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baradyke · 13 days
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Transandrophobia isn’t real because misandry isn’t real. This is the basic truth of the matter.
The very structure of the word implies some kind of intersection of transphobia and misandry, which is impossible, because again misandry doesn’t exist. The phrase “transandrophobia” exists as a transmasc counterpart to transmisogyny, and it doesn’t work, because while misogyny is real, misandry/androphobia is not. The things that are described as “transandrophobia” which are actual instances of oppression are better explained as plain transphobia.
The antifeminism of transandrophobia theory
“Transandrophobia” theory often launders antifeminist concepts of misandry. Of course this is openly often denied. The defense is that transandrophobia doesn’t imply that misandry exists, but only describes transphobia directed at transmascs.
And it’s often disingenuous. I’ve come across numerous transandrophobia blogs that clearly believe in misandry. The very coiner of the word, says it’s caused by “the effects of irrational fears of masculinity and manhood“ (taking “androphobia” quite literally) which implies both the existence of misandry and also misogynistically dismissing women’s fears of men’s violence as irrational.
Of course they change the language around, using euphemisms for misandry. In fact transandrophobia is a clear evolution of the term “transmisandry.” Genderkoolaid and ey’s idea of “anti-masculism” that I criticized here is maybe the most obvious example of that on tumblr today.. The belief in some kind of systemic force that “negatively impacts men and masculine people on the basis of their manhood and/or masculinity.“ to quote genderkoolaid is as succinct a definition of misandry theory as any. And ey even outright admits that “antimasculism” is just another word for misandry. Other transandrophobia bloggers like the transunity blog outright use the word “misandry.”So for simplicity’s sake, I’m going to use “misandry” for whatever euphemisms transandrophobia people use, like “antimasculism”, “androphobia” or claims that “society hates men” or “there is a widespread irrational fear of men and masculinity.”
The use of feminist language like “patriarchy” common among transandrophobia people is either severely confused or outright dishonest. It’s a symptom of the terrible understanding of feminism on this site, as I lamented before. Patriarchy as a term that inherently implies male privilege, men are privileged for being men, not disadvantaged. Claiming the patriarchy oppresses men on the basis of their gender is a contradiction in terms. And belief in misandry is inherently misogynistic and anti-feminist.
How terms for systemic oppression actually work
Let’s however assume that the word “transandrophobia” just means “transphobia aimed at transmascs.” Then I don’t see why this word needs to exist. It contradicts most academic work on systemic oppression. New terms are generally not made just to describe “specific experiences of an oppression”. Instead they are created to describe meaningful intersections of different forms of oppression. Often these are intersections with misogyny, because that particular oppression affects about half the population. So misogynynoir describes an intersection of anti-blackness/racism and misogyny that black women experience, and lesbophobia describes an intersection of homophobia and misogyny that lesbians experience. And transmisogyny describes an intersection of misogyny and transphobia that trans women and transfems experience.
The lesbophobia example is especially pertinent to this discussion. The homophobia that gay men experience is often distinct from that lesbians experience, and homophobia against gay men is no minor prejudice, gay men have literally been murdered for being gay. Yet there is no “homoandrophobia” (to borrow an argument from this post by catgirlforeskin) and that’s because misandry/androphobia isn’t real. Men experience systemic oppression differently from women experiencing the same oppression, but that’s because of the absence of misogyny, not the existence of any misandry.
So a word like transandrophobia does imply an intersection between “androphobia/misandry”and transphobia. Otherwise it doesn’t have much reason to exist.
Misandry must affect all men in order to exist
I have seen claims that while “cis misandry” doesn’t exist, trans men and transmasc people are in fact oppressed for being men or masculine. And that’s how transandrophobia works
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But that’s just transphobia. Misandry can only be real if it affects all men. Misogyny is a viable term because all women are oppressed for being women, even if they can also be privileged because of things like being cis, wealthy or white which balances out their oppression for being women (intersectionality is complex). I wouldn’t claim misogyny was real if it only affected a subset of women.
You can’t claim that men are oppressed for being men or being masculine, that it is some stigmatized gender or gender expression, when being a man and specifically a masculine man is what is expected of about half the population, and in fact men gain privilege for the successful performance of masculinity.
