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The Apartment Post

The post I did not want to have to write

Okay, I have looked over everything and even done more research. So I am going to just say that in my opinion, it’s not Kaisoo’s apartment, it never was, it was always a dorm. It makes me sad in a way, and I know some of you hoped I would find a way to say otherwise but I can’t.

The apartment was always a theory, based on real evidence, mind you, but only the truths we knew at the time. There was plenty to theorize about in that place as it just being a dorm room didn’t add up. But in light of new info, there is no other conclusion I can personally reach. This is just my opinion, so do with it what you will.

Here’s how I know:

Urban Myth: EXO lives in Super Junior’s old dorms - what my research turned up this last week and why it matters

Clearly the livestreams and videos are not the Suju dorms at all, but somewhere else. It doesn’t seem like a big deal on the surface but to me, this was huge, and threw my theories into question undeniably. My being convinced about that room being an apartment was that I knew, after lengthy research, that it was NOT the SuJu dorms and since EXO lived in those dorms, the place in JI’s live streams, was definitely NOT in EXO’s dorms, and might be the apartment we’ve all heard about for years.

SuJu’s dorm (top pic) versus Exo’s dorm (below):

Had EXO moved at some point? Why would they? And when?

It made no sense to me that exo would move, in 2016, to SuJu’s large, high security dorms (with 8 bedrooms) and then, within a year, maybe less, move again by 2017, to new dorms, with the same configuration/benefits that SuJu’s dorms offered. I decided to do a deeper dig to find out what was going on here. Here’s what I found:

EXO living in SuJu’s old dorms in the Star City complex (11th and 12th floors) was widely reported and accepted since at least February 2016 when Kyuhyun from Super Junior, talked about EXO living in SuJu’s dorm.

BBH, on Idol Men, in July 2017, solidified this further: he discussed that EXO, did indeed have dorms on two floors, with Junmyeon, Sehun, PCY and Jongin living on the lower floor (which matches what Kyuhyun said - the 11th) and CBX+Kyungsoo living on the upper floor.

This room arrangement matched perfectly with the layout of SuJu’s apartments, so there was no reason to question “where” EXO lived. They validated, in every interview where they talked about the dorm, that they lived where it was reported. All of my “kaisoo apartment” research started with this accepted fact, therefore all my conclusions that JI’s live streams were not in the SuJu dorm were correct. But...

It seems that EXO living in SuJu’s dorms turns out to be a kind of “urban myth” that is still out there. According to the research I did this last week, it appears that EXO never took over both SuJu’s dorms. They reportedly did move into one of the dorms but SuJu never gave up the other one and continued to use it to at least mid-2019, by all that I can find. I did read about two members moving to a smaller apartment with a manager on the sixth floor, but that would have a completely different floor plan and the bigger apartment, that Suju still has, has remained the same since 2015.

What appears to have happened is that Kyuhyun talked about EXO living in the 11th floor dorm and that morphed into EXO taking over both dorm apartments (11th AND 12th floor), with BBH’s comments helping to cement that idea. See below:

So if EXO only moved into one of the dorms then it was a temporary arrangement. Even if we could argue that they temporarily lived in both SuJu dorms, it was still short-lived, as the dorms we are seeing in the videos and live streams are not SuJu’s old dorms and we know that EXO got their own rooms by late 2016.

The two new spaces in JI’s live streams and how they factor in to the apartment debate (especially with the added PCY video):

I keep reiterating that they live in the dorm (part-time) so Jongin in a new dorm room is not really a big deal in the scheme of things for me. I knew it was a dorm room from how crowded it was - items that would normally be elsewhere in an apartment, were all in his room.

But what was suspect was that items (the tv, the lamp, desk, chair, etc.) from the “apartment” were now in his new dorm room. Were they transferred from apartment to dorm? Or dorm room to dorm room? When combined with what is shown in all the videos, which I discuss down below, the evidence is too convincing in favor of dorm room to dorm room.

What about the live streams that show JI in a new apartment?

The PCY video of the dorm and JI’s live stream from a new apartment appear to be mirrored spaces - suggesting that the configuration is just the same as BBH said the dorms were, one up and one down. Ugh, but not the SuJu dorms.

I’ve already done a post showing the differences in the upper/lower apartments here.

Ji being in the upper apartment makes sense as I believe he said that he had moved into Minseok’s room(?). That would be the upstairs dorm apartment that houses KS+CBX so the interior items would be different. Since KS and Minseok are gone, that means JI shares only with BBH, who actually lives elsewhere and these days would most likely only be there for schedules with either EXO or SuperM (so it makes even more sense why he moved upstairs).

BUT, I need to stress that I am theorizing here because it does leave a question about what happens when Minseok gets back and he has schedules with CBX? Do they double up somewhere? Does he sleep on the couch? IDK.

The PCY + JI’s birthday Videos: These showed me everything I need to know to be convinced - it was always the dorm.

In Ji’s birthday video he walks into the room that I thought was the secret Kaisoo apartment. When he does this, you see that at the end of what I thought was a wall is actually a door. Beyond the door you can see that this is now just a room in a larger place, rather than an apartment itself.

In watching the PCY video, I could see right away that it appears JI is walking past the room Junmyeon comes out of (see photos below) to come in to blow out the candles on his cake. The key is the black boxy thing and its placement in both the dorm and and how it is seen from the room. By knowing where it is in the dorm, it lines up with the mystery room perfectly:

Also in the gif below, watching the shadows on the floor, where the light appears to come from and the angle that JI moves from to come in to the room. It appears to me that he is coming from the dining area in the dorm, which is on the other side of this room.

So given the above, I am going to theorize that the place that I thought and hoped was the apartment is the room across from the room that Junmyeon comes out from (which I also theorize is PCY’s room - I will talk about that in a future post) and is a dorm room after all.

Further evidence that this is the dorm: I noted that the door to JI’s room opens in to the left. So does the room I pointed to above.

And the final but compelling piece of evidence: the sliding glass door. SuJu’s dorms had no balconies, so I always knew it was not there. Also, it didn’t seem like a balcony or terrace, but rather another room (more about that in a future post) which many of us kind of thought, and I worked hard to prove, was a kitchen in their apartment. However, I don’t think that is the case. I think it’s a closed-in balcony area which so many korean apartments have. See below:

You can see that the doors are the same color and type. The sliding door on the left is at the end of the kitchen, the same end that JI’s room would be. So that means that his room would also open up on the same balcony as we see here.

So there you have it. After really hoping that my theorizing stood up in light of so much new information, I must conclude, for myself at least, and for those of you that believed with me because of the things I posted, that it was always a dorm room and not an apartment after all.

I am sorry to have brought you all along with my lengthy theory posts, encouraging you to believe in something that was never true. Truth be told, had I known then about the role that the SuJu dorms played in all this, I would have never embarked on the theory that that was Kaisoo’s apartment at all.

I always said that if I was wrong, I wanted to be corrected as I didn’t ever want to perpetuate an untruth.

So, I stand corrected. I did the best with the evidence I had at the time. And to be fair, Kaisoo having an apartment has been rumoured forever and theories have been around forever too. I was most definitely not alone in posting the apartment theories as there were many of us, some reaching the same conclusions, some not, but all of us enjoying the idea that this might be the place where Kaisoo gets away from it all and that JI was sharing it with us.

But fear not, he shares so much with us anyway. And just because this wasn’t THE apartment, doesn’t mean there isn’t one. It just means that it’s still a secret. Good for them and bless all those who know where it is and have kept it to themselves.

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