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lostsoulaltair · 2 years

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OnS Analysis & Theory - Shinoa’s character & the Forgotten Depth of the Root Problem (Chapter 118 & 120)

Hello everyone, after slacking for quite a time and pondering whenever to continue or not, @black-sapphire57 (thank you for always giving me that push to continue!) Let’s talk about one thing the fandom, or rather part of the fandom that is more focused on two characters got triggered about.

P.S: Theories are held within a neutral view and ships are excluded

Shinoa as a character has been popping less in terms of how right now the screen time has been focused for quite several chapters about the past of Mika and Yuu; and of course, there are two things I’d love to discuss.

1. The oh so called love confession

Under the most popular insight, we have chapter 118 on which after a long battle between Asuramaru and Yuu; ultimately Yuu wins, of course, in the outside world, it seems more akin that he’s dying and we have that famous panel on which Shinoa cries and begs for Yuu to stop.

Image taken from Chapter 118

One of the things many people gave insight was that ShInoa was confessing her love to him, that she was pouring her emotions to see what he’d say; but, is that really the case? Is that a fact?

In fact it’s not. Why? Is it a delusion? Is it a denial?

The answer is actually more simple that what it seems like and it retorts to something more primal and common which in fact, we tent to experience a lot as human beings in general, what could it be?

Correct, the fear of losing someone we love and care about.

This is something the manga portrays so much, everyone fights to protect what they hold dear even if they have to do wrongs or even if they have to go towards a path of self destruction but, the thing all characters fear is losing someone forever.

The connotation here or rather the scene that takes place is that Shinoa finally found a place she could call home and a group of persons she could label as family, and of course, the one who taught her that was Yuu no less. But why did she tell him to leave without her?

Shinoa knows pretty well that Yuu’s destiny right now is sealed in stone; she knows that the further he dives into the abyss, the further he’ll ever reach the light of the sun. This means, she’s aware that Yuu’s life is a stake and this is well known since chapter 72:

Image taken from chapter 72

And that is something certain, Shinoa is aware that the constant abuse of power only fractures Yuu’s body; the issue with chapter 118 reflected the fear of seeing someone she cares about to fade forever.

But why do I refer this to something primal or normal among humans?

When the bonds forged with time shatter due to the unexpected death, the first thing that comes is denial, pain, sadness, grief and ultimately pleading for the person to not go. A wish for a miracle is the factor that people seek. In Shinoa’s case, despite her being in love with Yuu, her wish is to see him alive instead of dead.

But now, let’s talk about another interesting point that triggered the fandom.

2. Shinoa’s resort of killing Mikaela

Image taken from Chapter 120

Something rather doubtful to some extent considering that Mika is a demon, The only way Shinoa could actually kill Mikaela would be literally taking away Yuu’s cursed gear which, considering the huge gap of power between both, it’s close to impossible that this scenario happens.

Therefore, why did she state that? Is it as how the fandom says that she’s angry Yuu rejected her?

No, this doesn’t even involve sentimentalism or romantic feelings,

What do I mean?

For that, let’s make some memories, who is Shikama trying to resurrect? Who is Yuu trying to resurrect mainly?

Of course, Mikaela.

Image taken from Chapter 113

Chronologically speaking, this takes place way before the vampires were a thing; it was a moment on which it was only Yuu, Shikama and the corpse. How can I say that? Do I have proof? I do.

One of the small details that the chapter gave insight of, is that the time the conversation took place was back when vampires weren’t even a thing; it was a time on which the journey was only about Shikama and Yuu trying to resurrect the corpse of Mikaela. It is the first path on which Shikama finds out he needs “SACRIFICES”.

Eventually population would rise and he’d have his apostles who would later see Yuu as the “sacrifice” to bring back Mikaela back to life:

Image taken from Chapter 106

Indeed, in order to bring Mikaela back to life, Yuu must be the sacrifice.

Though, there’s one big issue and detail that many might have forgotten, what could it be?

Correct. Shikama’s plans have changed ever since chapter 103:

Image taken from chapter 103

Therefore, what’s Shinoa actually trying to say with “even if I have to kill Mikaela”?

If Mikaela’s resurrection were bound to happen; first of all:

-Humanity would be further punished, which is something confirmed by the Progenitors for sure

-Second, all this “planning out something from Yuu for the greater end or killing and we’ll revive them later sounds quite interesting that he is so confident that his idea will happen” but, there’s just a tiny huge detail that seems to elude everything and that is him of course:

Image taken from chapter 117

Despite Yuu being free of the supposed shackles from the First Progenitor and to some extent having his own authonomy, Shikama found it ironic and funny:

Image taken from chapter 117

In the ultimate case Yuu manages to resurrect Mikaela, there are two questions that linger in the air since there’s nothing certain towards Yuu’s fate.

1. Once Mikaela is brought back, who’ll be the one waking up?

2. Will you die or will he become a source of power? After all Shikama’s plan does involve keeping them together for such goal.

In the ultimate case Yuu’s life would be endangered to be used and Mikaela Hyakuya would disappear and the one being brought back was the Son of Shikama, then it would be logic for her to say that saving Yuu is a priority even if it means killing Mikaela.

