc. Didn’t get the puppet master’s random obsession with Brennan or a few other things. Best promo: Dead Man’s Party! At what point did you fall in love with this show/book: Mid S6

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shineyma · 7 years

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Amy’s note: I’ve chosen to respond to your comments in-text; my commentary is in bold. It’s just easier to keep track of that way. Plus I added a read more for obvious reasons! ;D

Alright. I’m going to start with your post regarding Daisy’s “you and Fitz belong together” to Jemma.

I honestly can’t even consider it a thing Daisy canonically told Jemma because her overall characterization is far too good for this sort of thing. I don’t think this is something S4 Daisy would tell Jemma. It’s just a joke, another instance of bad and inconsistent writing, right up there with Jemma’s “I can’t think without Fitz.” Three and a half seasons of Jemma finding herself in much direr, more desperate and far more apocalyptic situations – where she’s had her short break-downs/freak-outs to relieve some of the tension, then went right back to work using her genius brain to provide solutions – all of that cast aside so the writers can cater to their obsession with FS. Jemma’s break-down here wasn’t consistent with her previous characterization, and to try and pin it on the trauma of what had just happened with the Fitz-bot would be a form of retconning. *sigh*

I both agree and disagree, nonnie! I liked that Jemma had a mini-breakdown, because she has been through a lot over the last few years and that piles up. Plus, as dire as things have been for her...killing one’s own boyfriend (regardless of the fact that it’s a robot version) is pretty traumatic. So I don’t think we can really dismiss this situation as “she’s been through worse”, especially considering that it’s not just that she killed LMD Fitz, but also he attacked her. That’s gonna (or should, if not for the writers’ dislike of consequences in fs-land) leave some scars.

So I liked that she had a momentary breakdown and had trouble thinking and gave up hope. Hope hurts, Jemma knows that more than anyone, and while she’s chosen before to hold on to it and find it in bad places, well...things are looking really bad there.

That said, I would’ve liked it better if she’d just stuck to “I can’t think” and left Fitz out of it. If it’d been a breakdown about her and not a breakdown about fs, it would’ve been much better. And less jarring.

And this thing where we find two women amidst a crisis having an exchanging and most of it focusing on the one’s male love interest – all the while these women have so many traumatic and otherwise experiences in common that they could talk about – is The Flash’s Iris and Caitlin all over again. But it’s even more inexcusable and unforgivable here because it’s out of character for both Daisy and Jemma in this situation and they have they kind of long and rich and complex history together and Caitlin and Iris don’t. And on this note, nyxelestia reblogged your post and made a truly excellent and well-though addition about AOS and the treatment of Daisy/Jemma. (Oh, I’m getting angry.)

Actually, I think the saddest part is that the exchange didn’t mostly focus on Fitz. They made a plan and Jemma referenced Daisy’s need to atone and said she couldn’t lose her and they argued about what to do and so on and so forth, and then Daisy dropped that destiny crap in out of nowhere and that’s what we’re remembering. Without it, it was a really great scene. Minus the aforementioned “I can’t think without Fitz” stuff.

Anyway. Re: Brett and Ward’s return, Jed Whedon said that they wanted to bring Brett and Ward back without negating what they’ve already done with the character, and that sounds to me a lot like Brett/Ward is only going to be a temporary Framework thing – but hey, of course dream on! (Not going to lie here; this is me crushing your Ward hopes in a sort of, kind of, maybe revenge for making me do all those calculations and consider the dates and get my hopes crushed that November 8 isn’t related to F.Z.Z.T and FS. Although I’m honestly grounding my own excitement too because I also want Brett and Ward back so badly.) By the way, “I have MISSED HIS FACE and I want him to stay FOREVER” is precisely what I’m feeling about Brett and Ward’s absence. You’ve put it into words!

XD I admit that I am deserving of having my hopes crushed. But I will live in hope anyway because I like this show better when Brett’s on it. (Not to say I haven’t been enjoying s4 thus far!! I’ve actually really loved it! I just would’ve loved it even more with added Brett.)

About Framework!fic: it should definitely be the new rock!fic. That was my own immediate thought once the episode ended. The two cliffhangers are so much similar in nature, in all the possibilities they open up, that it only makes sense. So get on that! You only have, like, a month or so (…she says as if she wouldn’t read a Framework!fic a whole decade from now). Daaaazzle me as you always do! (Side note: this is just an expression of my pure and unbridled excitement over Framework!fic. No one is in no way ever to feel rushed or pressured to write anything.) Also, please never stop being a #terrible and predictable raccoon. Your #terrible and predictable raccoon…iness gives me life. This is the kind of #terrible-and-predictable-raccoon-produced content I signed up for. :3

<3 <3 <3 Thanks, nonnie!! That’s so lovely to hear! :D

And finally, onto the Framework theories!

