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karama9 · 5 years

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ML Sugar and commentary: Animaestro

So it turns out I still don’t have the kind of follow-through ability required to do one of these for every episode of season 2, even though they do all deserve it, but I wanted to quickly go through Animaestro... for pretty much the same reason this started in the first place: thanks to people tagging their salt (much appreciated btw), I can void most of it, but nobody can be expected to remember all the time, and I don’t have the tag blocked on twitter, so I still stumble upon some of it.

Which means I want to re-establish some balance!

So, right from the first scene, we get two big treats: the PV is now an actual movie in the ML verse, and we got a great Ladynoir/Marichat (it’s Marinette but she’s kind of reacting as Ladybug) moment: Marinette reacted to the movie title having Cat Noir’s name before hers, and to the idea that Ladybug couldn’t do anything without Cat Noir, and to the idea that she was afraid of cats... by protesting she was not afraid of cats.

Cat Noir gets first billing? No problem there, they’re a team, he’s just as important as she is so it doesn’t matter either way. Pushing it to saying she can’t do anything without him? No problem either. She does need him. This whole scene shows how highly she’s come to think of him and I love it. Master Fu has been clear that he sees her as the leader and he relies on her more, she knows she’s the one who purifies the akumas, she knows she’s the one who’s picked allies so far. But it doesn’t detract from the fact she sees Cat as an equal and an essential ally. She’s not just saying that when he asks her whether he can be replaced, she means it from the bottom of her heart and this one little line in this one little scene proves it.

(On a lighter note, is her supposed fear of cats going to be a joke when she uses the mouse miraculous?)

Kagami scaring away Chloe was very cathartic. I really like Kagami as a character... she’d be too overbearing for me to enjoy her company in real life, but she’s a wonderful example of strength and confidence. And I really want to know what her Mom and Gabriel are up to!

Adrien being a perfect little gentleman but being nervous enough to not think of just brushing the crumbs off the chair was touching. I don’t think it’s out of feelings for Kagami... it’s about expectations. Must. Be. Perfect. Eep! Dirty Chair! No, no, not acceptable! Adrien.exe has stopped working.

And speaking of dirty chair... how do we all feel about Marinette teaming up with Chloe to, basically, attempt to embarrass Kagami and drive Adrien away from her? I’ve seen some salt (as I mentioned above) and I know many fans feels like the girls are being made to act petty more than the guys and that it’s not cool.

I disagree. Yes, Marinette and Chloe are misbehaving here. Yes, it was a bad idea. And yes, it was out of the fear of losing Adrien, so, over a love interest. The part I disagree with is the idea that the show keeps showing girls being mean to each other over crushes while all the guys are cool as cucumbers and do not act out because they’re in love.

The main villain is terrorizing Paris and willing to hurt as many people as it takes to get his love back. Andre Bourgeois does whatever it takes to secure the love of his wife and daughter. Cat Noir lies about his relationship with Ladybug to chase away a potential rival. Theo gets akumatized because he’s jealous. Nino chooses to stay with Alya in Zombizou rather than continue to try and help Ladybug solve the crisis. Ivan’s insecurities over his crush for Mylene led to StoneHeart. Kim decided that if he couldn’t have Chloe, nobody could have love.

It’s all romantic, and of course I don’t think Ivan, Kim or Nino are bad people, I most certainly don’t, but it’s all guys putting their love above everyone else’s interest. A lot of it is a big step above pranking your rival.

It’s also a theme. The show is all about emotions potentially leading to bad actions, and over and over again, we see that even love can be the catalyst. Did I mention the MAIN VILLAIN is acting out of love? And it’s not excused. It’s just a fact. That’s his motivation, and he chose to allow it to make him Hawkmoth and he chooses to hurt people for it.

Remember Star Wars? The Jedi are supposed to deny themselves romantic entanglement because love leads to fear, and fear leads to hate, and hate leads to the dark side? This is literally what’s happening in this show. Repeatedly. I’m not saying Thomas is taking inspiration from Star Wars, they’re both just drawing from the same idea that strong emotions can impair judgement and can also induce selfishness. It’s human nature.

