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furiousgoldfish · 7 months
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There's more to living in abuse than just always being afraid of violence and getting injured and shunned whenever you try to stand up for yourself.
There's days, weeks and months of hard work, where you do believe you'll be able to prove that you're good enough, and in return you get told that nothing you did was of any value. That hurts deeply. There's time and energy you put into trying to understand the abusers, trying to make them less abusive by giving them care and love, believing, as you were lead to, that they'll be good if only you do as they say. You end up absolutely devastated as they return to taking every bit of anger out on you, unfairly, after you did everything in your power to please them.
There's hearing and overhearing them talking about you, like you're not a part of the family. There's sleepless nights where you try to figure out how to improve, how to earn your right to belong, how to not make them ashamed of you. There's a feeling of anxiety that you're possibly fundamentally wrong and unlovable, to the point where nothing will ever be good enough, no matter how hard you try.
There's moments when you know deep inside that what they're accusing you of, what they're insulting you with, is entirely untrue. You know you're not selfish, you know that your intentions aren't evil, you know that you're not doing anything to do them any harm. You know yourself. But then you keep hearing over and over, how every person in your living space, possibly even in your life, considers you the worst, most selfish, most despicable, menacing, manipulative and demonic. They think this despite all of the kindness, love, care you've given them, all the work you've done for them! It drowns you.
This teaches you that hard work doesn't matter. Doing your best doesn't matter, loving and caring doesn't matter, being considerate and useful doesn't matter. You still have to be those things or you'll be damned to hell and punished and told you're unworthy to live, but even after you do all of it, you'll still be left feeling like you're the worst, laziest, most selfish person to ever exist. It makes the world have no sense, and only sense you can possibly see in those moments is that since everyone agrees on this, it must be something wrong with you. If everyone sees something evil in you, it must be true.
That's how the abuse makes you stop believing in yourself, and in your own knowledge of who you are. It shows you with actions, responses to your effort and work and care, that even your best will be met with contempt. It makes nothing worth doing, and brings you into a state of hopelessness, depression, inability to see any way forward. It's a way to make you more submissive and willing to just do what you are told, because you yourself can no longer figure out what to do.
And for those who've been through that, they shouldn't have done that to you. Your hard work has deserved recognition. Nothing you did back then was of no-value. Your effort was admirable, and your best was impressive. It was not your fault you were put in an un-winnable scenario, you could not have known that no matter what, they would have reacted with abuse. It's likely they've benefited from your work massively and never told you. You've been exploited and nothing they said had any reality connected to it. They lied to you. You were doing incredible that entire time.
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adastreia-12 · 4 months
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poseidon’s relationship with percy is something that is so personal to me. love so flawed and complicated, so wary and tentative. your father is here. he’s always been here. he’s not sure what to make of you but he is proud of you. you’re not sure what to make of him either. you’re sally jackson’s son, but you have your father’s eyes. you are the sea as much as he is. trust him. trust yourself. breathe. the sea does not like to be restrained.
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thetimelordbatgirl · 23 days
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Maybe its just me, but people suddenly acting like Alexa Nikolas has no right to be upset about being bullied on the set of Zoey101 and feeling isolated on said set is just eye-brow iffy to me. "Your still mad about something from when you were 12!"- maybe because she was the victim of said shit and has every right to be upset about it still as news flash, being upset about stuff like being bullied and feeling isolated doesn't just disappear as soon as you become an adult?
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hungerpunch · 11 months
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fun fact 12 step programs were developed by two white christian men in 1930s america
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dapperrokyuu · 7 months
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Just watched the first episode of Ron Kamonohashi’s Forbidden Deductions and it certainly was something. My guy has the Code Geass but exclusively for telling you to kill yourself, adjlfnbdafk-
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makerscockandballs · 4 months
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also youre not feminist for making demeter some evil overbearing mother & persephone a rebellious child. youre a sheep
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subconsciousmysteries · 7 months
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writing a big post on trauma bonding and the whole 8-2-4 triad…
Stay tuned.
