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#People say 'Neelix is so pushy with Tuvok!' and you know what? I think Tuvok can handle it. I think maybe he does need to be pushed -
bumblingbabooshka · 2 months
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B'Elanna, Neelix, Tuvok and Chakotay needed to star in an episode where they just talked about their different beliefs and approaches to spirituality/religion. Paired off and all together. I need to gain more insight. I need characterization and I need it to be messy.
#B'Elanna's difficulty with Klingon myths and religion (especially due to her internalized racism)#Chakotay's current strong belief in his own spirituality despite his initial complete rejection of it (and how B'Elanna seems to admire#and have talked with Chakotay about it extensively in the past given how many specifics she's aware of)#Neelix's belief in an afterlife being the only thing that comforted him after his entire family was killed - the knowledge that he would be#able to reunite with them again and that knowledge being ripped away from him#Does he still believe? Are there other aspects of his previous spiritual beliefs that are thrown into question?#Just because it isn't 'real' does it make it unimportant? How do we even know whether or not it's 'real'?#He died and doesn't remember reaching that tree and seeing his family - does that mean it didn't happen?#Tuvok's line in 'Innocence' about how he's begun to have doubts about whether or not a katra exists and what happens after someone dies#and his firm ties to Vulcan spirituality and ritual#ALL SO INTERESTING!!!!!!!!#star trek voyager#I don't think it'd be a calm or healthy conversation either - they're not therapists and I don't think anyone but Chakotay#would be particularly careful with his words#and before you say Tuvok's a Vulcan so he would be let me remind you that Tuvok told B'Elanna to her face that he thought Klingons#were basically savages - he is INDELICATE to say the least#Neelix is careful with his words bc he's a people pleaser for survival but also he has a tendency to bother people and be overly pushy#and I think he'd do a lot of research and be the one leading the conversation/the reason they get on the topic and continue on it#B'Elanna wouldn't want to talk about it. She wants to talk about it the least. But she must!!!! Bc the episode demands it!!#st voy
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741. [VOY] Lineage
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(5/5 stars)
B'Elanna is going to work in a very good mood, so cheery it's borderline creepy. She has a sudden shift to crankiness when she sees Seven and Icheb working on the mezzanine without her authorization, but before she can read them the riot act, she feels lightheaded and begins to collapse. Icheb scans her and detects a foreign lifesign in her and worries she has a parasite, but Seven is a little wiser than that and calls the Doctor to expect a pregnant patient.
The Doctor gives her a clean bill of health, citing her fainting spell as just a clash of human and Klingon metabolisms, but he doesn't expect any major issues. B'Elanna doesn't want to know the sex of the baby yet, and she wants to keep the news between just her and Tom for now, but unfortunately, Icheb and Seven did not get that memo, and before they know it, they're each being congratulated by virtually every member of the crew.
He shows them a holographic projection of their child's spine ten months after birth, and there is pronounced curvature. B'Elanna notes that she had the same thing as a baby and had corrective surgery, as did her mother, so she's not too concerned with it. The Doctor accidentally lets the cat out of the bag on sex when he says that it runs in Klingon families, especially females. He attempts to backpedal but they say it's okay. Treatment has advanced since B'Elanna was born and surgery won't be necessary anymore as he can treat the imperfection genetically. Since he's analyzed the baby's genome, they ask him to show them a holographic recreation of the whole baby. Tom thinks the baby is beautiful and looks "just like her mother," but B'Elanna sees the ridges with consternation and begins having flashbacks.
When she was about twelve, her human father took her on a camping trip with her cousins and uncle. One of the cousins, a little shit, dropped a live worm on B'Elanna's sandwich since he heard Klingons prefer live food. This caused B'Elanna to get upset and run off until dark. When she returned, her dad took her aside and told her to not be so sensitive about her shitty racist cousins or the shitty racist kids at school and tried to relate it to when he was a kid and kids called him Snorres because he'd sleep in class. That's totally the same thing. Later that night, she overheard her dad and uncle talking where he confessed that he's having problems dealing with a household with two Klingons, and how he ignored his mother's advice not to marry a Klingon and appeared to now regret it.
