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youareunbearable · 3 years

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So I had an idea that the Elven royalty of Valinor would apprentice in the houses of a Vala and I mostly talked about how Maedhros would be a student of Nienna, but now im thinking about the other Finweians

For the House of Feanor, him, Nerdanel, Curufin, and Tyelpe would obvisiouly be students of Aule, which is a house that teaches curiosity, cleverness, perseverance, and initiative. But mostly allows a place for Elves to master the craft of choice

Maedhros is obviously a student of Nienna, which is all about pity, forgivness, hope, and endurance

Maglor, i was humming and hawing but decided he would be a student of Irmo, but a really poor one in the traditional sense of learning the traits the Vala teaches. Instead he spends his time in Lorien learning Songs and how to master the power of the Music around him. Here he learns how to make his voice a weapon, and also learn a few healing songs as well that he could teach Elrond later

Celegorm and Ambarussa are also, rather obviously, members of Orome Hunting Party. Celegorm is the most devout of all the Feanorians, and there was serious worry that he would choose to stay with Orome once his apprenticeship was done, and while he did end up returning home, he did spend lots of time within the forest, with Huan and the young twins at his side

Caranthir, i had trouble with him. While my mind says that he would be a student of Aule to further his craft (weaving and sewing) but my heart says that he would go the path no Elf has before, and become a student of Mandos. Working alongside the Vala of the dead, of punishment and judgment would really just go with his vibe as the "Dark Finwe" and his characteristics of being quick to judge others and having scorn for those he views as people who dont appreciate life (mortals and Elves who are blase about their gift of life or dont appreciate the beauty of the world and material things, because you cant take those with you when you die) Also in many mythos the god of death is often rich, which is something Caranthir is as well. Mostly I think he would just learn how to do paperwork really well in Mandos' Halls, and that the Oath would have scared him so much at the threat of being cast into the Void for failing

For the House of Fingolfin, I think Fingolfin himself was a student of Tulkas. For I think he would have learned a lot from the Vala that is slow to anger but also slow to forgive. He's also steadfast, strong, and i love the idea that as Fingolfin faced down Morgoth, he laughed at him just as Tulkas did, which frightened Morgoth enough that he could land his seven blows

Anaire and Argon, I think, were were traditional Noldor and were students of Aule, but not for smithing. I think that Anaire was fond of papermaking and paper based artwork. The origami flowers she could make would look so real, and when her family left Valinor she gave her husband and childern each one. None survived the First Age, the last one (Turgon's) burning in Sirion during the Third Kinslaying. Argon, I like to think, was fond of woodworking. Since he was so impulsive and bouncy, he would often whittle as he sat somewhere, making these cute little figurines.

Fingon was, again obviously, a favoured student of Manwe for his valor, his forgiveness, his leadership, and for the songs and poems he would write and ask for opinions. He wrote many love poems in his youth with Maedhros as the subject, which I think helped endear the Vala towards Fingon's plea when he saved Maedhros

Turgon was a favoured student of Ulmo, for he loved those around him just as fiercely as the Vala loved the children of Iluvatar, and he kept himself isolated within his kingdom from his peers just as Ulmo stays in the waters away from the Valar

Idril would have been to young to become an apprentice when her family left Valinor, but she would be thinking of joining Ulmo, just like her dad

Whereas Aredhel was a student of Orome, and while she wasn't as fond of the hunting part (she still enjoyed it but not to the level of her Fenorian cousins) she mostly enjoyed the freedom and the riding. Her white dress as much of a beacon against evil as Oromes white horse Nahar was, and her laughter was loud and would ring through the woods to banish evil just like Valaroma

For the House of Finarfin, He, Finrod, and Angrod were all students of Ulmo (odd for Finarfin who is a child of Noldor and Vanyar, but considered normal for his children, who were part Teleri) and the traits of the Vala showed differently in each of them. Finrod showcased Ulmo's love and care for all living beings, Finarfin had his wisdom and common sense, and Angrod had his temper, dark and deep and slow to forgive. All of them were also more isolated from their other cousins, or siblings. By staying behind in Valinor, by settling within a cave city, or leaving for the North with his brother, leaving the rest of his family behind for human companions.