It’s true that trans men and other transmascs are systemically oppressed, and do indeed experience severe pushback if they express their manhood or try to transition in a transmasculine direction. But that’s because they are trans. Transfems experience a similar oppression for expressing their womanhood or trying to transition in transfeminine direction. That’s why the word transphobia exists.
Let’s make an example of a common bit of rhetoric among transandrophobia people, and see how it is all explained entirely by transphobia. Transandrophobia people talk about some general “hatred of testosterone” as part of transandrophobia, often dishonestly conflating transfems expressing their dysphoria with transphobic rhetoric about how testosterone ruins transmasc bodies.
But any idea about society hating testosterone fail to account for why the testosterone flowing through bodies deemed naturally male is seen as okay. In fact being “high-t” is seen as a positive in a man. It’s not even a prejudice against medical testosterone, being “low-t” is a fad disorder that cis men can easily get testosterone prescriptions for. And trying to lower your “natural testosterone” levels is something that’s actively hindered and gatekept, something I’ve experienced. I waited three years to get on t-blockers due to medical gatekeeping. In my country Sweden getting your balls removed legally and thus permanently lower your t-levels is something you have to petition the government for, something I’m trying to do.
Any kind of theorizing about a misandristic hatred of testosterone can’t explain this. It’s only so-called “cross-sex hormones” that are seen as bad, not testosterone in itself. And this is entirely explained by transphobia, not misandry.
It’s of course true that men are oppressed, but it’s never on the basis of being men. People who try to argue for misandry often use (often appropriatively) the struggles of oppressed men and try to argue they are oppressed because they are men. And transandrophobia theory is no different.
“Deserving a word”
The attitude among the transmascs who support transandrophobia theory seems to be “transfems have transmisogyny to describe their oppression, we deserve a word too.” Except again, transfems don’t have the term transmisogyny because we are very special girls who need a special word for our oppression, it exists because it describes the intersection of misogyny and transphobia we experience. It exists for the same reason as lesbophobia does, to describe an intersection between misogyny and another oppression. Gay men are not disadvantaged compared to lesbians because they “only” have the more general term “homophobia” while lesbians have the more specific word “lesbophobia.” And I don’t think transmascs would be disadvantaged if nobody accepted transandrophobia as a tern for their experiences.
You don’t need a specific word to talk about your experiences with transphobia, just as gay men don’t need a world like lesbophobia to talk about their experiences with homophobia. You can just talk about them, and use the word “transphobia” as a label for it.
And sometimes acknowledging that our experiences of oppression can be similar is useful for solidarity and community building. All trans people are negatively affected by transphobia, and that is the real “transunity.” theory.
Don’t end up like nothorses who once unironically listed “Misgendering over the phone,“ as an example of transandrophobia/transphobia only affecting transmascs.
Words exist in a context
Transandrophobia clearly exists as some transmasc counterpart to the transfem transmisogyny. It was even more obvious when the word was “transmisandry.” Words always exist in a context, and is often built by binaries. How someone who believes it defines transandrophobia does say a lot about how they define transmisogyny.
I’ve already described how if transandrophobia merely means “transmascs specific experiences with transphobia” it doesn’t have much reason to exist. But it also by implication diminishes and reduces transmisogyny. If transandrophobia only means “the transphobia experienced by transmasculine people”, transmisogyny is reduced by implication to only meaning “transphobia experienced by transfeminine people.” It’s another symptom of how tumblr discourse is uninterested in acknowledging misogyny, and in this case that misogyny is intersecting with transphobia in transmisogyny.
And well, if transmisogyny means “an intersection between transphobia and misogyny experienced by transfems” it does imply that transandrophobia also should describe an intersection, for why else does it exist. And we are back to it describing an imaginary intersection between transphobia and misandry, a misogynistic and antifeminist idea.
Who gets to define their own oppression?
Of course I am a trans woman, and I will of course get accused of hating transmascs, and robbing them of their ability to define their own oppression.
I would be more sympathetic to this argument, if transandrophobia theorists didn’t keep on constantly defining transmisogyny as the result of misandry. It is common in these circles for transmascs to reject any tme/tma distinction too. Literally going “I got mistaken for a trans woman once, that means I’m affected by transmisogyny.” There is absolutely zero respecting transfems rights to define their own oppression in transandrophobia circles, so why should I respect theirs?
