#gotta love depressing chloe price talk

[chaseprice]

I have a question , how exactly is Chloe (LIS) Self destructive aside from drugs and alcohol? I'm genuinely wondering . There's the whole "Rachel saved my life " and that means she was suicidal at one point but as far as we know , didn't act on it and didn't self-harm through cutting herself . With her relationships with people and the way she lashes out, is that it ? ~Genuinely Wondering don't hate me

hey there! you seem to acknowledge a bunch of her self-destructive tendencies in this message already! not sure if that’s with the intent of writing them off (like, ‘if i say i recognize this stuff then i can’t be blamed for not agreeing with the sentiment that she’s self-destructive’) or whether it’s just because like, you are on the same page but just aren’t too sure about it/whether that stuff does make her self-destructive?

i mean, either way, i can talk about it a little bit if you want.

(cw self harm abuse self destruction etc) below

first of all, chloe using alcohol and drugs from the age of around 14/15 all the way up to her being 19 in canon as a coping mechanism is an extremely self-destructive one which shows very little regard for her health (mentally and physically), so ignoring that won’t be helpful in this conversation at all – it’s important.and as you’ve already said, yeah, it’s heavily implied she was at a point in her life where she felt that meeting rachel literally saved her, so lots of people do draw the conclusion she was suicidal, etc. but obvious indication of chloe cutting herself for example, isn’t needed to draw the conclusion that she’s self-destructive. she’s a depressed, abused, alone young girl – it’s likely already. the “I WANT TO DIE” letter in her and rachel’s hideout, her implying the thing she values most at the point where max comes back into her life is Rachel – getting rachel back, being willing to steal money for rachel, eventually getting drugged and kidnapped by the guy who she was gonna steal from, and then STILL goes to pursue him to blackmail him for money after that traumatising event, dedicating her life to putting up posters for her and doing nothing else in those 6 months – that’s clearly not healthy behaviour, chloe taking antidepressants already and having a history with trauma, ptsd/insomnia, therapists, counsellors. (plus, what’s to say chloe doesn’t self-harm! how would you know? you thinking scars on the arms of her character model? as if dontnod would put those in. self-harm isn’t only cutting wrists, though, just so you know.)it’s just… a given, really. textbook shit. but if you want me to go more into detail about her self destructive behaviour ingame that ISN’T alcohol/drug dependency – it’s mostly the… careless shit. the shit that implies she doesn’t give a shit what the consequences of her actions are. her getting involved with people like frank, dangerous drug dealers, from the age of fifteen. borrowing thousands of dollars from them and STILL going on the offensive despite knowing the risk – reaching to grab frank’s arm in episode two, for example. episode three: during her breakdown. just totally… sabotaging herself and her relationships. regretting it afterwards of course! messaging max and apologising but in the heat of the moment just, shouting and crying and getting mad upset without considering max’s feelings about it, just letting her rage consume her completely about the rachel shit – pulling out and reversing into moving traffic, driving fast while upset – doing the CLASSIC “bring up all the fucked up trauma during this one argument that isnt really to do with my trauma but fuck i’m messed up right now and it’s all because i’m messed up as a person and i’m messed up as a person because of THIS event etc.” manoeuvre. then……… still completely forgiving rachel the next day and still having rachel as her goal and shit even tho she was hurt immensely by her. endangering herself in front of frank/nathan the next day, bc she values max’s and rachel’s lives over her own. how about after they discover the body, and she tears off with the idea of running straight into the vortex club party and straight up murdering nathan? when max tells her she’ll get hurt – she says she doesn’t care, setting this right and killing nathan/jefferson (depending on convo) is the most important thing. in fact, the only thing that’ll get chloe to reconsider in that conversation, is if max says that she (herself) will get hurt. chloe only cares about max. not herself.plus, deck nine are doing a really good job of portraying that sort of mundane slow self destruction that chloe went through when she’s… basically still a kid. smoking & drinking & who she’s involved with, cutting class and saying she just doesn’t give a shit anymore, doesn’t feel anything for it, she used to but she’s run out of fucks and people just avoid her and she’s alright with that – that’s not fucking healthy for anyone, but she lets it happen, because she’s alone and depressed and sad (talkin about sad stuff: her messaging max at 2am just with the word ‘max’ continues to… kill me). her journal entries are great insight into how little she cares about her life at that point, right at such a sad point because, she’s… aware of it. can see herself slipping, but just lets it happen. i recommend reading ‘em. plus, people’ll probs disagree with me about this, because people tend to do that whenever i talk about gay stuff, but chloe fucking a guy right after her dad died because she was “lonely, [she guesses]” and being bored was definitely self-destructive. that poor baby lesbian. and when it comes to david abuse, she definitely… god, i definitely feel like she internalizes a lot of the stuff david says to her about being useless and a burden on her mother and shit, especially considering chloe’s ep 5 speech about herself being not worth it, herself being so selfish, her mother deserving better etcetera. i guess it could also be argued that her “provoking” david could be self destructive in a way since he’s physically abusive towards her and she knows it and shies away from him in ep 3 when he raises his hand etc but from what we’re shown in canon i think those times are more just her… standing up for max/her mother/herself. so yeah. chloe needs help and love and support. she clearly does not value her own life very much. anyway! it’s 5am and i’m tired. there are certainly more examples of her self destructive behaviour that i’ve probably forgotten to mention (people feel free to reblog and add on, or reply), but you were nearly spot on with your ask. just framed it in a… doubtful way, for some reason

