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omnipotent-scient · 5 months

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How baby Visenya was made in The Blacks and The Greens

#The Blacks and The Greens #canon daemyra #my thoughts on the blacks & the greens 101 #Princess Visenya Targaryen #i know it happened at night... but oh well 🤷

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walled-flwr · 2 years

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The Hypocrisy of Alicent

Alicent's vendetta against Rhaenyra is propped up very nicely by her fear for her children's lives.... But has Rhaenyra ever done anything, said anything to even suggest that she would hurt Aegon, Aemond or Helaena?

Far as we can see, Alicent is the one putting kids in danger. Her attack dog on a leash, Criston openly bullies Jace & Luke in training while favouring Aegon & Aemond. Alicent can't go one minute without letting malicious comments about the boys, their looks...

Without Alicent, we see the four boys getting along just fine. Yes, there's teasing but it's all in good fun & mostly innocent. Until Alicent begins poisoning the well between the 4. She claims Rhaenyra's boys, much younger than her own are "animals" after the Pig Prank which Aegon was ringleader, even though Aegon should be setting a better example.

Aegon is a liar and a deviant, and a soon-to-be father of bastards by the way he keeps ogling the serving girls. Alicent will of course be blind to his faults.

But ask her what her crusade is and she'll say that if Rhaenyra becomes Queen, she'll murder Aegon & his siblings.

Yes, Otto planted the seed in her mind, but Alicent has watered it with her envy & bad faith.

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myrtlesandasphodels · 10 months

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Baela Targaryen + Internet posts

#I've been thinking of the dragon twins lately...#baela targaryen #house of the dragon #the blacks and the greens #goofiness #hotd crack #hotd incorrect quotes

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ghitarjha · 5 months

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Addam latest chapter in nutshell

#the blacks and the greens #sweetestpopcorn #i know it's late but i just saw this video and i can't help

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beyondmistland · 1 year

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Do you think the Greens were improved in the TV show, Alicent, Aemond and Aegon?

I have mixed feelings about the Greens in HOTD.

Aemond: I very much like that they changed Aemond from an idiotic blood knight to a seething cold ham who’s studied history and philosophy. It makes Aemond more of a genuine threat to the Blacks, better ties into the show’s theme of second sons living in the shadow of their older brothers, and makes him a better foil to Daemon. Oh, and it leaves room for escalation whereas book!Aemond went straight to premediated murder from page 1.

Aegon II: I love how they’ve given depth to Aegon by making him the victim of parental neglect and abuse as evinced by his hedonism, loneliness, lack of ambition, desire for validation, and self-loathing. It really paints him as a self-aware lovable loser…which makes the showrunners’ insistence on using Mushroom’s version of events (albeit somewhat modified thankfully) all the more baffling. In his own scenes, Aegon comes across as quite sympathetic so making him an off-screen rapist and supporter of violence against children introduces a type of tonal whiplash that for me just doesn't work.

I’m especially disappointed because its obvious Tom Glynn-Carney has put a lot of thought into Aegon II, from ad-libbing the “do you love me” line to his short hair being a sign of alienation and rebellion.

Alicent: I enjoyed Olivia Cooke’s performance (case in point, I prefer the show version of Aemond losing his eye and its aftermath) but at the same time I feel the showrunners’ attempts to make Alicent more sympathetic to most people came at the cost of her book counterpart’s ambition and agency, which was replaced with neuroticism and victimization that doesn’t entirely work (case in point, the disgusting Larys foot fetish scene).

Helaena: She’s barely a character even by F & B’s low standards but suffice to say the show completely revamped her character to better explain Jaehaera and while I’m not entirely against that I don’t like the fact Helaena’s ONE major action as queen (helping her mother convince Aegon to offer peace terms to the Blacks) is skipped over nor do I like how a number of her scenes revolve around prophetic foreshadowing that doesn’t really help us better understand her character beyond the fact she’s clearly neurodivergent.

Daeron: They. Didn’t. Once. Mention. Him.

Otto: In the first half of the season, Otto comes across as someone with both good and bad qualities but in the second half he’s pretty much a mustache-twirling villain. Also, for a guy whose supposed to be famous for his learning Otto sure isn’t funny.

Criston: The ingredients for a great character were there but they rushed things. Also, he isn’t an incel.

If I missed anyone, please let me know.

