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julijbee · 4 months
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i like the pathologic classic steppe flowers a lot.
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goddidntdothis · 8 months
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[ DAY FIVE : BIG ONE AND SMALL ONE ]
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krt-ek · 2 months
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"Oh, how she struggled trying to flee back to the abyss!"
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bandiiey · 2 years
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strangewiggles · 8 months
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Betrayal means death.
The only real crime is betraying someone who trusted you.
...bonus funnies and my usual process-related rambling under the cut.
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i was gonna add one with yulia that said some shit like "when youre trying to restore order to the town but it turns out your ex-wife lives there" cuz theyre super divorced to me tbh. but im low on energy rn LOL
this drawing was actual torture. heres the first version of it
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it went through a lot of tweaks cuz i could not get her eyes or anything right like at all. i went through many shading colors that im not even gonna show. i also did go through many variations of what was gonna be filling up the negative space.
i knew the barrel of the gun was gonna be there the whole time but i had many ideas.
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the first was a few different doodles in each corner of artemy and aglaya meeting, being cute, running away, and. well. you know. .. i ended up struggling so hard with this so i left home for like 3 days and came back to it. decided not to do this either since i was drawing too many busts and it was annoying.
i wanted hands in there so i drew multiple hands multiple times and ended up with the final lineless hands as seen in the full drawing.
ill shut up now baii
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road-kill-eater · 5 months
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bos turokh
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fancifulplaguerat · 9 months
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God I have to say I adore how Pathologic uses the concept of haruspicy, like I am absolutely enthralled by the “body is the universe” idea, the way that Bos Turokh makes the concept of visceral divination so literal—Artemy as a haruspex is not just interpreting omens from entrails but reading fate from a living image of the universe, and I am very much an Enjoyer of the idea that to open the body and understand anatomy is to understand the universe. I am also. Abnormal. About the entire concept of ‘the Lines’ because of how Patho’s text uses the idea of threads as connected to fate and the future; the game is definitely engaging with the ‘threads of life’ given Yulia’s description of the Mistresses’ power and the multiple instances where Yulia, Lara, and Anna adopt the roles of the Three Parcae. But to me the Lines also evoke lines of the body like ligaments, veins, arteries, muscle striation, joints, etc., linking the metaphorical threads of life and fate to anatomy and the structure of flesh. Fuck I just think the entire concept has fascinating implications because it is extended to the human body, such as with one Herb Bride saying that “The naked body is the most accurate image of the world,” which is in line with Artemy’s comment that “Any body contains a world” and Daniil saying that, “Every person is a world—after a fashion.” I am throwing up blood. My lungs are failing.  
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glitteringpoet1685 · 28 days
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P1 Artemy based on this statue of the Roman god Mithras slaying a bull.
I've not read anymore than the wikipedia page on it, so don't quote me on this, but it seems that one of the earlier interpretations of the image was that it depicted the killing of a 'primordial bovine' from which animal life was created, coming from the Zoroastrian creation myth, which gave me major Bos Turokh vibes. I also kept the snake in there cause Daniil Imao
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meirimerens · 9 months
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tfw you know your sacred body is the world and as much as bos turokh holds the sky across the hide of his back you hold the waning and waxing moons in the span of your arms
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permian-tropos · 4 months
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pathologic fans should play slay the princess if you like bos turokh/suok as a ship concept
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danvolodar · 18 days
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Pathologic and the Town's Russianness: 4
This part will deal with a relatively major topic in Pathologic - religion. Or, well, with the major discrepancy between religion in the Town and in historical Russian Empire.
Most of this post will be about the denizens of the Town, but let's briefly mention the Kin. They have a pretty clear-cut pagan religion, with multiple personified deities: Bos Turokh, Boddho, Suok (the difference with historical religions, of course, being the fact that the magic actually works in the Steppe). The state's apparent non-interference with them practicing their religion fits well enough into the Imperial policies of the early XX century. What doesn't is the lack of control. The Empire was very much a bureaucratic behemoth, it sought to control anyone who influenced the minds of its citizens. The Interiour Ministry had a Department of Spiritual Affairs, and its officials had their fingers in every pie, demanding the right to veto religious leader assignments in the local communities, paying state wages to those of these leaders who played nice, etcetera. However, apparently, the historical Department was chronically understaffed (to the point of its aforementioned veto rights being unenforceable), and the game is very reductive when it comes to the official state apparatus in general, so all in all, the way the Capital-based civilization treats the Kin religion is a passable fit for the Russian Empire.