I truly believe that the 8-2-4 path is where trauma bonding lives. Not to say that other types can’t get involved in trauma bonds — every other type has a connection to 8 2 or 4, do they not? — but this 8-2-4 triad is really the center where the whole addiction vulnerability (8) and the romanticisation of interpersonal chaos (4) occurs.
#7s also romanticize chaos lolllllll but it’s different#they romanticize the excitement of chaos… they don’t romanticize pain and suffering of chaos like 4s do#Every time a 4 says Love Is Pain Love Is Suffering a kitten dies#like 4s are really the ones responsible for GLORIFYING toxicity as romance#4 = BPD in its extreme manifestation… and this is exactly what borderlines do too#they go on about how their toxic inconsistent behavior and their cycles of idealization and devaluing is just Passion and Intensity#No it’s abuse.#Anyhow I’ll explain this in more depth in my post#being brutal to 4s as always because they’re truly the most evil type#I keep trying to find evidence to the contrary but there is none#Everyone can be evil but no one quite forces everyone to think their evil is good like a 4 does#you know all those things you hate about 1s#yeah that’s coming from 1 —> 4#Meaning that’s what 4s are like in their regular state#Hypocritical… holier than thou… abusive… forcing their standards onto everyone else#Standards which are often super perverse and fucked up#Playing the victim whilst they victimize everybody else#The diff is that 4 is withdrawn and 1 is preachy superego so 4 is more sneaky about their terrible behavior#1 just splurts it all out there#And yeah I’ve seen 4s be abused by others before as well#obviously no one is invulnerable to being abused (and no one is immune to being abusive)#however I’ve never seen a 4 who didn’t take their misery that they gained from others out on undeserving people#And we all have 4 somewhere in us#it’s the part of us that mistreats the people who don’t deserve it whilst you glorify and suck up to the human personifications of fentanyl
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codthefishgod · 1 month
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To all the people who think aspec people aren't LGBTQIA+ because we aren't "discriminated against enough", here's a lovely list of reasons why you need to educate yourself:
- We suffer from dehumanisation, people actively devaluing or even erasing our humanity because of our identities (The voidpunk community is heavily supported by aspec people because of this)
- We suffer from self hatred due to feeling as if and being told we are broken, that no one can be happy unless they're in a romantic/sexual relationship, because of allonormativity and amatonormativity that actively damages our mental health
- Amatonormativity shapes laws that put us at an active disadvantage, such as giving married people financial and legal benefits
- Aspec people have been victims of conversion therapy, correctional rape, a lower quality of life, and other effects of being a marginalised and oppressed group
- We suffer from our identities being pathologised and deal with medical stigma because of this, causing many of us to feel unwelcome in and even avoid health care settings
- We suffer from our identities being erased, which can range from people completely denying our existence and people equating it to celibacy, to an almost complete absence of aspec representation in the media (It's been getting better lately, especially for alloaces and aroaces, but I have yet to ever see a canon aroallo character, and representation for those on the spectrum rather than in the extremes is often ignored)
- YOU are creating a hateful, exclusionary space in a community meant to be about inclusion. The same thing that happens to us happens to bisexual people, to polyamorous people, and other identities that are "disputed." In a community meant to be about rejecting the norm, YOU are shoving us out because we don't fit the norm of being LGBTQIA+. Because we're not enough like you.
These are only a few examples of aphobia that people like me deal with. Discrimination and oppression against aspec people stretches far beyond this.
But even if it didn't, it is disrespectful and harmful to everyone involved to gatekeep membership in the community based on oppression and discrimination.
We aren't LGBTQIA+ because we experience oppression. We are LGBTQIA+ because our existence alone goes against heteronormativity and other societal norms forced upon us.
