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tdp overarching themes (redemption etc)
What will happen when Ezran/Harrow’s narrative of love and Aaravos/Viren’s narrative strength meet, who wins?
Will it be possible for Ezran to win the dark mages over to let go of pain and end the cycle of violence? Or is death the only way to protect the world and his loved ones? Will Ezran have to learn to become stronger himself?
is it even possible to kill a startouch elf? oor to convince him to maybe not, like, conquer xadia?
i don’t have these answers but i diiiid compile a bunch of relevant shit
I kind of went through Harrow’s letter to Callum and added related quotes or moments that seemed relevant to the overarching themes discussed and how they stand on opposing sides
orange is harrow’s letter, read in 1x06
red is ezran’s speech, given in 4x03
these are the main voices but there’s also
pink is ibis in 4x03
black is zubeia in 4x04
purple is various aaravos quotes
pink is various viren quotes
both from 2x09, 3x05, 3x07, and 4x04
green is soren, janai, amaya and rayla briefly (4x03 & 4x08 & tdp trailer respectively)
“Soon you will both face a lie. The great lie of history.
“His name was Aaravos, and yes, he was a star. One of the great ones, respected and loved by all. Until we uncovered a long hidden treachery.”
Advisors and scholars will tell you that history is a narrative of strength.
“Search your heart. There’s something that you want very badly. But something or someone stands in your way.”
They will recount stories of the rise and fall of nations and empires. They will be stories of armies, battles and decisive victories.
“And this bright future will require us to conquer Xadia?”
But this isn't true strength. It's merely power.
“I can destroy them all! I have all the power I need!”
“If you want to say something to the Dragon Queen, you should say it to her face. her real face, that can bite you in two!”
“It hurts! I feel pain about this and I am angry!”
I now believe true strength is found in vulnerability...in forgiveness, in love.
“We all want peace and we all want love. But violence tests us!
In a twisted way it converts us to their cause.”
“You tried to win them over with loyalty and friendship but they ignored you. those who fail tests of love are simple creatures who deserve to be motivated by fear.”
“Because pain and loss feel so terrible inside. You want to hate. You want to hurt someone else. so what do we do?”
So, what is the plan? To fulfill your wishes, of course. Is your wish to rule Xadia? I wish for humanity to flourish. And it cannot flourish with a knife forever at its throat.
There is a beautiful upside down truth, which is that….
These moments of purest strength appear as weakness to those who don't know better.
“These are the champions you’ve gathered to try to stop me? They’re nothing but pathetic children!”
“How can we stop this cycle?”
Violence.
Loss.
Pain.
For a long time, I didn't know better.
“In the name of love, you may perform acts so unforgivable that you may never forgive yourself.”
Violence,
“You must take down the Dragon Queen and capture the baby dragon. Then you will have the attention of all the world, and the power to do what you want.”
“Bring terror to Del Bar, to Neolandia, to Evenere, and to Duren!”
Loss,
As I write this, the sun is setting while Moonshadow assassins prepare to end my life. A few months ago, I took my revenge on Xadia. Tonight, it is their turn.
“I am going to destroy it, before it can be used to do any more harm!”
Pain,
“Every great crisis the world faced seemed the work of some ingenious and powerful leader, but in each case, it was secretly Aaravos, whispering in their ear.”
“Aaravos. A startouch elf responsible for more pain, death, and suffering than anyone else in history.”
“I am not a killer.
But if you seek to return that staff to its true owner, you pose a greater danger to this world than I can allow.”
You must die.”
stop! i just want to yell stop. but that’s not enough. it won’t work.”
“I do not mean to be cruel. But we must be ready to sacrifice. Even the things we love.”
“Well played. She will be a valuable asset.”“She is not an asset. She is my daughter.”
I ask you and your brother to reject history as a narrative of strength and instead have faith that it can be a narrative of love.
“I think about a positive vision. a faith we can all share, that we might build a future together in hope. a future where we can be safe with each other. but… it’s not that easy. or simple.”
“Everything I do, and everything I ask of you, is for the future of humanity.”
“The whining child king, in over his head and he knows it.”
because people are still hurting and they are still angry. we can’t ignore that, or pretend it will go away.
“Oh, my time is inevitable.”
somehow, we have to hold it all in our hearts at the same time. we have to acknowledge the weight of the pain and loss, but open our eyes and allow ourselves to hope and maybe forgive and love again.
“You cannot have your cake and eat it too.”
We have to give today’s children a chance to inherit a future filled with peace.
“I've tried to be selfless as a king, but as a father, I have a selfish wish. And that is for you and Ezran to be...free. Reject the chains of history. Do not let the past define your future, as I did. Free yourself from the past. Learn from it, understand it, then let it go. Create a brighter future from your own hearts and imagination.”
