#zach and whitney bates

[countingandsnarkingon]

And Bates-Perkins #5 is….Lily Jo Bates

#zach and whitney bates #Baby Bates-Perkins 5 #Lily Jo Bates

[fundamental-cactus]

This made me giggle.

#bates sister boutique #carlin and evan #zach and whitney bates

[duggarbatesfan]

Bates Family Wedding Anniversaries Decemeber

Katie and Travis Clark: December 3rd 2021: 1 year

Zach and Whitney Bates: December 14th 2013: 9 years

Tori and Bobby Smith: December 16th 2017: 5 years

Gil and Kelly-Jo Bates: December 19th 1987: 35 years

#katie and travis clark #zach and whitney bates #tori and bobby smith #gil and kelly-jo bates #clark family #bates family #smith family #1 year #9 years #5 years #35 years #wedding anniversaries

[fundieshaderoom]

Baby Name Predictions: Baby Girl Bates (5)

Alright, we are a month away from the arrival of Zach and Whitney Bates' 5th child! It's a girl and their other girls start with the letter K. Although they said they aren't sure if they will continue the K trend, I am just going to assume they will decide to continue.

First Name:

Their other daughters are named Kaci Lynn and Khloe Eileen. I think these few K baby girl names could be possible:

Karlie (after Whitney's late father James Carl "JC")

Kaitlyn

Kamryn

Kaylee

Kylee

Middle Name:

Their four older children have family middle names. Bradley Gilvin (after Zach and Gil's middle names), Kaci Lynn (after grandmother Lynn Perkins), Khloe Eileen (Whitney's middle name), and Jadon Carl (grandfather JC's middle name). Here are some family names Zach and Whitney haven't used yet!

Jane (Mamma Jane)

Jo (Kelly and her late mother's middle name)

Final Predictions:

Karlie Jo

Kaylee Jane

#Bates Family #Zach Bates #Whitney Bates

[thefundiedata]

Family Overview | Zach & Whitney Bates

Pre-Court: Unknown Courtship: July 2013 Engagement: September 2013 Marriage: December 2013

Pre-Marriage Relationship Length: At least 166 Days

Their Family: Bradley Gilvin Bates - October 2014 Kaci Lynn - June 2016 Khloé Eileen - November 2019 Jadon Carl - June 2021 Lily Jo - August 2023

So What's Next? Zach and Whitney are predicted to announce their sixth pregnancy in August 2025 before a birth in February 2026.

#zach & whitney #the bates #family overview

[fundiebabynamebible]

2022 Bates Predictions Review

No baby for 2022. The house is looking great though.

Unfortunately no baby this year. They have been promoting their business a lot but it doesn't seem like Michael has been allowed to get a job so she can use her degree.

Erin hasn't really commented on her ovaries this year but thankfully Finley was born healthy. I was wrong about the house as they've moved to Florida.

Lawson and Tiffany married in May. No attendance from Bindi but yes I'd say it was over the top compared to some of the other weddings.

Nathan and Esther announced their pregnancy on Mother's Day and their daughter Kenna Joy was born in October, which is pretty much the end of the year.

I was wrong about the pregnancy announcement but right about them adding to the family in the next few years. I knew Maci wasn't their final child.

Tori was indeed pregnant when I wrote my predictions. She and Bobby welcomed Cambree (no K name) in August.

Trace and Lydia got engaged quicker than I was expecting with their engagement in March and wedding in October.

Turns out Layla unfortunately wasn't the only one experiencing health issues this year. Zade was born in mid March, they moved house but kept Izzy.

No pregnancy announcement for these two.

Katie did struggle with being away from her family and there were a lot of trips to see her in New Jersey. Baby #1 was announced in August and Hailey James is due in March.

Jackson didn't join the police and instead got himself a girlfriend. Kelly sadly lost her mom. It was a fairly quiet year for everyone else.

