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interviewer: lets talk romance. are there any ladies in the picture?

Roman, leaning forward seriously: tell me every aspect of my personality that made you assume i was straight so that i can change it immediately

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h…. handsome bois… in suits…! 💙💛

I really loved this episode!

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Ended up falling out of this fandom during the height of the hiatus and deceit discourse.

That being said, I heard that my snakey son got a feature episode and im so proud of him.

#thomas sanders #sanders sides #ts deceit

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broke: theorizing on plot, character developments, name reveals

woke: according to my calculations,, based on recent t r e n d s,, ,,,, This Video Will Be Seventy-Four Minutes Long

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Hi Cee! I was on your tag list for edits and things as the-incredible-sulk, but tumblr deleted my original blog and I had to remake it. I was wondering if you’d still tag me in things, same username but no dashes. Thanks!!

Of course! I havent posted in a while (oops) but ive had ideas so ill make sure to add you!!!

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fandom, broke: wants deceit to be a genuinely scary villain or get the same “redemption” as virgil and making him part of the main cast me, woke: wants deceit to be dr doofenshmirtz type “villain” who gets “beaten” by the sides after like two minutes as a returning goof but deceit beliefs he’s an absolute mastermind who’s villainy goes unrivalled

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When you find a cool AU:

When you find out Deceit is the villain/abuser/toxic dude:

#deceit #ts deceit

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4/6 photos on Thomas Sanders’ IMDB page are of Kids React reacting to him.

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This is @thestrangedino secret santa present I hope you like it…

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Hey! Writer and video editor here but can we enter to make video edits? I know its not “art” in the traditional sense but it takes a load of time to make one and i know that my edits would be better as gifts than my art or writing.

Famder Secret Valentine

Okay. It is January 2nd and the New Year is already underway. 

I hope that everyone has had a wonderful holiday season and a great start to 20biteen. 

I know this is a bit early to be thinking about Valentine’s day, however, I had the idea—inspired from the Secret Santa that took place over the Christmas holiday—to run a Secret Valentine. 

Now, I do not know exactly how the Secret Santas went, as I did not get the chance to take place, so the way I want run this could be similar or it could be not. 

However, my thought is that we get artists and writers involved and then what we will do is pair them with each other. 

My thought is, why not give what another might not be able to create for themselves. So a writer will give to an artist and an artist will give to a writer. 

Now, I know that there are plenty artist/writers out there as well, so I am thinking you can choose if you wish to join as a writer or an artist but state that you are both so that way, should we be short on one, we can still be able to hold the event. 

I do also know that there is a matter of different levels. Here is the thing. This is a gifting event. If you are worried about not receiving a gift that is the same level as your level in whatever group you are in, then you aren’t thinking in the spirit of giving. 

My hope is that we can spread a little bit of love in a season that so many people equate with feelings of annoyance or sadness. 

Motto of the Event: What the World Needs Now (Is Love, Sweet Love)

So there you have it. I will be setting up a blog specifically for the event if the interest is great enough and will have the ask box open for submissions hopefully by the end of this week. 

If you are interested, please give this post a reblog. A like is fine as well, but a reblog will show true interest and will also get the post around to others.

I am rather excited about this, so I do hope there will be interest! 

Thank you all!

REBLOG IF INTERESTED. FEEL FREE TO COMMENT BUT THE REBLOG IS IMPORTANT. YOU CAN ALSO LIKE AS WELL, BUT REBLOGS WILL GET THE POST AROUND. THANK YOU, LOVELY FAMDERS!

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Famder Secret Valentine

Okay. It is January 2nd and the New Year is already underway. 

I hope that everyone has had a wonderful holiday season and a great start to 20biteen. 

I know this is a bit early to be thinking about Valentine’s day, however, I had the idea—inspired from the Secret Santa that took place over the Christmas holiday—to run a Secret Valentine. 

Now, I do not know exactly how the Secret Santas went, as I did not get the chance to take place, so the way I want run this could be similar or it could be not. 

However, my thought is that we get artists and writers involved and then what we will do is pair them with each other. 

My thought is, why not give what another might not be able to create for themselves. So a writer will give to an artist and an artist will give to a writer. 