Seriously, the “transmisogyny is actually misandry” claim just keeps happening. Genderkoolaid did it, the transunity blog too, and this dude who I literally found by browsing the “transmisogyny” tag spewing his misandry nonsense.
The problem with “transmisogyny is misandry, actually” is that misandry isn’t real, men are privileged for being men. Transfems experience oppression because we reject being men and performing masculinity. Men are in fact our oppressor class. When transmisogynists talk derisively about “men who wear dresses and say they are women”, they aren’t saying that being a man is bad (in fact they are often men themselves), it’s that “being amab and rejecting masculinity and manhood and claiming to be a woman is bad.” Its an intersection of transphobia and misogyny.
“Transandrophobia” is seldom just talking about the difficulties of being transmasc, it wants to redefine how transfems think about their oppression as well. And it does so in misgendering and transmisogynistic ways.
The transandrophobia theorists generally ignore the existence of transmisogyny, especially in queer communities. In fact it often implies or outright states that transfems are privileged in the trans/queer communities for being women or feminine, which is bizarre. In reality, Transmisogyny is rife in queer spaces, with “crazy trans woman syndrome” being common.
And it’s not like transandrophobia discourse is immune to that particular syndrome. Transmisogyny-exempt privilege dynamics remain very much in play. Transfems tend to get accused of being transandrophobic. The accusations are framed as “lateral aggression” not oppression, although the tone of these posts suggests “lateral aggression” is another polite euphemism word swap game like misandry for “androphobia.”
It feels like the antifeminist, and specifically anti-transfeminist roots of the whole transandrophobia idea coming to the forefront.
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baradyke · 15 days
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Transunity folks will go on and on about how the statement "trans men aren't oppressed for being men, they are oppressed for being trans" is wrong, and then immediately turn around and, without a hint of irony, say that our oppressors dont oppress trans women for being women, but instead because they are misandrists and see us as men.
They don't see us as men.
They don't treat us like men.
They see us as women they can openly and freely abuse.
Under patriarchy, being a trans woman is one of the worst possible thing you can be, and cis men are pressured to stay in line lest they be treated like the way society treats trans women.
A classic example of this is the practice of "V-coding" trans women in prisons. For those who aren't aware upwards of 80% of transfem inmates get sexually assaulted. Trans women being used to control male prisoners is known as "v-coding" and is so common as to essentially be a defacto part of any trans woman's sentence at this point.
I encourage you all to read more about this, and here's a really good source with more information:
https://www.repository.law.indiana.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1087&context=ijlse
The most relevant portion appears on page 314, where it says the following:
"Even PREA-compliant prison facilities can continue to use sexual violence as a management tool. Correctional officers function as gatekeepers to sexual activity, selectively choosing which sexual activity to write up and which to overlook. One common tactic among men’s prison facilities is “V-coding,” or placing transgender women in cells with aggressive cisgender male inmates (who continuously sexually assault them) as a form of social control. V-coding is so common that it has become “a central part of a transwoman’s sentence.” The stories are all the same. Alexis Giraldo, for instance, was housed with a cisgender male prisoner who had status as an employee. The employee, and eventually one of his friends, requested she live with them. They then started raping her daily. Despite her several requests, she was never moved to a different cell."
Our oppressors don't see us as men.
They don't treat us like men.
They know we are women.
They see us as women.
And they treat us like "girls they can hit".
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baradyke · 16 days
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It was always about painting lesbians as predatory and less-than. It was always about removing our autonomy.
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baradyke · 18 days
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its amazing how anti-intellectual all arguments in favor of "bi lesbians" are. literally no nuance, no actual points, no discussion, no acknowledging opposing views. all they know is parrot that lesbians are TERFs for opposing the label.