Another theory awaits, hope you enjoyed this analysis and theory dear readers, feel free to share your thoughts, after all, there are topics to discuss.

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thesoundofanicefall · 2 years

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The fact that Yuu after killing Ashera, felt no kind of guilty, sadness or anything else and even laughed happily over it...

He is turning to such a villain now...

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elyonholic · 2 years

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Ons Ch 118

What a fun chapter

I care about Mika more than the world, so whatever you are doing Yuu keep it up, protect the only thing that matters and leave those idiots behind.

#just a thought #chapter 118 #owari no seraph #seraph of the end #mikayuu #ons spoilers #ons #mikaela hyakuya #yuichiro hyakuya

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shiningthundert · 1 year

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Owari no Seraph: Why Yuu’s emotions probably aren’t manipulated/Fake *contains major spoilers*

I heard many people brush off Yuu’s feeling towards Mika as “manipulated/programmed” by Shikama Doji or “Survivor’s Guild” and after effects of Childhood Trauma (abandonment issues) but here is what actually speaks against this (I wrote a document file, with a lot of proof if you want to look it up later):

A) Yuu seems to know Mika even before he was dead. In chapter 122/123 we see Mika and Yuu still alive and kicking as angels (Seraph Mika and Cherub Yuu, it’s most definitely him), what proves this would be the to Mika seemingly familiar eye in chapter 106 and the fact Yuu “was created” out of this eyeball. That’s where we get to

B) Yuu wasn’t “created” but is a clone. As we already know from real-life, organs can be grown out of stem-cells or embryos and in Seraph of the end this “embryo” must be the original Yuu’s eye. You can’t replicate something without having the original and if Mika and Yuu were best Friends and together, even before Shikama had to make up this whole plan to revive his dead son, His current feelings and the fact (chapter 85) Yuu even went to the forbidden room, because he was drawn to Mika and didn’t even know he was in there, means they are real and Yuu isn’t programmed to feel that way. They are just remains of the feelings he had towards Mika from his original life.

C) And Yuu said those are his real feelings himself. While everyone is calling him “insane” or “manipulated” by Mikaela and the first, Yuu confirmed he was sane this entire time (Chapter 118) and isn’t doing what everyone says. (Page 34).

I also think Ashera saying “You’ve only ever had eyes for Mika” (Chapter 117) was foreshadowing to the fact, that he literally was an eye and with Mika even before humanity XD Someone also complained about Yuu’s “creepy eyes” from Chapter 113, which exactly look like the eye from Yuu’s original form. They probably weren’t meant as Yuu being a dead puppet, but probably as confirmation, that Yuu is “The Cherub” later on and only saw Mika ever since. You could also say, maybe these Cherubs were created by the first and fallen angels, as part of the Balu project (122) and Yuu was assigned to be Mika’s supervisor, but the first didn’t have his current plan in mind at that time, so of what use would be personal feelings if they could be a hindrance too (Maybe, telling Mika that his life could be in danger because of the project). Yuu’s feelings are 99% the real deal and Kagami, plus everyone involved in the ONS productions, confirmed Yuu’s feelings were romantically too what would go against “just a stupid obsession”.

Furthermore Yuu, was immediately starting to talk about himself going to die, if he can’t have Mika in his life (indirect suicide threat chapter 119) and explained how Mika always has been his reason to live, setting him apart from the rest of his family (Shinoasquad/Akane co.). When his parents abandoned him, Mika was there, when everyone died in the vampire capital, Yuu only lived on because Mika wanted him to and he wanted to get revenge for him and his dead family, when he found Mika again (1st/2nd) Reuinon he lived to protect what’s most dear to him and when losing him a second time, saving Mika was his purpose.

To this “He always lets Mika stand out from the rest of the family” we have A) The “I want to save my family, you’re family too” Mika: “You can’t have both” and Yuu suddenly saying “I don’t care for humanity” and even willing to risk the lives of the other children too, if it meant Mika would be safe. And B) The confusing translation of Chapter 119′s beginning:

“I always thought about myself and my Family” “I just had to save my family” “I just had to save you”, this sentence can be intepreted two ways 1. “I always thought I had to protect my family, but I only had to protect you” or 2. “Since I only have to protect my family, I only have to protect you” either way he is separating his feelings towards Mika from the others, meaning Mika is a special case. And remembering chapter 117/118 Ashera’s and Yuu’s fight, we learned that Yuu’s deepest desire, has not only something to with Mika, but also isn’t just wanting to save him(but this would be Shikama’s plan, so he is already acting out of order), although he only wants to save Mika if he claims, to want to save everyone. Again there seem to be personal feelings not even Shikamadu expected. The ‘separating Mika’ can be seen as manipulation, but thinking back on that, all Shikamadu ever did, was putting Yuu into a life scarring situation, cloning him and telling Yuu his purpose was Mika, although he won’t be able to remember that at all.