After the genetic treatment is performed, B'Elanna goes to the holodeck and runs simulations on what her daughter will look like if she starts removing Klingon genes, and continues until the projected 12-year-old image of her daughter no longer has ridges. She proposes making these changes to the Doctor, but he isn't willing to just hack up her child's DNA willy-nilly. He tells her to discuss it with Tom while he agrees to at least look over B'Elanna's findings. Tom is totally opposed to this course of treatment, and the conversation leads to one where B'Elanna essentially tells Tom to check his human privilege because he doesn't know what it's like growing up when everyone is one way and you're another. She has struggled with her mixed heritage her whole life and doesn't want her daughter to go through the same thing she did.
They can't come to an agreement, and after B'Elanna unsuccessfully tries to get Janeway involved to override the Doctor's objections and has a further argument with Tom in the hallway, she locks him out of their quarters, so he spends the night at Harry's. The next morning, she's walking to the mess hall with Chakotay when Tom comes along, and Chakotay conveniently remembers that he's forgotten something, leaving the two alone to reconcile. They're soon called to sickbay, where the Doctor has revealed that after reviewing B'Elanna's findings, he thinks the alterations are now necessary as they point to metabolic incapatabilities between the human and Klingon genes. He says the sooner they treat, the better, and has scheduled the procedure for the morning.
Something doesn't sit right about the Doctor's sudden change of heart, and Tom takes his findings to Seven and Icheb to review. Icheb finds immediate problems with the Doctor's analysis, and he's not one to usually make mistakes. Seven realizes B'Elanna has tampered with his program, and Tom tries to hail her but gets no response. She's in Sickbay, where she's opted not to wait until morning to undergo the procedure. She's locked out the room and it takes Tuvok's security team to force the door open. After they tell the Doctor that his program has been altered, he agrees to deactivate himself until they can sort it out.
Tom has everyone else clear out of sickbay so he can talk things out with his wife. She relates the story of her camping trip with her father, and how after overhearing his complaints about how hard it is to live with Klingons, she stormed out of her tent and told him he should just leave. Two weeks later, he left. Tom realizes she fears he'll walk out on her too, and promises he'd never do that and he hopes to have many Klingon babies in their future. The Doctor's program is restored, and B'Elanna apologizes for altering it and asks the Doctor to be the child's godfather. The baby starts to kick, and she asks to see the projection one more time. "She is cute, isn't she?"
NITPICKS
At 8 years old, Alexander Rozhekno was already matured to the equivalent of a human teenager despite being a human/Klingon hybrid. Here is B'Elanna at 12, and she's only just as matured as a fully human 12-year-old. It could be that Klingon males and females develop at different rates, or an unusual interaction between the two genomes that express differently per sex.
When did Harry switch from clarinet to saxophone? I know they are played similarly, but this is the first time we've seen him play the sax.
FAVORITE QUOTES
Icheb: I'm detecting another lifesign. Seven: Where? Icheb: Inside Lieutenant Torres. It could be a parasite. [Seven checks his tricorder readings.] Seven: Seven of Nine to the Doctor. Doctor: Go ahead. Seven: I'll be accompanying Lieutenant Torres to Sickbay. Doctor: What's wrong? Seven: I believe she's pregnant.
Chakotay: Have you checked the warp core for radiation leaks today? Torres: No. Why? Chakotay: You have a certain glow about you.
Kim: It's all over now. No more late nights on the holodeck. No more racing the Delta Flyer. Paris: Don't you think you're exaggerating just a little? Kim: I've seen it happen. The new dad gets tied down with family. Old friends drop away. Paris: It's fatherhood , Harry, not exile. Kim: If you say so.
Tuvok: Offspring can be disturbingly illogical, yet profoundly fulfilling. You should anticipate paradox.
Paris: Maybe a change of scenery would help. How about the holodeck? Torres: That's your solution to everything.
