#legacy of the fire nation

[kibutsulove]

I feel as though we as a community gloss over that one young Azulon image way to much for it to be healthy

why are we ignoring this… why are we ignoring him… ?? why aren’t we sitting down and talking about it??

#sulove speaks #atla #azulon #avatar the last airbender #legacy of the fire nation #legiterally I’d forgive him #.for all her actions #this isn’t healthy for us… #we need to have a discussion about this #what the hell

[hellixo-dev]

zutarians: aang is a predator who is creepy to katara

kataangaang: zuko is an abusive colonizer

me: aang said zuko's heart burns brighter than any flame they can bend. zuko knew aang better than anyone. zuko and aang built a city together...

anyways uh......REPUBLIC CITY RAHHH!!!

#zukaang #not anti the other ships it's just rlly funny #REPUBLIC CITY RAHHHH #legacy of the fire nation #real shit #atla #atla thoughts #atla fandom problems

[wingsfreedom]

For some reason I just realized/noted another thing from Legacy of the Fire Nation book: the way Iroh speaks about Ozai in relation to both fire siblings. When he revealed that sometimes he sees Ozai in Zuko, he says so in a regrettable tone, about what could've been better and wished that was. Meanwhile, when he connected Ozai (and himself) to Azula, he only associated her to the traits he believed to be problematic and should be held accountable.

Furthermore, what he claimed to see in Zuko is surely his own view and opinion BUT what he sees in Azula is what he assumes how Ozai views her too. Iroh doesn't think that Ozai might liked Azula better because of her talent and intelligence but because of the "fury" or whatever that was.

He doesn't see or acknowledge the positive things about Azula and only assumed Ozai liked her better because she mirrors the worst part of himself.

P.S. the first full page here.

#azula #atla #legacy of the fire nation #this post has been edited

[sokkastyles]

As a whole, I don’t find “Legacy of the Fire Nation” to be particularly well-written, insightful, or in character, but I take my tidbits where I can. Moreover, I do have to comment on this because of the frequency that I’ve seen these particular quotes used as proof that Iroh hates, abuses, or neglects Azula, that he doesn’t see Azula as an abuse victim because he’s projecting Ozai onto her, or even that HE was the Azula in his relationship with Ozai, and didn’t see Ozai as being abused because of it, and that’s why he lacks sympathy for Azula.

And that just seems both wildly out of character and a willful misreading of what is actually being said here.

Here, Iroh shows a very strong awareness of the abuse that has run in his family, and where it comes from. Far from seeing Ozai’s behavior as isolated, he refers to it going back to Azulon and Sozin and also how Fire Nation militarism enabled that culture of violence and toxicitiy. This shows that he is aware that Azulon showed unfair favoritism. He talks of how as a young man, he excelled in the role of being Azulon’s prodigy and thought that it was his destiny to take the throne. He talks of initially seeing Ozai’s jealousy as merely that of a sibling rivalry, but realizing that it was something more as Ozai grew into the abusive person he was, shaped by both his own personal ambition and the same toxic culture that Iroh himself had to come to realize was wrong.

He also talks about how there are times where he thinks he could have done something more to help Ozai, which is a pretty natural reaction, and tragic. The way he talks about his growing awareness of what Ozai was, it makes it clear that this was a situation that escalated beyond his control, and his guilt over it sounds similar to the accounts of many people who live with abusers, especially those who they are very close to.

Which is one reason why I find it VERY hard to believe that he would just write off Azula or ignore her, but it also shows his awareness that sometimes you do have to make the choice to cut ties with an abusive person, no matter how painful that is, because he’s been there before. He’s had to make his own peace with the fact that his own father was a monster, even when he benefitted from Azulon’s favoritism. Which is something that Azula has yet to do because she can’t let go of that favoritism.

Iroh doesn’t blame Azula here, though. Even when he discusses Azula, he blames Ozai for not stopping it, Ozai for continuing the legacy of favoritism and toxicity. He compares his relationship with Ozai to Zuko’s and Azula’s not to say that Azula is irredeemable, but in a way that makes it clear that this is something painful for him, that he wishes things could be different. He doesn’t think that either Ozai or Azula were born evil, but he’s not going to make excuses for them, either.