#fundie #bates family #fundie baby #fundie wedding #engagement #katie and travis #john and alyssa #tori and bobby #michael and brandon #lawson and tiffany #carlin and evan #josie and kelton #trace and lydia #nathan and esther #zach and whitney #chad and erin

[fundiepredictions]

Happy anniversary

Zach and Whitney Bates (Perkins) celebrate their 10th anniversary today.

Since their weddingday they became parents to Bradley (9), Kaci (7), Khloe (4), Jadon (2) and Lily (0)

#fundie #anniversary #zach&whitney #bates #perkins

[duggardata]

Really, Really Exciting Predictor Update!

The Mother's Age is Now Factored In.

Recently, I received this Ask—

... and I typed up a whole response, explaining how difficult it would be to factor in Maternal Age, it's hard to quantify its impact on child spacing, etc., etc.

But, this Ask really got me thinking... The Master Spreadsheet that "runs" the Predictor actually has a lot, a lot of data, at this point. In the past, I've balked at the idea of incorporating Maternal Age, as I didn't think we had a large enough sample size. Our sample size is way bigger now.

So, I decided to try. After thinking it over, I decided to calculate the [Non–Firstborn, Non–Post Loss] Child Spacing Average for women within several Age "Bands"—Under 25, 25 to 29.99, 30 to 34.99, 35 to 39.99, and 40 and Over. (Age at Birth is the age used.) Then for each Age Band except Under 25, I created a ratio for that Age Band vs. All Prior Bands. The result is basically a Maternal Age Multiplier, which quantifies Maternal Age's impact on Child Spacing. Here are the numbers— (Note—You'll see "N" listed below; that's the sample size as of July 26, 2022. Data is drawn from All Predictor Families / Couples, and a large number of similarly "fundie" families, primarily In–Laws or In–Laws of In–Laws of Predictor Families. Families like the Vuolos, who aren't quiverfull, aren't included in the data.)

Under 25 N=49. Average Child Spacing (ACS) for this Age Band is 594.35 Days.

Age 25–29.99 N=115. ACS for this Age Band is 673.20. ACS for Younger Age Bands—in this case, there is just one prior Age Band (Under 25)—is 594.35. Ratio is 1.1327.

Age 30–34.99 N=105. ACS for this Age Band is 735.47. ACS for the 2 Younger Age Bands is 649.64. Ratio is 1.1321.

Age 35–39.99 N=76. ACS for this Age Band is 807.86. ACS for the 3 Younger Age Bands is 683.14. Ratio is 1.1826.

Age 40+ N=44. ACS for this Age Band is 936.14. ACS for the 4 Younger Age Bands is 710.61. Ratio is 1.3174.

This shows that, as suspected, ACS increases with Maternal Age... Now, can we say that age causes the increase? Absolutely not. It's just a correlation. But, it's a very interesting correlation, for sure!

From now on, the Predictor will incorporate Maternal Age using the Age Bands above. Here's how it will work: Procreative Pace (PP) is calculated the same way as before. (Average of All Non–Firstborn, Non–Post Loss Child Spacings.) That PP is then multiplied by Age Ratio / Multiplier that matches with the mother's forecasted age at the baby's birth. As an example, take Zach + Whitney Bates. Their PP, based on their data to date, is 717 Days. Whitney is Age 28.84, and expected to give birth again just before her 30th Birthday. So, we'd predict her next child's (Bates–Perkins #5's) Child Spacing by multiplying their PP by 1.1327, the Age 25–29.99 Multiplier. For her next birth after that (Bates–Perkins #6), she's expected to be in the next Age Band (30–34.99)—so, that Child Spacing is calculated by multiplying their PP by 1.1321, the Age 30–34.99 Multiplier. This is repeated for subsequent pregnancy, until the Fertility Cut–Off. All Zach + Whitney's Age–Adjusted PPs (AAPPs), based on data as of today, are as follows—

Age 25–29.99 717 Days (Their Baseline) * 1.1327 = 818 Days

Age 30–34.99 717 Days * 1.1321 = 818 Days

Age 35–39.99 717 Days * 1.1826 = 848 Days

Age 40+ 717 Days * 1.3174 = 945 Days

What's really cool about this is that, as more babies are born or more families are added to the Master Spreadsheets, the Age Band Ratios recalculate automatically. And, each couple's Age–Adjusted PPs will also recalculate automatically. So, it's very dynamically driven by the data.