#gotta love depressing chloe price talk #Anonymous

[honeyons]

my thoughts on Life is Strange: Before the Storm (review-ish)

DISCLAIMER: I will NOT talk about shipping or anything about that! I really don’t care about shipping in Life is Strange and I KNOW people here have strong opinions! you can ship what you want! I don’t care and I won’t talk about that now. as for me: I have played Life is Strange and Life is Strange: Before the Storm and I played EVERY route because I wanted to see the outcome.

PLEASE don’t make this post into some shipping war shit. look at this as some sort of a review (it’s not really but you get my point).

okay, forgive me for the mess but I try to structure this post.

Location: Like always in every LiS game I got struck with the beautiful scenery and music. It just feels like pure peace just sitting there and enjoy the moment. Even tho many NPC’s talk about how shitty Arcadia Bay is, the aestetic and scenery makes you want to live there. also new places were introduced like the park or the mill.

Story: The Story itself was... okay. I know it’s harder to come up with a good and emotional story without the impact of superpowers (like the butterfly effect in LiS 1). the whole plot with Sera felt a bit weird to me actually. was not really my cup of tea. Also what bugged me and threw more questions: why would Rachel be okay with cheating on Chloe (if they were lovers) with Frank but she’s mad at her dad for cheating? sounds a bit fishy and I think that’s more about the inconsistensies that came up. while I love and adore what Deck Nine did, a little bit more detail research to that wouldn’t have hurt (I’M NOT accusing them of not doing enough research but it just seems like it)

also didn’t like that they introduced a bad guy (Damon Merrick) and killed him off immidiatly. I get that there need to be a concistensy to LiS 1... but there are other options to handle this. He was THAT baddie mcbad, a very powerful criminal and he was killed off camera. that’s a bit lazy.

All in all it was a bit weird that the whole plot was stuffed in only 3 episodes which made everything feel rushed.

Music: I actually liked the music more than in LiS 1. It got me into Daughter a lot and I enjoy her music very much.

