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valeriemperez · 6 years

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In regards to the crossover I loved how in the first WA wedding attempt it was BA that was in tears & IW was more calm & in the second WA wedding it was IW that was in tears and BA was more calm. I wonder if GG & CP made that choice or that just organically happened btwn them. However it happened it was beautiful & it made other parts of the crossover I didn’t like more bearable.

YES, that was beautiful. And I’m not sure if Grant and Candice are the kind of actors who can cry on command, or if they do when they feel the moment. But I think it both fit their characters and their acting methods. Barry is overcome in the moment by Iris coming towards him, but tends to be calmer when discussing how much he and Iris love each other. Whereas Iris is more overcome by talking about how much she loves Barry and since when, because it took her so long to realize/accept it.

I’m not thrilled by the double wedding or many aspects of the crossover but getting to see WA kiss twice and have a few all encompassing hugs really did make up for the drought of WA love I have felt in 4a. So I’m going to try and move on to the mid season finale. I’m sure you’ve seen the still photos from the episode, what are you deducing & hoping will happen?

I love your outlook! I’m still thinking that Thinker is setting up either/or situations to break Barry and tear the team apart, and that he and Amunet will wind up being linked. I think Iris will outsmart him and reveal herself as an admirable opponent on her own, and then it will end with another West home Christmas scene hopefully followed by Westallen in their loft.

Any ideas what we’re trending next week, since we will get to see married westallen, how about congratulations westallen

Married Westallen has a nice ring to it. Thoughts?

So no new hashtag for next Tuesday? I had #WestallenDeservesBetter, but then I thought we’d stick to the routine and go with #IrisWestAllen since Iris is now married to Barry Allen. I don’t know. Your pick.

Do we want a hashtag or no hashtag? I like Married Westallen if no hashtag, and #IrisWestAllen if we use a hashtag. Feel free to respond with the one you like in the comments or notes!

Long ask about ship parallels below:

p1 Can I be real honest about something that annoys me? When fellow WA fans try to gatekeep the tag and act like they speak for everyone. I’ve seen a few times now people make either a gifset or post that somehow parallels WA to another couple, but is in no way anti-wa. Yet at times I see salty comments in the comment section to take it out of the tag or no one wants to see it blabla. Guess what, people that ship WA can also ship other things and want to parallel.p2 Or they could just want to talk about things that are similar. If it’s not antiwa there’s no reason not to also tag it wa. As long as something isn’t anti wa who is anyone to gatekeep what can and cannot be in there. As someone who knows how much time it takes to make gifs it’s especially grating. We all love Wa, but not everyone ships only WA or may ship something more. Just because you ship something else too or even more, doesn’t mean you cannot have an opinion and tag it (if not anti)p3/ and no this is not something that has happened to me (and is not about any one ship) it’s just something i’ve seen and it’s been bothering me more and more because fellow WA fans are being being treated pretty rudely for no reason. Sorry had to unload.p5/ adding: not pointing at entire fandom (very nice mostly) or anyone specific, just a few!

I don’t like policing people myself, so I agree that it’s not fair to police others either. But at the same time, I get that it feels suspect when people you never see in the tag otherwise are only there to (it feels like) make their ship look good. But we don’t know what is in the hearts of others, and most of us don’t wanna scroll to find out what’s in their tumblrs either. So I prefer to think the best of people until proven wrong.

I used to make parallels between WA and other ships, so I know the reaction that gets lol. I’ve mostly stopped doing it because it made some of my fellow shippers mad and because I saw people who were otherwise antis using my sets to validate their own ships. So I get both sides of it, but I agree with you that all fandoms could always stand to be a more positive place.

Either tumblr ate part 4 or it was misnumbered, sorry! Either way, I agree with you that only a few people do this.

#the flash #tatiana's thoughts #westallen #anonymous #more asks under the cut #long post for ts #negativity for ts

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terrencellovesyou · 7 years

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It’s time for one of my wonderful rants

I was bored ~still am by the way~ and I decided to go through both the anti-Dair and anti-Chair tags on Tumblr. Well, it has been a while since I’ve decided that I wanted to write my opinion on all of this, but with university and my internship, time wasn’t really something I had. Anyway, if you are bored as well and want to read what I’m about to say, I would be thrilled, especially if any of you have any opinion on it, regardless of who you ship.

