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Cyclical Systems

This will mention RAMCOA, trauma, and trauma responses. All are fairly light and have no explicit details.

Traumaversaries

The traumaversary effect is possible in any kind of system— a trigger stemming from years of reoccurring trauma on a particular date or other predetermined cycle (moon phases, spring break, holidays).

While RAMCOA isn’t the only cause of anniversary reactions, survivors of this type of abuse frequently discover them internally.

The first layer is derived from PTSD, and applies to singlets as well as systems. These periods are marked by emotional and sometimes physical discomfort, flashbacks in several forms, and heightened trauma responses during the given frame.

The second is how this interacts with CDDs. Alters split during the trigger time may be more active at front and in the system at large, as well as alters who formed afterwards for the same purpose. Groups become more visible as their event nears and passes, which can present as full cyclical rotations.

Rotational Groups

Alter groups also sometimes occupy their own space in the internal world, and often have lower amnesia barriers between each other than the rest of the system. Lower amnesia doesn’t necessarily mean low amnesia, but particularly high barriers elsewhere can make minimal communication better than normal.

Some systems have internal structures that create the rotations, often visualized as compartments or a wheel. Others have hidden crannies where groups are kept separate. This is particularly true of RAMCOA systems who have high degrees of enforced complexity and whose abusers have reason to maintain secrecy.

Other regular shifts can be seasonal (for trauma or comfort or something else entirely), social (responsibilities and relational roles), daily (morning prep, work/school, evening relaxation, bedtime), etc.

Polyfrag systems or those with high headcounts tend to fall into these rotations more easily, but any level of dissociation or number of alters can have them. Off-cycle system mates may fade into the background or go temporarily dormant. All of that is fine and normal unless the system desires change.

Possible Changes

Breaking rotations is different depending on the cycle and reasons it exists at all. Trauma has to be worked through if present. Deprogramming may need to take place if externally placed. Some systems can just agree to move their schedules around and be done with it.

Electing or contacting a leader/representative is a good first step. The process to getting there takes care of technicalities like communication within and outside the group. Improving living conditions if there are issues, prioritizing safety and security over results.

Making cyclical groups healthy is another process. Again, deprogramming if MC is a factor. Always trauma work. The distinction is that they are groups, and have to work as their own system before they are expected to flow with other system members.

Adjustments can be made to make shifts more flexible and incorporate more/different alters to help. This is another step which may not be needed for the system, but can help loosen routines and help the end goal of having everyone well and working together.

Both goals have similar components, and the methods are more alike than not. The individualization is what makes them unique. It’s a process, and it might take a long time to work out.

Basically, trauma sucks and your system might be moving on purpose. Decide if you have these grouping and make changes accordingly.

#firstly i wanna rb this because its really useful info #secondly i wanna say that holy shit this explains something our system experiences #i wont go into detail because of our anonymity on this account #but Oh

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Hey there!

So our system is more prone to introjects, which makes me (host) feel invalid and oftentimes confused on if it's an introject or if I'm just having strong attachments to characters

I know the brain can't really make new people from complete scratch, it has to use things it knows (like certain traits from different people and things etc) and have heard being autisic can make introjects more common due to latching to media and stuff as comfort, but I feel like I've noticed more introjects than brainmade (though I'm not 100% aware of everyone who's in the system)

Is there anything that could be said to help reassure us possibly? Or anything?

Thank you so much, and hopefully this made some sense

Hi anon! Thank you for giving me an excuse to make a post about introject-heavy systems!

So firstly, yes, autistic and ADHD people are more likely to be introject(specifically fictive)-heavy since the presence of special interests and hyperfixations alongside DID's dissociation can easily lead to dissociating to media that is the object of a SpIn or hyperfix. Really any system who tends to dissociate to/fixate on media is more likely to have more introjects.

And yes, it's a very real and valid experience to have more introjects than brainmade alters. We personally have more introjects than brainmades by quite a bit.

Fun fact for C-DID systems; fragments can tend to be introjects in some systems because it's easier for them to mimic an existing identity to fill the gap of them not having a fully formed one already. We have a lot of introject fragments who essentially grabbed the first existing identity they could, which incidentally makes it rather hard for us to tell who is and isn't a fragment 😭!

