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pepperpixel · 9 months
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*Twitching facedown on the floor, frothing and foaming at the mouth.*: Ghghghghgh…. Autoheart…. Songs…. So fitting…. For Simon, Betty, Magic Man…. Their sad sad polycule (A/N: their polycule I made up in my mind)….. oh my god. oh my god……
#fOOLISHLY WRONG! Simon singing to betty…. but not rlly… in his head. like. what Simon would think about everything Betty’s done…. gRGG#foolishly wrong is a song btw.#‘lent’ is also bad end petrigrof… like Betty lives but they break up…#I have several diff versions of these guys in my head… 1 where everything is honky dory wish fulfillment#1 where betty lives but like…. petrigrof truly becomes toxic…#have thoughts for betty and magic man… pre betty becoming golb..#have thoughts for magic man and Simon… post bettys sacrifice….#I have autoheart songs for that specific scenario too!#’factories’ and ‘Santa fe’. factories is Simon singing and Santa Fe is magic man.#sorry. I reveal I think these 3 should be horrifically and tragically entangled w one another.. romantically. platonically. ANYTHING#finding solace and understanding in one another…#I proceeded to be pelted w tomatoes and booed out of the adventure time fandom#I am probably just delusional I can admit this… I still… am obsessed. sorry lol#pepper words#like I think of these 3 together and I am instantly gnawing on the bars of my enclosure gHg-#lent I actually think is kinda good for all of them….#god ok NOW I’m gonna go do real life shit… like eat lunch… and research scanners….#*proceed. not proceeded. sorry… typings hard#Simon x magic man is COMPLETELY FABRICATED IN MY HEAD. I can admit that.. like those 2 I am just delusional#I just think! it’d be neat if they started hanging out after Betty brings back simon….#I also do rlly like wish fulfillment happy times w these 3… right now I’m listing to autoheart songs tho..#so uh… yeah. currently thinking about my fucked up sad ideas for them ghgh-#*listening#I also have thoughts about Betty actually getting proper therapy and help and support and giving up on her quest to save simon#or at least. maybe not giving up completely but… not being so tunnel vision obsessed w it…#and her and magic man being platonic life partners…#ok… anyway. bye. now I’m gonna go eat lunch. now that I’ve divulged w u all my stupid fucking adventure time thoughts ghghg-#actually kind of embarrassed talking about Betty x Simon x magic man but gGHGH-#I’m probably gonna draw art for them eventually might as well rip this bandaid off now lol#adventure time
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appleb18 · 5 years
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Why Cartoon Finales Feel So Unsatisfying
With most cartoon shows coming to an end such as Adventure Time, Legend of Korra, and Regular Show but as time moves on, most finales are rushed. Shows making the same mistakes makes the ending not a very good conclusion. So I’ll be talking about the many problems that I have with finales recently. Steven Universe Change Your Mind will be mention because Crewniverse mentioned  Rebecca Sugar planned that it was finale but of course, Cartoon Network wants it to continue so it counts.
LONG POST
1)  Plot Points 
The first of many problems that I keep on seeing in cartoon finales are the unexplained plot points. When a show points that this will have a major impact later to the episode, they show it and see what will happen with the plot point but most don’t and they either leave it unanswered, out of nowhere or used but it wasn’t written properly
Examples of unexplained plots are 
Star vs The Forces of Evil 
When Marco was fighting a Corrupted Tom and Corrupted Milhorse he got stabbed by the unicorn, leaving a dark purple wound on his chest with dramatic music playing 
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But then it didn’t really matter and it “magically” healed somehow 
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Then there’s Star destroying The Realm of Magic which caused magic to be gone. While Omnitraxus, Heckapoo and Rhombulus are destroyed but they never showed what happens to the other realms and creatures that use magic such as the Lucitors and Reynaldo the Bald Pate. 
