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#good omens #we've barked at each other for a long time

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I just....something that bothers me from time to time...Crowley knows that Heaven doesn't do choices, right? And that no matter what they agreed to after the botched execution, they still think of Aziraphale as Their Property, right? I just...he knows, doesn't he? Heaven. Doesn't. Do. Choices.

Not for angels anyway.

Re this:

Screenshot by @di-42

He is SO BRILLIANT. Especially under pressure. He knows, right?? Right??

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I have been thinking about Jesus role in the third season so much lately. About the perspectives of him being the same person as one who died on the cross, to be precise. The same "very bright young man", in Crowley's words...

Where has he been for last two thousand years? Was he in Heaven? What does he think about it - I doubt it's anything positive…

What does he, a man who died so people could be saved, actually think about ending all life on Earth - especially after being in Heaven and knowing what it's like in reality?

What feelings does Jesus have about Judas? Would be a story about his betrayal a little more complicated than a "canon" one (there are already a lot of retellings of Judas' motives, after all)? Will there be present an idea similar to Neil's Murder mysteries - it doesn't matter what Judas' crime was, the fact that he was pushed into doing something to get the Great Plan going and then was eternally punished for it, is extremely fucked up?

What feelings, exactly,does Jesus has about the concept of forgiveness, after having two thousand years to think about it? Not only for humans - but for angels and demons too. He knew Crowley - did he like him as a person? What did he feel after finding out this is an unforgivable demon who is supposed to suffer forever?

Does he want the Second Coming to happen? Or does he dream about going back on Earth, to run on water and eat as much figs as he wants (you can get it all year round in supermarket now, there's no need to curse a tree for not having it!) - but without ending it? Or maybe he wants to do something more… extreme, something that will destroy the Great Plan once and for all? Will he try to get aziracrow's help - or will he try to run away from at least Aziraphale, being convinced that a Supreme Archangel is the one who would want Heaven's version of The Second Coming to happen the most?

"Wait and see", of course, "wait and see"….

#good omens #good omens season 3 #good omens theory #jesus good omens #yes I'm talking about murder mysteries in the context of good omens again

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Are you concerned about the next season of GO given you lost your director and the two lead actors have fallen out? Especially after working so hard to finish the story you and Terry envisioned?

I'm trying to figure out which two lead actors you're worried about here. David and Michael are still very much in love, after all.

We have a terrific director on board, so I'm not concerned about that.

I'll be concerned about the scripts until they are done and I know the story works (it's more than half-written). But I'll be concerned about that until the whole thing is shot and ready to be broadcast.

#terrific director? #that's new

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I'm like 90% certain that Michael's ambitions in S2 is a Chekhov Gun to them being the one to hate The Metatron's choice the most. And what will it bring to us? We'll wait and see....

It's important to remember that among TV!series angel it were Michael, Uriel, Gabriel and Sandalphone who were brought from the ideas of never-happened sequel. Muriel and Saraqael were created later, for S2 (and some of Saraqael's lines initially belonged to Sandalphone). It doesn't mean these two won't be important in S3 - but I suspect that some of characters who were intended to be a part of a sequel from the earliest stages should be at least as much important in an implementation of that sequel as characters who were created much later.

So... Michael

As in the archangel Michael, as in the smartest ones in the room when Aziraphale's not in the room, as in clever ambitious Michael who wants to be Supreme Archangel but somehow the Metatron finds the idea ridiculous when Aziraphale suggests it.

What is their deal, exactly?

In season one they seemed like a bit of an apple polisher, sneaking around and snitching on Aziraphale. But the tone they took when speaking to him was almost kind, in a patronizing sort of way.

"We'll be most understanding when you fail." They weren't mocking him; they just believed whole heartedly in the Great Plan and assumed that he was wasting his time for a good cause.

"Aziraphale, it's time to choose sides." Knowing her back channel to hell, I'm tempted to think this was Michael-ese for "I get it, demons are hot af, but let's not get crazy here."

Also Michael didn't stick around to watch "Aziraphale" step into the hellfire. I'm sure they could have said "Don't start without me" if they'd wanted to see the show, but they didn't. We didn't see them in heaven at all during that entire sequence. Weak stomach, guilty conscience, or am I overthinking?

I feel very strongly that Michael's ambition was an underutilized device in season two. They showed it to us but then didn't do anything with it. They did show us Michael giving Uriel the side eye when they called Aziraphale "the traitor." And then another, shorter glance when they said "the demon." What was that about? It wasn't exactly a controversial opinion.

Michael is going to hate that Aziraphale is the Supreme Archangel. Aziraphale is going to hate being the Supreme Archangel. I sense common ground in season three.

Anyway, that's it. No solid theories, just some random thoughts. And a gif of Dagon being a total simp because it's hot.