Now, I know that there are plenty artist/writers out there as well, so I am thinking you can choose if you wish to join as a writer or an artist but state that you are both so that way, should we be short on one, we can still be able to hold the event. 

I do also know that there is a matter of different levels. Here is the thing. This is a gifting event. If you are worried about not receiving a gift that is the same level as your level in whatever group you are in, then you aren’t thinking in the spirit of giving. 

My hope is that we can spread a little bit of love in a season that so many people equate with feelings of annoyance or sadness. 

Motto of the Event: What the World Needs Now (Is Love, Sweet Love)

So there you have it. I will be setting up a blog specifically for the event if the interest is great enough and will have the ask box open for submissions hopefully by the end of this week. 

If you are interested, please give this post a reblog. A like is fine as well, but a reblog will show true interest and will also get the post around to others.

I am rather excited about this, so I do hope there will be interest! 

Thank you all!

REBLOG IF INTERESTED. FEEL FREE TO COMMENT BUT THE REBLOG IS IMPORTANT. YOU CAN ALSO LIKE AS WELL, BUT REBLOGS WILL GET THE POST AROUND. THANK YOU, LOVELY FAMDERS!

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Deceit Appreciation Post!

Comical villans=the best villans

#thomas sanders #sanders sides #deceit #deceit sanders

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NO GOD! No GOD please no! no! NO! NOOOOOOOOO!!

Warning: I am NOT trying to down play anyone’s opinion. Your opinions are valid. I am also not speaking for Thomas himself, I am only trying to remind people about him as a creator, and the possible feelings that might result because of this situation.

Please bare with me because this is going to be long.

Ok so as self concious as is am of posting, this is something I have no problem with clarifying.

Please for the love of god dont ask Thomas to remove Deceit…..DURING HIS LIVESTREAM.

(Allow me to explain)

Ok. I have been a youtube member of Thomas for a while now and he and Joan had just finished their live stream for “Embarrassing Phases”.

And one person.

I kid you not.

Went on a spiel in the live chat saying how Deceit was abusive, manipulative, toxic, and any other insult under the sun; and either deserves to be removed or at least given a trigger warning. This was at the very beginning of his livestream. I wish I had photo proof, but it was reported/hidden shortly after it was posted.

Now I respect peoples opinions on Deceit, I really do. But this has gone too far. Who are you to criticize the way Thomas creates his character? Who are you to assume where Deceit stands in Sander Sides?

(I’m not trying to sound angry, this question is genuine)

This has been a bothersome opinion of mine for a long long time because in truth I do not support abusive Deceit unless it’s in fanfiction and helps with plot within said fanfic (I am also annoyed by how authors have to put Deceit as a warning in their own works because of these people)

But for you to throw these insults at Thomas’s character as part of the REAL story, is not only insulting to the character, but insulting to Thomas, personally.

Deceit is a part of Thomas guys. I am not sure why people seem to overlook that.

This person then gave up on their spiel and then resorted to SPAMING “Hey do you think you can put a trigger warning on Deceit? Some people get really triggered by him”. This continued for the rest of the livestream. (I have photo proof of the spam for those who dont believe me)

Now I understand if people are sensitive to Deceit’s character. I understand if it reminds people of toxic encounters they’ve had in the past etc. I understand the warning part. But guys please dont forget.

Deceit is Thomas’s character. How do you think asking for a trigger warning or the possible removal of Deceit would effect him as a creator and as a person?

How would YOU feel in this situation? Would you feel like shit if people kept insulting your character and spamming for trigger warnings like theres no tomorrow?

Most likely. (At least I would feel like that)

Now Thomas would probably understand the warning part, but I might be wrong because I am not speaking for Thomas.

Thankfully Thomas didnt see it. I hope. And it got to the point where lots of people (including me) were reporting this persons comments as spam and I’m glad (and thankful) that people did.

Guys. You might not like Deceit, but he is still Thomas’s creation and a part of him. And you have no right to tell him how his character acts, and behaves.

Because you know why? Because Deceit has only been in 3 videos. We have hardly had any time to get to know the character. And after 3 vids of him being in the background, people are saying these things like hes been around since the first episode.

We dont know him yet. And we shouldn’t rush at this either.

Thomas would never make a character abusive, manipulative, and downright despicable. He might make Deceit a comical villain, but never someone as evil as what these people are calling him.