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Legend of Korra 
When Korra defeat Kuvia and she was about to use the Spirit Beam but it misdirected to her, Korra can somehow bend spirit beam
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How is there another spirit portal? I know the comics explained it but I would like to see it more in detail in the show than the comics
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Gravity Falls 
The Bill Cipher zodiac keeps showing up in the opening of the show 
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Been shown in the show numerous times and know a bit of its purpose as the show goes on
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In the finale, it was about to be shown what it is and does but Stanley and Stanford had to fight each other which cause the zodiac to not work. I do wish what will happen to Bill when he’s in it and see its effects before they fight
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Voltron
Why Allura have to die in the finale, was there another way for her to survive than just dying? 
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How the hell did Lance become Altean? You can’t just transform a human into one, that’s impossible 
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2) Not Enough Time 
Another main problem I’ve been seeing in cartoon shows finale is there isn’t enough time to explore the new things that have been added to the show, character development, and character relationships. Finale just shows it for a minute and then that’s it. 
Examples of this are 
Steven Universe 
In Change Your Mind, when Steven was getting his friends back to reform, aside Smoky Quartz, we get to see Pearl and Steven fusion, Rainbow Quartz 2.0
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 Garnet and Steven, Sunstone 
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however the main problem with this they appear only once and then that’s it. Although they’ll hopefully make an appearance in season 6 but the lack of Opal and Sugilite, I doubt they’ll be shown again. 
Gravity Falls 
When Stanford and Mcgucket reunited in Weirdmeggedon: “Take Back the Falls”,  it was really a quick reunion and they become friends again. I do wish the team give their reunion more screen than just a minute since they’re best friends for a very long time like Spider-Man and Iron Man in Endgame 
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Then there’s when Stanley sacrifice his mind to defeat Bill Cipher, it was truly emotional to have him take responsibility for almost releasing him to the world.
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Of course, he’ll recover from his memories but he got it back too quickly, it should’ve taken longer regained his memories. It just downgrades his sacrifice.
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Samurai Jack 
Samurai Jack friends came in a minute 
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Jack tells Ashi that he loves him. It should’ve taken her a bit longer to break free from Aku control than just that 
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Also, there was never a moment of him interacting with his friends beside the Scottsman. He didn’t get to say goodbye nor tell his thanks to them for rescuing him before he goes back to the past! 
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Then there’s Ashi fading away because, without him, she disappears which should’ve done when he destroys Aku, not during their wedding 
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Voltron 
As Allura dies and saying goodbye to her friends however she never gets to say goodbye Coran, her main man, and her father-figure like why? 
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3) The Lack of Main Characters 
It is always important to have the main cast of characters have their last adventure and end the huge conflict of the story but with today’s finale, the main cast doesn’t get to shine, in fact, they don't do anything at all.
An example of this 
The Amazing World of Gumball 
The Gumball family doesn’t get to appear for the finale, it’s mostly Gumball, Darwin and the school. 
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Adventure Time 
Finn and Jake, the main characters and they are in the title of the show Adventure Time with Finn and Jake however they were more in the sidelines in the finale. The first half is Finn reconcile with Fern 
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Jake having weird dreams 
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Then in the second half things get stressful when Finn and Jake haven’t much of a roll to the last episode. Finn goes inside of Golb to save Betty and Ice King/Simon but they get stuck
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And Jake gets defeated easily by the monsters. The characters that did the most are Marceline for able to stun the monster for a bit 
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Princess Bubblegum finding that their weakness is harmony and she was able to find out because of BMO 
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And Betty defeating Glob by using the crown and wishing to protect Simon that caused her to become Golb herself 
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It’s disappointing that neither Finn nor Jake, the stars of the show for 9 years, couldn’t do anything in the finale, a similar complaint I have with Adventure Time Mini-Series Stakes but worst
Steven Universe 
Now it’s time to talk about other characters that came to help the Crystal Gems but they really didn’t help at all and it’s Bismuth, Lapis Lazuli and Peridot. They finally arrive to help Crystal Gems to get to White Diamond with Lapis and Peridot new outfits and Bismuth giving Connie a new sword. 
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Yet they were nothing more than accessory, just there to show that they are in finale, only serving as fan-service 
Then just when they finally showed up to help Steven, it was already over so they don’t have any value in the finale. 
