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floater0352 · 3 months

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One of my first (but hopefully not last) contributions to the emerging trivia on Shôgun:

Lady Ochiba / Ruri, the mother of the Taiko's heir Yaechiyo, is based on Lady Yodo/Chacha (1569-1615), niece to Oda Nobunaga and second spouse of Toyotomi Hideyoshi. We see her here as the primary moving force shoring up her son's position and the patron of Toranaga's rival Ishido.

Fumi Nikaido as Lady Ochiba, Shôgun, 2024

What makes the casting of this one very interesting is that Fumi Nikaido has played the actual role of Yodo/Chacha in a similar period production, the 2014 NHK taiga drama Gunshi Kanbei (which was primarily about Kuroda Kanbei, the strategist of Hideyoshi played by Junichi Okada).

Fumi Nikaido as Yodo, Gunshi Kanbei, 2014

While there's enough hype for Toranaga (especially as he is portrayed by public favorite and producer Hiroyuki Sanada--rightfully so), I wish to highlight Fumi Nikaido's return to this role as it does help highlight the differences between how Lady Yodo is portrayed in fiction. (It does help that we have no shortage of it now--even if it's mostly in videogames like Samurai Warriors, Sengoku Basara or the more historically-faithful Nioh).

The material we have of Lady Ochiba so far is of a proud, haughty, even disrespectful woman--and perhaps it's not exactly far off from how Chacha is portrayed even in Japanese media. To some extent, even Gunshi Kanbei conceded to this especially in the episodes I'm referring with this photo--what with it precisely being the moment Yodo is fearing coming to pass. A mother seeking to protect her son's patrimony (and by extension, her agency and regency), it's a universal trope in feudal drama. What Shôgun does not give her yet (but Gunshi Kanbei took pains to establish) is the recognition that she is as much a victim of the warring era, turning her into a self-loathing monster only able to survive trying to make sense of it all, and maybe recover their agency in it. Clavell rightfully gave it to his main focus character, Lady Mariko (played very layered and well by Anna Sawai compared to her more recent outings--herself based on Hosokawa Gracia).

It truly amazes me that 10 years has yet to make much of a difference for Fumi Nikaido and this role. The woman whose position at the top was only made possible by misery and her playing by the cruel game of chaos, she portrays both versions with the edge, anxiety and palpable will of a woman who's lost everything before and is at the doorstep of losing them again.

#shôgun #shogun #samurai #shogun fx #shôgun fx #shôgun 2024 #shogun 2024 #fumi nikaido #chacha #lady yodo #yodo-dono #ochiba no kata #james clavell #lady ochiba

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nu-omicron-alpha-eta · 2 months

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Fate Grand Order Servant Comparisons

Chacha (Yodo-dono)

Left - FGO

Right - 17th century

Note: She has manifested as a servant in a childish form that is not her golden age.

#fate grand order #fgo #chacha #yododono #yodo-dono #fgo chacha #chacha fgo #fate chacha #chacha fate

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redsamuraiii · 16 days

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Truth about Ochiba & Toranaga *spoilers*

Ever wondered why Ochiba hates Toranaga so much that she wanted him gone quickly in the beginning?

*book spoilers ahead*

In the book, it is revealed that her son's father is not the Taiko but an unknown peasant. Ochiba is stressed in having to bear an Heir for the Taiko or risk losing her political position of power as the Taiko's Consort to someone else who can bear the Taiko's child.

To destress, she went horse riding, where she had a fateful encounter with a young peasant who resembles the Taiko. Thinking that it's fate, she went ahead to conceive a child with him. When she was done and emerged from the forest, Toranaga was there waiting for her.

Toranaga asked if she was alright as she was gone missing for some time with her dressing unkempt and some dirt on her back. She told him that she fell off her horse and took some time to clean herself and get back on her horse. She suspected that he knew.

So ever since then, she had to look over her shoulders every time, especially when the Taiko is alone with Toranaga as she fears Toranaga would either tell the truth as the Taiko trusts him with his life or would use it to blackmail her for his own political agenda.

Interestingly, in history there is a legend or rumors that the real Ochiba, Chacha has a romantic relationship with Yukimura Sanada, the legendary Samurai that would lead the defense of Osaka Castle against the Tokugawa to protect Chacha and her son, Hideyori.

The idea that her son is actually Yukimura's son and not the Taiko makes sense as her son is described as smart, dignified and handsome young man behaving more like a Lord, unlike the Taiko, who is uncouth, behaving like a peasant.