If you want me to give reasons/opinions on Deceits character, please reply to this saying so, and I’ll tag you in a separate post.

In short.

It’s ok to dislike Deceit, it’s ok have him be your least favorite character, but please dont drag Thomas ( and his story ) into this. If you dont like him, then stop watching. Please give this character time to develop; only then will we know his true role in Sander Sides.

(I’m sorry this is so long)

(Not trying to sound angry, this is supposed to be genuine)

Also sorry if you dont want to be tagged, if you want to be removed just message me.

@sympathetic-deceit-trash

@sweetest-honeybee

@night-sides

@thepastelparts

@helpful-hummingbird

@fangirltothefullest

@just-an-anxious-mess

@sympatheticdeceit

@dailydeceitdoodles

@dailypattondoodle

@5am-the-foxing-hour

#deceit

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EMBARRASSING PHASES: The Endcard and what it means.

Greetings Guys, Gals, and Non-Binary Pals! Tis I, Taylor, resident theorist and Screenshot Queen, here to talk about the endcard to the latest Sanders Sides video! This endcard was short, but it had a lot of information squeezed inside it that I’m really excited to unpack! Now, there are a lot of different theories that could be based on this information, but for this post, I’m going to try and stay away from speculation (as much as possible, anyway) and stick with what we can safely say for sure is canon based on the data provided and using deductive reasoning, and deliver my own personal theory as to what’s happening storywise at the end.

Without further ado, the game is on!

SO, our main dilemma with this whole segment is that it’s hard to understand anything that comes out of Deceit’s mouth. He has a tendency to speak in opposites…but he doesn’t do so in canon the way he often so clearly does in fics. It’s more fluid, more confusing, more difficult to understand what he really means. But fortunately, we have an advantage for this analysis…we have Virgil. Virgil, who doesn’t seem to have any trouble understanding Deceit throughout the entire scene. Using his responses, things we know from past videos, things we learned in this video, and a small amount of deductive guesswork, we can piece together what exactly Deceit is hinting at at the end of this video.

We start with what seems like some typical, unfriendly banter between Virgil and Deceit, which can actually reveal a lot about their relationship.

“Very well done, Virgil.”

“You’re so…”

“…evolved.”

Once again, we get that glare from Virgil that seems to be specially reserved for Deceit. Compare the look Virgil shoots Patton when he’s worked up and stressed and Patton calls him a cutesy nickname:

To the glares he gives Deceit:

One is the exasperation you shoot a parent who, for the hundredth time, has said something embarrassing in front of your friends, the other is pure contempt.

That being said, the familiarity with which they talk to each other, in my mind at least, all but confirms our previous theories that Virgil and Deceit used to know each other very well.

“Oh, you are HILARIOUS, Virgil, you always have been!”

This line is not just said for the sake of Deceit making fun of Virgil (though I think that is his main intent here), it once again implies a familiarity between the two. I also think this is one of Deceit’s mirrored statements, he’s saying Virgil never has been the funny one (which really, he’s right. That’s not really a big part of Virgil’s character).

“What are you doing here?”

“Hm, a bunch of talk about Halloween…a season for dressing up and pretending to be something or someone else. You’re right, a master of deception such as myself has no place in that kind of discussion.”

Oooooh, this line is so fun to take apart. First off, on the surface, Deceit is saying that, because he is the embodiment of pretending to be something you’re not, he should have had a seat in the Halloween video. And while that is a point he could be making, I don’t think it’s really what he’s talking about, and I think Virgil knows that. (Remember, we’re operating under the assumption that Virgil has a lot of experience dealing with Dee, so he knows how to navigate what he’s saying. As @what-even-is-thiss​ pointed out, “We’ve now seen a full conversation with Deceit. Not only that, but both sides seemed to understand what was going on. Showing it’s possible to work past Deceit’s lying thing enough to get info out of him.”)

So what is Deceit really talking about here? Well, look at Virgil’s face when Deceit says “pretending to be something or someone else.” He rolls his eyes:

But then for a moment, he looks uneasy:

And that moment is exactly when Deceit says “something or someone else.” Besides, the video wasn’t really about Halloween, Halloween was just the catalyst for Virgil trying to get them to see why it was a big deal to him that they were ignoring his past, and also that he still has his ability to be scary (which Logan points out is important to his function as Anxiety).