idk how people can watch this and pretend this entire thing isnt just an excuse to call any lesbian they dont like a bigot
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baradyke · 26 days
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I’ve always known that to most people Arab lives are not worth mentioning, let alone caring for. But seeing it proved in my lifetime through a literal genocide is actually making me short-circuit. I can’t believe this is happening I can’t believe most aid orgs are withdrawing from Palestine I can’t believe nothing is being done
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baradyke · 1 month
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‘literally every single thing you people say "defines" a woman not inherently applying to cis women’ there’s only one thing- being born with a pussy? as in ASSIGNED FEMALE AT BIRTH? that’s the only thing that makes someone female. why do transwomen have to transition? bc they weren’t assigned female at birth. it’s that simple
intersex cis women exist. intersex trans women exist. assigned gender at birth is not always equal to genitals, that is why we say afab/amab and cafab/camab. human sex is so much more incredibly nuanced it's like you people are obtuse on purpose
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do you not understand the difference between the policing of cis women's femininity and misdirected transmisogyny. like there is a clear obvious difference in someone harassing a cis woman because she's too masculine or hairy and being vigilant over whether or not they have a penis and reacting violently because of it
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baradyke · 1 month
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at the risk of stirring up controversy… some of you are getting a little too comfortable saying “all sexuality is fluid” :/ like yeah sexuality in general is fluid, sure, of course, but some of you are really out here preaching that no one is fully gay. which is. homophobic. like you guys get that right. if what you’re saying can be boiled down to “maybe you just haven’t met the right man yet” but dressed up in woke language, that’s just straight up classic homophobia. some people are 100% gay (or straight). and if that’s incompatible with your worldview… maybe you should re-examine some things.
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baradyke · 1 month
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why “allosexual privilege” isnt real and why everyone (ace or not) is punished for their sexual (or nonsexual) expression because of the fact that sexual expression is used to justify violence for other existing power structures and because sexual expression itself is not an arbiter of privilege
I think the thing so many aces miss in the conversation about the way society views sex is that yes, you’re 100% right in the fact that we live in a highly sexual society! You cant watch a TV show these days without being blindsided with sex scenes that you (or anyone else) never asked for.
But that doesnt mean that everyone who isnt asexual benefits from these things either. The assumption that there is some sort of privilege with being non-ace because of the amount of sexual content we are exposed to all the time is just a misinterpretation of reality.
Because really the only people whose sex is socially acceptable is straight white cis men. Just because we all see sex everywhere doesnt mean that all people are materially or socially rewarded for having sex. Whether or not the type/frequency someone has sex is entirely based upon other factors, almost always reliant upon other existing oppressions like racism, sexism, transphobia, etc.
Being averse to the sex we are shown frequently in advertisements, movies, and other forms of media is not a product of being ace. It’s a product of being something other than a cishet, white, able-bodied, upper-middle class man. Having sex, wanting sex, seeking out sex, and having sexual feelings are not things people in general are rewarded for. They are things oppressors are rewarded for as an expression of dominance and freedom over the oppressed.
Ask yourself this: when I think about who experiences societal benefits for having/wanting/seeking out sex, am I thinking about the general population or only a specific subset of people? Does every individual reap some sort of benefit from being non-asexual, or is it actually entirely dependent on other factors?
Are black men rewarded for having/wanting/seeking out sex, or are they demonized as predators that need to be stopped to protect white womens virtue and often punished for sexual behavior they didnt even engage in?
Are trans women rewarded for having/wanting/seeking out sex, or are they similarly seen as predators out to “trick” cis men into sleeping with them, or even reduced entirely down to a sexual fantasy (“autogynephilia”) instead of understood as actual human beings who might just have human desires?
Are gay men rewarded for having/wanting/seeking out sex, or are they at best mocked and emasculated for being “effeminate” and at worst sent to conversion therapy or killed to curb their sexual desires?
Are disabled people rewarded for having/wanting/seeking out sex, or do disabled people actually experience some of the highest rates of forced sterilization, alongside immigrants and native peoples, to take away their reproductive rights and take away their sexual agency, or turned into a fetish for an able-bodied person to get off on?
Are bi women rewarded for having/wanting/seeking out sex, or are they actually dehumanized, subject to the highest rates of IPV in the LGBT community because of their perceived hypersexual nature, and literally seen as sex toys incapable of having boundaries by straight couples looking for a ~freaky~ night?
What about all LGBT people in conversion therapy, is them wanting to fuck other people of the same gender helping them or is the entire program designed to traumatize them out of that desire?
Are black women rewarded for having/wanting/seeking out sex, or are they too highly sexualized and dehumanized, viewed as hypersexual and mannish, painted as “welfare queens” trying to “trap” a man into 18 years child support?