The relationship between Chacha and Yukimura have been shown numerous times in Japanese period dramas like Sanada Maru where Chacha took a liking to Yukimura as he strike as a different breed of Samurai than the ones she's accustomed to seeing in Osaka.

Which makes sense as most of the Samurai and Ronin that served the Taiko, like Ishido, are peasants so they have different upbringing, behavior, mannerism and mentality. Seeing a "real" Samurai made a big impression on Chacha as he's more sharp and honorable.

Even Ishida (the real Ishido) is impressed by his knowledge and skills, leading Yukimura to be one of the trusted vassals of the Taiko. Yukimura had to serve the Taiko as a political hostage (like Theon Greyjoy in Game of Thrones) for many years since young.

Chacha like Ochiba is an influential political figure in court that vassals listen to in the absence of the Taiko, especially Ishida. She always put on a "fierce" front in public and in court but only show her true self to Yukimura, the only person she loves and trusts.

Although many characters in Shogun are based and inspired by real life characters, I noticed that there is none that represents Yukimura Sanada, a figure that is often left out even in Netflix's Age of Samurai. He's an important figure if they were to make a Season 2 of Shogun.

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hassiegfrieddoneanythingwrong · 8 months

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Sure. I was more angry that the writers are conflict-avoidant when it comes to Kriemhild and passed over not one, but two large, potential character arcs that Siegfried could play a minor part in rather than the only, major part. Only one I easily understood because Byrnhildr is from Sigurd's legend, so she's not the Queen of Iceland and it would be silly to linger on Kriemhild's conflict with her.

Mind you, I'd still like to see an interlude on it, much as I'd like to go over Gudrun and Sigurd, but let's not kid ourselves here. The FGO writers nowadays don't seem like they ever want to bring it up given Sigurd's line on it.

Remember when I said I wanted a Enkidu-like interlude for Kriemhild? In that interlude, Enkidu spared nothing for Ishtar and went straight into catty dialogue with her. There was no delicately dancing around their hostile relationship nor any retcons regarding what was already said before in FGO regarding Ishtar and Enkidu.

Kriemhild, on the other hand, gets two lame excuses that cut off parts of the Nibelungelied she could possibly grow from: Brynhild's conflict with her and the long time she spent with Attila and the Huns.

I wasn't talking about the event entirely as it was a breath of fresh air from the last two events where she spent time with Siegfried. That's expected. No. I was talking about the small part between her and Altera where she said that she couldn't remember her time with Altera and the Huns - which contradicts Byrnhildr saying she smells Siegfried's scent on Altera. Which hints at Altera having spent time with Kriemhild. That little aside soured the rest of the event as it not only confirmed the writers don't want to dedicate time to fleshing out Kriemhild beyond her Fate-only conflict with Siegfried (thanks Higa), but that they're content in using any out to avoid going over Altera's time as Etzel/Attila. Want to know what I wanted when saving a pity for Kriemhild? Character expansions for both Siegfried and Altera on top of Kriemhild herself. Guess I wished on a monkey's paw. I'm now sure her kids with Altera are also retconned out of existence. Not too sure about Gunther II, though.

Oh yeah, want to know the best part? In the same cop-out dialogue, the writer of this event said there's another version of Kriemhild that remembers her time with Altera instead of casting away the memories as not important (even though Kriemhild's tactics in Traum say otherwise). I remember another servant version promised by the writers that never came out: rider Caesar. Yeah, it's been years and he still hasn't shown up. Sorry Cleo. Odds are, that version of Kriemhild won't show up either. And it's been nearly a year since the last batch of interludes too.

So yeah, that's what I meant about her being Siegfried's shipping attachment. It seems the writers only want to focus on their romance part of the Nibelungelied and not go over Kriemhild's personal development as a character herself. One issue I do have when it comes to couples in this game, regardless of who's being shipped.

But I suppose this comes with the territory of loving the character from the source material first before getting their Fate version. You start getting disappointed when the writing doesn't meet what you expect.

Anyways, I hope this explains it. And thanks for not immediately assuming I hate Kriemhild herself just because I have issues with how she's written.

OOOOOOOOOOHHHH, yeah that makes more sense now. As much as I would also love to see more focus on both Kriemhild and Siegfried (especially on the former), as well as possibly for Altera, the sad fact is that it will possibly never happen.

Kriemhild forgetting why she politically married Altera is like as if Artoria forgot why she abandoned her humanity to be a good king, or Gilgamesh seeking out the herb of immortality, or why Yu Mei-ren/Akuta Hinako initially wanting to summon her beloved Xiang Yu. It makes no sense on any level for her to forget it. Perhaps this'll be ignored and actual focus on them if Kriemhild gets an interlude, but I sadly don't have high hopes (or even a medium level of hope).

