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mermaidsirennikita · 2 years

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Can you rank the Hathaway heroes now too?

For sure!

Kev Merripen. I just really love a self-loathing man, and Kev is among the best. I think he does one of the most controversial things any Kleypas hero has done, tbh, which is refusing to step up and take the blame when someone catches him going to town on Win in like.... basically broad daylight, lol. He just can't bring himself to admit that it was him, because that would mean they'd have to get married and he doesn't feel worthy of her and has basically convinced himself that he's going to kill her WITH HIS MONSTER COCK. Which--another reason to love Kev. Another one who owes a lot to Derek Craven, probably more than Rhys Winterborne does. He doesn't wanna sully her with his filthy, filthy hands! Yet once he finally lets go and allows himself to love Win freely it's like... on on. Y'all know I love a kidnapper.

Leo Hathaway. I'll be real, I think Devil's Daughter is one of Kleypas's weakest books and I kind of don't fully understand the appeal of West Ravenel compared to Leo Hathaway. Like. West is fine. He's appealing. But Leo Hathaway did all of that "I am a dissolute drunk who needs to get in shape and figure my life out" shit backwards and in his heels. Obviously, his backstory is a bit more tragic than West's. And to me, reading the Hathaways books in order is super beneficial because a) they tie into each other a lot in general and b) by the time you get to Married by Morning you've seen Leo go through a true journey. He's pathetic in the first book, and by the time he's realized that he wants Catherine and is chasing her in full, it's... a lot. I also love that he's kind of this joking, snarky gentleman type in public but super dominant in bed? Ugh, so hot.

Harry Rutledge. The thing is that I actually would rank Harry's book below Cam's, but I think Harry is a more intriguing hero. Firstly, because he basically tricks and manipulates Poppy into marrying him. And as much as I love a kidnapper, I love a man who tricks a woman into a forced marriage. It's catnip. And secondly, because he owns a hotel and I think that was a really cool setting and fun in general. Harry is just kind of like... a legit bastard. It's kinda fascinating to me that his and Poppy's book is one of the only Kleypas books I've read where the hero and heroine have legitimately bad sex the first go, and the communication isn't great and it's kinda traumatic for both of them. To me, it makes sense because Harry really has to grow and see Poppy as a person versus this thing he wants. And he does.

Cam Rohan. I love Devil in Winter Cam, and I love Mine Till Midnight Cam... to an extent, but I think he did degrade a bit from Devil in Winter to Mine Till Midnight. He's still great! But I do think he's fetishized preeeeetty strongly, moreso even than Kev is in Seduce Me at Sunrise. That distracted me a bit. But also, in general, I felt like Cam didn't have quite as much.... ACTUAL mystery and danger as what he promised in Devil in Winter, especially with the whole Daisy makeout. He's super great, but I think I love him a bit more in other people's books than I do in his own. He's just like, a cool guy, and I feel like I wanted more than that.

Christopher Phelan. I feel like tons of people love Love in the Afternoon, and it's my least favorite Hathaways book and probably one of my least favorite Kleypas books in general. Maybe I should listen to it sometime and see if that would give me a better experience than what I had when reading it in E? Anyway, I feel like what bugged me about this guy was that he came down on Beatrix pretty hard for what was ultimately like... not a great thing, but ultimately meant to save his heart. I don't know. He just wasn't interesting enough compared to everyone else.

#romance novel blogging

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thegeminisage · 3 years

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what do you think are some of the biggest pieces of evidence for cas being ace? i've watched so much of the show in the past month that it all blurs together, lol, so i can't remember many specific scenes. i do remember "i'm utterly indifferent to sexual orientation" (though that wasn't about his own orientation) and cas' discomfort at idea of sleeping with women at the bordello in 5.03... anything else you can think of? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts!

rubs my hands together okay a List yeah i can do a list

wait actually first i wanna say that the biggest reason is because i’m asexual and i said so 0:) like i know that sounds a joke and it is a little bit but SERIOUSLY it’s just a general Aura or what the fuck ever about people. you know how sometimes a friend group formed in teenage years will one by one realize they’re all queers and they just grouped together organically? ace people are like that too. many of my closest friends have been aspec and i didnt even know that when i met them, THEY didn’t even know. but like if you asked me to list the ten people i was closest to over my life the huge majority would be aspec like me. we find each other In The Wild. so when i say he’s ace because i said so like i’m saying I’m Ace And I Can See Him. He Is Ace Because I Said So. my ace-dar is EXCELLENT

okay anyway with that out of the way here’s your actual list. obviously much of this can be a point in favor of many different readings of cas (and i’m not saying those can’t be true at the same time as ace cas!), but i’m ace and he’s ace and that’s what this post is about so i’m focusing on the ace parts. thank you.

