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elvencantation · 2 years
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oh i forgot how much i love tortallan terms for queer ppl- bardash for mlm and honeylove for wlw
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Do any of you have ideas about what type of ambient magic Tamora pierce's other characters would have an obvious one I think would be Lalasa from POTS having thread magic?
Molly here, since I have the most familiarity with the Tortall books.
Lalasa would absolutely have thread magic! (And if anyone wants to write a Tortall/Emelan crossover fic where Sandry and Lalasa hang out, I want to read it!!) Here are the others I can think of
Kourrem (I think. It might be Alanna's other student) would also have thread magic. She sort of already does. (Incidentally, Tammy also has a short story in which a type of thread magic makes an appearance. I love how frequently she uses this motif, since it's not particularly common in other fiction.)
I like to think Raoul might also have thread magic, after he and Kel have their little sewing race
Alanna and Neal would obviously be healers (they already are)
I think Coram teaches Alanna and her fellow pages to make their own training swords? (someone does) so he could be a smith-mage
There's also someone in Song of the Lioness who is mentioned is good with fire. I think it was Duke Baird. Do he could have some type of fire-crafting (This is what we determined Goodwin's ambient magic would be, since he has an interest in metal-crafting, but is also an excellent cook.)
Tunstall could have plant magic, since he grows tiny roses
Mistress Knoll is a good enough cook to be a cook mage (I guess it's a shame she wasn't born in Emelan.)
and Rosto plays the flute, so he could have some type of music-magic
That's all I can think of, though I would be very interested to see what the Emelan analog of Beka's gift is. I haven't read Trickster in a long enough time (or Immortals at all) to speak for anyone in those series, so I'd love to see people add to this list!
Thanks for the question!
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isnt-it-pretty · 5 months
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I would die for her
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You tell them Flory! Sex work is real work and just as fucking valid as everything else. More valid than people sitting around making money just for existing!
Flory is honestly my favourite character in this whole book.
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The Provost's Dog series is amazing in how Tamora Pierce calmly and nonchalantly addresses sexuality, relationships, gender, and gender roles.
In the very first few chapters we have Rosto, Kora and Aniki together in some sort of a poly/open/threesome relationship. It's never actually stated directly what their relationship is, if it's romantic, open, sexual but not romantic, queer platonic, if Kora and Aniki are together, ect. But real life relationships are not black and white. And very few people advertise the exact details, and good friends don't really ask or make a big deal about it. Which is exactly what happens in Terrier. And it's a very healthy relationship. Kora decides to date Erksen instead, and Rosto and Aniki are completely fine with it. There is no resentment, fighting or jealousy. As Kora says, she is her own woman. I have never seen such a drama-free relationship in a young adults book before. It really shows a young reader that relationships can be simple and you can still be friends if it doesn't work out.
And then the sneaky descriptions of "spintry." Another term for a male prostitute. There is no judgement for a spintry, no one finds it strange and both female and male prostitutes are treated exactly the same, as just a job, as any other in the Rouge's Court. It was such a simple and refreshing take in a children's book, and it's done so well with no judgement or any acknowledgment that it's not normal.
That feeling of normality is an ongoing theme in the Provost's Dog books. There are a lot of shocking and liberal topics in the books, but they are treated as normal, everyday things, so it takes away any shock value and makes the reader simply accept it. Considering most readers are teens, that's a pretty great thing.
Take Okha/Amber. A transwomen/gender queer person who is in a long-term relationship with a man, a police captain. It's described as a normal thing. Beka is a bit confused at first, because she has never met a gender queer person before, but accepts the explanation and moves on. Amber's gender is never really fully explained, but thay makes sense. Gender isn't simple. In a fantasy world without modern labels, Amber is just Amber. They are who they are.
Beka has several flings throughout the series, and its treated normally. That is not usually seen in a teen book. The main female character having casual relationships, going into them knowing they won't last? That is super rare, and is how real life works. It's a great break from normal ya relationship drama.