And Marinette is not immune. Never has been. She’s been irrational about Adrien since day 1. Her and her friends pranked Gorilla to try and get a date, and also caused trouble for Roger by getting him involved. And this time, the stakes were artificially inflated because Marinette didn’t act out of fear Adrien might get closer to Kagami or just out of the desire to get closer to him - thanks to her famously overactive imagination and Chloe feeding into it, she convinced herself she might lose Adrien forever through his moving away.

Love led to fear, which led to desperate actions.

Now I actually like that this happened, because in the long run, when Marinette finds out what Hawkmoth is after, it’s going to hit very close to home. She’ll relate. She knows what it’s like to love someone so much that being with them suddenly justifies things nothing else would. She’ll either be conflicted on whether or not he’s all that bad after all, or she’ll realize she sinned too and learn to control her own emotions better. Quite possibly both.

And it’s not just the girls being like that. The guys are too and much more dramatically. So I don’t feel like it’s the girls being badly written. They’re written realistically, with love making them lose sight of the bigger picture.

So between the fun moments, the awesome akuma (seriously, how cool were those 2D transformations and references?? Very cool, that’s how cool), and Marinette struggling with her heart and getting not akumatized but led astray by her emotions and fears, I really enjoyed this episode.

And if someone tells you Marinette is written as doing bad things because she’s a girl and that it’s sexist writing, please remember that Gabriel Agreste, a man, is not putting cakes on chairs: he’s turning people into monsters and letting them try and destroy the city and hurt and/or kill people. With the hope that Ladybug will NOT be able to stop them, so it’s not like he knows it will all be reversed anyway. And if you need a non super villain example, Mayor Bourgeois is constantly committing injustice out of love for his family. He’s also a man. Both act much worse than Marinette ever did and they don’t have the excuse of still being a kid who also happens to live under more stress than average.

#ml sugar #Animaestro #ml spoilers #miraculous

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purrincess-chat · 5 years

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Alright @felorteguimiguez since you wanted me to “reply” to your “constructive criticism” here we go. Buckle your seat belt, children, we’re going for a ride.

+ Honestly, this is ... not very good. the story turns Lila into a deceitful person for no reason, ingorando that his parents are probably negligent and that they are divorced (just look for the name of the mother of lilay and you will notice something in his last name), makes Marinette even more in a Mary Sue of what she already is and everything is summed up "to lie is bad, Marinette was right, Lila was wrong, all of Solciana and only Lila learns something in a *part 2 becuse i did not know the* limit bad way". There is no development in Marittene THAT STILL DOES NOT LEARN FROM THE VOLPINE EPISODE and everything that is solved magically. I like how Rose begins to suspect clear Remember, this is just a constructive criticism

In response to this post for those wondering

Alright, let’s get started because we have a lot to unpack here.

So, you’ve told me that you’ve seen Catalyst, so my first question is did you watch it with your eyes open? It’s pretty bold of you to claim that I turned Lila into a “deceitful person for no reason” when in fact, canon did that from the moment she was introduced. Now, you argue that her parents are “probably negligent” or divorced because “look at her mom’s last name” or some shit, but let’s analyze this situation with our eyes open, mmkay?

Man, that mom sure gives no fucks about her daughter. Saying that she’s worried about all of these akumatizations and that she’s gonna try to do something about it so her daughter can feel safe and go back to school. I mean it’s really top notch parental negligence if you ask me.

Look how much apathy there is in the way she lovingly kisses her hair.

God, what selfish mom puts lunch in the fridge for their child so that they have something to eat while their parent has to be away? I mean, my loving mother just made me fix something myself when she had to work. What does she think Lila is so stupid she can’t fix herself a sandwich so she has to do it for her? The gall of that woman.

In case you haven’t caught on, I’m being sarcastic.

Cause I don’t buy into your idea that Lila is neglected because nothing in this scene supports that. Sure, her mom might be busy with work, but she clearly pays attention to Lila and does her best to take care of her, Lila is just really good at lying hence why she has gotten away with her shit for so long. Which truthfully, her whole situation doesn’t make sense because how in the hell has she gotten away with not going to school for several months? Especially if the principal has been trying to contact them and been unsuccessful? I’ll tell you why:

You bring up her mother’s last name, but I invite you do to your research before spouting ignorance.