Characters:

Chloe - I  have to say, I liked Chloe much much more in BtS than in LiS. She grew a lot to me. We explore her trauma from losing her dad and it is really really emotional. Also I liked the aspect that her journal are letters to Max. we also explore how she felt about Max, many mixed feelings in being angry and missing her. a nice detail is how her clothing style is kinda changing from skater style to punk rock, so we still get to have both clothing styles until we have full punk rock Chloe in LiS 1. My favorite scene (and one of the most emotional ones imo) is the junkyard smash scene. her emotional outburst and wanting to destroy stuff really hit hard. (a bit off topic but imo I agree to the fan theory even more that Chloe suffers from BPD and depression. )

Rachel - so I gotta say, this game is not really for people who liked the mystery around Rachel in LiS 1. I always liked Rachel and especially in LiS 1 that there is this mysterious person you only hear rumors about and see some pictures. My problem is that Deck Nine tried to make Rachel live up to these rumors a bit too much, there was a bit potential lost. because all in all, these are rumors, they can be wrong, they can be exaggurated. I really liked how Rachel encouraged Chloe to be part of the play. And I can imagine she did a lot of things like that. Showing Chloe things out of her (Chloe’s) comfort zone that are good and enjoyable, that things like the play are actually fun and don’t suck. I enjoyed Rachel a lot she is a fun character and even shows that a “perfect” person has their own struggles. And no. I don’t think she has element powers. the wind was more to underline her pain, the fire was more symbolic for her anger. for example the candles at the tables, the flames grew and we see Rachel being quiet yet tense. the flames were symbolic for her anger that boiled up.

relationship between Rachel and Chloe - like I mentioned in the “Story” section, it all felt very rushed (no matter if you choose friendship or love). But still it was shown how much they care for each other. Even tho I’d love to see more happen what we saw in the ending sequences. Because those little shorts were more to what we knew about Rachel in LiS 1 and I wanted to explore more of this. What bugged me a bit was that we as Chloe weren’t really doubting anything even a bit. yes the junkyard scene was the only time Chloe called her out and they got into a fight. what I rather wished for is for example something like this:

the scene were Rachel drugged Victorias tea.

C: Rachel! I.. I know that you want to be in the play..and you deserve it, really! but that was insane... you could get in seriuos trouble... have you forgotten what happened this morning?

R: I thought Chloe Price doesn’t care about getting in trouble?

C: I don’t. I get in trouble all the time but I care about YOU. I don’t want you to get in more shit.

R: I... I’m sorry. you are right, that was a bit extreme. I promise not to do such thing anymore.

(JUST AN EXAMPLE. I DON’T KNOW IF I GOT WAY OUT OF CHARACTER BUT YOU GET MY POINT)

All in all I enjoyed their relationship and the deep care for each other it’s more hurtful because we as player know what’s going to happen and the very last sequence in the dark room is very very heavy. BUT I get why a lot of people thought of Rachel to be manipulative. I myself had my doubts too sometimes (even tho I love Rachel). I think Deck Nine did a bit of a messy writing in her character (like I said above with living up to her rumors) mixed with Chloe being totally okay with EVERYTHING Rachel does paints that kind of a picture. maybe I could be wrong too since there is the whole Frank stuff still open and we never got an explaination why Rachel hooked up with him. I didn’t really get the feeling in LiS1 that she’s manipulative..more.. desperate I guess? so that’s a bit messy on that part.

Nathan - I liked him better in BtS than LiS1. The scene where his father is mad at him before the play was heavy (for everyone who know how bad abusive parents are, this hits hard) and we actually see Nathans concernes and being afraid. I really enjoyed him in the tempest play (when you encourage Samantha to talk to him). it shows a different side of him. also he wasn’t constantly flexing with his familys power. so yeah, I liked him better in BtS.

Eliot - oof. I get what point Deck Nine wanted to come across but they pushed that too much from the start. If they wanted the scene in the Ambers office more of a shock value they should’ve written him better. yes he is definitely a creepo but there was potential wasted to make a good shock moment in the end. For example, they could make postitve interactions between Chloe and him so we don’t suspect him imidiatly as creeper. because every interaction (even the “nice” ones) were hostile. what I’m trying to say is that Deck Nine had a good chance to build up a good shock moment for the player but it was ruined from the start.

okay I don’t want to get in each and every character.