I was personally never worried that Jemma would die because she appears to be dead in the Framework, and for a number of reasons. Firstly, there’s Elizabeth’s status as a core cast member and one half of FS. I think that if she were to be killed off, we’d strongly suspect it slash feel it coming, like with Brett. And we know how much the writers love FS. One of them dying is, I think, pretty much the only kind of drama they would not create with those two. Then there’s Jemma’s “but dying in there will definitely kill you” to Daisy. Maybe it was just me but the minute we saw Jemma’s grave in the Framework and we were thus “told” that Jemma is dead in the reality of the Framework, my brain immediately went down the path that said Jemma was dead in the Framework before her consciousness was uploaded to it, and that what she’d told Daisy about dying in the Framework resulting in death in the actual reality, only pertained to people who were uploaded in the Framework, no the made-up replicas that existed in it (e.g. Mack’s daughter, Coulson’s students, perhaps Ward etc.). So unless a time jump happened (highly unlikely considering how the Framework sequence was presented) where Jemma’s uploaded consciousness died inside the Framework, the supposedly dead Jemma is merely her replica.

See, I guess everyone else saw it coming, but Ward’s death came out of nowhere for me---and while I knew they’d kill off Hive (because aos has something against multi-season arcs, even when it means wasting amazing villains), I honestly thought they’d find some way of keeping Brett around. Maybe it was denial, I don’t know; point is, Brett being gone for good came TOTALLY out of left field for me. It left scars. So I was absolutely worried that they’d do the same with Liz. XD

Plus, I sadly don’t share your assurance that they wouldn’t kill one of fs for drama. They have a clear preference for Fitz and imagine how many episodes of him blaming himself and missing her and angsting and angsting and angsting they could squeeze out of Jemma’s death? Oh, not to mention everyone else’s lives revolving around him while never addressing that they might mourn Jemma in her own right. The writers love that stuff.

Now, re: a potential resurrection if she’s truly dead and buried there, I honestly can’t tell if the writers would go as far as to pull a Buffy or Dean with Jemma. Buffy is Joss Whedon’s show. And I think her middle name’s Anne, like Jemma’s? And her first name is Elizabeth? Also, Dean is named after his grandmother, Deanna. And he hooked up with that angle turned human turned angel again, Anna Milton, a few episodes into S4 i.e. his resurrection season, and all that about the first thing Anna heard on the “angel radio” was “Dean Winchester is saved.” (Maaaan, it’s truly dark down here in this hole. How do rabbits see? Do they have night vision? :3)

Re: the November 8 and deliberately hidden year of Jemma’s date of death, JD’s red herring theory is likely and it gives me hope and I love it. Again, I wouldn’t put it past the writers to have made the calculations necessary to connect it to F.Z.Z.T. and make it another FS-related thing instead of Let. Jemma. Have. Her. Own. Non. Fitz-related. Storyline. But there are other things to consider here before we talk about old episodes and how the date might connect to them.

First of all, we have no idea if Jemma really is dead. (Side note: we’re always talking about the Framework replica of Jemma. We’re assuming the gravestone is there at least a whole moment before our Jemma is successfully uploaded or whatever else on Earth happens.) Jemma could have faked her death for one reason or another. Or some people have theorized that the gravestone is actually the rendezvous point for Daisy and Jemma i.e. the backdoor that Jemma programmed in the Framework so she and Daisy can get out of there once their mission is complete.

Ooooooooooo, I hadn’t heard the theory that the gravestone was the backdoor! I like that one. Faking one’s death is always a classic, so I’ve loved that one since I heard it, too. (Spoiler alert: I actually have a little gifset re: that possibility scheduled for tomorrow.)

Another theory I read is that Framework Jemma is indeed dead, and that the real Jemma will simply not be uploaded and wake up to coordinate the rescue of the others with Elena from wherever Radcliffe and Aida are keeping them. I find this one highly unlikely if I’ve being honest – not dramatic enough, especially considering all the other far more spectacularly dramatic possibilities.

But in the end, before we can really work on any of the individual characters inside the Framework, we have to figure out the overall reality of the Framework. Coulson being a teacher and teaching children to fear Inhumans, May ascending in the elevator at a Triskelion with the HYDRA logo plastered on its side, Fitz as a – theorized – Tony-Stark-esque version of himself… None of that means anything unless we know the details – indeed, the World History of Framework!Earth. Is HYDRA the same evil organization that they are in reality? Certainly, the logo remains the same stupid, menacing, evil-looking octopus. But that could be for the viewers’ benefit or some other practical reason. And then, building on that, did S.H.I.E.L.D. fall? When did it fall? When did the uprising happen? Did S.H.I.E.L.D. ever exist at all? Did Captain America? Were there any World Wars at all? Is it a Nazi dystopia? The Inhumans clearly happened. But how did they happen? And is Daisy even one of them in the Framework? And so on and so forth.