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thatbitchery · 4 months
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Unlearn the dumb idea that inflicted pain justifies your reaction to it. It doesn't. Ladies elite women make it because we have a level of stoicism that borders on sociopathic apathy, exhibit A: we don't react to triggers we mimosa, sleep, see if it's worth it then logically make decisions. The idea that when someone does you dirty you have the right to react based on emotions so you're angry mad throwing names & hands sending texts talking sheet & other loser girl things is dumb dumb. You're not justified to react. 'They did me wrong' . So? Sit down, watch Netflix, wait for the emotions to pass then use the head God so generously gave you + that pretty face bonus.
When you react to people doing you wrong you give them the permission to bypass their actions & focus on your reaction so if your bf cheats on you & you start screaming sending 1b texts making titktoks he can bypass his cheating & focus on you're immature you're abusive why did you hit me you're mentally unstable you throw things around bla bla & will never face what he did. When we say be non reactive we aren't asking you to be a stone we are asking you to be smart. Do you want to get manipulated? Abused? Sit down get a manicure & go for brunch. Run to your room scream cry anhiliate your pillow but when they're watching its Elsa Lite, froooozen ice queen don't let them in don't let them see, ever.
One tactic m3n use in divorce court is to get the lady so triggered she loses her cool then it's look at her could you live with that? I'm taking my child this is an abusive woman & men don't leave relationships they just trigger you into irrational behavior and use that as an excuse & crying is worse what did we say about public vulnerability? Go cry to your bestie and God in your house out here tears are a sign to bully you. When you're not reactive you throw THEM out of balance and you hold the cards, once you go 'right to my opinion I'm the victim' we'll find you a grave bc that's called social suicideeee.
Two friends. Real life story here, ladies. Ah high-school back in the good old days.
We call them Allie and Sara. High school circles were tight so you're friends with someone you're also friends with their bfs, right? Alice & Sara both got cheated on (by m3n looking like area 9 failed experiment Shrek cosplayers but that's not thepoint). The bfs know that they were discovered. Allie, Allie is that girl. Drama girl. Find him in cafeteria & make a scene girl. How could you cheat on me you suck your pp is short anyway bla bla watch me devalue myself. Allie feels good in the moment, her bf leaves and tell his friends of course i cheated that girl is crazy. Would you date someone like her? So immature. Women are so ovarical I can't handle it. Evening the story is- she was abusive. She hit him & threw words in public imagine in private? He's been protecting her in silence, you know women can be abusive too.
Sara, Sara my love. Sara sits next to her Shrek Lite boy and says hey so that girl you kissed, Jane was it? She's pretty. You have taste. End of story. After lunch her Human experiment failure boy says let's talk she says sure abd listens with 'mhm' and nods. She meant nothing babe she seduced me I'm an adolescent what can I do bla bla. She nods says okay and goes to class. Days goes as usual. Evening we get dinner , Weekend we do research for our papers & talk college. Is she talking to him? Yes. Painfully polite, painfully. No emojis no nothing just shallow dry polite texts. Let's talk about this babe- is left on blue ticks. Monday morning her factory reject lookalike is losing his mind, she's being painfully polite, in a shallow way, so he resorts to triggering. It's because you're like this you are like a man and I'm straight I need a woman bla bla. She says OK then turns to the next person & did you hear about the trip to the beach? Of course I'm going. Boy realizes that's not working & resorts to Allie behavior- throw a tantrum in public make yourself the victim why won't you give me the pleasure of being the one to push you to your edge? Sara says babe pull yourself together you're embarrassing your family. Do you need your anxiety meds? My therapist is good she can treat hysteria are you okay? No this isn't like you, this is hysteria babe do you need psychological help? No this isn't normal , hey do you guys think it's normal to do this? I'm calling your mom babe we are getting you a mental check hold up-
Heres a little secret. In private? In our dorms? Sara was BAWLING her eyes out. Chocolates & Styrofoam cups. We are talking 3am on the bathroom floor. In public?
Guess who won.