Quite a different story with the majority religion. In the Russian Empire, Orthodoxy was de-facto a state religion. While ethnic minorities were allowed to practice their religions undisturbed (by early XX century, mind, that hadn't exactly been that way throughout the entire Imperial history), ethnic Russians were mandated by law to be Orthodox Christians. Not being a practicing Orthodox was literally a felony.
Historical precedent showed that even for a scion of one of the Empire's most noble families a single religious misstep could lead to fatal consequences: in the 1730ies, Mikhail Alekseyevich Golitsyn was forced to become a court jester for secretly converting to Catholicism to marry a German, his marriage was dissolved and he was ordered to remarry another jester.
Of course, quite some time had passed since that incident, yet the Church remained intimately intertwined with the state. The semi-independent Patriarchate was replaced as its governing body with the Most Holy Synod, a state organ with mixed clergy and layman membership, during Peter I's reforms, which factually made the Church a part of the state apparatus. Ever since then, caesaropapism remained the norm. The Church had multiple functions that nowadays would only be expected of the state, such as birth registrations or running primary schools. A church was an essential part of any settlement, the presence of one differentiating a small hamlet (деревня, derevnya) from a village (село, selo). Vital events such as marriages or burials could only be done through the Church (and since the Old Believers could not participate in the Nikonian rituals, bribes from them sometimes formed a large part of parish incomes). The Church as an institution - much like the other parts of the Imperial state machine, - was facing a crisis of confidence by the early XX century, but common folk were still expected to regularly come to service, confess and receive communion. The faith became so ingrained into the language that even the Soviet militant atheists could not remove all the "thank god"s and "help god"s on every occasion from it (starting right with thanking someone: the word for "thanks" in Russian is spasibo - спасибо, literally means "god sav[e you]") .
None of that is present in Pathologic. There is not a single church in the Town, apparently - not even family chapels. References are sometimes made to religion, and that implied baseline seems to be Orthodox Christianity, but nothing indicates anyone in the Town is an active, practicing believer. The game actually takes it to a hilarious degree: in the Diurnal ending, when Saburov tells Artemy that Katherina is going to bring Cathedral back to life, he shoots back: "Just tell me she's not religious. Anything's better. Even a second plague".
To be fair, the educated class being fashionably atheist matches the late Empire well enough - both because of the aforementioned crisis of confidence in the Church, and because of the general naïve positivism of the era. Dankovsky is pretty stereotypical in that regard (and his talk of angels does not really contradict that atheism, or even hints at him being brought up a Christian, to begin with, given that there are of course angels in Judaism).
However, just like the Soviets, IPL apparently haven't been able to get rid of Orthodox sentiments altogether. A remarkable example is a dialog snippet with Big Vlad, when he's in the Termitary and Capella is dead (if memory serves). The only thing he says to Artemy, essentially, is "forgive me if I have ever wronged you": a very Christian repentance before death. One of Artemy's dialog options then is even more so. In the English translation it's "God is merciful", the Russian original is literally "God will forgive": a characteristic non-answer which sounds like a blessing, but actually means something like "God will forgive [you, but I will not, despite you asking, because Lord's mercy is without limit, while mine isn't]".
Finally, time to mention the elephant... well, animal... steppe creature... in the room - Clara and her sainthood. Ironically, that is the most Orthodox plotline in the game. Just like the other Christian denominations, Orthodoxy recognizes multiple modalities of sainthood, which of course has to do with it being, like Catholicism also, two different religious practices in one coat: one for the monks, the other for the laymen and the clergy who have not taken up the vows. Saints can come from both parts of the divide, they just need a feat for the betterment of the faith and the humanity at large: a martyrdom, or converting a large number of non-believers, or protecting the Orthodox flock from depredations... The Changeling, however, can be understood as a yurodivy - an Orthodox saint that is a fool for Christ, that is, operates outside the usual societal norms on direct divine inspiration. Usually coming from laymen stock, such saints don't earn their veneration by following the canons of monastic or even layman life, but rather, submit themselves to God immediately. Clara's "God reveals himself to people by my hands" is a 100% hit on that modality: it's not her performing miracles by God, but God revealing himself to the world through her. It is, in a way, like the Sufi mystics seeking to suppress the nafs (ego) to reach communion with God.