There is some relationship drama in the series, with Beka's fiance, Holborn. He dies before Mastiff starts, and we never met him. But later, it is revealed that she was planning on breaking up with him because he was emotionally abusive towards her. She ends up meeting Farmer and getting over Holborn quickly. She feels guilty for not feeling more guilty over his death, instead feeling relieved that their toxic relationship is over. She loves some of the time they spent toghether though, and she does mourn him. It's a fascinating and nuanced relationship you never see in a ya book. But her and Farmer's relationship is wonderful.
As a young teenager growing up in a conservative, rural, small town, the Provost's Dog books were revolutionary, not that I realized it at the time. The book's description of gender, of relationships was so normal I didn't even realize it could be something debated. I just accepted it as normal. Okha/Amber was the first time I ever learned thay trans/gender questioning people could exist, and I just acted like Beka, accepted it and moved on. When people talked about poly relationships, how strange and unusual it was, l was confused, because Kora, Aniki and Rosto were normal to me. Learning prostitutes were discriminated against was shocking. Complicated relationships were normal.
I remember once in highschool, my teammates were talking about a scenario where your husband cheats on you with another woman, and that woman had a child with him, and they are now homeless. Your husband loves this woman and you. Would you accept the child and the other woman living with you? Or something inane like that.
I said, "Well, yeah, if she's a good person. If my husband loves her, then she's probably a good person, and I would try to fall in love with her too. And raise the child together."
My teammates did not expect that answer. I suppose I should have realized then I wasn't straight lol.
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piesandstars · 1 year
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checkoutmybookshelf · 23 days
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You Have My Attention: Provost's Dog Trilogy First Lines
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Tamora Pierce is one of my favorite authors, she was formative for me in terms of her books, and honestly it's a CRIME she's not more well-known. She should be a tent pole on the order of Brando Sando or SJM. I'm sold on her books without first lines, but just for funsies, let's see how Pierce catches her readers with the Tortall trilogy that made me cry just...so much.
In all those lessons for which I was made to memorize chants and prayers I never used, couldn't our temple have taught one--just one!--lesson on what to do with a boy who is too smart for his own good? I am at my wit's end! My George was taken up for stealing and I had to go to the Jane Street Guard Station.
-- Terrier
I should have know tonight's watch would kiss the mule's bum when Sergeant Ahuda stopped me after baton training. "A private word, Cooper," she told me, and pulled me into a quiet corner of the yard. Her dark eyes were sharp on my face. We'd gotten on well since I'd finished my Puppy year and in my five months' work as a Dog. I couldn't think what I might have done to vex her.
-- Bloodhound
We buried Holborn today. The burying ground has no trees in it, no shade for us Lower City Dogs. Because most of us work in the dark, we want our bodies to lie in the sun. Stones decorate the graves, stones placed there for remembrance. Some graves are piled waist-high with them, signs that the Dogs who lie beneath were loved by family and guards both.
-- Mastiff
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fytortall · 7 months
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Holly is coming out of retirement to bring you a new series: Siri Butchers Tortall
Holly has been listening to the audiobooks while driving, constantly stopping to verbally text Amanda through Siri. As you will see in this series, Siri is not great at translating the names of people and places in Tortall, and hilarity ensues. We hope you enjoy this merging of technology and Tammy.
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fiction-quotes · 8 months
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Have faith that the gods know what they are doing with your life, Pounce said, following me down the stairs.
I don't want the gods meddling with my life, I told him silently as we walked out into the street again. I want to do it myself. Gods are trouble.
You don't have a choice, Pounce said.
I don't like the sound of that. I don't like it at all. I can manage on my own, tell them that! I said, glaring at him. And you never mentioned anything like that before!
I thought it would cheer you up, Pounce said.