Destiny is a book you write yourself.
To give them that, we have to hold pain and love in our hearts at the same time.
“There is an aching pain mixed with love that you feel in these moments.”
“Just have two cakes.”
“This is called A Song of Love and Loss.”
I'm proud of you. And I love you unconditionally.
“If the fallen star is a danger the whole world will face, this is a chance to solve our problems together.”
“How do you kill a startouch elf?”
idk man. what if aaravos doesn’t have to die? what if it’s not too late for him to be redeemed? this is kind of a guilty pleasure hope of mine but still. the dragon prince is a story of letting go of generational trauma and past pain, of letting go of pain and differences, most importantly, of letting go of a narrative of strength, of a strong katolis, a strong lux aurea, a strong empire over xadia, and believing in a story of love and hope. if there’s anything that could drastically change things its the guy with a lot of power and a lot of ambition and pain ready to cause a whole cycle of pain all over again. if there’s anything that would drastically change things it would be changing his heart. and if theres anyone who can change it, it’s the kid who feels the most for him.
#this may have been the dumbest lil adhd thing i have posted yet idk#self spaghettification#what will happen when these rhetorics clash?#and when ezran and aaravos meet#will it be a story of punishment or of restoration#is it possible to kill a startouch elf?#is it possible to win his heart over?#ezran#tdp ezran#harrow#tdp harrow#viren#tdp viren#aaravos#tdp aaravos#amaya#janai#soren#tdp quotes#tdp 4x03#tdp 4x04#tdp 3x07#tdp 3x05#tdp 2x09#the dragon prince#tdp theory#ibis#my thoughts#tdp meta
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Pharos is definitely indicated to have died after Aaravos' possession of him. How did he survive then?
On the other hand, in 4x04 Callum is unconscious after the possession, maybe it's the same with Pharos. But I can't see him moving in the scene 🤔
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soren literally refusing to let viren turn him into a monster
#'he's cruel but you don't have to be' 'even when he asks you to do something Terrible'#3x07#morally ambiguous fam#s3#arc 2#mine#text post#tdp soren#the dragon prince#tdp
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callum drawing runes through arc 1
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The Dragon Prince is just so good, and I simultaneously want season 6 to be here tomorrow because I can’t wait… and for it to take another year to release so that I get to enjoy the anticipation even longer.
#because once it’s here… there’s only one hiatus left until it’s all over 🥲#I just rewatched 3x07-3x09 today if you can’t tell#so so good#the dragon prince#tdp fandom#mando ramblo
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Soren thought he was done chasing, done reaching—
reaching for people who turned their backs on him,
who closed doors in his face,
who disappeared over the horizon and never returned.
from Strangers
#the dragon prince#tdp shorts#tdp soren#tdp viren#tdp lissa#tdp claudia#reaching motif#tdp s5 spoilers#OW ow right in the feelings#3x07#lost child#strangers#currently losing my MIND#s5 viren fever dream reflecting on his relationship regrets with soren yesss i believe it
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The burning candle of mourn
#janai#amaya#janai x amaya#tdp#tdp 3#tdp spoilers#the dragon prince#the dragon prince season 3#the dragon prince spoilers#3x07
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*slams paw down* I'M BACK, WOLVES!!! WITH EVEN MORE BADLY DRAWN INCIDENTS FROM MY GROUP CHATS!!!
Let's start this first part off with Kitty Aunt's TDP Livestream Golden moments(with Wolfy being a party crasher)!
3x02:
3x04:
3x05:
3x07:
3x08:
Second part will be out in seconds!
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TDP timeline
aka I skimmed the (first) three TDP seasons, counting the days, so you don’t have to. Not that you would.
Here’s the TLDR:
Season 1 takes place over 5 days
2 days pass offscreen, between 1x09 and 2x01
Season 2 takes place over 8 days
3x01 picks up right after 2x09
Season 3 takes place over 7 days
So from 1x01 to 3x09, it’s been just 22 days
‘But the moon looks full in 1x01 and in 3x09!’ I hear you protest. ‘Shouldn’t it be a full month?’
Explanation, details, evidence, ambiguities, and milestone events under the cut. My count is based on the colour of the sky, specific time references (thanks Callum), and phases of the moon.
Harrow was King of Katolis for 9 years. Viren gives us the exact time reference in 2x05.
That checks out, because look how small Ezran and Callum are when posing for the official portrait, a few days after Harrow’s coronation.
