#anyways im tired so jist of it is that discourse sucks so don't do it lmao

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Rabble please don’t explain how the hell C!Techno discourse is similar to Homestuck epilogue discourse

Please the people must know

ahhh well there's probably a TON of people who could explain the discourse better than i could, and considering i avoided most of it for my own mental health you might wanna take what i say with a grain of salt (and that my own perspective and somewhat bad memory may not have everything accurate)

but it was like....preeeeety bad??? like you had people who liked the epilogues and people who HATED them. like i mean, you could say both sides were drastic- you had people who outright defended the actions of the characters (like, uh, jane's stuff, and dirk's stuff, and just general character actions that 'could make sense' if they were 'adults') and then you had the other side, which was more like gathered hatred for what Andrew Hussie (creator of Homestuck, webcomic) and his writers did to some of the characters and their development (jade and davekat...kanaya and rose....terezi and vriska/john...) worsened by actions done by characters in-universe with a LOT of things that were barely properly warned for.

one of the worst things to happen was the june/john discourse.

so, okay, a thing to explain: Andrew went out and planted some toblerones (like, the chocolate) in the real world for fans to find and essentially "grant" the wish of whatever the fan asked for. one fan asked for a headcanon for John Egbert, a trans girl named June, to become canon. Andrew "granted" this wish to be true.

and, uh....the fandom had some opinions about that.

this was after Homestuck had finished, by the way, so take that into context while reading this.

i could remember how horrible it was. i will say, it was bad on "both" sides - meaning, the people on twitter who horrifically bullied those who didn't accept the headcanon about trans girl june, to the point of accusing transphobia and people hating trans women, and to the other end of the wild spectrum of those who argued against the trans headcanons that people put forth (but, like, clearly in a transphobic way). in any case, it was not good. horrible. bad.

obviously, it was not the entire fandom doing this. it was just those "bad apples" you'll find in any fandom, yknow? but it was straight-up awful. people could NOT be in the middle ground- you were either found transphobic for not accepting the june headcanon, or a hardcore "june truther" for being okay with the headcanon. i remember seeing asks in the tags just about the discourse, being terrified to even mention john/june because i thought i'd get barricaded with asks or being "called out" in the discourse.

and in my own personal experience, if you look in my blog, you'll find the ask i did get from someone who claimed i was transphobic for "liking john better". at that point in my blog, i was drawing JohnKat, a ship that involved John.

you wanna know something ironic about that ask, claiming i was being transphobic?

i'm a trans male. i'm literally trans. i got told i was transphobic because i chose to headcanon john as a male instead of a female, even though it was my own right to headcanon john/june as i chose. as much as anyone else had the right to chose to headcanon june as a trans girl, i had to headcanon john as a guy.

so, yeah, it wasn't too good.

if there's anything i'd improve on from back then? to just say to believe in what you wanted to believe and not bully other people into believing what was "canon" just because it was canon. i don't like participating in a lotta discourse that happens because it either eventually blows over or it was simply a lotta arguing about nothing. if you argue with someone who CLEARLY sees the story differently, you're not really gonna win the "battle", y'know? there's no point in wasting your own time trying to convince someone that canon is "one way or another". it's up to interpretation, and if someone's interpretation is wildly different than yours, then that's just what it is.

#answered #ask #homestuck #epilogues #dream smp #discourse #june/john taggers sorry!!! #this is explaining homestuck discourse so you might wanna skip this post #the last part is my personal experience w/ the june john stuff #it was honestly TERRIFYING. to be a trans male and being told i couldn't headcanon male john?? #to be told i was transphobic?? even though every headcanon of john was valid? it was just emotionally scary #and like no one should HAVE to say they're trans to headcanon a trans character. or even just a characters gender in general #the thing is people were more okay with trans roxy than trans june that it was fucked #there was a LOT of transphobic things said....and it was so bad for the trans women who actually liked june and had it ruined for them #by people who would 'defend' june. it was just SOOO bad #the dsmp discourse seems so mild in comparison bcs there just isn't that 'type' of discourse rlly #i mean theres a lot more focused on than trans characters. so its like just a whisper in the wind yknow??? #anyways im tired so jist of it is that discourse sucks so don't do it lmao