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merijae · 2 years
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ramiz rafi mirza from rf kuang's Babel
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broresteia · 2 years
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babel doodles
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koiwynn · 5 months
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robin: i want my oven to heat up
ramy: get inside you’ll toast it real warm
ramy: wow i tried to be smooth and i failed
robin: did you just tell me to kill myself?
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Some Babel thoughts and ruminations below, under the cut because spoilers!
(basically: what might have happened if [REDACTED] had been there, at the end?)
I can't help wondering what would have happened if Ramy had survived.
If Letty had hesitated, if Robin had gotten to her sooner, if somehow that bullet missed its mark and the world didn't break in that moment.
What might have happened then?
They still would have been caught and taken to Oxford Castle, Sterling Jones would still have tortured Robin (and would he have known to use Ramy's life as the threat to try to get Robin to talk? Would Robin have broken differently, if it was Ramy he was trying to save?). Griffin still would have rescued them from the cells, and the confrontation with Sterling would still have happened.
Would Ramy being there have made any difference? Would Ramy and Robin together have been able to carry Griffin between them, all of them hidden behind the wúxíng bar's spell? Would they have been able to save Griffin? or would his story still have ended there, in that bloody conclusion to a tale we never get to know?
And assuming they still ended up at Griffin's safehouse, would their next actions have changed? Would that fact that there were three of them now, not just two, that they were a little less bowed by grief, changed what they decided to do?
Robin would be less broken, but he would still have just lost a brother, lost a whole new community that he didn't even have time to really get to know. And Ramy--Ramy would fill the place where Robin's grief for him would have been with rage and betrayal and fire, a conviction that now, at last, something needed to be done. That Griffin was right, and now that Griffin was gone, that the others were gone, they were the only ones left who could do anything.
I think, even if Ramy were there, it was always going to end at Babel.
Ramy does the talking, when they take the tower. He's always been the best of them at public speaking, the most charming. How much difference does that make? Do more decide to stay? or does the fact that these words are coming from a brown man--someone who many of them will never see their equal--negate the effect?
(Ramy might have wanted to keep all the scholars hostage, but perhaps this less completely hopeless version of Robin sides with Victoire this time, and they decide to let those who do not wish to help them go.)
Victoire still shoots Professor Playfair. For Anthony.
Once they're in the strike, the debates over how to handle it are more complicated, with three of them. Victoire is Victoire: she wants to see Babel burn, but she also wants them to survive. All three of them. Ramy is Ramy: relieved to be able to give up the pretense, to drop the act he's had to put on for so many years. They have the power, finally, to make things happen, to make the country listen to them. When he finds out about the resonance rods, he wants to pull as many of them as they can. Victoire persuades him that they have to take it slow, to let the effects be felt, before they do more.
And Robin? Where does Robin fall, if Ramy is still alive by his side, if he is grieving Griffin and the loss of Hermes but is not so irrevocably driven to despair?
When he finds the maintenance log entry for Westminster Bridge, is he grimly delighted at the message it will send? Or does he hesitate, until Ramy persuades him that it is what needs to be done, that "this is how we make them listen, Birdie. This is how we win."
When Letty comes to give the ultimatum, does she find it harder to look them in the eyes, when the man she thought she loved is standing with the others against her, instead of a ghost floating between them?
And in the end, when it comes down to the final decision to destroy the tower--do Ramy and Robin decide to stay, or do they go?
They could decide to go back to Calcutta, where Robin can meet Ramy's parents, and they can try to rebuild Griffin's lost connections, to continue the work of Hermes from afar
But Ramy has never been one to run away. Even on that first night when the Balliol boys tried to intimidate him, he had been ready to fight. Ramy, when faced with this decision, as much as it might scare him, as much as he might wish there were a way that he and Robin could walk away from this--I think Ramy would choose to stay. And Robin--this version of him may be less ready to die, less ready to let it all end, but he still has watched parts of his world crumble in the last few days, and if Ramy is staying, there is no way that Robin will leave him behind.
Do they speak of it, then, that terrifying electricity between them?
Or do they leave it be, unspoken?
If Ramy had lived, it might not have swayed events from their course; from the outside, it might look like nothing had changed at all.
But even if the tower still came down in the end, even if they both stayed--if Ramy had lived, at least Robin's world would not have ended, not that way. At least, at the end, they wouldn't have been alone.
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estravai · 2 years
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DON’T YOU KNOW WHY
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literarybrainrot · 4 months
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Babel, by RF Kuang, is fun cause the first half is sad but also really sweet and hopeful and relatively low stakes and you’re like “aw this is nice, found family, thanks” and then suddenly it’s the most intense most emotionally heart wrenching book you’ve ever read in your life so that’s cool I guess.
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changeofpace · 4 months
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"The Undergrad Cohort"
I finished Babel in about 2 weeks and it's left a gaping hole in my heart I need to patch with fanart.
Uncleaned scanned sketch below.
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chaoticmiserablelover · 5 months
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Two people who understand each other deeply. The power they hold over each other's hearts. the trust between them. That's why I keep reading books. It fascinates me.
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sainzstorms · 5 months
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i will forever cry over how robin lost ramy and griffin after both of them saved him. only for him not to be able to continue life. because the grief was greater than he could bear. the pain was too much for him to think of the life after the strike. after all he did in the spirit of his late brother and dearest friend.
i will forever cry over robin letting victoire go. i simply couldn't find the words to describe the bond that they had. it was meant to be. victoire was the voice of reason between the two and robin just couldn't get through all of it, not without griffin and ramy. she made up her mind and so did he and it was hurtful to witness this two souls make peace with their choices. im going insane over this.
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i-wish-i-were-softer · 8 months
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So my friend recently finished Babel and they said creating homoerotic tension between robin and ramy only to kill them afterwards was a weak move.
What does that even mean? If you wanted to a read a happy queer novel why did you choose Babel? Why are you looking for a fairytale ending in a book that deals with heavy topics like colonialism, racism, sexism, poverty, slavery, war and whatnot. Death was always upon them. Being gay doesn't magically give characters plot armour. War doesn't care about anyone's sexuality.
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kindlespark · 2 months
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[babel] spent way too long inking ice-skates for this. i miss them
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gheenue · 3 months
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some ramys
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teartra · 1 year
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Many layers of Birdie
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cikebabbler · 2 months
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wondering if rf kuang intentionally wrote four main characters for both tpw and babel because the number four is associated with death in chinese and she likes hurting me
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a-feller · 4 months
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got gaybaited hard by that one scene really near the start of the book
Except now I realise it wasn't bait. It was a lost oppurtunity taken partially by western imperialism and colonialism. It was something perfect that was never meant to be and could never be. This is angsty in the worst way.
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bluebutter-art · 1 year
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“...That they were all four of them drowning in the unfamiliar, and they saw in each other a raft, and clinging to one another was the only way to stay afloat.”
― R.F. Kuang, Babel: An Arcane History
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