And for Altera, none of the writers seem to be interested in fleshing her out in FGO. All of them seem content enough that everything interesting about her is just locked behind another game. Like, her second interlude is the only one that's actually about anything while her first and third interludes are more vague memories before and after she became the leader of the Huns. There's a small (and I mean small) possibility that there probably could be an Extella collab at some point in the future, with a guest writer who is really damn passionate about the character(s) similar to what happened with Samurai Remnant, but again I wouldn't hope for it.

TLDR the only way to deal with the giant, tangled, unfocused mess that is the situation between Siegfried, Kriemhild, Altera and potentially anyone else is to Cope™️.

Or write fix-it fics, either way.

#ask #it was a mistake for hoping for her to appear in FGO instead of a new entry 💀#stupid monkey's paw...#the amount of times any of the children between the couple Servants could possibly be counted #on either one or two hands #like there's Caesarion - Aslaug - Mordred (don't know if they/he counts in the grand scheme of things)#+ the Orkney sibs - I think Medea's sons with Jason were alluded to at some point (don't count me on this) -#Cú's son with Aife - Herc's kids with his first wife I think were mentioned or alluded to back in Stay Night - Kiichi Hogen's daughter #Galahad - Solomon - Tomoe's son with Yoshinaka - Kijyo Koyo's son is also mentioned/alluded to in the Requiem event #as well as Marie's son who actually kinda showed up in Requiem - Chacha's/Yodo-dono's son Tsurumatsu appears in a future GudaGuda event #... okay it's more than two hands I believe so. maybe a decent for Gunther Jr. to appear or at least be acknowledged?#as I keep on saying don't put any hopes on this potentially happening 💀#also no prob anon! I would like to think that I can tell the difference when someone says ''I don't like/hate this chara''#and ''I like this chara but Whelmed™️ about their writing''#and again I do get it bc I also like her but rather ಠ⁠_⁠ಠ at like half of her writing in FGO

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Shōgun Historical Shallow-Dive: Part 2 - Heir Crash Investigations

What happened to Ochiba no kata and Yaechiyo, the Heir, in history? This was the most requested topic for part two. Get ready for failson psych-outs, drag-king, diss-track action. None of that is a joke.

There is a very simple version of this story, and a very complicated version of this story. I'll try and split the difference, but again, if you're interested, best English-language high level overview of the period that is not horribly out of date.

Again! Not a professional historian, never did my PhD, so my opinion is going to colour this.

The simple version: Ochiba no kata in the Shōgun show is quite a departure from the historical Yodo-dono or Chacha. She did a lot of political manouvreing to try and get her son to regain the pre-eminent position in Japan, but ultimately lost out to Tokugawa's overwhelming political and military strength. Nobody knows if she died or escaped at the end of the siege of Osaka castle in 1615 (15 years after the show), so there are lots of cool folk tales about her.

The more complicated version:

Ochiba is depicted as a sneaky, conniving, scary lady who scratches out fate's eyes. Why? Short version, whilst she was a major magnate and power player during the period of the show and after, she was not a brilliant schemer. She also wasn't crazy malicious - she was trying to keep her son alive. Most of her plans came undone because of incompetence, not being a puppet master who bent men to her will with veiled seduction and threats. That's a later invention. (We'll come back to it at the end).

She was the dictator Koroda's (Oda Nobunaga's) niece, not his daughter. As far as is known, her and Mariko's real life counterpart, Hosokowa Gracia, did not hang out.

The real life Ochiba, Yodo-dono, became a nun after the Taiko (Toyotomi Hideyoshi) died. So... less sultry and cat-like, more pious, still an excellent political operator.

She stayed out of the war between the Regents and Toranaga/Tokugawa, and did send a letter to Toranaga/Tokugawa saying the Heir would remain neutral. This allowed the Eastern forces under Toranaga/Tokugawa to present Ishido/Ishida's mobilisation and war footing as rebellion against the Heir, and the Taiko's wishes.

After Sekigahara, Tokugawa (we're past the book now) claimed that he would be 'as a father' to the Heir - real name, Toyotomi Hideyori. Most of the Heir's former fervent supporters embraced the Tokugawa reign.

He didn't hate the Heir or want to knife him in his sleep. 'It must be emphasised that Ieyasu himself bore Hideyori no personal ill will. Although he had once been enemies with Hideyori's father, Ieyasu was sensible enough to acknowledge Hideyoshi's [the Taiko's] unique genius. He acted kindly towards the late Taiko's child.' (Chaplin, 511).