My own personal theory for why May’s HYDRA: she saved that little girl in Bahrain, which we saw. So say the little girl then used her power to get May under her control....and then Hive came back and swayed the little girl, thereby getting indirect control of May. Now Hive is ruling HYDRA, Coulson fears Inhumans because they’re all swayed and doing Hive’s dirty work, and so on.

(I will freely admit that 50-60% of this theory is just grounded in me wanting Hive back. Getting Ward is amazing enough, but I’m greedy.)

Anyway, really there are way too many possibilities. We can’t even begin to guess what happened and what didn’t.

Except kind of we can, because the idea was each person plugged into the framework had a single regret changed. So anything that happened before the oldest of them (Coulson or May?) was born in the real world probably happened there too. There would need to be some kind of consistency between the worlds, otherwise the circumstances that created their regrets might never have happened, thereby denying Aida the chance to fix them, right?

So probably the World Wars happened, probably Cap existed, probably HYDRA was evil. Whether Cap’s still around, HYDRA’s still evil, etc....that’s harder to say.

Assuming we answer the above, we can work on individuals. “We are being called in,” as seen on Daisy’s phone, is a pretty good indicator of what she and Ward might be doing for a living. Could be misdirection. If it’s not, do they work for HYDRA? And again, if we don’t know what kind of organization HYDRA is and what the form of government is in general, we can’t speculate on May and her working at HYDRA – maybe even heading it.

And then we also have to decide whether Aida was immediately alerted when Daisy and Jemma uploaded themselves into the Framework, and if she made any adjustments – and to what ends. Did Aida kill Framework Jemma on purpose, to stop the real Jemma? Did she put Ward in there instead of Lincoln to do the same to Daisy? Because I could buy that some part of Daisy might have thought about Ward might have turned out like if he hadn’t been found by Garrett – if he had been found by Coulson or some other good, loyal S.H.I.E.L.D. agent. Or if his family had never been abusive. So, a good Ward could have been her boyfriend of choice in the Framework, but only if Lincoln had never existed in reality. I sincerely think Daisy’s true desire is Lincoln, not Ward. And not just because she called his name and thought she would find him in her and Ward’s bed. Lincoln just makes sense, emotionally and mentally.

Re: Daisy’s boyfriend of choice, it’s been pointed out that Ward makes sense as her boyfriend in the framework because of the lack of choice. Aida mentioned in the episode that she had to keep resetting the framework when they added someone new; if Daisy had been caught and plugged in the way the others were, Aida would have adjusted things to address what ever Great Regret she thought Daisy needed fixed. But because Daisy wasn’t planned for, she just got slotted into the life her double was living as a consequence of all those other large changes. Whatever rippled out from the others’ regrets being fixed led to Daisy being with Ward; her own choice had nothing to do with it.

Because I agree, she absolutely would’ve chosen Lincoln.

So, to circle back to an earlier point, making a connection between Jemma’s date of death as seen on her gravestone and one of the old episodes is a very messy, all-over-the-place thing, because it would require this and that and the other for the circumstances that led to F.Z.Z.T. to have happened in the reality of the Framework as well.

See, as much as I like all the theories that have Jemma not dying in FZZT...I think you’re giving the writers a liiiiiiiiiittle too much credit there. I don’t know that they’d actually consider all the possible ripple effect and technicalities, not when they have the opportunity to turn it into a “I’d be dead without you!!” shipper moment.

Alright, I’m done. That’s about all I can remember that I wanted to say. Thanks, again, terribly, for letting me send this to you this way. It made the text much easier and less stressful to produce and handle (I absolutely cannot guarantee the absence of all sorts of mistakes). You’re an angel. And you can also edit it however you want, you know. Go wild! Write comments in between if you want. Delete stuff. Add jokes.

You’re welcome, nonnie! <3

P.S. Yes, I have indeed made the submission essentially anonymous. In the words of Steve Rogers: “Internet. So helpful.” Especially when you suffer from crippling shyness. Which I hate. Because it makes my life unnecessarily difficult and impossible.

I totally feel you, nonnie. I have horrible social anxiety and 99% of the messages I send to non-mutual blogs (and, honestly, even them sometimes) are sent on anon. I don’t blame you at all!

Thanks again so much. ❤ ❤ ❤

And also, yay for the Framework!fic you’re making progress on!

My excuse for posting this at 1AM: I finished and posted the fic! Yay?

#amy communicates #anonymous #my nonnies are the best nonnies #i'm way too tired to reread everything i've written here so fingers crossed that it's coherent!#and also friendly because i disagreed with a couple of your points #i hope i don't sound rude and/or condescending #if i do it was NOT my intention #just my exhaustion getting the better of me #aos spoilers #submission

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