(Also, some polyfrag systems may experience that their fragments will introject a certain identity for a bit, but it doesn't 'stick' for whatever reason, leading the system to believe they are rapidly forming and subsequently losing introjects, when in reality it's fragments trying on new identities like clothes until something fits!)

Introjects are not a sign of faking, no matter how many. I've met systems who are 100% introjects, and that's perfectly valid! Introjects aren't any less than brainmade alters, and there's no validity or lackthereof attached to them.

Yes, even systems full of DSMP/MCYT introjects are valid. I'd just like to put that out there.

Hope this helped, anon! If I missed anything feel free to lmk, my responses to asks will likely be less formatted and planned than my standalone posts.

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The Basics of DID/OSDD

DID, or Dissociative Identity Disorder, is a trauma-caused disorder that forms in early childhood, anywhere before the age of 9 (cutoff age is debated but the typical range is before age 6-9, but some people extend it to 10 because that's the typical age where your identity starts forming independant of your primary caregivers)

Most of the established and spread facts about DID come from the Theory of Structural Dissociation (TOSD)

Here's a good resource explaining The TOSD:

To sum things up, there are levels of dissociation that can occur, and disorders that fall into each level. The lowest end of this spectrum is PTSD, and the highest is DID. Here's a graphic of those levels, and I'll go into each disorder briefly:

Altered States

Altered states are normal, and likely to occur in everyone at some point. No trauma is required to cause these states. Altered states include normal daydreaming (not including MaDD which is disordered)

Primary Dissociation

Primary Dissociation occurs in people with PTSD. This presents as having one ANP (Apparantly Normal Part, aka you) and one EP (Emotional Part, which occurs when having PTSD flashbacks)

This level is specifically for single-event PTSD, as C-PTSD falls under the next level:

Secondary Dissociation

Complex-PTSD falls under this level because of the occurance of multiple EPs, but still one ANP. These EPs are for a myriad of traumas a person with C-PTSD has experienced.

Dissociative Disorders

This is where we start touching on systems. This level includes OSDD and UDD.

OSDD (Otherwise Specified Dissociative Disorder) is a bit of an umbrella disorder, and it encapsulates multiple different types of OSDD. The one you've most likely heard of is OSDD1b, but I'll go into all of them.

OSDD1a is a disorder in which a person has multiple identity states but they lack distinction. They have intense enough amnesia to qualify for DID, but their identity states aren't differentiated enough to fully qualify for DID. This can sometimes (not always, of course) present as multiple identity states that are all one person, just at different ages when trauma happened.

OSDD1b is a disorder in which a person has multiple identity states that qualify for DID, but have no amnesia. A common misconception is that to be diagnosed with DID, you have to have blackout amnesia (will explain amnesia types later in the post), but any type of amnesia can qualify. OSDD1b is for systems who have absolutely no amnesia.

OSDD2 is a disorder in which there are identity disturbances and dissociation caused by brainwashing, torture, cults, and things of that sort. From what I understand, OSDD2 occurs after the cutoff age of DID or OSDD1, hence why this disorder does not cause a system.

OSDD3 seems to be a temporary diagnosis for symptoms of dissociation, derealization, depersonalization, amnesia, sudden loss of motor skills, ect for less than one month, occuring directly after a traumatic event. If the symptoms persist after this one month period, another diagnosis may be looked at.

OSDD-4 is a disorder in which people experience dissociative trances that do not have any known cause. People slip in and out of these trance states, often unaware of their environment while in them, and may "come to" confused and with amnesia from their time in the trance state.

And lastly, UDD. UDD, or Unspecified Dissociative Disorder, is exactly as it sounds. It's a catchall diagnosis for when a dissociative disorder is present, but it's unknown exactly which one. This can include systems, or it can include other dissociative disorders.

Tertiary Dissociation

Teritary Dissociation is what includes DID, C-DID, and HC-DID.