What about all women in general? Are women rewarded for having/wanting/seeking out sex, or are they literally told from the age of twelve that having sex is like being a piece of gum that has been chewed, or a flower that has been crushed, or a piece of tape stuck to skin that will lose its adhesive, or that sexually active women are sluts and that they are “asking” for abuse, or that their unwanted pregnancies are “punishment” for sexual promiscuity and they deserve to be saddled with a child they cannot afford, do not want, are unable to care for, etc in an attempt to stop them from behaving in that behavior?
Who actually experiences any sort of benefit for being a sexual person? Is it anyone who experiences sexual attraction, or only people with other specific privileges who are allowed to express their sexual desires without punishment? And if having sexual feelings/desires/attractions actually doesn’t automatically grant somebody more privileges in society, if it is something dependent on other factors and something that is actually used to punish marginalized people, then how can anyone claim that having those sexual feelings is a privilege? Does that even make sense? Does it even make sense to divide society into two classes of people and claim that the one that experiences no actual benefit by virtue of their sexual attraction alone has privilege over the other? Does that seem like a useful line to draw in terms of privilege considering whether or not someone is punished or rewarded for their sexual behavior has nothing to do with the act of engaging in that behavior and everything to do with who it is engaging in that behavior?
Wouldnt it follow that the sex we are all exposed to is not a result of sexual attraction being a unuversslly rewarded experience or behavior, but actually a symptom of already existing oppressive structures that allow those who are not punished for their sexual attractions, the cishet abelbodied wealthy white men, to be in charge of the media? Wouldnt it follow that we see all that sex not because society as a whole is enjoying and benefitting from it, but because the sex is put there specifically by the people who enjoy and benefit from it because they are otherwise privileged?
And none of that is to say somebody cannot be punished for not experiencing sexual attractions in a similar manner to how somebody can be punished for their sexual attractions. Any expression of sexuality (or lackthereof) that goes against the desires of the oppressor will be punished. That includes women who dont want to have sex with their boyfriends, men whose lack of sexual desires makes them a target with their peers because of their inability to fulfill their dominsnt role as a man, trans women who refuse to be seen as sex objects for straight men to use and abuse, lesbians who do not want to sleep with men, bi women who do not want to be in threesomes with random couples, etc.
Any expression of sexuality can be used as an excuse to justify violence, but it isnt the expression of sexuality that incites that violence; it is who is engaging in that expression of sexuality is allowed or not allowed to based on existing privileges. Sex, and lackthereof, has always been a weapon for justifying and enacting violence against oppressed peoples, not the driving cause behind being oppressed or privileged.
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baradyke · 1 month
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i'm actually so fucking sick of zionists using phrases such as "Was it worth it, Hamas?" cause literally what the fuck are y'all yapping about??? Israel has been indiscriminately bombing gaza in front of our eyes since last October, Israel has murdered more than 30 thousands Palestinians within 5 months, Israel is forcefully starving gaza, Israel is the one committing war crimes everyday, Israel is continuing genocide and ethnic cleansing. Israel. is. illegally. occupying. Palestine.
we all know who are the perpetrators here. and zionists can't gaslight people into "hamas started it" bullshit anymore. everyone is actually sick of Israel's dumb colonialism propaganda where they just repeat same old tactics “how dare you palestinians resist us, after we have your stolen land, freedom, human rights and subjugated your people under fascist colonial regime.”
Israel carry out atrocities in broad daylight and then go ahead blame Palestinian resistance for the said act of savagery they've performed, "O their audacity!" indeed!
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baradyke · 1 month
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Simmering with rage. WE HAVE A LABEL THAT MEANS EXCLUSIVELY WLW.
ITS LESBIAN
WHY AM I BEING ASKED TO ABANDON MY IDENTITY SO THAT OTHER PEOPLE CAN BE MORE COMFORTABLE COLONIZING IT.
