i hate when shows says something and then later on do the opposite and create plot holes.
unless it’s Red Dwarf. the show is inherently paradoxical it could have 42000 plot holes and i would defend them all.
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Lister is saving all his money to buy a farm on Fiji, Rimmer already has thousands stashed away. Lister wants to take care of everything for the one he loves, Rimmer wants the nurture his family never provided. Rimmer has proven he's willing to sacrifice his career for love, all Lister has ever wanted is a quiet family life where he makes enough to get by and help people.
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just realised i never post this drawing that i kept referring to as 'boy band lister' lol
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i literally cannot stress enough how holly from red dwarf is actually trans. like this isnt subtext if anything its pretty much the opposite. she just canonically suddenly transes her gender and no one even brings it up
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…because I like eating fish!
I love Cat so much.
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Okay, here's the post I promised based on @ocean--grey 's poll! So if anyone randomly finds this and is confused, the poll was a question about who makes Lister feel the worst about himself: Low Lister, Sebastian Doyle, or the brain-in-a-jar from "Out of Time." I went tag crazy in my reblog, and this is just what didn't fit 🤣
So, Lister was ganged up on and victimized by all of the Lows in a scene that has to have been one of the most disturbing things that ever happened to him. But one small, probably unintentional detail that I'm going to emphasize is this: all of the Lows were working together, and reasonably well. They all teamed up against him, a solid team, 4 against 1.
And so, I find it FASCINATING that this episode directly follows "Terrorform" and "Quarantine," two episodes that heavily emphasize the everyone vs Rimmer dynamic.
Social patterns can be brutal. At the end of the day, there's very little that makes people feel more together than disliking the same person, especially if they can feel justified about it. And Rimmer is extremely easy to dislike, justifiably.
But unlike Cat and Kryten, who have fairly simple relationships with Rimmer (they know they need him there, and he has a couple redeeming qualities, but they genuinely dislike him), Lister actually sees Rimmer as a human being, with feelings that matter. He wouldn't have chosen to have this guy play a huge role in his life, but he does care about him.
And, sometimes, he treats Rimmer terribly.
It's usually not just him. It's him, the Cat, and Kryten playing off of each other, having Rimmer be the odd-man-out. And he gives as good as he gets, so it probably feels fine, mostly. You can't say that Rimmer doesn't deserve to have his own terrible actions thrown into his face, now and then.
Rimmer was exhibiting some horrid behavior in "Quarantine." His treatment of the rest of the crew before the virus set in was vindictive and petty in really destructive ways. But it was also a direct reaction to his peers talking about shutting him down. (Notably, this was right after an episode where they all pretended to like him, then threw it back in his face.) He probably saw that as a genuine threat to his life, and responded to it the way he's been conditioned to, since he was a kid: weaponize rules, use every scrap of power you have, no one else will help you.
Lister has come to understand Rimmer pretty well by this point in the show. He understands that "the wrong parents" doesn't just mean that Rimmer is ambitious and vain; he knows the guy survived some genuine, serious abuse. (Notably, he's the only character who looked disturbed at Rimmer's Uncle Frank story. Even Rimmer didn't recognize how messed up that was.) Everyone has seen Rimmer at his worst, but Lister has seen him at some of his best, like in "Marooned" when he waxes poetic about friendship and sacrifice, and wants to mirror what he saw as an act of selflessness. Lister knows how badly Rimmer craves acceptance and respect, and knows that he's actually capable of being decent under the right circumstances.
But he doesn't exactly keep that knowledge at the front of his mind. Very understandable, when your bunkmate, say, locks everyone in a room for weeks without entertainment or decent food. And it's especially easy to forget about when you're with two other people who can't stand the guy.
But I think sometimes, when the others aren't there, he remembers that Rimmer is a very miserable, lonely person, who faces almost constant antagonism from everybody in his life. He brings it on himself, but I don't think Lister wants to be a person who enjoys teaming up with his buddies to pick on the group misfit.
And yet, in series 4 and 5 especially, he kinda IS that person.
And I can't help but wonder if his treatment at the hands of the Low crew (ganged up on, having his autonomy taken away, being bombarded with everything he hates about himself) wasn't, in part, a reflection of the way he feels about all that subconsciously.
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Hey guys I (has spent a long time wondering why esperanto is both the name of the language rimmer fails to speak and the name of the ship in back to reality) (remembers that esperanto is the name of a real language that translates to One Who Hopes) (remembers that in back to reality it's established that the word esperanto means hope) (remembers the freshly dug hope grave in terrorform) (realizes that hope is a language rimmer has never managed to learn) I think i hauve covid.
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i think one of the craziest things in the whole red dwarf franchise that nobody ever talks about is one specific part of the trixie labouche saga. i could go on and on about how ??🏳️🌈? it is that everyone thought lister had an affair with rimmer but the thing that i'm most fixated on is how rimmer as trixie labouche chose to prove he knew lister. he cited two small moles on his left shoulder. am i insane or is that absolutely insane ? like that's such a specific intimate detail. i'm a pretty observant person but i wouldn't be able to remember two small moles hidden on someone's left shoulder whether i lived with them or not. PLUS they'd been separated in the game for over a year at that point? and rimmer still remembered ? this tiny detail of lister's body ?? why was he sitting there staring at and MEMORIZING lister's naked shoulders. i feel absolutely crazy
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