So how did they end up coming to blows? Ochiba no kata's real-life inspiration, Yodo-dono, was deeply suspicious of Toranaga/Tokugawa. She had her pride - expecting her son to inherit the Realm and all - and she was an excellent political operator in her own right. She wouldn't roll over and let Toranaga/Tokugawa throw all these plans away because of one battle between Regents. She stayed out of it to keep her options open.

Tokugawa was well on his way to implementing his unification of the realm plans, post-Sekigahara. He demanded that she and her son go to Kyoto to show they were good and loyal vassals. Yodo-dono refused on behalf of her, and her son, intuiting (correctly) that the Heir paying homage to Tokugawa would ruin what was left of the family claim. This certainly raised an eyebrow amongst the magnates who'd survived the civil war. To Tokugawa, this woman needed watching, as she was clearly not going to just accept that her son was just another daimyo now.

Once Tokugawa was made Shōgun, he installed one of his lackeys in Osaka castle to keep an eye on Yodo-dono/Ochiba, and the Heir. The lackey reported for a decade that the Heir was essentially 'effeminate' (his words) and a failson.

Tokugawa was fine with this. He was busy building a unified empire. He'd married his granddaughter-in-law to the Heir, and given away most of the Toyotomi (ex-Taiko) lands after the battle to lords that flipped to his side.

As far as Osaka went- Yodo-dono and the Heir - Tokugawa was, characteristically, waiting to see what would happen. He was hoping the whole Toyotomi 'remember how the Heir's dad was Taiko?!' thing would fade with time. Wishful thinking, but maybe the son of his late master would accept the way things were now.

Between 1601-1611, Tokugawa Ieyasu hadn't made up his mind to destroy the Toyotomi. After all, most of his ex-rivals were now scrambling to impress him by contributing the most money to ruinous castle-building programs he ordered, in order to keep them broke and squabbling amongst each other. Maybe Yodo-dono would guide the Heir to do the same?

Ding dong, daddy wants to check on his main political rival's kid! Tokugawa Ieyasu eventually remembered the Heir was still alive, and requested a meeting. Yodo-dono requested three Tokugawa hostages (three of Ieyasu's own sons!) before she'd agree to the meeting. She knew who he was, and she knew now what he was capable of.

Uh oh! In 1611, Tokugawa met the now 18-year-old Heir at a neutral castle and found him strapping, manly, and charismatic. His lackey had been lying to him! It turns out, the lackey keeping watch on Yodo-dono and the Heir had a soft spot for the Taiko, and had been deliberately telling Tokugawa not to worry about his son to try and prevent conflict. But this kid was dangerous. Dangerously awesome. If he impressed Tokugawa, there was a good chance he'd impress other busho and daimyo, drawing them to a faction to oppose the new Tokugawa rule.

Rulers hate him! This little moron used time shut away in a castle to develop into a political threat!

It was at this point Tokugawa made up his mind to destroy Yodo-dono (her son's chief counsellor, and the political force behind a growing anti-Tokugawa movement), as well as the Heir. If you've read any history, a leader cementing power can't let remnants of the old regime hang around to act as a magnet for opposition. Especially if they are impressive and cool - Tokugawa was blown away by the boy's charisma and charm. So Tokugawa needed an excuse to take out the Heir. Any old excuse would do.

The excuse was lame, and arcane. The Heir's dad was famous for a sword hunt. Basically, the Taiko was a peasant who became a general who became a samurai, and wanted to pull the ladder up behind him. No non-samurai would be allowed weapons. No one was allowed class mobility anymore. You were what you were born, suck it, and a big part of that was confiscating weapons to ensure no more uprisings... like the Taiko had been a part of.

But because the Taiko was all about glitz, glamour, and what we'd now call virtue signalling, he was going to melt all of these swords down into a giant Buddha! It was a pious thing, honest! This buddha would be located at a temple called Hoko-ji.

It's 1614, and Yodo-dono has gathered a network of anti-Tokugawa daimyo, busho, and - importantly - samurai. Many samurai had been left masterless (ronin) after Sekigahara. Even those with lords had been transformed overnight from professional warriors to bureaucrats (we'll get to this in a later part). They were restless, out of work, and they flocked to her banner for the chance to get paid for their skills again, and lose the stigma of being masterless. With his ranks swelling, the Heir looked more and more like a viable political contender.