Orodreth wouldn't have been old enough to become an apprentice when his family left Valinor, just like Idril, but if he had stayed he would become a student of Aule to further his enjoyment of painting with oils and charcoal

Aegnor, I think would be like his mother Earwen and serve the Vala Vana. He has a love for beauty and all living things, and fights with the passion of fire, of the sun that Vana created from her grief, in his eyes.

Galadriel, in turn, would be a true student of Irmo (something that she always lorded over Maglor) and was gifted with the power of visions of future. She loves her secret gardens and was always working in the backround of her family's drama. But, she would sometimes lose herself in her visions of the future and the glory of the past and she would need to be grounded by those around her to be in the present. It was also why Celebrimbor would gift his favourite aunt with the Elfstone, something to help her not get lost withing the dreams of the past by allowing her to stay and appreciate the beauty of the present.

For the rest of the family members, Findis would have been a student of Yavanna, Irime would be a student of Tulkas, and Indis was a studnet of Manwe, something that helped her marry Finwe after the death of his first wife, for if there is one thing Manwe is, its being a sucker for people in love.

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heartofoshun · 6 years

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Silmarillion Questions: Tagged by @jane-ways

– thanks for thinking of me!

How do you think the Oath worked practically? I like to write it as magic—it sleeps and then awakens under certain in-world pressures and then it is all but impossible to resist. I think Tolkien wrote it under the influence of belief systems in the Northern tradition which considered one’s sworn oath to be sacred—to break it was the lowest thing a warrior could do. For him, it makes a great story conflict—absolute fealty to a sworn oath even if it will lead to one’s doom. He makes us love the Noldor (he does!!) and then rips our hearts out. Incomparable storytelling. But the guy is filled with contradictions. His modern, Catholic-self thought that the oath could and should be broken if in contradiction to other moral issues. (It’s a long discussion. Too long to have here.) I ask myself, how come the good characters in The Silmarillion are not nearly as appealing and attractive as the ones Tolkien wants us to judge? Accidental or intentional? Were the Valar in the right to bring the Elves to Valinor? No. The One/Eru never intended the Secondborn (Men) be left alone in Middle-earth to face Morgoth and without the aid of the Firstborn (Elves). I do not doubt the good intentions of the Valar, but they did not consider the implications of their action. And they did not consider that not all of the Elves would appreciate the trade of freedom for a gilded cage. They claimed the Noldor were free to leave, but then cursed them—leave and you can’t come back, no help from us, and unnumbered tears you shall shed—wow, harsh!