list of ace cas evidence:

in general cas has a lot of trouble connecting with humanity at first which is an ENORMOUS ace mood

when dean cracks in the 4.01 deleted scene “yeah i have that problem with women” (after cas talks about the difficult in finding a vessel that can contain him) cas absolutely does not get that joke. we were having ace cas moments right from the get-go

it’s shown as early as 4.02 that cas doesn’t understand personal space. this is him not getting one single thing about human intimacy works and that he’s overstepping a boundary. it’s not just that he’s an angel (though that’s some of it) he just doesn’t intuitively understand physical stuff like that

that dean/anna kiss in 4.10. LOOK AT HIS FACE. that’s a face that says “i had no idea this is how humans were intimate with each other” and also “do i want to try that?” answer: maybe. dean’s very pretty. but something about it just feels like he’s going “whoa i never even CONSIDERED that” - like that to be sexy with the humans he’s into just didn’t occur to him

i know you said so already but WOW 5.03 brothel scene. THEEE ace cas moment

i’d also like to take a moment to tip my hat to 5.04. almost every aspec will have had a period of frustration and self-loathing where they thought at least once about maybe just having sex they weren’t into as a way to be “fixed” or to prove something. when aspecs are at their lowest and most broken, they are having sex they do not want to have. and when cas is at his lowest and most broken (in 5.04 AND 9.03, thank you), what is he doing? having sex! it’s just Interesting to me that the only times cas fucks is when he’s literally in the absolute worst points in his entire life

also, i’m getting out of order here, but that thing in 9.03 was absolutely rape. the way he talked about it after was THEEE most comphet bullshit i’ve ever seen. “that was nice.” “she was...sooo hot.” dean winchester can’t fool me and neither can cas thee tiel.

i know everyone was uncomfortable with the cherub in 5.14 but cas was SUPER uncomfortable. “no one likes it” yeah that’s cause he’s not a big touchy-feely dude

i actually really hate that porn scene in 6.10, but it is a classic “i don’t get it” moment + a side of “monkey see monkey do” later when he decides to mimic it and kiss meg. she started it - he’s just going “oh yeah i remember watching that on TV - like this, right?” he’s pleased with himself for correctly mastering a form of human interaction, he’s not, like, horny.

didn’t get the erectile dysfunction joke in 6.19

obviously, godstiel’s utter indifference to sexual orientation

strongly implied to be in a chaste marriage with his “wife” daphne when he was an amesniac

being repeatedly lobotomized in season 8 is its own can of worms. they were trying to make him straight. alas, it cannot be done

meg propositions him in season 8 and it takes him a bit to catch on. i don’t think accepting means he’s not ace, just that he’s interested in stuff humans do. would have been nice for his first time not to be with a psycho reaper who got him to trade his virginity for a pb&j :/

cas seemed REALLY nervous at the prospect of the date in 9.06, almost like it was something he had to steel himself to do - yet another weird part of human life he was resigning himself to, especially after metatron told him “go find a wife and have some babies” when his grace was taken

cas in season 10 is UTTERLY oblivious to hannah’s advances, even the ones that include nudity (and his own nudity at one point lol), and when he finally catches on he lets her down in the most awkward way possible

in season 11 he says he’s gonna take dean’s temperature and doesn’t see how that’s weird lol

he never got to truly speak to dean about his weird “””attraction””” to amara but i like to think he would have been equally confused

in season 12 in the hotel room where an orgy had clearly just taken place dean snickers and picks up the panties but cas is totally oblivious

ALSO completely oblivious when the waitress hits on him in season 12

this is a little bit of a stretch, but despite being named as jack’s “real” father, his relationship with kelly, his ostensible baby mama by proxy, seemed INCREDIBLY platonic to me. like they were such good buds! but he never had any of that romantic chemistry with her - there were no lingering notes or touches or whatever. he just wasn’t interested in that same way.

exasperated with gabriel and talking about porn stars in season 13 lol

canonically, castiel spent seasons 4-?? falling in love with dean, but he never made a move on him physically - yeah yeah the CW is homophobic but i like to think that most of castiel’s Urges where dean is involved are not in fact of a sexual nature. he wants to be close to him and important to him more than he wants to fuck him. you can long for someone in the ace way without longing for them sexually yk

this is part of why i actually really liked the 15.18 confession - the happiness was in the being, or whatever. he was already WITH dean in almost every way that mattered (i wrote a fic about this). they shared secrets, they shared burdens, they lived together, they fought and worked together, they even raised a fucking kid together! cas was convinced he couldn’t have more than that but also he didn’t really NEED much more than that and thinking about how he had been with dean all along was what made him happy enough to literally die. yeah there’s a version of that scene where the reciprocation was enough to do it but they accidentally hacked it into an ace love scene so i will TAKE it

this concludes my list! i bet it’s a lot longer than u were expecting

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edit: a few updates

#liz answers asks #anonymous #liz watches spn #liz's meta #liz's spn stuff #ace cas #long post #i'm sure there are more examples from s15 that i just...forgot...bc i only watched it once #and i can't bring myself to do it again lol

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