It’s unclear exactly how long Harrow serves as King before Sarai is killed by Thunder. We know it’s not very long, though, because kid Callum’s character model is the same. (I focus on that, because young adults Harrow and Amaya will look the same for longer than a child who’s still growing.)
Yes, this could be a budget thing. But I still wouldn’t put the period between Harrow’s coronation and Sarai’s death beyond, off the top of my head, two years. It may be even shorter than that.
Harrow doesn’t take revenge for Sarai’s death until years pass. He and Viren kill Thunder just four months before 1x01.
And now, to count the days.
Day 1 spans 1x01, 1x02, and 1x03. From dawn to night. Note the full moon on Day 1, in 1x03. It’ll become important later when I scrutinise lunar phases.
1x04 is Day 2. And 1x05 is Day 3.
Now, 1x05 ends in the evening of Day 3, and when 1x06 opens, it’s morning. Since there’s no time skip in the rest of season 1, it’s probably just one night’s difference.
That’s a bit weird, though, since Rayla’s wrist ribbon tightens a lot in that time.
I’ll come back to this question of whether 1x06 starts the day after 1x05, in a moment.
1x06 spans Day 4.
Day 4, at nighttime, carries on in 1x07, then Day 5 starts.
1x08 continues Day 5, into the night. That same night continues into 1x09.
So: season 1 takes place over just 5 days, assuming the time between 1x05 and 1x06 is just one night.
Where do we get confirmation that this is the case? In 2x01, Callum says that they’ve spent 2 days with Lujanne, and that it’s been a week (7 days) since they left home.
We also know it’s been a week because it’s a full moon in 1x03, and a half moon in 2x02.
2x01 spans Day 8.
The night of Day 8 goes on into 2x02, and then Day 9 begins in that episode.
2x03 is the night of Day 9, into Day 10.
2x04 spans Day 11, and begins Day 12.
Day 12 continues into 2x05. A lot of 2x05 and 2x06 is flashbacks, so Day 12 actually lasts through both episodes.
Then we have our first significant time skip within a season! 2x06 ends with a dragon sighting while it’s still light out on Day 12. Then 2x07 opens at night in a cave, and Callum says:
So we know that the rest of Day 12, and all the sunlit hours of Day 13, pass offscreen between 2x06 and 2x07.
2x07 therefore opens on the night of Day 13. Then it goes on to Day 14.
The nighttime of Day 14, continues in 2x08. Day 15 begins in that episode.
Day 15 continues into 2x09. And finally, the sun rises on Day 16 while Callum, Rayla, and Zym are crossing into Xadia.
(I’ve made sure not to double-count Day 16. I count it as part of the season 3 time span, since most of it is in 3x01, not 2x09.)
3x01 picks up right where 2x09 left off. We know this because they still have to get past Sol Regem. So 3x01 takes place on Day 16.
Day 17 begins in 3x02, and continues into 3x03 for evening and nighttime.
3x04 opens on Day 18. This is explicitly timestamped, as Callum refers to the events of 3x03 as happening yesterday.
Day 18 spans the whole of 3x04, and then some of 3x05. Then Day 19 starts during 3x05, and goes into nighttime within that same episode. Thus we end 3x05 on a moon shot:
That’s a waxing crescent moon in 3x05, on Day 19, which checks out. I’m pretty sure. I stared at charts for a while.
3x06 opens on the morning of Day 20. And Day 20 continues into 3x07, going into the night.
3x08 continues the night of Day 20, and goes on to Day 21.
3x09 spans the entirety of Day 22, into night.
Now for the thing I anticipated above the cut: doesn’t season 3 end on a full moon, like how season 1 begins on a full moon?
Well, no.
Here is the moon on Day 20:
...on Day 21:
...and on Day 22:
They look deceptively full, don’t they? But they aren’t. They’re waxing gibbous moons. That basically means they’re getting fuller, but aren’t quite there yet.
Gibbous moons can look full. My source is Neil deGrasse Tyson himself:
That’s page 28 of his book, Merlin’s Tour of the Universe: A Skywatcher’s Guide to Everything from Mars and Quasars to Comets, Planets, Blue Moons, and Werewolves.
So, final bit of evidence to the contrary refuted, and now I can rest easy knowing I have no life.
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The secret forbidden romance talk is always hilarious. I love my sweet idiot dorks 🥰
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"But you're too late."
What a cliffhanger 🙃
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The hearts of cinder spell changed Kasef a lot more than the soldiers. I guess it's because the spell would need even more power to change that many people at the same time.
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But Claudia does choose. By staying behind she chooses Viren.
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That's not how Ezran was supposed to find out about the relationship 🤣
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"My own, beloved son, Soren."
How beloved is he really, Viren? 🤨
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Pyrrah is back 🥰
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