Unlearn the idea that you're entitled to reacting to others actions to you, you're not. Learn to hold your tongue and tears and smile and Elsa don't let then in don't let them see then call mom and spend the rest of the week in her arms crying. The amount of women I've seen triggered out of their jobs, marriages, houses, parenting &c when they were 10000% the victim from lack of emotional intelligence is unforgivable.
Dont, be dumb. Don't let yourself think you have the freedom of expression, you don't. Not in the way you want to. Go write a poem but remember everything you say can and will, in fact, be used against you.
Non reaction is the highest level of power in existence. Mind over body. Logic over emotion.
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writingwithcolor · 4 months
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Am I handling the black woman character’s murder well?
@selfdxd2 asked:
Hello! My current project is a crime fiction set in KY, USA in which the instigating action is the death of a young black woman (W), with the first half being another young woman (L) investigating her disappearance and how it correlates with the disappearance of her close friend. That friend (P) is later found alive after having been kidnapped because he witnessed the crime, and is the POV character of the second half. He is also a white man, and him being white is relevant to other aspects of the story. My intention is for the "credit" for solving W's death to go almost entirely to L (who is also a woman of color, specifically Romani), and for the tragedy to be centered around the unfair loss of life and the pain of her parents and others who knew W rather than how bad P feels about it. My main cast also has two other prominent black women with arcs that extend outside this tragedy. All of this is intended to lend to one of the story's major themes of social invisibility vs visibility. So does this exploration of that stray into harmful territory from the outset? I know successfully keeping away from any white manpain traps will take active caution while actually writing the story and I intend to get sensitivity readers as I work on it, but I wanted to get some feedback on my starting point before going too far down that road. Thanks so much for all you do!
It is important for us to know why this young Black woman was murdered to give specific advice. 
Was it racially motivated, gender motivated, or both? 
Wrong place, wrong time? 
Did someone take revenge?
Was she involved in something insidious? 
Was it truly an accident?
Depending on the reason, you should explore and acknowledge this violence and the existing societal problem behind it. For help, see the crime stats on violence against Black women.
…and for the tragedy to be centered around the unfair loss of life and the pain of her parents and others who knew W rather than how bad P feels about it.
Yes, give a voice to the people most affected by her death. Other Black women, people, and Women of Color. This will help further not make it about the feelings of a white man. He is absolutely a victim of the crime too, being kidnapped, so his trauma does matter and should be tended to. But ultimately, he gets to live.
On that note, his life being worth kidnapping vs. ending begs the question; why wasn’t he murdered while the Black woman’s life had to end? And for representation purposes, why couldn’t it be the other way around (Where the Black woman lives and witnesses the crime, and the white man dies)?
This is why knowing your reasoning for her death is so important. 
Otherwise, if she was thoughtlessly murdered, it does feel like her life was incredibly devalued in your story due to her being a Black woman. It’s a serious and true problem, so I'm not saying not to write this. This just needs careful exploring. If you’re choosing to bring this real life problem into your story, it deserves full and respectful acknowledgement. 
Please check out our resources on writing tragic material, Black suffering and abuse and avoiding exploitation. 
More reading: tragedy exploitation tag
~Mod Colette
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radfemverity · 10 months
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Tucker Carlson's interview with misogynist, human trafficker and rapist Andrew Tate has been endorsed by Elon Musk, the man who brought Tate among many other reactionary and far-right commentators back to Twitter when he purchased the platform.
There is nothing spontaneous about Musk doing this, and if you're surprised then you're a fool. This has never been about upholding free speech - hence why you've never seen any of these men promote interesting left-wing thinkers.
The ‘SJW’/‘woke’/progressive Left, as unbearably annoying as so many of them are, just keep getting proven right.
They said Nick Fuentes and Kanye were Holocaust-denying anti-semites.
They said Jordan Peterson supported rapists, and didn't believe women should have legal equality.
They said Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh would use the gender critical movement to blame gay people and women for any and all degeneracies.
