“that man exclusively suffers rube-goldbergian childhood hamster fates” I ONLY UNDERSTAND WHAT HALF OF THIS SENTENCE MEANS BUT ITS SO TRUE WTF
I only consult the most credible sources, and seeing as you are a welt scholar, me as an hsr-only would like to know how does his characterization differ from hi3 or anything pre-hsr? I think you mentioned somewhere that they mischaracterized him now I'm curious
i have very complicated and slightly contradictory feelings about if (and if so how badly) he’s miswritten in hsr, and honestly it doesn’t really relate to the ways in which his personality and the way he’s presented differ, and oh my god do you know how many times i’ve rewritten this trying to word it in a way that makes sense and isn’t an entire essay, so this is more of a ramble about what’s different really (also, after a certain point i do think hi3’s presentation of him as a character has gotten closer to hsr’s, which makes sense). (also it’s 1am my brain is half-baked)
hi3 welt is definitely a lot more reckless, hot-headed, and less socially adept, although he hides it decently well under the Composed and Sophisticated image he projects. like, in 2e several characters have a asides about him kind of being a bit of a jerk, despite clearly not intending to (autistic as fuck), which is something you would never see in newer appearances, and he’s understandably a little more… socially underbaked? he’s awkward and cringe and it feels intentional. it’s a good lynchpin of his character that he is much less emotionally mature that he initially lets on, in a way that actually conveys the experience of having to grow up too fast because of trauma quite well for me. generally he does maintain the aura of the more calm and calculating/experienced one, which him being a lot more intense and hammy with his powers/Guardian of Humanity shtick feeds into, but he is a lot rougher around the edges if you squint. much of his attitude towards himself and his identity and how he acts as a mentor figure is more obviously toxic. in hsr a lot of his flaws are less present (although, to an extent they’re expressed in hi3 quite subtly, considering he isn’t a major character), but you can definitely still notice them i think. i also think it’s important to remember that for the majority of the first part of hi3 until he hands the core on to bronya he’s also grappling with his powers (that he keeps using, because he’s literally too selfless to live) slowly killing him and so you have this element of desperation and weariness that isn’t present later
i enjoyed him saying argenti’s decision in his companion quest is what he would have done when he was younger, because it is pretty accurate lol. although his suicide plan would never be that un-convoluted, that man exclusively suffers rube-goldbergian childhood hamster fates
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Welt Yang and Frederica Nikola Tesla aren’t married
Also known as, I’m tired of having this conversation
This is a compilation post of all relevant information, including dialogue lines from APHO 1 + explanations. Enjoy
And huge thank you to @caydencrypted for helping me fill in some gaps where my Welt lore falls short🫡
To start off, context for anyone unaware. Welt Yang, also known as Joachim Nokianvirtanen, originally came to the HSR universe from the HI3 universe. He has an adopted son back home, but does not have a wife. Most people who rely on lore summaries and hearsay nowadays seem to think that he’s married to Tesla, based off of the fact that she is his son’s second legal guardian. I’m here to provide you with sources and explanations as to why that’s not true.
Honkai players who are adamant that Welt and Tesla are married will refer you to this conversation:
(HI3, APHO 1, Events, Base - Carole - Mr. Welt Is So Cool)
The main character interrupts Carole gushing about Welt to remind her that Welt is married. Evidently, people take this exchange as gospel instead of two teenagers gossiping and MC teasing Carole as he usually does (both MC and Carole have only just met Welt and learnt about his story - aka, they don’t know him on a personal level).
So, what happens when you select that (third) option? Well, Carole gets fussy about her preference in men, and then the conversation ends with this:
Again, we are reminded that Carole is a massive gossip girl, but the actual facts are written in their mission brief - Joey’s mother is, legally, just his second guardian. Not Mrs. Yang.
And in case that’s not enough for you, we hear it from the man himself:
(HI3, APHO 1, Events, Story - 1.6 Road from Fountain I - Before)
(“he” in this conversation is Joey)
Welt, in casual conversation with squad 3, decides to call Joey’s mother “his other guardian”. Not wife. Not even partner.
And Mei, the only other adult in this conversation, and someone who’s known Welt for well over a decade, doesn’t even comment on this - evidently, she knows about the arrangement and the nature of their relationship (or lack thereof). Meaning, Welt’s awkward phrasing is in fact just the plain truth.
And in case even that is not enough for you, let’s look at the relationship Welt and Tesla have before APHO.
We are never explicitly told how exactly Joachim first met Tesla (and Einstein), but his first appearance in the AE visual novel is as follows:
(Anti-Entropy VN, chapter 11, part 1)
Let me just clarify first that the VN is in the point of view of Welt Joyce - Joachim did not get the name Welt until Joyce's death.