I’ve seen some people point to this and say that just pointing out Ozai’s favoritism of Azula is ignoring that Azula was abused too or blaming her or not giving her credit that she deserves, which is both nonsense and comes across as trying to silence discussion of how Zuko was abused because “Azula was abused, too” or something, which isn’t a logical or ethical stance to take. We should be allowed to talk about how Ozai’s favoritism of Azula was unfair and abuse, because it was. We should be allowed to talk about how it harmed Zuko, because it did. It also harmed Azula, but neither this book, Iroh as a character, nor I am claiming that it didn’t, and talking about how Zuko was harmed does not mean Azula wasn’t, and the only reason that I can see that someone would interpret things that way is if you deny the role Azula herself played in Zuko’s abuse. I also feel like some people who talk about this want to talk about Azula as a victim of abuse but still want her to be the favored child, and you can’t have both. You can’t pretend that Azula deserved to be favored and act like you understand how Ozai’s abuse created that dynamic in the first place. That would be like Iroh saying he still wanted to be Fire Lord after talking about how his family’s toxicity is what put him on that track in the first place. It’s why Iroh refuses the mantle of Fire Lord at the end of the series and also why he doesn’t have any rose-colored glasses when it comes to Azula.

#iroh #azula #zuko #ozai #azulon #sozin #abuse cw #legacy of the fire nation

[queer-apocalypse]

This line from LotFN kills me because what the fuck do you have to do be known as the "scourge of the Fire Nation", which is already notoriously pretty ruthless and hostile by default? Invent super-colonialism? Kick a puppy down a flight of stairs on your first day?

#legacy of the fire nation #atla #iroh #i know it's probably just a hyperbole but its much funnier if you read it as #yeah in retrospect it's good i didn't get the throne back then bc i would've been like #a nightmare :) #simply the fieriest of lords im afraid #anyway

[bahlilnerd]

also before I forget again, can someone tell me why certain parts of the atla fandom act like iroh was never a war general?? like it's perfectly okay to love his character (like muah) but why so many people just forgetting or ignoring that part of his history, I see so many metas talking about "iroh a saint" bitch did we watch the same show?!

#iroh #uncle iroh #avatar the last airbender #legacy of the fire nation #he literally started a 600 siege and was in for the thorne so if you weren't aware of that you missed the show☠️ #there's so many “anti iroh” tags but y'all missed his character too

[justanotherthrowaway1950]

Why Iroh is not a Good Judge of Azula's Redeemability

One of the fiercest debates in Avatar fandom is whether or not to take Iroh’s words and actions towards Azula as proof of Azula irredeemability. 

For those who think that Azula is irredeemable point to stuff like, “She’s crazy and needs to go down,” or the fact that there was never any indication that he ever tried to reason with her, even when he tried reasoning with war criminals (the Rough Rhinos), someone who was literally going destroy a fundamental aspect of reality (Zhao), and someone who was attempting to rob him at knifepoint (Tycho), as proof that he knew that Azula was fundamentally broken, or that, after he returned from his wandering to the palace, he realized that Azula was too firmly indoctrinated for him, or anyone other than Azula herself, to save.

Meanwhile, those who think that Azula is redeemable point out that Iroh said, She’s crazy and needs to go down,” only after she had repeatedly tried to hunt him and Zuko down so she could bring them back to the Fire Nation for their treason, had attempted to kill Zuko with lightning, and had almost killed him with blue fire. Not to mention, Iroh had to dissuade Zuko from trying to show Azula compassion because, as long as she and Ozai where in power, there was no way they could convince her to change her path, and so to show her compassion, or attempt to reason with her, would end with him, Zuko, or the both of them dead or in chains.

And in regards to the comics, where he never visits her in the asylum to try and steer her down a better path now that she lost everything, including her power, and thus would be receptive to his teachings? Well, if Iroh was willing to retire to Ba Sing Se and leave the arduous task of reforming the Fire Nation after a hundred years of war and propaganda to his unprepared nephew, who he sees as a surrogate son, why would Iroh be inclined to try and help steer Azula down a better path? 

Especially when, as far as he knows, Azula is getting top-notch medical treatment for her mental illness(es)?

Not to mention, when Zuko was facing push back to take Azula on the search for Ursa, Iroh voiced his support for taking her, pointing out that it might help Azula find inner peace.

And besides, regardless of the above points, those who think Azula is redeemable point out that it would be highly hypocritical for Iroh deny the possibility of Azula reforming when it took Iroh suffering one of the harsh losses imaginable, the lost of a child, in combination with the White Lotus, who are made up of people victimized by Iroh’s actions, or inaction, as Crown Prince and as a general of the Fire Nation, for him to reform and redeem himself well into middle age.

Well, in my opinion, this debate is a moot one because the foundational assumption for both sides, that Iroh actually cared for Azula, at least at some point, is not actually true.