Hopefully this makes sense to everyone, and y'all like it... Feel free to send in Asks of DMs with any questions or comments.

I'll do an ESOQ Update, factoring in Maternal Age, soon!

Thank you to the Anon who got me thinking about this!

#predictor #procreative pace

[spurgie-cousin]

Ok y'all know how invested I am in Whitney's couch journey

If you need a recap last time on Whitney Buys A Love Sac she bought white covers with the feeling that it wasn't going to work out with all of her kids (no shit ya know but it did look cute) and sure enough within days she was exchanging the covers for something else.

This time she got light gray (looks pretty similar to meeeee 😬) but according to her it's velvet, and Zach has already spilled chocolate sauce on it and it came out fine so. It is cute and I guess if the kids fuck it up you can just buy another cover lol, I don't know what this commitment to light colors is all about (I mean I do its trendy and trend trumps all for the Bates). But it's cute Whit I want one still good luck with the million sticky hands.

#fundie instagram #whitney bates

[countingandsnarkingon]

Baby Bates-Perkins #5 is coming August 2023

#zach and whitney bates #Baby Bates-Perkins 5

[fundieinfoplace]

Breaking News: Baby Bates #5 Gender Reveal

Baby Bates #5 Is a 🎀. It's another Girl for Zach and Whitney.

Baby joins big siblings Bradley, Kaci, Khloe and Jadon here come August.

#bates family #gender reveal

[lovingduggarbates]

BATES FAMILY AS JUNE 2023

Zach& Whitney: Bradley(2014), Kaci(2016), Khloe(2019), Jadon(2021) and expecting baby girl(2023).

Michael&Brandon

Erin&Chad: Carson(2015), Brooklyn(2016), Everly(2018), Holland(2019), Finley(2022) and expecting baby boy(2023).

Lawson& Tiffany

Nathan&Esther: Kenna(2022).

Alyssa&John: Allie(2015), Lexi(2017), Zoey(2018), Maci(2021) and Rhett(2023).

Tori&Bobby: Kade(2018), Kolter(2020), Charlotte (2021 ) and Cambree(2022).

Trace& Lydia: expecting Ryker(2023).

Carlin&Evan: Layla(2020) and Zade(2022).

Josie&Kelton: Willow(2019) and Hazel (2021).

Katie&Travis: Hailey(2023).

Jackson

Warden

Isaiah

Addallee

Ellie

Callie

Judson

Jeb

[fundieshaderoom]

Which Bates Has The Most Nieces and Nephews?

Nathan

50 nieces and nephews

21 from Esther's side

29 from Nathan's side

Alyssa

43 nieces and nephews

17 from John's side

26 from Alyssa's side

Erin

39 nieces and nephews

14 from Chad's side (there are likely more)

25 from Erin's side

Michaela

39 nieces and nephews

8 from Brandon's side

31 from Michaela's side

Carlin

36 nieces and nephews

7 from Evan's side

29 from Carlin's side

Jackson

32 nieces and nephews

1 from Emmy's side

31 from Jack's side

Katie

31 nieces and nephews

1 from Travis' side

30 from Katie's side

Warden, Isaiah, Addie, Ellie, Callie, Judson, and Jeb

31 nieces and nephews

Trace

30 nieces and nephews

0 from Lydia's side

30 from Trace's side

Lawson

30 nieces and nephews

0 from Tiffany's side

30 from Lawson's side

Josie

29 nieces and nephews

1 from Kelton's side

28 from Josie's side

Tori

27 nieces and nephews

1 from Bobby's side

26 from Tori's side

Zach

26 nieces and nephews

0 from Whitney's side

26 from Zach's side

[fundie-predictions]

Who is the Most On-Trend With Their Baby Names? Bates-Edition

After completing the Duggar version of this analysis, I decided to do one for the Bates as well. This analysis might not be as thorough as the Duggar one though, as so many of the GrandBates have more unusual names or alternate spellings. Following the previous rules, I looked up the popularity of each GrandBates name in the year they were born to see which parents are the most “on-trend.” Rankings outside of the top 1000 were unable to be determined. Only first names were considered for this analysis. For babies born in 2022/2023, 2021 data was used. For Kade and Carson, I included both their legal first names and their nicknames.