The Toyotomi, under Yodo-dono, with Hideyori as the pretty dashing figurehead, began to throw their weight around. They rebuilt Osaka castle's fortifications, and they forged a bell at Hoko-ji temple funded by the proceeds of Father's Great Sword Hunt. It wasn't any old bell though. It was a diss bell. Read in a certain way, the kanji inscription on the bell could be interpreted as breaking the Tokugawa in two, and 'may the Toyotomi rise... again?'

Tokugawa sent an envoy to Yodo-dono, asking that, given this insult, she and the Heir might consider relocating to another province. Say, a less central, less jewel-in-the-crown-with-an-impregnable-castle province. It'd help make up for the insulting bell, after all. The veiled threat was not very veiled. 'Leave while I give you the chance.'

This drew the battle-lines between those who still held out loyalty to the Taiko's clan (or who just hated the Tokugawa), and the Shōgun's forces. The former flocked to Osaka Castle and dug in.

That was enough for Tokugawa, who laid siege to Osaka Castle. Well, he was very old now, so he let his son - the Shōgun whose dad told him what to do - lead the siege. Assaulting the castle was a logistical nightmare, but luckily for Tokugawa and his fledgling Shōgunate, they outsourced much of the work to the lords who had pledged allegiance to the new regime (read: almost all of them). Keeping these lords poor - say, through funding hugely expensive military endeavours - was one of the ways Tokugawa Ieyasu and heirs exerted control. Ieyasu sat on a hill in a comfy tent while others bled gold (and blood) to build the expensive siege works and start the assault.

There were two sieges. One kinda worked, the second wasn't really a siege, but that's what they're called in the sources 🤷

The first siege was very much carrot-and-the-stick. Archers would loose arrows into the castle, with scrolls wrapped around the shafts, requesting the Toyotomi surrender. Politely. Poetically. It didn't work.

Tokugawa Ieyasu (Toranaga) tried bribing famous commanders inside the castle, including famed hunk-hero and coverboy of the Samurai Warriors games, Sanada Yukimura. He told Tokugawa to go fuck himself. Tokugawa tried bribing another general, who considered it, was discovered, and beheaded in Osaka Castle to encourage the others. 🙃

Yodo-dono started dressing up in samurai armor and walking the walls, in full view of the besieging armies. Her son's forces found this 'both unnerving... and condescending.' She was acting like a general, which pissed the generals off. She was also accidentally undermining her now-adult son, and sapping confidence from those who'd pledged to his banner. Read the room, lady. This doesn't seem to be malicious - this was just her first experience actually wielding power in an armed conflict. 'Although she feigned the image of a warlike Virago, she was in fact a cloistered and rather narrow-minded woman who understood little of what went on outside of her castle. As such, Ieyasu knew that she could be manipulated when the time came.'

What's the best way to manipulate someone? Fire cannon at them!

'And now for my most cunning plan. Blowing her up.'

Tokugawa ordered his son to focus cannon fire on the living quarters of Osaka Castle. Yodo-dono's quarters. Twice a day, every day. They were using cannon seized from Portuguese ships, and the gun-crews are likely to have been using training manuals originally drawn up by our old friend, the English pilot. He was off living his best life in Edo at the time. But he trained accurate gunners - one round shot hit Yodo-dono's quarters and nearly killed her. While she and her ladies were having tea. The gall.

This was enough for her. She ordered her son to make terms with the Tokugawa. This wasn't worth dying for.

'Ugh, stop wrecking all my shit you fucking swine. That teapot was from Muji!' - Yodo-dono, 1615

Siege over! Can we be friends? Well, it's hard to go back from that. Tokugawa Ieyasu offered Hideyori/the Heir (well, really, his mom) two options: either Yodo-dono goes to Edo as a hostage to their family's good behaviour, or they agree to fill in the moat of Osaka Castle, making it less a fortress and more of a nice, big, open-plan house.

Option 2 was agreed, and Ieyasu issued a treaty document sealed with his own blood. The very obvious implication - don't fucking break it.

The Heir and Yodo-dono fucking broke it.

Urged on by his mother, Hideyori began to gather ronin (masterless samurai) back to his banner, re-dig the filled in moats, and gathered 120,000 fighting men to Osaka Castle. I forgot to mention how big this siege was, sorry. It was huge. And wouldn't you know it, many of these fighters were būsho, samurai, and ashigaru who were Christian. They saw the way the wind was blowing, and that the Tokugawa were getting wise to Portuguese intentions towards Japan. This might be their last chance (spoiler: it was).