Bonus Episode Farewell: tears. just tears. the only thing I have to say is... from a logical standpoint I don’t get why Max HAD TO leave on the exact day of the funeral. I mean... yeah she had to go anyway but her family could’ve delayed that for a few days to be there for the Price family. HOWEVER from a stroy telling point this gets you more tears in your eyes (to leave on the funeral) and goddammit this made me cry every time.

all in all I really really love BtS and it was so nice to visit Arcadia Bay again, seeing familiar and new faces. I love it even with it’s flaws.

#life is strange #life is strange before the storm #lis #lis bts #chloe price #rachel amber #nathan prescott #opinions #personal optinions

[etinarcadiabayego]

For the fanfic writer ask : 9) Favorite scene in The Listening + 34) and how did you handle it? I'm so bad at handling criticism T^T (or if it's too personal 35 instead) + 48) !

#9) My favorite scene to write so far in The Listening

It has been the part in Chapter 22: ...And Flow when Nathan and Max are at the beachfront after a long day apart. Them hugging each other and letting their emotions out, even if Max doesn’t explain what’s going on with her (which she will at some point because Max is the kind of person to let it fester and boil, unlike Nathan) and her saying it’s okay to let it all out sometimes (at least healthily with a good cry and not his fist to someone’s face), and that it doesn’t make him weak or stupid or otherwise. I don’t think Nathan’s had that in his life since his sister or partially Victoria, and even then, y’know? Max herself hasn’t really had it since her time with the Prices because (mainly headcanon for me) Max’s parents seem like they spend time with her, especially her dad, but at the same time they haven’t really helped her develop past her introversion and anxiety and aren’t there for her emotionally. I mean, in the funeral scene for William in Before the Storm, they seem...absent.

Max is in the middle of the Rachel and Chloe fiasco, bouncing between the two and keeping their secrets and hating her position, isolating herself further from others for fear of them hating her or her disappointing them, except for Nathan, who she’s used to not liking her that much anyway. Still, they’re in the mess they are together, and she’s finding herself wanting to spend more time with him because in a way they’re alike and she find him intriguing despite the way he’s been thus far. She just won’t fully admit it lol.

While Nathan is struggling with losing his psychiatrist, his father’s neglect and suppression of care towards him and the guilt/anger he feels for being emotionally abused as a result, wanting to talk to his sister but fearing her rejection, leading to more isolation from him as well, and his addictions. And then there’s his rather unwanted, growing concern family’s secrets/involvement in the bay’s slow demise, all of which he can only speak about with Max, something he’s happy about, but also confused because she’s someone he thinks won’t accept him in any way, especially after the way he’s behaved. He has trouble thinking there’s no other way to be because of who he is and how he was brought up.

It’s the scene where I really wanted their relationship to start blossoming and have a major shift, that they can be open with one another and start building some kind of trust. I was so nervous to write it and publish it because it’s based on a real meltdown of mine I had, and I wasn’t proud of... Despite it all, my fiancee was there for me, and I have been trying to improve myself over time and remember it’s okay to not be okay, but it’s not okay to stay in that place and bring everyone else down with you.

#34)  What’s the harshest criticism you’ve gotten? 

I haven’t gotten too much harsh criticism on The Listening thus far. It’s mainly been constructive and helpful, or just wonderful positive comments! ^_^ Mainly my criticism came from my creative writing classes in high school and college and my OOOOOLD fanfics that no longer exist lol. I was criticized for writing people too exaggerated (like anime, which I admit I watch and draw a lot of lmao) or that I write characters too ‘out of character’ with fanfiction. Nowadays I get told I re-explain too much or I put too much unimportant details that I could nix. I’m ‘too wordy’ lol. I totally see that and still struggle to improve and not go off tangent.

I’ve grown up with criticism with striving to be an artist/writer, so I’m used to it, but at the same time I hide how I feel. I do get depressed and want to give up and think ‘what’s the point’ because I feel like I can’t overcome it or I’ll fall right back into the cycle of repeating the same mistakes. I fear I won’t learn from them. It, admittedly, takes me a long time to recover. But, again, it’s okay to not be okay, but not okay to stay like that lol. Gotta keep moving. There’s bound to someone who will like the work you make and who will support you.