Zach and Whitney

Bradley (b. 2014) - Ranked #183

Kaci (b. 2016) - Not ranked. (Casey #856)

Khloe (b. 2019) - Ranked #136 (Chloe #24)

Jadon (b. 2021) - Not ranked. (Jayden #41, Jaden #307, Jaiden #415)

Erin and Chad

Charles (b. 2015) - Ranked #50

Carson (b. 2015) - Ranked #89

Brooklyn (b. 2016) - Ranked #34

Everly (b. 2018) - Ranked #53

Holland (b. 2019) - Ranked #742

Finley (b. 2022) - Ranked #211

Nathan and Esther

Kenna (b. 2022) - Ranked #711

Alyssa and John

Allie (b. 2015) - Ranked #255

Lexi (b. 2017) - Ranked #342

Zoey (b. 2018) - Ranked #29

Maci (b. 2021) - Ranked #504

Tori and Bobby

Robert (b. 2018) - Ranked #71

Kade (b. 2018) - Ranked #355 (Cade #340)

Kolter (b. 2020) - Not ranked.

Charlotte (b. 2021) - Ranked #3

Cambree (b. 2022) - Not ranked.

Carlin and Evan

Layla (b. 2020) - Ranked #24

Zade (b. 2022) - Not ranked.

Josie and Kelton

Willow (b. 2019) - Ranked #45

Hazel (b. 2021) Ranked #28

Katie and Travis

Hailey (b. 2023) - Ranked #77

Probably unsurprising to a lot of us, Josie and Kelton are the most “on-trend” with their baby name selections. I know personally, besides maybe Katie and Travis, Josie and Kelton’s baby name selections are the only ones I don’t absolutely hate. Like we saw with the Duggars as well, there are some couples that have a couple very “on-trend” names, but then others are ranked very low or not at all (see Erin and Chad and Tori and Bobby). 

#fundie #baby names #bates family #webster family #smith family #stewart family #balka family #clark family #paine family #just for fun

[fundiepredictions]

What I predicted for August

Things I predicted (some long ago) to happen in August.

Jinger&Jeremy Vuolo (Duggar) announce baby #3

Zach&Whitney Bates have their 5th child on august 21

Nathanael&Katrina Wissmann have their 1st child on august 21

Nurie&Nathan Keller (Rodrigues) announce baby #3

Renee Rodrigues get's engaged with mystery men

Mitchell&Bryn Bontrager announce baby #4

Lincoln Bontrager and Susanna Helferich get married

We hear from Jesse&Anna Maxwell's baby

#fundie #month preview #jinger&jeremy #duggar #vuolo #zach&whitney #bates #perkins #nathanael&katrina #wissmann #sahlstrom #nurie&nathan #keller #rodrigues #reneerodrigues #mitchell&bryn #bontrager #lincolnbontrager #susannahelferich #lincoln&susanna #jesse&anna #helferich #maxwelll #craig #I no longer think Renee is courting but I made the prediction so...

[duggardata]

A Much–Awaited ESOQ Update!

As of today (November 7, 2022), here are the Predictor's Estimated Sizes of Quiver (ESOQs) for the following Predictor Couples—

The Bateses—

Zach + Whitney (Perkins) Bates 9 Children

Michaela (Bates) + Brandon Keilen 0 Children (Infertility)

Erin (Bates) + Chad Paine 5 Children (Quiver Closed)

Lawson + Tiffany (Espensen) Bates 10 Children

Nathan + Esther (Keyes) Bates 10 Children

Alyssa (Bates) + John Webster 14 Children (We'll See...)