I began to trot, not to escape Pounce so much as to get away from what he was hinting at. I've accepted for five year gone that Pounce is magic. Kora was the one who first told me he was a constellation, as close to a god as makes no difference. But he's never spoken of the gods in my life before, and I wish he hadn't. Look at all the folk who have had the gods muck with their lives, folk like Jehane the Warrior, that was burned alive, or Tomore the Righteous, beggared and beheaded, or Badika of the Blazing Axe, who drove off the Carthakis, only to be torn apart in one of their arenas! It never goes well for the god-chosen! Pounce can just tell the gods to leave me be.
  —  Bloodhound (Tamora Pierce)
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ladylingua · 1 year
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elvencantation · 2 years
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beka i love you so much 😂
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onewhoturns · 2 years
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I’m always disappointed in the lack of Tamora Pierce fandom, particularly for Beka. She may be my favorite mc (controversial maybe, acab) and I feel like I never see her talked about at all.
Pierce’s world is incredibly deep while still being approachable, and realistic without feeling like “gritty grimdark.” Also the Provost’s Dog audiobooks are possibly the best in that universe, with some amazing accent work from the narrator.
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I'm just imagining one day that George, Alanna, Jon, Thayet, Numair, Daine, the knights, ect are just hanging out after a council meeting or something, and they all start talking about famous ancestors, cause they are all noble and I'm sure they all have great records. And George is sitting there, listening but quiet, cause he really can't contribute to all these ancient bloodlines and kings and such. Jon feels bad and is like
"George, do you have any interesting family members? I've bet you've got lots of famous thieves." You know, the include him. And George is like.
"Well, there is this one lady, Rebekah Cooper. She was a guradswoman that caught some big kidnappers and such."
And everyone's like, cool cool, how ironic, ect.
Then Jon starts thinking. That name is familiar, but he just can't place it. So later everyone is drunk and having a good time and Jon goes and unearths a book about his family. And there, in the section of his famous ancestor King Gareth III, there is a sungle page about his kidnapping. And one sentence mentioning his rescue by Provost Guardswoman Rebekah Cooper.
Jon goes insane. He goes running back to the little party and is like
"George!!! You won't believe this shit!"
And everyone gathers around and is amazed. That George's many great-grandma saved Jon's many great-grandfather. And there are lots of jokes about how Tortall would be lost without a Cooper there to save it.
But then, as the weeks go by, Jon keeps looking. He finds old Provost reports about a stubborn Puppy named Cooper that nabbed a notorious child kidnapper. About a rookie dog that ended a counterfeit ring practically singlehandedly. Reports left by Lord Gershom of Haryse, praising Rebekah Cooper for her work. Small accounts talking about an odd cat. A scent hound. The amount of people Rebekah Cooper saved. The difference she made.
And he compiles these findings, and spreads them around. Everyone is reading about this young Guardswoman that saved Tortall's people, over and over. Girls are inspired to become guards and knights and Riders. The Lower City is proud of its savior. The commoners are excited about a hero that came from nothing, like them. People start telling stories, making songs. Talling the story of Rebekah Cooper, so she will never be forgotten.
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theroguequeenaniki · 2 years
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Daine/Numair goodbye scene, when Daine’s going to join King Jon in Port Legann to take him maps, the Dominion Jewel, and whatever else, and Numair’s off to fight the Scanran mage in The Realms Of The Gods, gives me a very similar intimate vibe as Rosto telling Beka through metaphor that he had the two men who attacked her outside their lodgings killed & then he kisses her in Bloodhound. Obviously not the exact same vibe. But it gives me the same dopamine hit I guess. Lol.
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markrothkono61 · 1 year
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Highlight of my day: We were doing this crew photoshoot thing for our play and…a dog decided to crash the photoshoot and she was the mostest adorablest sweetest baby in the whooooole world
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seeminglyseph · 2 years
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You can tell I have been in something resembling the woods before because I always put bug repellent in my DND character’s inventory.
Yeah, maybe the DM isn’t thinking about Lime disease, but I am.
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