DID is the disorder we are all reading this post for. It is a disorder that causes multiple identity states that are distinctly different, called alters (or other terms depending on the system's comfort, such as headmates or sysmates), and amnesia between these identity states.

C-DID is a community term which stands for Complex DID. It is synonymous with Polyfragmented DID; they both mean the same thing. C-DID is characterized by a more complex system structure and the presence of many fragments, occuring because of more complex and longterm trauma that starts before the age of 5 (so earlier than the DID cutoff), and typically continues long after the system forms. There are many signs of polyfragmentation in a system, but the most siginifigant are the earlier onset of trauma, presence of many fragments, and more complex internal structure.

HC-DID is another community term which stands for Highly Complex DID. This term is synonymous with programmed systems/RAMCOA systems. These systems formed because of childhood trauma involving Mind Control (the MC of RAMCOA), aka programming. I won't go too in-depth on HC-DID systems, because I'm not confident in my knowledge at this time. However a great blog I can recommend for anyone wanting to learn more is @cultishhellvent

Misc.

You might have noticed at the top of the graphic I included earlier a little blurb about DPDR, or Depersonalization Derealization Disorder. This is a dissociative disorder characterized by, well, persistant depersonalization and derealization. This disorder cannot co-occur alongside DID, but DID can cause depersonalization and derealization. The DPDR diagnosis is for those who don't have another dissociative disorder like DID, but do experience those specific symptoms of depersonalization and derealization.

P-DID, or Partial DID, is a version of DID in which one alter is almost always fronting. Other alters are present, and may front in specific situations, but typically the one alter will stay at front and other alters will come and go from co-con or co-front.

Things To Know About Systems

So here is a bunch of catagories of info about systems that I feel are necessary to know if you're looking to know the basics.

Amnesia Types

Blackout Amnesia is amnesia that is full and total. Periods of blackout amnesia will be fully gone from the person's memory. However, contrary to popular belief, blackout amnesia does not entail literally 'blacking out' and 'waking up' at a later time. It simply means the memories from a time period are totally and utterly gone and inaccessable to you.

Greyout Amnesia has two typical definitions. The first is amnesia that slowly occurs as time goes on, like slowly forgetting the days as you pass them, at a faster rate than would be considered typical for those without a dissociative disorder. The second definition is similar to blackout amnesia, except some memories can be retained. So you may not fully remember an event you went to last week, but you might be able to recall a few blips of major things that took place. Most detail is usually lost.

Emotional Amnesia is when you remember the actual event or time frame, but none of the emotions attached to it. This usually presents as being able to remember a traumatic event, but feeling numb or disconnected to it, or like it happened to someone else.

And something important to keep in mind is that these amnesia types are not hard rules, and amnesia is often somewhere between these three labels.

Innerworlds

Innerworlds, or headspaces, are internal worlds in which alters can go when they aren't fronting (fronting meaning to be in control of the body)

Not all systems have innerworlds, and many systems with Aphantasia (when you can't visualize) simply don't have the ability to create them.

Innerworlds are often created unintentionally as the system grows up, but they can be intentionally created and that can be a beneficial process to the system.

Alter Roles

Alter roles are labels systems can assign to their alters to describe what role they play in the system's life. Some common ones include Host (primary fronter), Protector (self-explanitory), Persecutor (causes the system harm for whatever reason), Traumaholder (alters who hold trauma), and Littles (child alters)

These roles are not hard set, they are simply labels to help explain and put words to what certain alters' jobs in the system may be. And, not all alters have a discernable role.

Introjects

Introjects are alters who form based on an existing identity. This is common in fragments, since they aren't as fully formed, but can of course also happen in fully formed alters.

There are two main catagories of introjects, however many people like to get specific with the terms they use.

Fictives are introjects of fictional characters. This can be from visual media, books, OCs, ect.

Factives are introjects of real people. This can be from friends, abusers, family, celebrities, ect.

Introjects are NOT the same as the thing they are sourced in. They are their own separate people, and should be treated as such.

One of the specific terms I mentioned could be songtives (introjects from songs). I wanted to briefly mention that as an example of the specific terms systems may use.