They said Tucker Carlson and Elon Musk's recent ‘free speech’ moves were about repositioning themselves so that they could more effectively elevate the voices of overt extremists.
Again and again, their accusations are ageing like fine wine. The reactionary right’s mask is well and fully off.
Andrew Tate, Elon Musk, Tucker Carlson, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh, Joe Rogan, Konstantin Kissin, Paul Joseph Watson, Ian Miles Cheong, Andy Ngo, Michael Malice, Elijah Schaffer, Zuby, Milo Yionnopoulous, Tommy Robinson, Nick Fuentes, Kanye West, Donald Trump… obviously some of these men could dislike each other, I can't imagine Shapiro and Fuentes at the same house party.
But their ideal societies don't look too different. None of these mens’ do. Because any racial, religious or ethnic prejudices they have against each other will come second to their common-ground.
The organised reaction against this brand of progressivism that has rapidly come to monopolise every sector of public life in the last 10 years, is well and truly underway. Musk, Carlson and Tate have given us the sign. And while I pretty heavily dislike the current ‘woke’ progressive ideology (and have a lot of questions about its top-down cultural spread), I'm scared of these guys way more. And if you're anything but a straight man who doesn’t care about any demographic besides straight men, you should be too.
The reason I say ‘straight men’ and not ‘straight white men’ is because, come on, the reactionary right is more racially diverse than most left-wing groups at this point. 😂😂 White nationalists the world over have bent the knee to a mixed-race man who admitted moving to an Eastern European country because of their more lax laws on sexual assault, and in turn, the ease he would have in exploiting the local women in the country’s already active sex-trafficking trade.
White nationalists (whose role in the reactionary right cannot be discarded any more, after Trump and Kanye had a personal dinner with Nick Fuentes) feel more of an affiliation with a non-white, human trafficking violent rapist, despite evidence of his crimes having been public for a while now, than they do with his WHITE victims.
Jordan Peterson, whose daughter has revolved her entire public image around him, who works with and for him, and whose lingerie photographs were retweeted by him, made a dogwhistle in May about women having their right to vote retracted.
Examples of men devaluing the contributions and rights of the women in their families, communities and wider societies are withstanding the test of time, over and over again, because no matter where in the world they are, and no matter what tensions the different religions, cultures, ethnicities and races of men have with each other, there are traits that unite them all. Misogyny is the most obvious one.
The men of these diverse, far-reaching societies, in many ways feel far more of a kinship to each other, than they do to any woman, girl, gay person, disabled person, mother, child, or any other demographic.
The pendulum always swings back, and now that we know these men have got the owner of the world's biggest social media platform on their side, that is a major sign it could be coming soon. Be on guard and look after each other gyns ❤️
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dawningfairytale · 6 months
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dude there’s something so tragic and poetic about grace saying “this is where you grow up and accept your fate” to richie, max’s first victim, who never got a chance to grow up or escape his role. and max being the only person to value ruth’s acting abilities as the skele’on before devaluing her performance in the auditorium and killing her
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artemisia-black · 3 months
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Do you think Walburga and Orion physically tortured Sirius or reg when they're being rebellious?
No I quite emphatically don't (will discuss below the cut with a TRIGGER WARNING: DISCUSSIONS OF ABUSE).
1.0 Emotional abuse is devasting
There was clearly emotional abuse and neglect, the gravity of which can often be lost in depictions of gratuitous physical violence. In some fandom spaces, there appears to be a perceived hierarchy of abuse, wherein emotional maltreatment is often regarded as less severe or less compelling to portray. In the case of the Blacks, there was undeniable emotional abuse and neglect. The significance of this type of abuse can frequently be overshadowed in narratives that focus more on explicit physical violence, potentially diminishing the recognition of the profound impact emotional trauma can have.