The second siege (called the Summer Siege) began. From the Heir's side, it was much more ambitious than the first. The boy general, son of the Taiko, wanted to seize Kyoto, declare Tokugawa a traitor to the Emperor, and go on the offensive.

Unfortunately, like Sekigahara, many of the forces gathered in Osaka were there to oppose Tokugawa, rather than fight for one unified purpose. The war councils generally ended with disunity, and Yodo-dono kept interfering, which really, really was starting to wear thin with the Heir's vassals and allies. And the Heir himself. Imagine your mom turning up to work every day after you'd got a big promotion (Leader of the Western Armies). Not only that, your mom is literally coming to work in cosplay. The poor kid.

Long story short - Hideyori, the Heir, had no military experience. In a much-mythologised, last-of-its-kind battle between actual samurai - before they hung up their swords and became indentured bureaucrats - the Heir risked it all. His plan to sally forth and fight the armies of the Shōgun failed. They were beaten back by a contingent of 150,000 warriors under the Shōgunate, commanded by Ieyasu's son, Hidetada.

Key commanders were killed during the offensive, the Osaka forces lacked unity and cohesion (Sekigahara called, it wants its overarching lesson back). The Heir retreated back into Osaka Castle, but they didn't have a contingency plan and had few defences and obstacles established. The castle came under massive bombardment and constant infantry assault. The entire castle caught fire.

(Side note: a primary source written by a Dutch trader at the time said that generals loyal to the Heir set the castle on fire themselves, hoping to win favour with the Shōgun. Apparently, Hideyori discovered this and threw them off the ramparts into the flames. We'll probably never know whether that was true, but it's at least plausible.)

The Heir, Toyotomi Hideyori, and his mother, Yodo-dono - niece of Oda Nobunaga, most powerful concubine to the Taiko, most powerful woman in Japan - committed seppuku in the flames.

His body was found. Hers wasn't. You know what happens when this arises in history. There are folk legends that Yodo-dono escaped and lived a happy life in another province, but, hey, we all like a happy ending.

So if the inspiration for Ochiba no kata was a bit of a tone-deaf aristocrat nun who, whilst politically powerful, was not really a sexy, scary woman, how did we end up with Ochiba in the show?

After the Tokugawa defeated the Heir's forces, they had control of everything - eeeverything, including history books, plays, the works. What makes for a better story if you're on the winning side?

A mother was put in a terrible position when her husband, the ruler of the country, died. A group of men promised her husband they would place her son on the throne. One of them lied, stole the throne through force of arms and political savvy, and disinherited the son, despite the mother's best attempts. Her cause failed because she lacked the skills and authority to unify a movement, and her son was an untested youth who, in the end, just didn't have it.

The Heir's mother was an evil, scheming, sexually wanton (!) woman who destabilised the realm and got her son killed. She led them to disaster and without her, Tokugawa Ieyasu and the Heir would have gotten along fine! Her cause failed because she was a malicious harpy.

The Shōgunate chose option 2, and that's mostly the version we get in popular culture. It's hard to undo 260 years worth of character portrayal. Don't get me wrong, she was scheming, she was self-interested, but so was every major player in the period. She used her influence to gather support for her son, tried her best to overcome Toranaga/Tokugawa once she realised what he was, and she failed. To really send the moral message home, the Shōgunate cast her as a wicked woman, making her wickedness the reason she failed, not the complex factors that contributed to the downfall of the Taiko's clan.

So that's the story of Ochiba no kata's real life insiration, and what happened to the Heir - by far the most requested Part 2, and probably a bit depressing for Ochiba fans, unfortunately.

In Part 3, if there's any interest, we could look at the Dictator, the Taiko, and Toranaga and how they unified Japan, or we could look at a really interested question - what the hell happened for the 260 years of Tokugawa rule? How does it live on today (in some pretty dark ways) in the popular imagination? Your call.

#shōgun #shogun #shogun fx #john blackthorne #adaptationsdaily #perioddramasource #yoshii toranaga #akechi mariko #history #history lesson #japan #japanese culture #tokugawa ieyasu #fumi nikaido #lady ochiba #ochiba no kata #hiroyuki sanada

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devowostation · 6 months

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GG8 Theories!

With Gudaguda 8 coming within the week, I thought I'd post some of my theories as to who may be summonable! I'll only be using characters we KNOW exist in Fate currently because there ain't no way I'm predicting bitches that aren't even mentioned yet.