No, the video is about phases, and how they shape you as a person. And if Deceit was a big part of Virgil’s past phases, this could very well be his way of reminding Virgil of that past. I think that Deceit is trying to tell Virgil that, because he’s still trying to be scary, he’s not really changed in the way he says he has. “Pretending to be something or someone else” could very well be Deceit’s way of trying to tell Virgil “you’re fooling yourself if you think you’ll ever be anything more than Anxiety, if you think you can change and be better than the rest of us Dark Sides.” And then, we get Virgil’s response:

“Okay, me being able to elicit fear doesn’t take away from the fact that I’ve grown. So don’t even try me with that, Harvey Dense.”

That’s really Virgil’s whole thesis statement for this video: I can still be scary, but I’ve grown. I still was who I used to be, that was real, but I’ve moved beyond that. To Thomas and the others, the message was that they can’t pretend everything is perfect now, because that undermines everything he struggled with. But to Deceit, the message is I’ve moved on. Perhaps even a final, I don’t need you anymore.

From this video, I think it is now safe to assume that Deceit and Virgil used to work more closely together. So now since Virgil is working with the Light Sides instead, how often do you think Deceit has tried to get Virgil to come back to his old ways? What kinds of things do you think Deceit likes to whisper in Virgil’s ear? How much has Deceit been bothering Virgil since the Can LYING Be Good video? We can deduce that it has been at least somewhat regular. Because while in CLBG, Deceit compliments first Roman’s new outfit, then Virgil’s new makeup look, implying he hasn’t intentionally interacted with any of the sides since before Fitting In, when here we get this interaction:

“Clever retort! And convincing statement. And cool costume.”

“You know this is what I normally wear.”

Deceit wouldn’t know that, if the only time he’s seen Virgil recently was CLBG. Virgil had two outfits in that video, and Deceit wouldn’t know what his usual one was…unless he’s been coming around more. Unless he’s been pressuring Virgil off camera for months.

“Don’t even try that with me” implies that this is indeed the case, and that Deceit has been trying just that for awhile now. But why would Deceit be so invested in trying to convince Virgil that his change isn’t real, that his growth is just a facade? Deceit is accusing Virgil of “pretending to be something or someone else,” and why?

Because Virgil has the capability to be the most influential side out of all of them.

I think we can all agree that currently, while all four main sides have a “seat at the discussion table” as Thomas puts it, Patton, as Morality, is actually the side with the most influence, at least when it comes to Thomas’s decisions. But this video confirms something for us: That side used to be Anxiety.

When talking about his emo phase and teenage years, Thomas said that he was “terrified out of his mind” in those days, and later he tells Virgil “You work with us now. You’re not in the driver’s seat anymore…” which implies that Virgil at one point WAS in the driver’s seat.

And when you’re afraid, when you’re driven by your fears and anxieties and insecurities…isn’t it more likely that you’d listen to that voice in your head that tells you to lie? Isn’t it easier to succumb to the darker parts of your mind when you’re confused and afraid and lost? Not saying that you will, of course. Thomas certainly didn’t. But if Thomas is Anxious, I mean really Anxious, I think it stands to reason that the other Dark Sides’ power could be much more pronounced.

Thomas said something while he was talking to Patton that caught my attention:

“There’s a lot that Virgil could do that I don’t want him to do. He knows exactly how to push my buttons.”

If Virgil wanted to, he could absolutely wreck Thomas. He could wreck all of them…but the thing is he doesn’t want to. All Virgil wants, all he’s ever wanted, is to protect Thomas. And here, we come to the question of what exactly is it that a Side wants?

Simply put, every Side wants what is best for Thomas, but every Side is extremely biased in what they believe that is. For Roman, it’s creative fulfillment, for Logan, it’s a healthy lifestyle and the pursuit of growth and knowledge. For Patton, it’s a happy life built on love and kindness, and for Virgil it’s safety, both physical, mental, and social/emotional.

So what does Deceit want? He wants all the things the others want, safety, happiness, success, but he wants it done his way. He wants bliss born of ignorance, security born of secrecy, and prosperity born of lies. That’s what separates him (and I assume the other Dark Sides) from the main four, he is utterly unwilling to compromise on his desires and his methods.