Tori (Bates) + Bobby Smith 16 Children

Trace + Lydia (Romeike) Bates 10 Children

Carlin (Bates) + Evan Stewart 10 Children (We'll See...)

Josie (Bates) + Kelton Balka 13 Children

Katie (Bates) + Travis Clark Unknown; <1 So Far (Birth Control)

Jackson Bates + Emerson Wells 13 Children

The Bontragers—

Chelsy (Bontrager) + John Maxwell 8 Children (We'll See...)

Mitchell + Brynn (Leppert) Bontrager 9 Children

Allison (Bontrager) + Jeremiah Helferich 9 Children

Carson + Carolina (Bowers) Bontrager 8 Children

Joshua + Cassidy (Bowers) Bontrager 9 Children

Denver + Praise (Helferich) Bontrager 4 Children

The Duggars—

Josh + Anna (Keller) Duggar 7 Children (Quiver Closed)

John + Abbie (Burnett) Duggar 5 Children

Jill (Duggar) + Derick Dillard Unknown; 3 So Far (Birth Control)

Jessa (Duggar) + Ben Seewald 10 Children

Jinger (Duggar) + Jeremy Vuolo 8 Children (We'll See...)

Joe + Kendra (Caldwell) Duggar 15 Children

Josiah + Lauren (Swanson) Duggar 10 Children

Joy (Duggar) + Austin Forsyth 10 Children

Jed + Katey (Nakatsu) Duggar 8 Children

Jer + Hannah (Wissmann) Duggar 11 Children (His Data)

Justin + Claire (Spivey) Duggar 5 Children

The [Quiverfull] Kellers—

Esther (Keller) + John Shrader 14 Children

Priscilla (Keller) + David Waller 9 Children

Anna (Keller) + Josh Duggar 7 Children (Quiver Closed)

Nathan + Nurie (Rodrigues) Keller 14 Children

David + Hannah (Reber) Keller 11 Children

The Maxwells—

Nathan + Melanie Maxwell 7 Children (Quiver Closed)

Chris + Anna Marie Maxwell 6 Children (Quiver Closed)

Sarah (Maxwell) + Kory Bollinger 0 Children (Due to Age)

Joseph + Elissa Maxwell 7 Children

John + Chelsy (Bontrager) Maxwell 8 Children (We'll See...)

Jesse + Anna Patrice Maxwell 6 Children

The Rodriguii—

Jill (Noyes) + David Rodrigues 13 Children (Quiver Closed)

Nurie (Rodrigues) + Nathan Keller 14 Children

Kaylee (Rodrigues) + Jonathan Hill 11 Children

The Wissmanns—

Rachel (Wissmann) + Alan Busenitz 7 Children

Ruth (Wissmann) + Ryan Bourlier 10 Children

Josiah + Abi (Rehm) Wissmann 6 Children

Bethany (Wissmann) + Daniel Beasley 10 Children

Andrew + Kori (Knuth) Wissmann 5 Children

Matthias + Michelle (Kingery) Wissmann 6 Children

Hannah (Wissmann) + Jer Duggar 15 Children (Her Data)

Nathanael + Katrina (Sahlstrom) Wissmann 10 Children

Miscellaneous—

Olivia (Collingsworth) + Dawson Aichholz 7 Children

Meagan (Forsyth) + Bobby Ballinger 8 Children

Bethany (Baird) + David Beal 7 Children

Karissa + Mandrae Collins 11 Children

Kord + Grace (Wikstrom) Etbauer 16 Children

Rebekah (Baird) + Daniel Gill 10 Children

Courtney + Christopher Rogers 14 Children

Kristin + Justin Young 9 Children

For those keeping score at home, the Largest Quivers are expected to be born to—

16 Children Grace + Kord Etbauer, Tori + Bobby Smith

15 Children Joe + Kendra Duggar, Jeremiah + Hannah Duggar (Based on Wissmann Family Data)

14 Children Esther + John Shrader, Nurie + Nathan Keller, Courtney + Christopher Rogers

#esoq