#35) (I’ll answer this one too, why not? lol) Do you share your story ideas with anyone else or do you keep them close to your chest? 

To be honest, not really. I don’t have many friends around to share with, and my fiancee can only take so much obsession in my brain lol. I would like to share, but I don’t like to overwhelm or bother others with talking or I don’t like to spoil too much or tell plot points and ruin it for them XD It’s a bit lonely.

#48) What’s your favourite trope to write?

Just...romance. Friends to lovers, enemies to lovers, just lovers, or best friends, etc. I’m a sucker for it all. Hit me with feels - affectionate actions, and kisses, and nsfw (even though I can’t write it for shit) and just...all of it.

To be more specific, I do love me some ‘one bed’ shenanigans, the fake date turns into a real date or fake love becomes real love. The film The Proposal with Ryan Reynolds and Sandra Bullock is to blame for this heavily lmao. 

Next to romance, I really enjoy horror. Interesting combo, I know. XD What can I say, I grew up reading a lot of Stephen King, fanfiction, and shoujo manga. *cough* Nothing’s really changed at almost 29 years old lmao.

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[chaseprice]

this kind of depends on whether u as a person believe there are things that you can get over/accept/move on from etc but like: chloe price. the girl hasn’t gotten over anything.

we meet her at a point in her life where a bunch of other shit is going on including dealing with literal superpowers/(super)natural disasters ((but also like, things like having feelings for ur childhood best friend, trying to find ur missing best friend, trying to work out what the fuck’s going on with the drugging and corruption in the local school lol, etc)) so. there are so many focuses. although a massive chunk of the story is largely centered around chloe, and max’s relationship with chloe, and the lengths max would go to for chloe-- chloe doesn’t have a massive character arc? she doesn’t? like, people wanna say things like, oh yeah she was Selfish at the start and then was willing to sacrifice herself for the sake of the town-- girl, she wants to die either way. she’s depressed and suicidal. her saying that she’s okay with max letting her die at the end isn’t some massive Character Development. maybe dontnod wanted it to be? but they suck so much that honestly their whole vision of what they wanted to portray is just messy garbage, unfortunately, so i can’t tell if they did or not. but anyways point is: they failed. regardless. they didn’t portray the message that chloe, as a character, had been fully developed and could be put to the side like ‘yes, this is a Complete character right here, we done good lads, we told her story’. they just Dint!!!! 

yes, chloe is one of the more developed and more consistent characters in the game, i do think they did a good job with a lot of her writing (except her fate, and how they didn’t want to give her a happy ending). but! g o d! one of the reasons why she’s so good is because she’s so rich and multidimensional? they give her this backstory (i don’t care if ppl say it’s clichéd like i just don’t care, i already give dontnod a ton of shit but i won’t give them shit for chloe’s backstory being tropey, her teen/childhood pain is too relatable for me to bash) that’s Painful and Show us this girl with so many issues and problems and... she’s just so wonderful and, playing as max, you’re meant to grow to just Care for her so much and you can SEE how much max cares for her so you. want to see her happy? you want her to be okay, and for issues to be resolved, and so on. but............. y’know... when you reach the ending..... they’re so. ignored. they’re just brushed to the side? and i really doubt dontnod have the capacity for it to just be symbolic of the message “sometimes you just have to push issues to the side and deal with One Big Important thing for the Greater Good”. they’re just....... well, they’re careless. they’re lazy too but like in this situation they literally ran out of money (like, literally) and couldn’t make ep 5 as long/developed as they wanted to. soooo.... all chloe’s shit got pushed to the side. and the only Chloe thing that matters at the end is her willingness to sacrifice herself for the town. which is sad. and just implies that in the sac bay ending, she would have a lot of personal issues to sort through in ADDITION to the fucking issues that arise from letting your girlfriend watch as a tornado destroys the town. ‘for you’. shit’s fucked up dude.