Walburga's portrait denounces Sirius as the "Shame of her flesh," and Kreacher incessantly proclaims that he is unworthy to "wipe slime from Walburga's boots." Furthermore, the indifference displayed towards permitting a penniless, underage child to leave the home is striking. These instances provide indisputable evidence of emotional neglect and abuse. Additionally, Sirius's almost tentative proposition to Harry regarding living together, coupled with his near disbelief upon receiving an affirmative response, indicates his struggle to believe that he is indeed loved. This vulnerability, evident in his shyness and the slight fumbling of his words, contrasts sharply with his overtly murderous demeanour in the preceding scene.
In my WiP Pietas, I explore how constant criticism makes Sirius feel profoundly lonely, yet he never calls it abuse. This aspect of the narrative underscores the significant internal gaslighting that often accompanies emotional abuse. Victims may internalise the constant belittlement and devaluation to the extent that they question their own feelings and perceptions, doubting the validity of their experiences.
At his words, a sense of kinship stirred in Sirius’s heart and an odd sensation began to build in his stomach. Thoughts of confessing his frustrations and his inner turmoil rose to the surface, like drowning men clamouring for desperate gasps of air. But before he could form a sentence, Leone carried on speaking.
‘But while you are a guest in my house, I ask that as a gentleman, you prioritise my sister’s honour above all else. She is very dear to me, and I do not wish to force her into a marriage.’
He had halted once more, looking over at the girl still seated on the bench with an undisguised fondness that made Sirius ache with a profound sense of loneliness. He could not remember the last time any member of his immediate family had looked at him with anything but anger or dissatisfaction and to his embarrassment, his eyes began to sting.
2.0 The Cruciatus tus as a disciplinary tool is like swatting a fly with a nuke
In canon, the Cruciatus curse comes with a life sentence in Azkaban and is an actual means of torture (not the equivalent of a punch- which is bad enough).
"He had been hit again by the Cruciatus Curse. The pain was so intense, so all-consuming, that he no longer knew where he was. ... White-hot knives were piercing every inch of his skin, his head was surely going to burst with pain, he was screaming more loudly than he’d ever screamed in his life — And then it stopped." GoF
“Pain,” said Moody softly. “You don’t need thumbscrews or knives to torture someone if you can perform the Cruciatus Curse. GoF
It seems highly unlikely that this curse, notorious for leaving the Longbottoms in need of long-term care, would be employed for disciplinary purposes. Moreover, given the Blacks' self-perception of near-royalty, it seems implausible that they would willingly subject their offspring to such torment, risking permanent harm to their lineage.
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brazenautomaton · 9 months
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so disappointing, but not unexpected, that the Barbie movie is about how men are bad (as I understand the plot, which seems pretty clear to me, about Ken importing patriarchy to Barbieland)
same for the fact that people are praising it for saying that men are bad. disappointing, not surprising.
because first off, your patriarchy theory is wrong, the world does not work like that, when you write characters in accordance with patriarchy theory their actions immediately stop making sense
Second off and more importantly, if your movie about Barbie is about how Ken tries to bring the patriarchy to Barbieland and Barbie has to defeat it, your movie is not about Barbie. Your movie is about the patriarchy, which Barbie is not about. Barbie’s nemesis is not the patriarchy. Barbie is not defined by her opposition to something and she is not defined by how she breaks through barriers placed on her because Barbie doesn’t have any barriers. Barbie does what Barbie does and accomplishes what she accomplishes, and the idea that something could even be trying to hold her back never comes up because it’s inconceivable. You were correct in identifying Barbieland doesn’t have your conception of patriarchy and forgot that it meant that your concept of patriarchy cannot coexist with Barbie without massively devaluing her by just making her suck. 
Barbie isn’t someone who had to fight through the patriarchy to be seen as good enough to be an astronaut even though she’s a woman. Barbie’s a fucking astronaut because she’s fucking Barbie of course she’s good enough to be an astronaut. She’s defined by her own accomplishments. The Kens can’t decide to all just subjugate them because that doesn’t make any fucking sense. Are these Barbies, these astronauts and pet doctors and Senators, just so weak and frail and victimized that all it takes to subjugate them is a man deciding to subjugate them? Where’s their fucking girl power? Does girl power only exist until a man, any man, decides to oppose it?