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Gabriel’s (missing) cross

Let’s put everything we know about that spooky statue of the Archangel Gabriel in one thread to make the conversation about its possible meaning as a Good Omens 3 clue more structured. Starting off with the relevant part of the official commentary from X-Ray:

Douglas Mackinnon got one thing wrong in his part of the interview — Gabriel wasn’t carved by “some guy in Italy,” but a British sculptor and prop maker David Field working as a part of the team at 3DEye in London.

Technically speaking, it’s a gorgeous piece of hand-carved expanded polystyrene with a clay sculpted head on top of it — even if the Archangel’s smug likeness isn’t that pleasant to look at, all things considered. The scenic artists from 3DEye made it look like stone afterwards.

The body itself took ten days to sculpt and is a faithful copy of the famous statue on Ponte Sant'Angelo in Rome called Angel with the Cross by Ercole Ferrata. It stands on the inscription “Cuius principatus super humerum eius” (“Whose government shall be upon His shoulder”, Isaiah 9:16), and this quote makes much more sense for Gabriel than the cross in his hands. The usual iconography of the Archangel uses a trumpet or a white lily instead.

Ponte Sant'Angelo was originally used to expose the heads of those sentenced to death — each of the angelic statues on it carry Arma Christi, the Instruments of the Passion. Like the Second Coming, what seems to be a hopeful message to the Chosen Ones can also be a warning for the others.

The statue of Gabriel, first shown in full in the cemetery scene of the Good Omens 2 title sequence, reappears at the very end as a part of the bridge leading to the biggest Easter egg — at least according to Peter Anderson, the animator behind it — which is the lift in the background, implying how we’re getting closer towards the Second Coming. Notice how the cross broke down in half at some point between these two scenes!

And it disappears in the plot as well: Gabriel’s memory depicts it only from his point of view, with the camera deliberately moving slightly to the right and stopping at his eye level. The centered, establishing shots show the statue with empty hands as a bookend.

I believe that this cross is meant to serve as a foreshadowing, a reminder of the absolution of sins and eternal life through Christ’s sacrifice and Second Coming. We see it only through Gabriel and Aziraphale’s eyes — when Beelzebub looks at the statue, the cross is not there.

As seen in the BTS photos and videos, it’s not an editing error, but a deliberate positioning of the physical props on set. The cross was clearly meant to be a removable part of the statue and displayed in a specific way to convey a message to the audience.

The question remains: is it a reassurance, something to look forward to, or maybe rather a warning?

Not helpfully at all, the traditional use of angelic imagery in Christian cemeteries matches both interpretations.

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Watching.

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Mr. Gaiman, is there any advice you would give to a fellow human being? (asking for a friend)

Be kind.

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These two things actually might coexist.

Crowley might have done something bad (or at least not really good) before the Fall, and be cast out because of it – we don’t really know anything about it yet. He’s also not always the best person even in the present and in shown events, let’s be objective here.

Does it mean that what he did pre-Fall was that bad that Crowley deserved eternal damnation for it? Like, eternal damnation, without second chance? And does Crowley being not perfect means that he’s bad in any way, doesn’t deserve any kind of forgiveness etc?

The answer is obviously “no” – people should be allowed to make mistakes and being imperfect without falling into the pool of boiling sulphur every time they mess up. The real question is – how exactly Aziraphale see it? Is there any kind of “of course Crowley couldn’t have done anything actually bad, his Fall must have been just some kind of bureaucratic mistake” inside him?

There is a certain theory in the fandom that Aziraphale might see angel!Crowley files in Heaven in S3 – and see how he fell ‘for nothing’ and become really angry and disappointed in Heaven/God. But in my opinion it would be much more interesting from the point of Aziraphale’s character development if he saw in this files angel!Crowley actually doing something controversial at best, and still went “actually, he still didn’t deserve any of it and God still was wrong in punishing him that hard”.  It also would be a much more interesting from the point of Crowley's character imo....

Azi thinks that Crowley is too good to be a demon and that he must to return to Heaven

But Neil says that Crowley was never quite as good even as he likes to maintain

I have to think about these two takes

#good omens #crowley #aziraphale #aziracrow #ineffable husbands

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Good Omens, a comedy. (🫣)

#it's horrible #i love you op

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The place in the South Downs where Aziraphale and Crowley might settle down after season three (or during S3?) is Devil's Dyke:

And Devil's Dyke is known to be a nice place for a picnic:

And....welll, you know it. Aziraphale's dream.

Is this how their story will end - with a picnic at Devil's Dyke?

....And yes, I do have this half-conspiracy theory (that will never get to be confirmed) that some moments and lines in S1's script were supposed to be some kind of references to never-written sequel plot points that only Gaiman himself will understand at the time. And now they can become a foreshadowing to S3.

The book and S1 ended with Aziraphale and Crowley dining at the Ritz - what if the sequel was always supposed to end with them having a picnic, and that exact line was always supposed to reference it - even if at the point of writing script it was still a "it will never be written, but in my head it's what eventually will happen"?