SABER, TOYOTOMI HIDEYOSHI (Monkey has been mentioned pretty consistently throughout the Gudaguda Events; Hell, last Gudaguda had his misdeeds as Regent as one of the main driving forces of the story even *happening.* He's the Second of the Three Unifiers, and already has a kit in lore. All that remains is actually adding him.)

AVENGER, YODO-DONO (The Adult Form of Chacha! She's also been hyped up since Chacha's introduction, and had a near-appearance in GG7. We have an idea of her personality thinks to Chacha's Materials, and know that she's dangerous enough to drive Chacha to actively try to AVOID becoming her.)

PRETENDER, IEYASU TOKUGAWA (The Third of the Three Unifiers; He has no CANON class, but since his ability in Koha-Ace was hotswapping between all 7 Main Classes, Pretender seems like the most realistic option. He's not AS likely as the first two, but it's a pretty safe assumption that all 3 Unifiers are gonna get in the game eventually.)

BERSERKER, SHIBATA KATSUIE (please.)

ARCHER/CASTER, MITSUHIDE AKECHI (He's been in NPC Jail since year 1; I may not be his biggest fan, but like...how are they gonna keep dragging it out?)

ASSASSIN, TAKECHI ZUIZAN (He, like Izo, made a HUGE splash in the fanbase. I admittedly don't know him as well as I know the Sengoku characters...The less NPCs, the better, no?)

#fgo #gudaguda #toyotomi hideyoshi #chacha #yododono #ieyasu tokugawa #mitsuhide akechi #takechi zuizan #I wanna say Yasuka but I don't trust TM like that

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venicepearl · 2 years

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Oichi (お市, 1547 – June 14, 1583) was a female historical figure in the late Sengoku period. She is known primarily as the mother of three daughters who became prominent figures in their own right – Yodo-dono, Ohatsu and Oeyo. Oichi was the younger sister of Oda Nobunaga; and she was the sister-in-law of Nōhime, the daughter of Saitō Dōsan. She was descended from the Taira and Fujiwara clans.

She was an influential figure in Japanese history in the Sengoku period. Although remembered mainly for her tragic life as sister of Oda Nobunaga, Japan's first unifier, Oichi is also famous for her honorable conduct, her beauty and determination. She was present at two historically significant battles, the siege of Odani and the siege of Kitanosho, sieges that led to the extermination of the powerful Azai and Shibata clan, respectively.

#Oichi #XVI century #people #portrait #paintings #art #arte

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playitagin · 1 year

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1615-Siege of Osaka

The siege of Osaka(大坂の役, Ōsaka no Eki, or, more commonly, 大坂の陣 Ōsaka no Jin) was a series of battles undertaken by the Japanese Tokugawa shogunate against the Toyotomi clan, and ending in that clan's destruction. Divided into two stages (winter campaign and summer campaign), and lasting from 1614 to 1615, the siege put an end to the last major armed opposition to the shogunate's establishment.

*(left) Toyotomi Hideyori (豊臣秀頼, August 28, 1593 - June 4, 1615) was the son and designated successor of Toyotomi Hideyoshi, the general who first united all of Japan. His mother, Yodo-dono, was the niece of Oda Nobunaga.

*(right) Yodo-dono (淀殿) or Yodogimi (淀君) (1569 – June 4, 1615) was a prominently placed figure in the late-Sengoku period. She was a concubine and second wife of Toyotomi Hideyoshi, and Hideyori's mother, who was then the most powerful man in Japan.

* The fall of Osaka Castle: On June 5, 1615, Tokugawa attacked Osaka Castle, an attack known as "the summer Siege of Osaka". After another series of shogunate victories on the outskirts of Osaka, the summer campaign came to a head at the battle of Tennōji. The smaller force led directly by Hideyori sallied forth from Osaka Castle too late, and was chased right back into the castle by the advancing enemies; there was no time to set up a proper defense of the castle, and it was soon ablaze and pummeled by artillery fire.

Hideyori and Yodo-dono took refuge in a fireproof warehouse, as much of the castle was in flames. Ōno Harunaga sent Hideyori's wife, Senhime, with his father Hidetada to be forgiven, and to plead for the life of her husband and mother-in-law. Without waiting for answers, Toyotomi Hideyori and Yodo-dono committed seppuku in the flames of Osaka castle, ending the Toyotomi legacy.

The final major uprising against Tokugawa rule was put to an end, leaving the shogunate unchallenged for approximately 250 years.