From the VN, we learn that Tesla has known Joachim from before, since she was a coworker of his father (Elias Nokianvirtanen, codename Finn). Even in this appearance, Joachim is still a small child (8 years old), but has a very close relationship with the people at AE. It's therefore safe to assume that everyone at AE has known him for his entire life, or at least the majority of his life.
Joachim is shown to have an especially strong bond with Tesla and Einstein, whom he calls big sisters. Strong enough for Joyce to have picked up on it and give his own interpretation of.
Another thing we learn from the visual novel is what Tesla (and Einstein)’s canonical ages are:
(Anti-Entropy VN, chapter 2, part 2)
Which puts Welt Yang and Tesla at an age difference of 13 years, which would, no matter what legal system, be both illegal and immoral, given the fact that Tesla has had a bond with him since he was a small child, and she was a grown adult. The nature of their relationship prior to APHO has also given us no reason to suspect them of having any romantic involvement, aside from child Joachim wanting to dance with Tesla when he grew up, which some people have interpreted as him having a childhood crush on her, but that's both only mentioned and resolved in the Second Eruption manga, after which they dance together and that’s the end of it.
(Second Eruption, Ch. 22: The Launch, pages 5, 9-12)
Sidenote: his line of “you made me realize the beauty of humanity” is in reference to all the people he lists afterwards, not just Tesla. Please stop taking it out of context.
So in a way, Welt’s HSR line about wanting to return to his family has a much bigger meaning - AE are his family. The only one he has left (even though there aren’t many of them alive anymore).
(HSR, Welt’s Astral Express questions - About Welt - About Welt's friends)
Now, before anyone asks how I can be so certain Joey’s mother is Tesla, because her name is never mentioned - here is my evidence.
(HI3, APHO, Events, Base - Joffrey - Missing Mom)
(same source, alternate dialogue option)
Additionally:
(HI3, APHO, Events, Base - Carole - Mr. Welt and Joey)
From this, as well as Welt’s earlier comments about Joey’s mother easily getting angry, we can make out 5 things: she has red hair, she is a pilot, she spends more time busying herself with work rather than family, she has a short temper, and she likes to drink. So, while not being explicitly name-dropped, Tesla is the only established character that fits all those traits. She is a redhead, an inventor and pilot of mechas, a workaholic, extremely short-tempered, and routinely gets drunk, upon which Einstein has to drag her back home.
And if you’re STILL not convinced that they’re not married, let’s look at it from a storytelling perspective.
Welt Yang is a man who has lived his life pretending to be someone else since he was 8 years old. Little Joachim Nokianvirtanen first lost his mother, then his father and best friend/hero one after the other. He was given the core of reason and the name Welt, as well as the responsibility of protecting humanity. He became the sovereign of Anti-Entropy, and the vanguard of humanity’s fight against the honkai. He was never able to live for himself.
Until the ascension of the herrscher of finality. When Kiana Kaslana seized the absolute authority over the honkai from the cocoon of finality, Earth was finally freed from the threat of honkai, and the honkai was sealed on the moon. Only then was Welt Yang able to take a step back and ask himself who he really is and what he really wants out of his life.
His lore in HSR gives us a very clear answer:
(HSR, Welt: Story, Character Story: Part I)
So, he became the director of E. T. Studios and continued producing anime. All the while, Anti-Entropy took the time to tie up its loose ends before re-joining Schicksal, upon which they discovered a leftover clone of Welt Joyce:
(HI3, APHO, Events, Story - 1.2 Heroes I - After)
Welt Yang decided to give the young clone a chance at a “normal” life, whether out of guilt or simply because he missed his friend. The reasoning he gives to the MC in APHO is this:
(HI3, APHO, Events, Base - Welt - Name of A Hero)
So while Welt is trying his best to be a good father to Joey, and to not push onto him responsibilities of a legacy that he is too young to understand, his reason for adopting him in the first place comes from a selfish sentimentality. He is not trying to settle down and start a family, he just wanted to see his best friend again, even if it's not really him. It would make no narrative sense for him to suddenly have a wife and kids, when he is clearly still incredibly immature and unrealiable - leaving his son behind and blindly jumping into another universe to both save the counterpart of his former student (whose death he still blames on himself) and live out his childhood dreams of space travel and adventure. But that's a conversation for another day.
There you have it, that's all the information I could gather (with Cayde's priceless help), and I sincerely hope we can stop having this debate. I could not care less if you ship Welt and Tesla, just stop insisting they're canon.
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