So, Gossip Girl first episode came out almost 10 years ago, yeah I know, and I still watch it periodically. I first started watching the show when I was 11 years old and I instantly became obsessed. As the years went by I matured, when through all kinds of life experiences (especially in the last couple years) that made me view some aspects of the show differently. Since my Tumblr name is waldorfbasss you can infer that I ship Chair.

As I said, I was bored and went through both tags to read people`s opinions on both relationships, analyzing what Chair shippers thought of Dair and Chair, and vice-versa. It was clear that both sides are completely biased and I could say that Dan and Blair shippers are a little more delusional (I promise I’m not being partial, or at least I’m trying not to be). Why do I say that? Because if you go on the anti-Chair tag, one of the first posts you’ll see is a gifset comparing the terrible things Chuck has said to Blair to the good ones Dan said. I think it’s valid, honestly, but let’s not forget to do the comparison for both sides. I thought I had seen a gifset doing exactly that, but I did not find it, but anyway. You can point out things in a way that is more beneficial to prove your point, and that works for basically anything in life. Chuck did his share of dreadful things to Blair, I’m not even gonna try to deny that, but so did Dan, and worse, he was supposed to be older and presumably, more mature and he always pretended to be better.

There are two key points when it comes to Chair critics: Chuck was abusive and a horrible person, who manipulated Blair and made her be less than she was. First things first, I don’t know how many times I’ll have to say this but BLAIR WALDORF WAS NEVER A FUCKING SAINT. It amazes me how people in general forget who was the most manipulative and bitchy character in Gossip Girl and try to put on Chuck all the blame of being a “horrible person”. I’m not defending Chuck at all, especially when it comes to the Empire/Blair trade and the “you are mine” + accidently hurting her with glass. Both attitudes were despicable and way worse than anything Dan has done, but (yeah there’s a but), those were clear mistakes that he later on apologized for (and was forgiven), and most importantly, did not commit again, or anything remotely close to that. In spite of these two “episodes” Chuck and Blair’s relationship was not abusive. Yes, you read it write. If you don’t believe me just google “abusive relationship”. I’m not saying, though, that it was one hundred percent healthy or that those two very specific moments were not abusive. You can say Chuck was manipulative, but so was Blair. This was actually a trait that they liked about each other, together with their games and schemes. Since we mentioned the two horrible things Chuck did to Blair, I should also point out when Blair was blatantly abusive to Chuck. Do you guys remember when Chuck was dating Eva and minding his own business, when Blair did everything she could to put Eva down and destroy their relationship, just because Chuck was happy with someone who was not her? Or when Blair made him wait for her while she dated Dan? They were both abusive assholes to one another in specific scenarios and extremely manipulative on a regular basis (as said before, they weren’t in a healthy relationship for some of the time), but they both were and at first they didn’t mind, but later decided to grow out of it.

Argument number two: Chuck was a horrible person. There are a lot of things to say about this, inside and outside of the tv show context. It’s obvious that he abused two girls (Serena and Jenny) trying to rape them both on the pilot, but that was a fucking pilot, he even had a mother and rode the bus, so. I’m not trying to excuse him on this one, but when saying thigs like that, the whole context should be taken into consideration. He was still a pig on season one and on other occasions, but, fortunately, he matured and changed (I know, right? Unbelievable that people can actually change wow). Chuck was a horrible person, but he started to change and mature during season four and five, and it’s clear by the end of this extremely bad written tv show, that he had become a better person (by the way, best character development on the show). People change, grow up and mature (eventually), even if it is for worse, which was Dan’s case.

It’s ridiculous hearing people say Blair was weak around Chuck and that her goals revolved around him solely. Blair was strong and independent since day one, she never bowed herself for men (except when she dated Dan, an OOC moment). Season six was a mess, but don’t get me started on how much Chuck encouraged Blair on everything and I quote “Don't let anyone tell you you're not powerful. You're the most powerful woman I know.”. What a horrible selfish prick.

I wanna start off by talking about myself and my personal experience to justify what I’m about to say. As I mentioned before, I was 11 when I started watching Gossip Girl and I never kissed anyone until I was 18 and that guy ended up being my boyfriend for two and a half years. So, before the end of 2014 I didn’t even know what kissing was, let alone the dynamic of a relationship. Being broken up now for four months after two and a half years with someone, I can base a lot on my personal experience. As soon as I broke up I started rewatching GG for the 17th time and when Dair started happening I actually didn’t think they were as bad as I thought before [being in an actual relationship]. Not once, though, I liked it or thought it was cute, but I understood Blair a little better. If I had a friend like Dan was to Blair, I would probably give him a chance after my relationship ended, because I was fragile and missing having someone there.