Last thing I actually wanted to say but forgot (sorry I have issues to concentrate, especially if I love the topic) was Yuu’s reaction to Mika and Shinoa’s confession. When he found out Shinoa loved him, he just rejected her, no further comments or reaction. But when Ashera told him, Mika was in love with him, he cried and suffered harder than before. He was already panicking and in despair because Mika died a 2nd time, but having to hear “he was in love with you”, made it even worse. If it was just fake, an obsession or he was just a brother to him, he wouldn’t have reacted as if he just lost the opportunity to get together with the one he loved since forever or even harder than he already did. (You know what I’m saying? If not just tell me). And after hearing he could save him as demon, he even was all that “what are you doing to *my* Mika?” and randomly calling Mika pretty: “There was an angel that looked like you”, “They look like you, but even prettier”, “See? That’s you”. It almost looks like he’s flirting with him (and I can tell you, I was like that when realizing I was in love with my BFF and she was in love with me, before we got for 3 years separated from eachother and met again XD).

I also think there’s something weird anyways in everyone being scared of Mika’s life and thinking Mika must be sacrificed if humanity has to be restored, but that’s another thing I’ll talk about next time. I was just mentioning it because, that would defy first: Mika being turned into a vampire, as part of emotional manipulation and second: Turning Mika into a demon, if it means him having to perish, although Shika’s plan is reviving Mika.--->https://www.tumblr.com/shiningthundert/711601715786481664/owari-no-seraph-the-weird-thing-of-mika-having-to?source=share

Edit/Addition: I forgot to say that yes, there is emotional Trauma which can shape a child and that also, there's a certain emotional dependency if the last member of the family survived and you always thought they were dead, to the point you also wanted to die, but this same emotional trauma, is what gave them the ability to grow closer and develop a relationship in the first place. Sympathy and trying to be the other's emotional support is what love needs as well and Mika is the only one Yuu has this with. So of course will a shared trauma strengthen their bond, but that doesn't necessarily mean that romantic love needs to develop. However what we know is, Yuu is attracted to Mika (source: Shippingwiki Trivia/Manga/Game/Interviews) and also the feeling he's the only one who understands you, on your side and will do everything to make you happy, that's what most people look in potential partners for and who is more fit for this role, than the one that always gave you a reason to live and you feel attracted to even before humanity and their death itself?

CHAPTER 125 SPOILERS

Edit: Called it, Yuu is the Homunculus and Mika was the one who gave him name and heart. See his hyperfixation doesn't come from nowhere and also isn't manipulated emotions as he was never intended to feel love until Mika gave him his name😆♥️♥️

#Mikayuu #Yuumika #owari no seraph #seraph of the end #ONS #ONS chapter 125

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nonbinarymikaela · 2 years

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ons 118 spoilers

video description: a static view of the second to last manga page of owari no seraph chapter 118, it shows, reading from top to bottom, right to left, first a panel of Shinoa with a look of worry and tears in her eyes, then a panel of Yuu sitting up from where his head was on her lap, Shinoa is startled and saying "No! Don't! Don't you dare say it...", then a panel of Yuu's side profile from behind, he's saying "I'm leaving." Finally, a long panel that takes up the left half of the page of what looks like a lightning strike as Yuu leaves quickly. Over the picture is playing the song Un velero llamado libertad, (A sailboat called freedom in english) by Jose Luis Perales, specifically a part of the chorus that says "y se marcho, y a su barco le llamó libertad" ("and she left, and her boat she called freedom" in english) a popular latin american meme

my mans just straight up left, good for him <3

im genuinely tired of them writing shinoa as if all she cares about is yuu, come on guys, come oooooon, her character is just plain bad writing, her "I cant live without you" feels so ridiculous, I'd tell her to read the fucking room but she's not a real person, the problem is how she's written, I'd thought she might be a voice of reason bc she seemed the most reluctant to fight Yuu back in 115 but then they just did that, it feels ridiculous, it is ridiculous and her character deserves better

I'm pissed off at shinoa squad as well, Guren fucking ambushed Yuu back in 114, and they let themselves be part of that, Guren said "pay attention to Yuu and his choice. if he chooses not to sacrifice Mika he is your enemy" and like good little pawns they grabbed their fucking weapons but then Yuu was fighting Asuramaru and going demon mode and as soon as they realized they might not win they turned to "Yuu let's talk about this, we're all family here" and yes Guren also ambushed them bc who wouldnt want to bring back their family, but I HATE how they just turned on Yuu immediately, turned on Mika immediately, how long have they spent together?? how long have they known Yuu?? and yet, despite knowing just how much Mika means to Yuu they turned on him at the first chance they got

I also read on a post before, and I agree, that while their families are dead and Mika is technically dead as well it's not the same fucking thing bc Mika is still here, conscious, he might not be alive by common standards but he's not dead in the same way that the rest of them are dead, they're asking Yuu to kill Mika for good for people that have been dead a long time already

Asuramaru saying that all of those were fake memories, manipulated emotions, that Yuu's real family is shinoa squad pissed me off too

I didnt fucking miss Ferid smiling while all of this was going down btw

Guren is an asshole, I still fucking hate him

I hope Yuu really does know what he's doing tho I seriously doubt it, I can only hope for the best and that he really does find a way

#ons 118 #owari no seraph #its a me post #ons spoilers

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