Co-Con/Co-Front

Co-con, or co-conciousness, is when two or more alters are present at the front. This is usually used to describe one alter fronting, with one or more other alters hanging out nearby and talking occasionally.

Co-front, or co-fronting, is when two or more alters are sharing the front together fully. Think of two people trying to drive the same car at once.

I think I've covered everything I wanted to cover. If I missed anything, said anything incorrect, or you'd like something added please feel free to send an ask or comment/reblog.

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Why Fakeclaiming Is Never Okay

Fakeclaiming is the act of accusing somebody of faking a disorder, disability, or symptom. This is a common occurance in the DIDOSDD community, and I thought it would make a great first post.

This is essentially going to be a long list (aka an essay I've put into bullets) of reasons why fakeclaiming is never, and will never, be acceptable. I will try to cover everything, but if I miss anything feel free to send in an ask of anything you'd like added or comment/reblog.

Fakeclaiming against minors is never okay because minors aren't fully developed yet and don't need to be shamed or harassed. Let them be on their journey. If they're spreading misinfo, kindly correct it, but never fakeclaim a child. It will most likely only lead them to denial or negative self thoughts, especially with teenagers.

That being said, fakeclaiming adults is never okay either. Adults are also going on their own journey. I'm more likely to recommend correcting misinfo and providing resources to adults than minors, since especially adults over the age of 25 will be more mentally developed and able to accept info they don't agree with, without it affecting their mental state.

You are so so so likely to be wrong. More often than not, there is no way of proving whether or not someone is faking, especially online. The chances that you will be wrong and fakeclaim someone who isn't faking is VERY high, and thus causes more damage to the community than any fakers.

Actual fakers know they are faking, and your fakeclaiming comment isn't going to stop them.

Fakeclaiming being normalized destroys safe spaces for people to talk about their symptoms or questions. Questioning people are less likely to ask about their symptoms or experiences when there's a constant fear of getting "FAKE!" shouted back at them. This is especially noticable in cases where people, minors particularly, realize they were wrong about something. I personally have seen a minor get banned from a space for "faking DID" because they talked about how they were wrong and found out they actually had Schizophrenia. They never faked, they simply did the best with their current knowledge and later found out they'd been wrong.

Fakeclaiming people who have admitted to faking doesn't help anyone. Firstly, many people who admit to faking have been pressured into it by fakeclaimers and internet assholes, and many of them were never even faking. We see this phenomenom in criminal justice, where police will convince a suspect they have committed a crime by treating them like they have, until the suspect confesses, even if later physical evidence proves them innocent. It's no stretch to say the same thing can happen in this kind of a space, especially when minors are targetted.

Adding onto that, fakeclaiming actual fakers doesn't help the community nor the person faking. Fakers fake for a reason, it's never a perfectly healthy person faking. Fakeclaiming and harassing someone who's admitted to faking is likely to drive them away from mental health spaces altogether. If someone is brave enough to admit that they faked something, they should be met with compassion and help on their journey to find out what's actually going on and what drove them to fake. If they faked for attention, giving them genuine attention when they aren't faking will show them that they don't need to fake to get the attention they need.

Side note: Attention is not morally wrong to need. Needing attention is a very real need, for a variety of reasons ranging from neglect to other disorders to being ignored by professionals.

Faking is usually a disorder in of itself. If not facticious disorder or munchausin's, it's being caused by another disorder that rationalizes faking in the person's mind or deems it necessary. Driving people who fake things out of mental health or disability communities is only driving them out of spaces where they could find out what is actually going on.

Overall, fakeclaiming tends to only do more harm than good. If someone is willingly faking, or spreading misinfo, you can simply block them or correct their misinfo without trying to 'correct' them as a person. The block button doesn't harm anyone or lead to harassment, and it's a perfectly valid way to get someone you think is faking off of your dash without being a dick.

#fakeclaiming #fakers #fakeclaimers #not DIDOSDD specific but i thought itd be a good post to make anyway #i almost made this post on my main blog before deciding it would be good to post here #also pls send me asks on didosdd posts youd like me to make #i have some ideas but i wanna hear from everyone else

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