Which Silm character do you find the most relatable personally and why? Probably Fingon. I love his loyalty and his courage. He is a real hero over and over, rescuing Maedhros alone, facing down the first dragon they encounter, acting as military commander-in-chief throughout his father’s reign. His extraordinary personal heroism and his epic friendship (or more) with Maedhros makes him incredibly attractive, but his political instincts and leadership qualities were sound also. He is said to have “resolved to heal the feud that divided the Noldor, before their Enemy should be ready for war.” While he lived, he was able to hold the Noldor together, despite differences, after their reconciliation, which he, along with Maedhros, had engineered. If you could ask one character one question (to get clarification on their motives, to ask their opinion etc), who would you ask and what? Finrod. I’d like a fully developed and detailed answer as to why he came to Middle-earth. I adore Finrod—what’s not to like—but there is not a clear enough motivation for leaving. An urge for travel and adventure? Intellectual curiosity? An attachment to his cousins? I’d like to hear it from his POV. Would you have gone with Fëanor, Fingolfin or Finarfin?I’d have follow Fëanor – the revolutionary who thought for himself and didn’t accept received-wisdom without reasoning. He fought for the rights of his people to make their own decisions and for their self-determination. By the time the Valar had released Morgoth, he had no reason to trust their judgment over his own. It’s canon that he did many things better than did them. I am inspired by Fëanor’s words, along with the 90 percent of the Noldor who left Aman: “We are threatened with many evils, and treason not least; but one thing is not said: that we shall suffer from cowardice, from cravens or the fear of cravens. Therefore I say that we will go on, and to this doom I add: the deeds that we shall do shall be the matter of song until the last days of Arda.” I’m not nearly as moved by the motivations of the others or lack thereof. Fingolfin did what he saw as his duty: not to abandon the Noldor, to avenge his father, and, originally, with perhaps a bit of ambition to hang onto the crown. Finarfin withdrew to make his peace with the Valar (and his wife’s people, whom he loved; and his mother and her people whom he revered). I do not condemn Fëanor’s brothers’ motivations out of hand, but only say that for myself he would have been the one of the three who could have lit a fire under me. What do you think was the determining factor/reasoning behind the Doom of the Noldor? Does it hold for scrutiny in your opinion? It was a threat pure and simple. There should have been no punishment at all. Quite the contrary, they should have been willing to help them out in Middle-earth, early and often. One cannot offer aid only with precise and restrictive conditions that effectively take away one’s freedom to make decision (as much the Valar argued that was not their intention). Who is the scariest of Tolkien’s characters? That light-sucking spider who scared the shit out of Melkor himself. Any other versions of a story you prefer over the version published in the Silm? I tend to like the Silmarillion the best. But I do like so many of the added details. The ones that add to backstory and flesh-out characterization. Things like Law and Customs Among the Eldar not so much. In my own stories, I had constructed an outline and written a novel and a couple of novellas before I ever encountered certain characters. So, I was not prepared to go back and re-write those. Favourite story of the legendarium and why? There are so many! I first was attracted to Fingon rescuing Maedhros and the two them reuniting the Noldor. I loved Fingolfin bringing so many of the peoples of Middle-earth together at the Mereth Aderthad, despite Thingol’s resistance. I love Fingon and Maedhros’ bromance/romance and their maintaining the military alliance that held back Morgoth for nearly 500 years. I love all of the sons of Fëanor (Curufin a little less than the rest—Sorry! I know he had a hard life—just like his father only not nearly as brilliant—poor guy!). I count Huan among the Family—what a hound! He’s the good part of the story of Beren and Lúthien—the rest is kind of a snooze for me (heresy, I know). I love Fëanor and Nerdanel—the power couple of the power people! OMG! I want to reunite them! I love Finarfin (despite him make the wrong choice about going into exile)—love his wife and his kids and his non-Noldorin preference for the Telerin names and customs. I adore Tuor—especially the part of coming to Gondor and running into Voronwë, the sea god, and the swans, and finding the armor (that’s awesome storytelling!). Of course I love Arehel and Galadriel! Dark and light. Impulse and cunning. Wonderful women, who should have had more space. I love Idril, getting her hands dirty as an engineer in Gondolin and saving so many, with a little help from Ecthelion and Glorfindel and her husband. I love Idril and Tuor’s baby Eärendil—so heartbreakingly cute—dipping into HoMe for that! I love Ecthelion and Glorfindel—the descriptions of those two alone would make me love them without their deeds. Giving short shrift here to the Sindar—but I have plenty of crushes among them also: Daeron, Beleg, and Mablung. How about Húrin saying good-bye to his wife and kid and his brass balls at the Battle of Unnumbered Tears? And Azaghâl at Unnumbered Tears: “the Dwarves raised up the body of Azaghâl and bore it away; and with slow steps they walked behind singing a dirge in deep voices.” I want to see that filmed. Last but not least, Maedhros, Maglor, Elrond, and Elros! There are so many more great storylines and so much delicious heartbreak! Almost forgot to mention how much I adore Finrod--so much so that he get’s a citation from the bio I wrote for him: “He is a brilliant, beautiful, golden icon, bigger-than-life, and shaped from the same heroic mold as all of his flame-eyed compatriots, those notorious and charismatic Noldorin Lords of the West. If that were not enough, Finrod is also a great wizard, a friend to Men and Dwarves, and loyal to his allies and closest kinsmen, even when faced with safeguarding their dirtiest secrets. While his virtues are extolled well beyond those of any of his cousins or brothers, Finrod remains just flawed enough to be sexy.” And non-Quenta Silmarillion stories? Well, there is that three-volume book about the Third Age and its outcome. Not to mention Númenor. Don’t make me chose! The latest thing you learned that made you reconsider or change your view on something in Tolkien’s world? Honestly, I do that constantly. I have to admit I get the most enlightenment from within the fandom and not from the voluminous works of Tolkien scholars I read when I am doing research for my own non-fiction ruminations. Thoughts on Fëanor not wanting to share the Silmarils after the Darkening? I have to agree with @jane-ways who said it felt “like it had more to do with his distrust of the Valar than selfishness.” And, not even Fëanor himself could replicate them for a part of his life force was spent in their creation. Nonetheless, the Valar insisted that he relinquish them. Only Aulë appeared to understand the breaking of the Silmarils would result in the destruction of Fëanor. He told his brethren: “We ask a greater thing than thou knowest. Let him have peace yet awhile.'” Of course, they ignored him, the one amongst them who understood Fëanor best.