Her mother doesn’t have a name. The animators just got lazy and reused a character model. So, no, you can’t prove that her parents are divorced just because we don’t see her dad and her mom has a “different last name.” We don’t see a lot of people’s parents in this show. Does that mean that Rose doesn’t have parents? Or Nino? Nathaniel? Kim? Max? Marc? Is everyone just an orphan just because their parents don’t appear on screen? Do people only exist when you can see them?

Also I invite you to read this analysis on why the term Mary Sue is bullshit, and then I encourage you to remove it from your vocabulary. And if we’re going to complain about Marinette “not getting development” since Volpina umm

I can’t say I know what you mean?

Let’s take a look at what Marinette says in this scene in Frozer, shall we?

“Actually, girls I don’t think I want to cancel. Adrien really needs me, and if he wants my advice then why not? Afterall, it’s not an issue, and I’m definitely not jealous because there’s nothing between us.”

What lesson are you referring here to that Marinette hasn’t learned since Volpina? Jealousy certainly isn’t an issue anymore. So are you referring to her not being fond of liars? As if that’s somehow a lesson that she should learn? What lesson has she not learned since Volpina? She tried to apologize to Lila for yelling at her, but Lila refused to forgive her. Marinette is constantly apologizing for things that aren’t even her fault and taking the blame for things and learning lessons for other people. ALWAYS.

And she is the furthest thing from perfect. She gets hot-headed, she lashes out, she says things on impulse, time and time again she makes mistakes and then tries to fix them. God forbid someone else have to learn a lesson for once. Because, yes, Lila should learn to stop lying. She should have to tell the truth because her lies have reached an unhealthy level. She has literally locked herself in her house for months, lying to her mother about the school being closed, lying to her classmates and saying that she’s traveling, and for what? Canon never expresses a logical reason other than “she hates Ladybug.”

So does that make Marinette a “Mary Sue” just because she’s good at some stuff? And by some stuff I mean, video games and sewing? Because that’s kind of the only things that she’s been canonically shown to be good at? Oh no, god forbid that a character have hobbies. Honestly, if you’re going to criticize Marinette for being good a two whole things, maybe we should take some shots at Adrien for being good at l i t e r a l l y everything. Fencing, Chinese, basketball, lacrosse, piano, physics, poetry, being an oblivious fucking idiot. (I say that with love, Adrien) I guess I’m just a little confused as to what classifies Marinette as a “Mary Sue.”

I also find it bold of you to point out that “everything gets fixed magically” when that is literally the e n t i r e f u c k i n g p r e m i s e of this show. You know how much shit gets glossed over in this show for the sake of time? The post you are “constructively critiquing” was literally a thought that I had this morning that I decided to type up and post. It isn’t 100% fleshed out. It lacks a lot of details that would get added in later if I decided to write it, which since you like it so much, I might just fucking write it. It wasn’t meant to be some holy grail of writing meant to solve all of the world’s problems, it was literally just a casual idea that came to me. God forbid I post my fanfic ideas on my fanfic blog.

Just a bit of life advice, but generally speaking, unless someone asks you for criticism then keep it to yourself. If someone is just out here trying to have a good time then let them have a good time. You know how much shit I see on tumblr every day that I disagree with or people’s fics or ideas or concepts that I’m kinda meh about? A fuck ton. But do I go in and say “hey, this idea is bullshit and here’s why?” No! Because sometimes you just have to let people live their life. I never asked for people’s thoughts on my idea, I just said, hey here’s some shit I thought of this morning. Sure, not all of my ideas are good. In fact, I think most of them are garbage which is why I refer to most of them as diarrhea from my brain because that’s what they are, but ya know, sometimes I just want to put those ideas out into the world on my own blog because maybe someone will get a kick out of them. and no one fucking roasts me better than me because I’m a piece of shit and I know it

I have no fucking idea what show you’re watching, but if you’re going to comment on my posts again, I highly recommend you check out the show Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug and Chat Noir. A decent chunk of it is on Netflix, and you can probably find the rest on Youtube. Be sure to keep your eyes open when you watch.

#ml salt #cat replies #don't come into a blog titled marinette defense squad and call her a sue #cause i know a lot of people who will willingly fight you for it #delete later #you interrupted my sims playing #so if you don't mind #i'm gonna go back to that

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