#good omens #aziraphale #crowley #good omens theory #ineffable husbands #aziracrow

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Telling Crowley "If you kill him [Adam], then the world gets a reprieve and Heaven does not have blood on its hands" in the bandstand argument was objectively shitty from Aziraphale's side*, I'm not going to pretend it wasn't mean and sanctimoniously.

*It might be or might be not an indirect answer to Crowley's attitude being, in Neil's words, "the end justified the murder, as long as he didn't have to do it" and Crowley starting the whole "you should kill the boy". But still, it was very mean.

However, I think, it's should be noticed more that after saying that Aziraphale:

Didn't tell Crowley anything about Adam, instead of, like, saying "there are The Antichrist's name and address, do whatever you want with it, I won't put blood on my holy hands" and actually putting Crowley through this choice. And with Aziraphale knowing about Adam's whereabouts, yet intentionally hiding it from Crowley, all of these were nothing but empty words.

Spent the entire next episode (S1E4) specifically trying to convince Heaven to kill The Antichrist and put blood on their hands. Judging by the way Aziraphale rehearsed his conversation with Gabriel ('we just have to eliminate him now") he didn't think that Heaven's way of dealing with the Antichrist (if they actually decided to prevent Armageddon) would have been "just convince him to not destroy the world", yet he was determined to call God and convince Her to do something.

Was anything of it good ideas? Of course, no (but it's not like there were any really good choices of what to do at all; even killing Adam wasn't actually that great of an idea). But I think this is a very interesting example of "what Aziraphale says VS what does he really do".

#good omens #aziraphale #good omens meta #is it a defense post? idk #It's not even about defending or blaming #I just think it is a very interesting nuance that (understandably) might skip some people's head

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There must be a moment in S3 where Aziraphale, who just got out from Heaven. gets to eat something for the first time since stepping into that elevator. and I'm not even talking about Crowley's lips here

The poor angel did not eat anything during the entire second season in the present (except, perhaps, those eccles cakes and the ill-fated coffee), and then he had to go to Heaven for who knows for how long (maybe even for a few years). Imagine how hungry he must be by S3!

Bonus point if the food is brought by Crowley.

...They might not even fully make up at that point yet. But they are working together again and Aziraphale is distressed about something Second Coming-related and can't think straight; and Crowley just can't find a better way to make angel's mind work again than just silently stop at some supermarket and find something to nibble. And Aziraphale, who didn't thought about food for 3 years, because there were too many other things to worry about, looks at it, looks at Crowley (who is silent, or grumpy, or somehow tsundere-ish with "I'm only doing it so we can continue our job to say the world"), and just. Gets overwhelmed.

#good omens #aziraphale #crowley #ineffable husbands #good omens season 3 #good omens headcanons #(am I writing this after not eating for 8 hours? yes)

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This might be a reach, but...

I was thinking about this moment:

And am I the only one to find it interesting that Saraqael here is reminding Crowley about his past as an angel (and nebulas, that were his passion back then) just a couple of hours before the offer is made to take Crowley back to that past? And Saraqael does react to his answer?

Now, I'm not in a team "trust Saraqael" - I am in a team "don't ever trust the security officer of an opressive system however friendly they might appear to be, unless you know their full motivation". We don't know any of Saraqael's motives - yet we can see, for example, that them letting Crowley looking into Gabriel's files actually led to Heaven finding out what happened to the former Supreme Archangel.

We also can see just a minute from this moment that Heaven as a place does have video surveillance:

So...what if Saraqael is directly subordinate to The Metatron and here they do follow his orders? What if these words ("remember how you was an angel and how much you enjoyed making nebulas?") was spoken with a purpose to see Crowley's reaction to it? Will there be some kind of regret, or shame, or anger - or just indifference?

What if his reaction was recorded in a real time and was quickly analysed by The Metatron himself, so he could imagine how Crowley feels about his angelhood in the present, and act accordingly?

#good omens #good omens season 2 #good omens s2 #crowley #metatron good omens #saraqael good omens #good omens theory

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y'know it IS possible to take the final fifteen at emotional face value and STILL believe there's more going on than the immediately obvious. it IS possible to say that aziraphale knew he was essentially being threatened and didn't have a choice but to accept the offer and STILL believe the devastation and heartbreak (and the desire to take crowley with him!) was real. it IS possible to acknowledge that he did look nervously sideways multiple times during their conversation because he was scared of crowley's confession being overheard and STILL believe what was being spoken by both of them was the raw and vulnerable truth. it IS possible to understand that making crowley an angel again was perceived as restorative justice in aziraphale's eyes (and that his entire brain was fried the moment this offer was suddenly on the table) and STILL believe him thinking this was a viable solution was utterly misguided and inappropriate and hurtful towards crowley. it IS possible to say that there are many layers to this scene and STILL believe that none of it was acted or fake or a ploy. etc etc etc