And that is what also separates Virgil from the other Dark Sides, he was willing to compromise. He did see things the others’ way, and it was through that ability to see another perspective that he first decided that he must not be good for Thomas and quit, and then came the new era of him being able to work with the others successfully, on an equal footing that he’d never experienced before.

But Deceit doesn’t have that equal footing, and none of the other Dark Sides do either, because they all refuse to compromise.

Deceit, at least in my interpretation, clearly believes that he can use Virgil somehow to extend his own realm of influence over Thomas. And with that information in hand, we can try and interpret this last, and most confusing, line.

“Just be sure to keep up that personal growth, Virgil. Who knows? Maybe soon, you could be rid of us all…”

SO what does this mean? Is he speaking in an opposite? Is he telling the truth? Is half the statement true and half an opposite? Who is the “us all?” The Dark Sides? The Light Sides? It’s a lot to unpack, and is the most speculative part of this analysis, because really, we’re not meant to have all the answers from this. It’s clear this endcard is a teaser for things to come in the Sanders Sides storyline, and I’m sure in a few months we’ll all be nodding in understanding and praising @thatsthat24​ and @thejoanglebook​‘s genius, but for now we’re a bit in the dark. So, to figure out what Deceit means, we have to figure out where his truths and where his lies reside.

“Just be sure to keep up that personal growth, Virgil.” To me, the way Deceit places emphasis on the words ‘keep up,’ making them sound almost sarcastic, indicates that this is the lie in his statement. He’s telling Virgil to keep growing, but Deceit doesn’t actually want Virgil to grow. Based on this analysis, it is in Deceit’s best interest that Virgil does not grow, and reverts back to his old tactics.

“Who knows? Maybe soon, you could be rid of us all…” Now here, I think the lie is ‘rid of us all,’ which is based on my assumptions of their character motivations. I believe the “us all” to be the other Dark Sides, and Virgil would be happy if Thomas was rid of the influence of the Dark Sides. Meanwhile, Deceit wants the Dark Sides’ influence to grow stronger, and Deceit’s entire manner in this scene has been vaguely sinister and threatening, which is a conclusion supported by Virgil’s extremely defensive attitude throughout the segment. I think through this sentence, Deceit is saying that soon, the opposite of getting rid of the Dark Sides is going to happen.

So putting the entire statement together, we have “Just be sure to keep up that personal growth, Virgil. Who knows? Maybe soon, you could be rid of us all...”

I believe that to be a threat from Deceit to Virgil: “If you don’t quit this silly personal growth nonsense and go back to doing your job the old way, you’re going to have a much harder time dealing with Us.” It’s intended for Virgil to hear this threat, panic, and go back to his old ways in the hopes that it will protect Thomas from the Dark Sides, which will in turn only make them stronger.

The funny thing is though, if you take his statement completely literally, it gives away how to beat Deceit and his plan. If Virgil keeps growing and learning and becoming closer with the others, it may be even harder for the Dark Sides to gain more control, effectively “getting rid” (or at least diminishing) of their influence.

Deceit’s lies aren’t always based on fact, they’re based on perception. When he tells Thomas “You’re a good person. Everybody says so,” he was intending it to be a lie. The kind of lie you tell yourself in order to stay sane. But that isn’t a lie. Thomas felt like a bad person in that moment, so his inner voice of deception was telling him he was a good person, but as Logan said, “Belief doesn’t always translate to reality.” Thomas is a good person, so Deceit therefore inadvertently (and unintentionally) told the truth.

I believe this is what’s happening here. He doesn’t mean to give away how to beat him, he means Virgil to believe that the Dark Sides are more powerful than they actually are, and that if Virgil doesn’t do what Deceit wants, they’ll make life more difficult for him and for Thomas. But this isn’t actually true. What’s true is that the Light Sides have the most power right now, and the person who holds that balance between the two is Virgil himself. Virgil has shifted his influence to the Light Sides, and Deceit desperately needs that influence back, which is why he wants to stop Virgil’s personal growth right in its tracks.

Only time will tell if I’m right…and only time will tell which Side will win this battle of wits. I don’t know about you all, but my money is on our resident Emo Knightmare.

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Virgil: Yeah maybe…maybe in opposite town

Deceit:

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