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4) Final Villain 
Recently, the last antagonist/final villain has many issues that I’ll be breaking into two parts. 
A. No Build Up 
It’s always important to have the final villain to appear in multiple and show how threatening they are but as I’ve seen, they appear only a few times with little interactions and not a lot of depth of their depth. 
Golb from Adventure Time first appeared in “Puhoy” at the end of the episode and was mentioned a few times in the last two seasons and he randomly appears as the final villain with no proper introduction and he doesn’t have any history with the main characters 
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White Diamond from Steven Universe appears in the background from season 1 - 4
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Her only appearances are in two episodes, “Legs From Here to Homeworld” and “Change Your Mind”. At first, she was overjoyed that Pink Diamond is alive inside of Steven 
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Then she becomes a dictator? How we get from this to there? Do we miss something? 
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B. The Final Battle 
The endgame, the final conversation between two opposing sides and they’ll settle their score once and for all. Unfortunately, their final moments aren’t satisfying and it very anti-climatic of how they were defeated. 
Aku and Samurai Jack never fought each other in the finale. It’s mostly Jack slashing him 
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Steven talking to White Diamond like how always does it
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Mina Loveberry gets defeated by a Corrupted Milhorse and we don’t see until the end 
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The final villain should’ve gotten a great final showdown with the main protagonist but it was sadly rushed 
5) Leaving it in a Cliffhanger/Open-Ended 
The most problematic I have with finales is they leave it in a cliffhanger/open-ended. It doesn’t feel like a satisfying end to the show, more than an episode and or another season
The Amazing World of Gumball ended with Rob going into the void and that’s it. 
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and Star vs The Forces of Evil ending with the Earth and Mewni cleaved together and Star and Marco look at each other than the credit rolls.
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The series finale should NEVER end with a cliffhanger nor open-ended, it just leaves an poor conclusion to the series, leaving too many questions unanswered! 
Conclusion
Modern cartoon finales aren’t easy. It requires a lot of planning, work and thought to conclude a series and not many got it right. The only finales that did a good job and made me feel satisfied are 
Regular Show 
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Over the Garden Wall
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And the only show left that’s coming to end and I hope it doesn’t make the same mistakes is My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic 
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Overall I don’t hate nor I say good finales expect for Samurai Jack, The Amazing World of Gumball, and Voltron, their pretty average endings that could've done better.
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ki233117 · 6 years
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Some thoughts and questions about Adventure Time finale
This is going to be super duper long... with tons of words and pictures... so be prepared.
The first thing I have to point out is definitely that amazing background work and details, either in BMO’s place or the dream. The things in the background literally brought up so many memories from each episodes.
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Starting from left there are seemingly James Baxter’s beach balls, Ice King’s drum and the famous broken clock. Near the window stands a tiny statue of King of Ooo (not BMO, the wax guy) and a picture of an old Banana Man. Somewhere beneath the window are something look like Lemongrab’s sword, LSP’s star(? and BMO’s skateboard. Next to the door hangs Grob Gob Glob Grod’s helmet as a deco. On the shelf I spot Jake’s favorite mug sticked back in one piece. I don’t know what is up with all the PB-crown but it cracks me up when first seeing BMO’s unfitted crown, it is so cute.
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Another view of the pile of mass. Again James Baxter’s beach balls and Ice King’s drum. Other then those are Marceline’s sunscreen and a few stakes lying on the ground. Not quite sure of this but it seems like I’ve seen the hat somewhere way long ago... back to season 1...
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Other things such as the rings, the orange stuff in the middle and that box filled with books/magazines with a face that looks like Jake with long hair just don’t remind me of anything... Leave a comment, tell me what those are if you recognize them.
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PB’s clock, the one that pops cat out. (It was just so super cute.) Another clock that Finn and Jake own. I’m not sure what the treasure box at the left is nor the license plate... but I just can’t stoping thinking the plate was trying to say something like “sexy lump.”
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Mystery solved, the license plate is from the episode “Trouble in Lumpy Space.” Thanks to @zelderonmorningstar for making this post more complete!