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baradyke · 2 months
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Bi women say lesbians are gross and wonder why we don't like them
i don't want to make any gross generalizations here but i do think it's that specific type of bisexual girl that perpetuates lesbophobia who also complain about lesbians who are les4les as if they aren't the reason
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baradyke · 2 months
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and very, very often, self care is not plants and ice rollers and fluffy blankets of peace.
it’s standing over your kitchen sink and crying while doing the dishes because you just want to go back to bed but the dishes need done. and you don’t know why you’re crying but you're trusting you need it. and you aren’t listening to the music that pulls you into a spiral; you’re listening to some cheerful shit your friend sent you. it’s getting up and staring at your fridge and closing your eyes and then cooking yourself food even though you hate it and it’s miserable. because you know that you’d cook for your friend, and you are trying to befriend yourself. it’s dragging yourself into the shower because you know you’ll feel better afterwards. it’s doing mundane tasks with patience, cursing under your breath, trying desperately to give yourself grace. grace is the beginning of care. care is the beginning of love.
we think it’s supposed to be peace and yet the most powerful self care moments are when we hate everything but especially ourselves. and life does not feel worth the loving. to look into that pain and yet choose to care for yourself in however many pieces you are — that is care. love. grace. trust. belief. it hurts because it’s love where there was no love before. it heals because it believes there will be love, one day, soon.
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baradyke · 2 months
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'transmisogyny hurts cis women' that's just... misogyny? misogyny is real and affects far more marginalized people than transmisogyny? why do u only care about actual women as our oppression pertains to trans women?
transmisogyny hurts cis women because you people are so fucking hypervigilant when it comes to what YOU think qualifies as a woman to the point where many cis women suffer the consequences of it as well. butch/gnc women in bathrooms being mistaken for trans women and verbally/physically assaulted, women of color being treated as having "too masculine" features and being transvestigated. cis women allies being thought to secretly be trans women (like lady gaga) because why would a cis woman EVER support trans women unless they were one of them, right?? also. literally every single thing you people say "defines" a woman not inherently applying to cis women. cis women grow facial hair, are infertile, have no periods, are intersex, have flat chests, have thick body hair, have no curves, have high testosterone levels/low estrogen levels. the list literally goes on and on and on
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baradyke · 2 months
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i'm not engaging in t3rf ragebait in my inbox, thanks 🫶
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baradyke · 2 months
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this reminds me of a tiktok i saw the other day of a cis bi girl venting about biphobia from lesbians and ended it with "and they wonder why we date men" and this is something i honestly see a lot. they love to use it as an excuse to talk about how evil and mean lesbians are when their cishet boyfriends are far more likely to perpetuate that same exact biphobia! but maybe it's just ok to them because men use bisexuality to their advantage to fetishize their girlfriends having sex with other women instead of having to be held accountable for their own lesbophobia and misogyny.
and like obviously most bi women aren't like this, i have dated bi people who were not like this, but i've known so many (specifically cis) bi women who will flat out say things like "girls are pretty but vaginas are so gross and weird" or like the person in the reply said, countless variations of "i could have sex with a woman but i could never date one/fall in love with one" or vice versa. and don't forget "men are just easier!" when lesbians will tell you TO your face that they're interested. like you can't just go demonize other women for giving up and going les4les when wlw relationships are not treated seriously (or sometimes too seriously, like it's some sacred thing that needs to be perfect. like wlw relationships aren't allowed to just be treated like normal.)
and it's just so frustrating how men aren't ever able to be decentered from the conversation. we will always be compared to their boyfriends, whether for better or worse, we will forever have the misogyny they adopted from their sexist boyfriends projected onto us, we will forever be seen as the more "difficult" option for them.
not sure where i'm going with this i'm mostly just yapping at this point but it just sucks that everywhere but lesbian spaces we're treated as lesser and then they get mad when we want to exclusively date other lesbians for our safety and emotional wellbeing.
the discourse around being dyke for dyke or les for les is genuinely so fucking stupid. if it can be as normal as it is for so many bisexual women to go on the internet and talk about how they could never date women because they are so scary and a SMALL percent of lesbians can’t say they have a dating preference. yes biphobia for sure can be rude and real but biphobia isn’t a system of oppression yes bisexuals can face homophobia but to act like you have some specific disadvantage because some lesbians won’t date you is wild.
it’s also always to unicorn hunters who have the most shit to say 😭
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baradyke · 2 months
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Disabled people have to live somewhere poor people have to live somewhere you cant just exclude us from everywhere
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baradyke · 2 months
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there's something very uniquely evil in the fact that the food aid dropped to gazans by the US wasn't halal
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