#Jun.4.1615 #date of death #Toyotomi Hideyori #Yodogimi #The fall of Osaka Castle #end of Toyotomi clan #history today

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koorinohebi · 1 year

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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. MY MATERIAL FOR TAKECHI AND YODO-DONO HAS ARRIVED. I'M GOING TO TERRORIZE TAKECHI THE MOMENT I'VE READ THESE.

It's over for you. Your dark ages have arrived. Because I will make Yodo-dono a servant. UwU

#beyond the bounded field || ooc

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animegirlsakurablr · 2 years

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Title: But it is a harem

Alternatively titled 'Yes I'm still dunking on Kasuga'.

Man, it's been a hot (no pun intended) minute since I last drew something (I blame the heat practically sucking my motivation to draw 💀), so that's why Master!me looks somewhat awkward (big head, smaller body).

This was my first time drawing Kasuga/Parvati so I hope she doesn't look too bad, but man I hate that there's so much pink in her design, my pink pen's on verge of being dead, so her kimono looks a bit more roughed up than I wanted it to be.

And speaking of Kasuga, fun fact, despite how the event made her to be the de-facto manager of the Ooku, she actually co-managed it with Oeyo (who's also called Go, Ogo, and Satoko), who's not only the wife of the second Shogun (Tokugawa Hidetada) and the mother of the third Shogun (Tokugawa Iemitsu), but she's also Chacha/Yodo-dono's sister. Would've been nice if she was mentioned, guys! (Yes, this is a hill that I'm going to die on)

And before you say anything, yes, I know that the Ooku isn't The Sex Place (despite what Kama's claiming), it's also where the female servants and the Shogun's children (both from the wife and the concubines) also reside in it, but of course, literally no one else brings those up, so *shrugs*.

#Fate/Grand Order #Kasuga-no-Tsubone (FGO)#Mastersona #my art #here a drawing! (also gives a history lesson)#my sis the staff member

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otto-von-stirlitz · 2 months

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I really enjoyed this week's Shogun episode, especially its focus on female characters, their backstory, familial ties, ambitions and role in the political game of the series. Big fan of Ochiba-no-Kata (historical Yodo-Dono/Chacha) as a character and her childhood friends-to-political rival camps dynamic with Mariko (historical Hosokawa Gracia). Speaking of whom, i'm always a sucker for The Yearning and here that one hand graze...

Also between that series and Blue Eye Samurai and their diff sex and sex-work coverage I actually want to read some solid academic work on actual norms and attitudes towards sex and sex work in 17th cent Japan (if anyone on here happens to know then please rec)

#yavien rambles #yavien reviews

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cursedbygacha · 4 years

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[From: @partialdignity ] Chacha

I have her! In fact, Chacha was my first event Servant, as I started playing F/GO a little bit before her event. Sadly, I missed getting Nobu from the event before it.

Chacha is Level 60 in my game, because I don’t have anymore ascension materials for her. I used her a lot when I was first playing F/GO, but not as much now.

I’ll admit it: while I love Chacha’s design and character sprite, I don’t like her face much. It’s cute, but it reminds me of a hamster, especially because the angle makes it look like she doesn’t have a nose, unless you look closely at it. I love her design otherwise. It’s as over-the-top and borderline gaudy as she is, and I wouldn’t have it any other way. The almost neon pinks surprisingly go well with the heavy reds and yellows of the flames. The puffballs at her hip that remind me of pom-pom keychains, the wide knee length skirt reminiscent of a Lolita skirt, large pink bow and long train that make her look even smaller than she is, and the almost comedically out of place helmet all give her a youthful, almost childish feel, like a kid imitating a parent by wearing their clothes. It fits, because that is what Chacha is; she’s a spoiled overgrown kid who’s trying to imitate her auntie Nobunaga. I love her dialogue lines as well, especially her Bond Level lines. For all her spoiled, extravagant nature, she can be very insightful at times.

Of course, reading about the real Chacha makes me sad, because a Servant is dependent of how people remember them, even if it isn’t actually true. She was an intelligent woman, but she was also very proud of her heritage, and that lead to her demise.

#chacha #yodo-dono #yodo-gimi #fate grand order #fgo #ask game

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redsamuraiii · 1 month

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Shogun (2024) / Strategist Kanbei (2014)

Fun Trivia : Did you know that Fumi Nikaido had a similar role of Taiko's Consort in Japanese Period Drama (Taiga Drama) 10 years ago called Gunshi Kanbei (Strategist Kanbei)?

She acted as the real Ochiba named Chacha, the consort to the real Taiko, Toyotomi Hideyoshi, and mother to the real Yaemon, Hideyori. Guess you could say, she's meant for the role!

Bottom Pic by ハズキ