Kim: Maybe you should tell her you understand. Paris: What good would that do? Kim: It might make her less defensive, and then maybe it would be easier for her to see your point of view. Paris: What if she can't? Kim: Like I said, my couch is your couch.
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bumblingbabooshka · 1 month
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One of the best Voyager scenes to indicate Tuvok & Neelix's dynamic and how I think Tuvok is just as if not more 'annoying'(positive) than Neelix is when Neelix pours Tuvok a fresh squeezed glass of a fruit juice blend and Tuvok's like (paraphrased) "I don't want to drink this." and Neelix is like "Can you please try it?" and Tuvok's like "I don't want to, you're really bad at this sort of thing. It's going to taste bad." and Neelix says that Ensign XYZ said she LOVED it, she even had a second glass! And Tuvok says Ensign XYZ could drink poison without a second thought and Neelix is like "Tuvok could you please just TRY it? Just try a little SIP of it PLEASE??" and Tuvok sighs and rolls his eyes and sniffs it before taking a sip and it turns out he loves it. Turns out it tasted good actually. And then after all that Neelix tries to talk to him over eggs (which he's again cooking fresh for him) and Tuvok tells him he doesn't wanna hear "the life history of his breakfast." Absolutely insufferable this man I would have burned his eggs on PURPOSE!!!!
#I love Neelix so much and I think he and Tuvok are very funny together - irritating4irritating#People say 'Neelix is so pushy with Tuvok!' and you know what? I think Tuvok can handle it. I think maybe he does need to be pushed -#down a flight of stairs. (he's my favorite character and he's so annoying...TUVOK!!!!!)#Tuvok: -kicking and screaming- I don't want to drink the juice!!! It's poison!!! You're trying to poison me!!!!!!!!!#Neelix: Can you please drink the juice. The fresh squeezed juice I made for you Mr. Vulcan??? Can you please???#Tuvok: Fine but if I die it's your fault. If I die from the poison you're FORCING me to drink it's on y- Oh this is delicious actually.#and don't tell me 'Neelix didn't make it SPECIFICALLY for Tuvok' bc I know he didn't but he says#'I'll start squeezing that second glass!' after Tuvok finishes his sip so he IS freshly squeezing it#Neelix: -makes Tuvok fresh squeezed juice-#Tuvok: Are you trying to poison me???#Neelix: -talks to Tuvok while making his eggs-#Tuvok: Can you be quiet???#<- TUVOK!!!!!!!! I'M GONNA KILL YOU EHHEHEHEH <3#Tuvok is the most annoying guy ever bc he doesn't care about what people think and is a snob with a lowkey superiority complex#vs Neelix is perceived as annoying (post his relationship with Kes) bc he cares a lot about being useful and helping the crew and sometimes#is too pushy because of that but listen...I think Neelix is sweet and genuinely trying his best - after the Kes plotline with him ends I#really don't find him objectionable. Just chatty & a bit overbearing maybe Meanwhile Tuvok !!!#Meanwhile Tuvok!!!!!!!!! HHEHEHHE#st voyager#star trek voyager#I think they should have done more with Neelix thinking the crew of Voyager were spoiled - specifically how Tuvok acts Like That sometimes#little lord Tuvok. oH SORRY...for DEIGNING to speak while preparing your eggs your HIGHNESS!!#I think people do a disservice to Tuvok by not talking more about how he's kind of a hardass and a snob v_v also a disservice to Janeway#indirectly bc her bestie is kind of a hardass and a snob and what does that say about her??#I also wish Neelix kept up a bit of that 'these people are crazy and also so soft oh my god shut up about the food being bad - we're trying#to SURVIVE!!! Eat the Leola Root!!' from the earlier seasons...I like when he shows he has a bit of bite#It's just funny and interesting that Janeway isn't friends with Tuvok bc he's 'not like other Vulcans' - she's friends with the most#Vulcany Vulcan ever and I love that for them.#CRIMINAL that we don't ever get any in-depth insight into their friendship#Tuvok
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