Then, of course, comes the blood sacrifice. Well, I don't think there's a long explanation needed here on why this is not an Orthodox Christian idea. Yes, the sacrifice of Jesus redeemed the Original sin, but Jesus is God. One cannot be saved by another man's sacrifice in Orthodoxy, much less by turning another man into blood sausage. Yes, repentance is commendable (based on Luke 15:7), and sacrificing yourself for others' sake, too (John 15:13) - so the Humbles themselves can be seen as repentant sinners; but there can be no justification for these who slaughter them. Worse still, establish a process of slaughtering them, requiring ever more victims. That, naturally, run against the foundations of Orthodox Christianity (the sixth commandment).
So, to sum this part up. The way the Capital treats the religion of the Kin passably resembles what the Russian Empire could've done; the atheist educated class also fits the mold. But the rest of the game's setting, particularly the lack of day-to-day organized Church presence in the Town, could not be any further from the historic Imperial society. Similarly, Clara's sainthood in itself fits into the religious life of the Empire well enough; but the Humbles ending absolutely destroys it.
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deldela · 3 months
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Bos Turokh
bull: @jennisims
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gayspaceghost · 1 year
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rip Bos Turokh, you would have made a great Panacea
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ninakaina · 2 years
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btw my opinion on the diurnal ending (never before posted on tumblr dot com) is that it's an intentional parallel to the bull sacrifice at the ragi barrow. bos turokh is a sacrificial bull & artemy's path is the path of sacrifice. w the ragi barrow plot olkho-o tells us: "the bull is like the world. a yargachin cuts a bull along the lines, and the world comes to order. the bull is pleased. we are pleased. you are pleased." and "soon he will become himself, and the sky and the earth will return to their due places. gorkhon shall flow, and harsh winter will chase away the foul autumn. that which came from the ground shall return to the ground." it's also intentionally obscured and complicated (the miracles begging you not to do it, boddho's murmur, etc) because a sacrifice has no power if it's easy. also i personally think it's still possible for twyre to grow in diurnal (if you don't pick the ashen swish at isidor's house before then it's still there, maybe an oversight but it is There), it's just no longer twyre season because the sacrifice has allowed the seasons to change ("harsh winter will chase away foul autumn"; shoutout to the turning wheel motif in termite p1).
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rathologic · 1 year
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THANK YOU FOR POINTING OUT HOW OBVIOUSLY FETISHY NARA'S DEATH WAS. It was so weird and unnecesary, they could've just removed her from the game and everything would be the same. And she was killed in the abbatoir where a lot of reloads had to happen, so most players needed to gut her multiple times. It was SO uncomfortable
truly though I don't really agree with the removal part nara Is integral to the themes of bos turokh/the world/the hearts; in terms of cutting something important and living open such that other things can survive (in this case, so that you can walk out with panacea ingredients- although every factor stopping you is contrived!), she serves exactly the same function as the bull that the Kin asked you to cut open a few days earlier (in that case, for the meat. and having this direct parallel btwn the slaughtered bull and woman is Weird in its own right). the Diurnal ending is what happens when you cut the Earth alive in the same way as them, so the thematic issue goes back around to "why is there no choice not to kill her", especially b/c Oyun's request that you go through the Abattoir in this way to gain a spiritual understanding of the Kin is ostensibly a pro-Nocturnal move... though all of the logical reasoning for that sequence is already so flimsy. like you can't remove her without destroying the thematic structure of the game, but that structure already sucks
ANYWAY yeah it's so fucked up that the player's entire relationship with her is through a sexual lens ("will you have me now?", "your wife", the fade to black and SFX) that's not present Anywhere else in pathologic. the way she's also known artemy since childhood but is only given a character whatsoever through needing to get killed by him... and then framing this treatment as an immutable fact of her culture as if the writers didn't write it on purpose. also the way the game starts with d1's extremely graphic cutscene of another herb bride being burned alive (described by NPCs as the atrocity it is) before it turns around and asks you to do the same thing :~\
also I mention this every six months or so but did you know the p2 herb bride textures include their genitals? eva too iirc but it's genuinely so blatant as to their purpose in the game
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the-polyhedron · 1 year
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i send via ask but its not even sunday!!!!! any happy birthday beloved mutual of mine. please. take a kiss from my cow plushy who is named Bos Turokh after Bos Turokh from masterpiece of a game Pathologic.
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He sends all the birthday regards! Moo! Remember the lines!
Thank you!! Have a home-made Executor in return:
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