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Shermy’s wearing Marceline’s shirt and Simon’s glasses. There is a bowl of knives which I believe was collected during the Knife Storm. I believe that “happy birthday” banner was from BMO’s birthday. (Not sure about this.) The little stars at the bottom right corner remind me of the “free magic” episode.
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Yet, I couldn’t strike up any memories about the spiky cone-like thing, the pen (next to Shermy), the pictures, and the necklace (both in the back).
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So the cone-like thing was actually the Maid! The Maid which first (and probably only...) appeared in the episode “Crossover.” Thanks to @amotleycrew for making this post more complete!
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AMO’s body (seriously, BMO, I just can’t believe that you found it...) and seemingly BMO’s heart on the chair. I really don’t know whose arm those are and how the cube on the right got there...
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Now let’s get to the dream part. First thing was this weird-looking building. I like to think of it as Candy Kingdom, based on... the location, the river, the shape and everything about it just reminds me of Candy Kingdom.
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My favorite part of this scene was that book on the floor. A Finn cake doing “spot the difference” with apparently Finn’s face and Fern’s face on each page.
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I don’t know why PB touched her cheeks when hearing the word “kiss” sung by cosmic owl, but it was cute anyway. (Maybe reminded her of someone?)
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The fun part comes. That “world’s worst uncle” mug in the wall was just on-point. I’m not sure why there’s an old/dying dog-looking character in the chimney. Not sure if that stands for Jake being a brick... The scribbles on the bottom right says “I’m happier this way Chicle” was quite self-explainable. Not sure what the skull with a clover and hat was. Little do I know about the semi-clock on the left was...
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This scene was also very cute. That BRB mote next to the door while Jake was saying “be right back” seems just kind of ironic now. I couldn’t tell what was written on the board, not even sure if that was English... It looks like “navght cere” to me...
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Not sure why there are so many license plates in this episode, but there they are again. One “AL2-1C3” and another  one written “Arizona A12-3B2.” Someone please tell me what these are...
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This scene reminded me of “Magic Man’s”  old house and Lemon Sweet’s home. That “goodbye” footman was just so funny.
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I spy with my little eye someone doing the “primitive dance moves.”
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Was this referring the “King of Ooo” taking control of the Candy Kingdom...? Where everything melts like wax. (Was seen in the episode Hoots.)
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Fern and Finn decided to turn into two bears and have a fight...
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Feel like seeing bear Finn somewhere before. To be honest, when I first saw Fern, he reminded me of this bear who was imitating Finn. Now it just makes me feel like there’s something fishy between them...
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I believe this is where uncle Gumbald cut off all the plum trees in a single night took place. I love this scene mostly because of that lemon-shape container.
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Both Finn and Fern’s fear. This really makes me wonder how Finn’s dad is doing... Never heard of Martin since “The Comet.”
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One of my favorite moments in the episode. That heart-shape sticker in the back, and that crown-shape drip bag. Is this a sign of Simon eventually leaving Betty? No one knows...
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Was it James Baxter that you were trying to imitate? Jake?
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I’d say. I’d ship them. Lemongrab and LSP are just so hilarious (and cute together). I’d dig their sassiness and craziness.
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I really need to know why and how does Maja have the power to do... literally all this? I don’t know Maja was actually this powerful until... basically this episode... (And how did Betty know about her...?)
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Betty’s self-sacrifice... don’t know why this reminded me of Constantine.
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PB changed her outfit. My guess was that she’s going on a “post war celebration date” with Marcy.
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By the way, this was how short Finn was in season one.
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Is that little King of Ooo behind Gunter...?
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Besides Hunson’s stylish picture, I also love that poster on the fridge written  “Macy free show.”
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I really need to know what Gunter was playing for Bubbline... The one one the right might be Ice King, but the other two characters are just confusing...
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The Hamburger Hills Cemetery where Marcy had her concert.
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Last but not least, two scenes that we've been bombarded during these days. (Don’t get me wrong, I love seeing them. I literally rewatched the kiss scene so many times... and giggle...)
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Does that skull Beth was holding belong to Mr. Fox...?
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