For the Legacy of the Fire Nation, which in-universe is a scrapbook Iroh wrote to share memories and mementos with Zuko, reveals that Iroh never gave up on Azula because he never gave her a chance in the first place, first, due to seeing her as an obstacle to Zuko getting Ozai's favor, and then, after his own redemption arc, an obstacle to Zuko becoming the savior of the Fire Nation that Iroh knew he could become.

In fact, he shows more sympathy and regret in regards to Ozai despite Ozai having decades to change his path as well as being Zuko, Ursa, and Azula's primary abuser.

And Iroh continues to have such negative views about Azula despite the fact that he begrudgingly admits that it took him decades to change his ways, that he only changed after his own son died despite killing countless Fire Nation and Earth Kingdom sons through his warmongering, and that he engaged in imperialism for the same reasons that Azula did: to make his father proud and because he thought it was his destiny.

And to make things worse, the TTRPG, which was created in collaboration with Avatar Studios, reveals that Iroh learned lightning redirection before Lu Ten’s death. So even if Azula was under Ozai's thrall, he could have stopped her abuse, as well as Zuko's in addition to ending the war sooner, by challenging Ozai to Agni Kai after returning from his wandering and killing him by baiting Ozai into shooting lightning and then redirecting it.

“But what about Iroh voicing support for Azula to go on the search for Ursa? That at least proves that Iroh has some care for Azula, right?”

Iroh’s support for Azula going on the search for Ursa could easily be explained by Iroh not wanting to go against the wishes of his beloved nephew, especially since he knows that Azula is the only one with relevant information in regards to Ursa’s location due to Azula burning all the letters in Ozai’s secret trunk save for the “Zuko is a bastard” letter, as well as him knowing that him vocalizing his true thoughts on Azula would make him look unwise and/or cause friction to arise between him and Zuko.

And besides, it is not like Iroh has ever lied to Zuko or others about his true opinions and allegiances before, especially when he, rightfully or wrongfully, thinks it is in everyone’s best interests for him to hide them, right?

“Why do you think that Iroh had a responsibility to challenge Ozai to an Agni Kai and kill him? For don’t you remember that Iroh said, in regards to Zuko asking him to fight Ozai during Sozin’s Comet, that he would not fight Ozai for the throne since history would just see it as two brothers trying to kill each other for power, and so it had to be the Avatar who defeated Ozai?"

My response to that argument is the famous phrase, “The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing.”

If Iroh already had his heel-face turn and realized that the war was immoral, wouldn’t the morally righteous thing for him to do is end the war as soon as possible? Especially since he was the person best equipped to stop it considering, unlike the audience, no one in-universe knows when, if ever, the Avatar would return?

Besides, why should we care for Iroh’s opinion in regards to the ramifications of him fighting Ozai for the throne when he, after telling Zuko that he could not fight his own brother to death since history would view it negatively, in the same breath told Zuko to essentially fight his own sister to death for the throne?

So to conclude, why should people care about Iroh's opinion about Azula's (ir)redeemability? Especially when, if people applied his standards to him and Zuko, neither of them would have been able to redeem themselves?

#azula #iroh #zuko #ozai #atla #atla comics #the search #legacy of the fire nation #avatar legends rpg #iroh meta #iroh critical #iroh is not a flawless saint #justanotherthrowaway1950meta

[peony-pearl]

So apparently according to Legacy of the Fire Nation, Iroh says ‘my nose didn’t always look like this’ so I suppose I now have a headcanon that, out in battle in his younger years, Iroh got his nose broken pretty badly and that’s why he snores so loud

#atla #atla meta #Iroh #Legacy of the Fire Nation

[burquillos]

Deku and Dynamight call that D&D!!

Pro Heroes taking a pic for a magazine article or something

#dkbk #bkdk #midoriya izuku #bakugou katsuki #bnha #mha #loosely inspired by that one hand holding pic of Aang and Zuko in Legacy of the Fire Nation #because same vibe to me

[trashfactorysstuff]

Azulon. That’s it. That is the post.

+ Bonus

#i just start reading the legacy of the fire nation and oh boi that one young Azulon #still dosent take out his shitty parenting tho #also thinking on his general times #I don’t think there’s is any of fanart of it or in general Azulon fanart #rise artists rise #azulon

[cienie-isengardu]

Zuko's letter to Iroh, from: Avatar The Last Airbender - Legacy of the Fire Nation

#avatar: the last airbender #atla #zuko #fire lord zuko #azula #uncle iroh #zuko and azula #considering how little iroh gave us in regard to azula in the Legacy of the Fire Nation #zuko's memories of Ember Island and the summers with azula #and how this place brought them back refering to the beach episode #and how he compared it to his time with gaang #yeah it hits much harder

[bendingmuses]

@fiheir sent: “you okay?” for izumi

Izumi took a deep breath at the question and slowly released it. Her head resting on her arms that were folded over the tops of her knees as she stared out at all the buildings in the distance. The teenager had a lot on her mind, but she shouldn't have been surprised that her father had found her so easily. He always seemed to know when something was off. "Yeah. I was just thinking. Being above everything seems to help me clear my head..."