I’m tagging @vefanyar, @himring, @nimium-amatrix-ingenii-sui @lucifers-cuvette, @ignoblebard , @grundyscribbling @imindhowwelayinjune anyone else who would like to answer!

#silmarillion questions #noldor lover #all the doomed elves #canon heretic

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legolasgoldy · 7 years

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3 fandoms tag

RULES: choose any three fandoms (in random order) and answer the questions. Then tag some friends tagged by @mannimarco-king-of-dongs ty <33

I choose: Tolkien, xmen, anddddd ummm for the sake of never having mentioned it before.. Divergent.

The first character you loved:

Tolkien : My fave character was Legolas but this was before the actual live action movies were made, I had the cartoon on tape and I loved cartoon Legolas because he was on a shiny horse XD I really liked cartoon Galadriel too because she was pretty.

Xmen: Umm well when I first started watching xmen i had quite the crush on Wolverine, dont ask me why but I thought he was the bees knees.

Divergent: Sort of a mix between Four and Eric. Eric has a nice booty X’D and Four had that ‘ima protect you bc i love you’ thing going on and thats greatt <3

The character you never expected to love so much:

Tolkien: Finrod. I didnt really know much about him and the first time I started reading the Silm I just read right past him until i started learning more about him.

Xmen: Umm Kurt. Simply bc I barely remembered adult Kurt in that one xmen movie, I had watched it a long long time ago and he always seemed kinda scary to lil bitty me. but now... HES MY PRECIOUS BLUEBERRY SON

Divergent: Eric... bc hes a bad guy..but he was so cute..

The character you relate to most:

Tolkien: tbh? Finrod bc of his reckless loyalty and deep love for everyone he knows. And his kind sweet poor heart ;-; I could never list all the thing this meme would be hella long.

Xmen: Umm probably Jean, because everyone always made fun of me and stayed away from me in school too.

Divergent: Umm maybe Tris? because I cant think of anyone else and I doubt i could fit into one category. I’d probs be divergent i guess?

The character you’d slap:

Tolkien: CURUFIN

Xmen: Magneto, but only to slap some sense into him. Bro you keep making the same mistake over and over again and feeling bad after. STAHP

Divergent: ERIC i have a love hate relationship with him XD

Three favorite characters:

Tolkien: Finrod, Maglor, Maedhros? Its hard to choose only three

Xmen: umm Kurt, Quicksilver, and.. Laura </3

Divergent: Four, Eric, Tris

A character you liked at first but not so much anymore:

Tolkien: umm probs Curufin bc at first I didnt realize how big of a douche he was.

Xmen: Scott bc he got on my nerves in one of the older movies

Divergent: That one guy who was friends with Tris but then tried to kill her.

A character you did not like at first, but they’ve grown on you:

Tolkien: ...Mairon XD

Xmen: Jean

Divergent:...Um maybe Four in divergent? Its complicated i love him but at first he was a jerk in the first part of the movie just bc he was tryina seem tough in front of people so they didnt get rid of him essentially? The second he turned nice i was all for him XD

3 OTPs:

Tolkien: FINROD/MAGLOR <3, Fingon/Maedhros, Aegnor/Andreth

Xmen: I honestly dont have one (unless with ocs and that doesnt count on this)

Divergent: Um dont have three aside from Four and Tris

Tagging:

@mikhailvalhidris, @minstrelmaglor ,@truesanguinesoul ,@driftinglightofthewoods ,@i-dream-of-oceans ,@this-is-gizmo ,@driftwoodprince ,@eomer ,@justadutchperson ,@cinemairon ,@kashyuri-art, @cestla-viee ( You dont have to do it if you dont wanna <3)

#I was tagged #mannimarco-king-of-dongs #THANK YOU!! :D

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