but ALSO. this Also implies. like, in the sort of happy everything’s fine AU that we all like to believe in where ep 5 just didn’t happen-- chloe’d still have a lot of shit to deal with? and i’m not just talking about her mental illness bc i talk about that all the time; i was actually thinking about william in particular before making this post. chloe is Fucked Up about william. and it’s been. 5 years. it’s her dad, of course she’d be fucked up for years, but like. it’s still affecting her A Lot. her breakdown in ep 3 was triggered by rachel cheating shit, fueled by her thinking everyone betrays her, and we’re meant to believe the Root of it is because of william (i know it might’ve seemed like it was just for plot purposes, and i guess it kinda was, but i’ll be nice and lenient for dontnod for once and believe ‘em). aaaand. then of course there’s the arbitrary episode 4 bullshit that’s completely unnecessary and mildly ableist and just for Shock Factor and so on- which. completely uses up a part of the game that could’ve been used for talking through her william stuff or. Anything. something. i don’t know. thing is, we come back from that universe and are thinking like, alright, william’s GOTTA be dead so we’ve accepted that but. chloe hasn’t? the only sort of indication that chloe has even thought about it since is her text that’s her apologizing for freaking out, and still, like. that does NOT imply she’s worked through it in any way, she’s just. calmed down. not breaking down anymore.

also back to main canon and not inc. happy au: we’re meant to get some kind of resolution/acceptance when we find rachel dead, like that’s just another one of chloe’s issues (and the story’s plot points) ‘completed’. chloe doesn’t even get the time to GRIEVE before she’s murdered herself. she’s resurrected in the next episode, then she briefly talks about rachel getting revenge, and max making things right for rachel or w/e, but it’s not enoughhhhhhh. it’s just not enoughhh. we play the whole game with this secondhand desire/mission/motivation to find rachel (for chloe!!!!) and then... nothin! nada! like 1/3 of chloe’s character is rachel-related and we don’t even get to see her Properly react or talk about it except for crying and then wanting to kill who did it (which... wow, yes. that was kinda powerful and telling for characterization, i’ll admit, but STILL probably the rushed-ness of it was unintentional on dontnod’s part and not actually to do with chloe’s quick harsh emotions and reactions. an accidental good thing). there was such a build up to... nothing. and i don’t think it was deliberate

and. she hasn’t gotten over max leaving her either :_) she.... she hasn’t. dont get me wrong i LOVE how she puts it to the side really quickly and forgives her Just Like That and still fucking falls in love with her (bc it’s so THEM, it’s so pricefield) but ... that’s. largely because chloe desperately needs max at this point in her life. and like literally every single fear of abandonment/betrayal chloe harbors has been influenced by max leaving like THE GIRL JUST AINT OVER IT even in the future their relationship is still gonna be a tiny tiny bit insecure for chloe bc she’s worried she’ll be left again or Not Good Enough or anything (like, duh she’ll figure out that max isn’t gonna leave again, and she really does love her, but still. those annoying feelings are real and STILL THERE). that’s Fucked her up good! she’s just a fucked up girl! whom i love.

chloe has soooo many !!!!!! Personal Issues that just aren’t fully explored in lis.... and it’s disappointing but .... not the worst, i guess, because she is the best character in the game and the rest of the stuff To Do With Her can maybe make up for it. and yeah, it would take years to work through some of this stuff so i know it’s impractical to expect it to all be ‘’solved’’ in the game or whatever but like.... some further acknowledgement of underlying issues and insecurities remaining after a while..... would be nice. lmao this post wasn’t even meant to be critical of lis/dontnod at first it was literally me just trying to say “chloe hasn’t gotten over shit” lol. like, she’s just Coped Unhealthily for years and years. ignored things, resorted to Bad Shit, gotten in nasty messes, and didn’t give a shit about it bc she didn’t give a shit about herself.lbr this fucked up Lass is more fucked up than she lets on

#donnnnttttt fuckin read this