Once again, nobody thinks less of women than feminists.
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queen0fm0nsterz · 1 month
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I agree with you. Otto was the one who pushed Noone into the Ferryman’s hands. The ferryman is an opportunist. What gets me about Otto is how human his character is. You can see where his action comes from, his motivation is not inherently evil. But his methods and the lengths he goes to are.
I can’t even say Noone “chose” the Nowhwre because, she never did, she was pushed into it, by the person who was supposed to act as her last line of defense and support.
We can feel sorry for the Counsellor, understand his motivations and acknowledge how he himself became a perpetuator not that different than the residents seen in the Nowhere.
⬆️ THIS!
I relate to understanding the humanity in some of the LN antagonists - the main ones in particular, as they all are the most tragically human - but understanding a character and their motivations =/= justifying them or their methods!
There needs to be a divide, especially when tackling villains/morally grey characters. I like Otto's writing, he's brilliant, but it really irks me how some of his fans will go some crazy lengths to justify him. I've seen the same thing happen to Thin Man, falling back on Six - and in this case Noone, who were the victims in this situation.
You can like a character who's traumatized and also an asshole. One thing doesn't devalue the other. You don't need to justify them or villanize someone else in order to justify your enjoyment of them.
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saltypiss · 2 months
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Israel and their defenders are devaluing the Holocaust by several hundredths of measures and the fact most jews aren't up in arms against Israel committing a genocide goes to show the weakest most inhumane aspect of our humanity:
It's Always and Only selfishness.
Jews don't care about the holocaust. They don't care about the survivors or the contexts and nuances. All they saw, was "they" were being genocided. Not that Genocide was bad.
Incredible that israel and many jews would want to devalue their cultural importance by showing, if anything was learned from the holocaust, it's that it was bad it happened to jews. But those same jews don't give a shiiiiiit about all the other groups involved in the holocaust, only themselves.
I've never paid much mind to anti-jew rhetoric, nor am I about to. What my opinion is based on, is what I've seen by the jewish community. And from what I'm seeing, they aren't anything more or less special than any other group of people. Clearly, even being involved in the holocaust won't make a damn bit of difference, when generations have passed and the next generation was only taught self-pity and self-defense, all you're left with is genuine full grown adults using playground arguments, again, to justify a genocide.
To end off. I don't dislike or hate jews. I respected them. But now? I think Far Less than ever before. It's like being born rich but still being shitty. Ya'll had the experience, the knowledge, the humanity, and threw it the fuck away the second it became convenient. At least white people were always shitty. Ya'll were victims, now perpetuating more victims, but to ya'll, they ain't victims, they're Hamas.
Congrats on the absolute failure on your moral compass, humanity, critical thinking, and rationality. Please. Tell on yourselves more trying to convince the unconvincible anti-genocider into being pro-mass murder. Please, keep telling on yourselves, because Obviously Ya'lls Image is and Has Always Been A Fat Lie. Otherwise, ya'll would try to retain it, instead of beating down people, even your own people, trying to reach your most base form of sympathy for another human being.
Awful. Awful group of people. Worse than most, but only because they had The Start to being better humans than most. They decided against that, to play victim for the rest of their lives. It wasn't conspiracy theories about jewish lasers, or jokes about banks and noses, it was always, Always, self-victimization that Everyone agreed was okay. They're Very Clearly not an oppressed group even in the smallest of percentiles. Otherwise, this post couldn't have formed. It takes information, video, personal opinion, abundant anecdotes, pictures, stories, to form any of my opinions. Not 4chan, not whatever republican space. Purely Jew's actions.
Much like a retard abusing someone, people will defend the retard because it's socially acceptable and easier than dealing with a complex nuanced situation. If ya don't got a clue, ya don't get involved, let adults handle complex situations, not self-victimisers and their enablers.
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