Thanks for the question, @cynicalclassicist

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xenonwitch · 7 months

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I just discovered that with her most recent posting of TB&TG and her hitting of the 1.5 million words in a single work mark…

That @sweetestpopcorn has officially earned the Bronze medal in the ASOIAF fandom for single fic word count 🥉

That means, for at least this brief moment in time, Popcorn is…

THE BRONZE BITCH!!!

(Given she controls Daemon’s life and has written more about him than anyone else it’s a very fitting title for her imo)

(I will leave you with that. And, no I will not be taking any comments at this time.)

#sweetestpopcorn #the blacks and the greens is true canon #the blacks and the greens #popcorn superstar #the bronze bitch #OUR bronze bitch!#give her a medal AO3!!!#asoiaf #doing r’hllor’s work #fan fic is love #fan fic is life

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snow-dragon-rider · 2 years

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Tonight on “What Crimes Will Daemon Commit This Week?”

None.

That man respects one queen and one queen only, and it’s not the one in the green dress whose entrance doesn’t warrant standing up.

Oh, and that other thing, but, you know… *shrug*

Ok, maybe one crime.

#house of the dragon #house of the dragon spoilers #hotd #hotd spoilers #hotd 1x05 #daemon targaryen #rhaenyra targaryen #the blacks and the greens

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nobodysuspectsthebutterfly · 2 years

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Sigils of House Velaryon and House Hightower, from WB’s House of the Dragon merchandise shop

#house of the dragon #house velaryon #house hightower #asoiaf #asoiaf art #hotd art #house sigils #house words #the dance of the dragons #the blacks and the greens #corlys velaryon #rhaenys targaryen the queen who never was #laenor velaryon #laena velaryon #otto hightower #alicent hightower #hobert hightower #as yet there's no merch for these houses other than funkos alas but the fact that these logos exist means something i hope

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horizon-verizon · 5 months

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On Dragonstone, no cheers were heard. Instead, screams echoed through the halls and stairwells of Sea Dragon Tower, down from the queen’s apartments where Rhaenyra Targaryen strained and shuddered in her third day of labor. The child had not been due for another turn of the moon, but the tidings from King’s Landing had driven the princess into a black fury, and her rage seemed to bring on the birth, as if the babe inside her were angry too, and fighting to get out. The princess shrieked curses all through her labor, calling down the wrath of the gods upon her half-brothers and their mother, the queen, and detailing the torments she would inflict upon them before she would let them die. She cursed the child inside her too, Mushroom tells us, clawing at her swollen belly as Maester Gerardys and her midwife tried to restrain her and shouting, “Monster, monster, get out, get out, GET OUT!” When the babe at last came forth, she proved indeed a monster: a stillborn girl, twisted and malformed, with a hole in her chest where her heart should have been, and a stubby, scaled tail. Or so Mushroom describes her. The dwarf tells us that it was he who carried the little thing to the yard for burning. The dead girl had been named Visenya, Princess Rhaenyra announced the next day, when milk of the poppy had blunted the edge of her pain. “She was my only daughter, and they killed her. They stole my crown and murdered my daughter, and they shall answer for it.” And so the Dance began, as the princess called a council of her own. “The black council,” the True Telling names that gathering on Dragonstone, setting it against the “green council” of King’s Landing. Rhaenyra herself presided, seated between her uncle and husband, Prince Daemon, and her trusted counselor, Maester Gerardys. Her three sons were present with them, though none had reached the age of manhood (Jace was fourteen, Luke thirteen, Joffrey eleven). Two Kingsguard stood with them: Ser Erryk Cargyll, twin to Ser Arryk, and the westerman, Ser Lorent Marbrand.

Fire and Blood, by George R.R. Martin, pgs 402-403

🎨: ERTAÇ ALTINÖZ, from Rise of the Dragon

#fire and blood quotes #asoiaf quotes #the blacks and the greens #visenya targaryen #visenya targaryen (rhaenyra's daughter)#the black council #dance of the dragons #dying of the dragons #fire and blood #asoiaf #cw blood depiction