#fire nation legacy: izumi #izumi verse: princess years #fiheir

[wingsfreedom]

In Legacy of the Fire Nation book:

Iroh condemns Ozai for "lauding" Azula like he didn't spend the entirety of book lauding the shit out of Zuko, calling Sokka a fool in comparison to him who needed Zuko to stay grounded and claimed that the Fire Nation needs him but doesn't deserve him. Like that is more expensive than anything Ozai supposedly praised Azula with other than her firebending.

And that's just two examples.

#legacy of the fire nation #iroh critical

[sokkastyles]

I had saved this from Legacy of the Fire Nation because I wanted to look up taijitu, and just as Iroh says here, it’s a symbol of yin and yang, representing balance.

Wikipedia also has this to say:

Ming period author Lai Zhide (1525–1604) simplified the taijitu to a design of two interlocking spirals. In the Ming era, the combination of the two interlocking spirals of the taijitu with two black-and-white dots superimposed on them became identified with the He tu or "Yellow River diagram" (河圖). This version was reported in Western literature of the late 19th century as the "Great Monad", and has been widely popularised in Western popular culture as the "yin-yang symbol" since the 1960s. The contemporary Chinese term for the modern symbol is 太极兩儀图 "two-part Taiji diagram".

When Zuko and Aang face Ren and Shaw in “The Firebending Masters” they are restoring balance through their relationship with each other and their willingness to face the judgement of the dragons and find balance within themselves.

Zuko’s fever dream in “The Earth King” is about him struggling with spiritual imbalance after freeing Appa, the two dragons representing the two warring sides of himself rather than balanced in harmony.

#legacy of the fire nation #yin yang symbolism #ren and shaw #the firebending masters #the earth king #iroh #zuko #aang

[queer-apocalypse]

There's this illustration in LotFN of a portrait of young Iroh and Ozai that makes me feel shrimp feelings

#atla #iroh #ozai #legacy of the fire nation #irozai

[sillyfudgemonkeys]

Meeting of Team Avatars

Krew (Korra), Gaang (Aang), Kompany (Kyoshi), Yircle (Yangchen), and Krowd (Kuruk).

Yangchen: *looking at Krew, Gaang, Kompany* Oh my god.... My prayers didn't work. Kyoshi: What? Yangchen: Especially you. You're the worst offender! Kyoshi: What???? Yangchen: Don't worry about it.

Krew: Omg it's the Gaang! Oh you guys are LEGENDARY! Gaang: This is amazing! So everything has been going well since we left you in charge? Krew: Wouldn't say "well" but we're doing what we can.... Gaang: I get it, totally! Yircle: So theses are the famous "team Avatars?" Should we even be called one? We're more like a spy group. Kompany: That. Is. So. COOL! W-we also do jobs too! Breaking and entering and other sabotage! Gaang: And who are you guys? Kompany: We're the Flying Opera Company (plus old people allies). We're Kyoshi's team. Krew: No WAY! I always thought Kyoshi would just have a mini army of Kyoshi Warriors! Kompany: A what of what now? Krowd: Haha! So you're who takes over after us? Well nice to meet you-wait why does your firebender have Hei-Ran's face. Rangi: God....DAMN it..... Krowd: What was that? Rangi/Kompany: I said stay THE FUCK away from us. Krowd: ????? O_O Huh?

Kyoshi: This is going to be a disaster.

#roku tbd #rise of kyoshi #avatar the last airbender #atla #shadow of kyoshi #legend of korra #dawn of yangchen #legacy of yangchen #chronicles of the avatar #there's BEEF in the krowd vs kompany #i like the name i chose for Kyoshi/Kompany ok???? #Yangchen circle/yircle makes me giggle tho #god damn you kuruk/korra bothing having k's and a crew TT0TT #yangchen prayed for the teams to not be fucked up and walking disasters #instead she cursed kyoshi to have TWO groups who were walking FLAMING disasters TT0TT #Flying opera company (1st) and Fire Nation “Stop the Civil War” team (2) TT0TT #Gaang is just children #and korra is rizzing her whole squad