The things I’m about to say, therefore, are based on what I saw of Dan and Blair’s relationship and on my personal experience. There are many things about Dair that are delusional and unrealistic (that I will gladly accept responses on) and with Dan himself. Again, first things first. Blair was in a really bad emotional place when she started dating Dan and that was so wrong and unfair to him, because, as you can see later, he fell for her and loved her, but she didn’t, she just needed someone to help her bounce back on her feet and he was there. The relationship started wrong right dair (got it?). Many of the Dair shippers defend that they were equals and that they liked the same stuff and, therefore, were perfect for each other. Well, trust me when I say that having things in common is not enough, especially when you are completely different people. Someone once said that Blair went from being an Audrey Hepburn fan to being a cult movie and art aficionado and I agree. This “common interest” was molded and created so that they would have something to bond over when they became friends, but even if we let the horrible writing aside, I’ll repeat, having things in common is not enough to neither make a relationship work or maintain a “good” relationship, let alone make it perfect. When you have different life perspectives, dreams and values it’s pretty damn hard to put those aside to consider only the points you think are good, and that happened a lot with Dair. Blair didn’t want to go to Rome for multiple reasons, but imagining that she did want to go, don’t you think that she would like to stay on the best hotel, eat at the most exclusive places and shop whenever she had the chance? And it’s clear to me that Dan would not be a fan of those things. As to the being equals part I don’t have to say much, I’ll just take Blair’s words from season six “tasks are for minions and Dan Humphrey”. They were not equals and definitely didn’t see each other as such.

What gets me the most about this relationship is that Dan never truly loved Blair Waldorf. As I mentioned before, Dan said his amount of shitty things to/about Blair, and he thought he was right. Dan built in his mind what he wanted Blair to be, cutting of all of the things he didn’t like and pretending they didn’t exist. He fell in love with Claire, his character from Insider. It was nothing other than an idealistic Blair that he manufactured to be what he wanted, but who in the real world had a lot of the flaws he despised.

Another aspect that is really interesting to me is how can people say that Chuck was horrible and put Dan on a “great guy” pedestal? Did you forget that he manipulated everyone around him? He was Gossip Girl for fucks sake. It was sociopathic the way he maneuvered the scenarios and planted the gossip that was good for him, such as posting that video on Blair’s wedding and posing as the victim, so she would think Chuck had done it and go running back to him for support. I’m not talking exclusively about Blair in here. Dan was creepy and in the end the most disturbing thing about GG’s finale was how easy everyone accepted the fact that he was manipulating information, plotting and using people to get what he wanted. Regardless of Dair, Dan was the worst character in the show, since season one, only getting worse with time.

I could go on and on about both relationships, but I just wanted, on this post, point out the mainly points I saw on those two tags. I am pretty aware of all the flaws Chuck and Blair’s relationship had, but one thing people don’t seem to get is that they were both disturbed and dark, but they matured and changed. They are extremely alike in more ways than one. I hate that people forget how bad Blair is and blame it all on Chuck. As for Dan and Blair, they just didn’t match and the only thing they had in common was their love for movies. The same way all relationships have flaws, theirs did as well, and quite a lot, mostly because of the fact that Dan loved Claire and Blair loved Chuck. She was fragile and lost after losing Chuck and the baby, and then Louis; she needed someone and Dan was there, she used him (unconsciously of course). Dan on the other hand wanted to be Blair’s savior, like he wanted to be for Serena.

One thing I like to make pretty clear: Chair should not be relationship goals. Serena once said, “two wrongs make a twisted right”. Twisted right describes them perfectly, they are dark twisted and troubled, but somehow, they are right for each other. Chuck evolved and matured and so did Blair, but neither are examples of great people. Nor is their relationship an example of healthy. Their evolution, though, is something to take into consideration. The way they wanted to be equals and have their minds set and focused on the relationship is awesome. Their relationship, especially in the end, has great lessons, both good and bad.

We are adults and should be able to spot the differences between fiction and reality, to be able to see what’s wrong on tv and try not to mimic in real life. This serves for all the relationships, not only the ones involving Blair or Gossip Girl.

#chuck and blair #blair and chuck #chuck x blair #blair x chuck #blair waldorf #chuck bass #gossip girl #anti chair #anti dair #Dan Humphrey #dair

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