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ilreleonewikia13 · 7 months

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TDIOBCB chapters in gifs: ↴

the Prologue, Introduction to the Manuscript

This long prelude has been done to give a worthy context to the story I am about to transcribe, so that future Masters who will study this work, can fully understand its content and its context. The book in question is intended to be a faithful and truthful account of the life and adventures of one of the leading figures of our kingdom: this Master in doing so has been inspired along the lines of the information that has come down to us from that period, making a selection of the most important and reliable data. These sources include the aforementioned diaries of Princess Visenya, the personal correspondences of the protagonists of this story, and, last but not least, the great manuscript, " The Chronicles of the Glorious Princess and Her Seven Knights ", is the most important collection of tales about the adventures of Princess Baela in existence. Of this manuscript, the author is unknown; all that is known is that it predates the death of Queen Rhaenyra, which occurred in the year 160 After the Conquest: this suggests that surely the person who wrote it must have lived in the capital or been part of the court during the period when the princess was still alive. For this reason, many think it was written by Visenya Targaryen, who was known to transcribe her thoughts, while others attribute it to Baelor Targaryen or Baelor of Harrenal, the son of Prince Aemond. Whoever he was, there is no doubt that through his work he provided posterity with important information to reconstruct one of the most important pieces of the history of the Targaryen dynasty.

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tinumiel · 2 years

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Me, simping for that lil’ b*tch Aemond Targaryen, the Green I hated the most, just because he is played by an actor I love:

Still Team Black...but I feel dirty.

#forgive me mummy for i have failed you #the flesh is weak and i am simping for a green #House of Dragon #house of the dragon #rhaenyra targaryen #aemond targaryen #team black #team green #the blacks and the greens #got #game of thrones #house targaryen

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thaliajoy-blog · 7 months

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So...New Alicent and Rhaenyra drawing (always coming back to the 111 ac dress up fight/tourney!).

Plus Rhaenyra in another style (more Valyrian) that she develops later (in contact with Daemon since he comes back at that 111 ac tourney and then has a lot of influence on Rhaenyra) ; here a relatively casual fit :

#rhaenyra targaryen #alicent hightower #asoiaf art #valyrianscrolls #house targaryen #fire and blood #the blacks and the greens #character design

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notyour-valentine · 2 years

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PSA: This account is an involuntary Aemond Targaryen Stan account

Do I oppose everything this man stands for? Yes, absolutely

Will I go absolutely feral for this little war criminal? Even more so

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myrtlesandasphodels · 1 year

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When your dragon's gold and your banner's gold but your mum is cooler so your team is called the greens:

#aegon ii targaryen #the blacks and the greens #hotd #alicent hightower #hotd meme #asoiaf meme #goofiness

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sweetestpopcorn · 1 year

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Do you think that GRRM goofed up by killing off Jaehaera? Had she lived and been the mother of Aegon III's kids it would have been so much more satisfying an end to the Dance. Plus that way the Blackfyres would have descended from the Greens (through Daena), and all the Blackfyre-Targaryen conflicts could have been seen as a continuation of the Dance. I get mad at it, it was such a good conclusion thrown away for shock value.

Hi there Anon 😊

I would like to begin by apologising if I sound insensitive.

Absolutely he did not. George gave the Dance a clear winner: the Blacks. The side that remained. At the same time he ended the other, the Greens.

This is for everyone who likes to think that both sides were just as wrong.

Yeah no, sorry. 🥰🍿

This to me was the perfect conclusion after everything that happened during the war. How each side behaved. Who started the war and who started the bloodshed. The line of a man who fed his sister to his dragon while her son watched could not go on, and neither would her son ever be happy marrying his daughter in my opinion.

I also have a lot of thoughts regarding Jaehaera and I will agree that given how George made her, he had no need to kill her off in childhood. I don’t believe this little girl would have ever had children so the Greens’ line would have still ended. But I do understand he got rid of her so Aegon III could marry Daenaera. It’s honestly a sacrifice I’m willing to make and I wouldn’t have written it differently if I could.

Also I do enjoy the commentary that it was most likely a former green - Unwin Peake - arranging it. Sorry I’m petty like that.

Again sorry if I sound insensitive but I just don’t care about the Greens. I just established no emotional connection reading about them.

Also I cannot stand arranged marriages. Baby Aegon chose Daenaera so the Lord has spoken. It is Daenaera we want him with 🧜🏻‍♀️ his mermaid.

Like I know I’m sounding mean because Jaehaera was already born a green, Aegon’s daughter and Alicent’s granddaughter but it makes me too happy their line ended to care.

Again sorry.

PS: everything written here concerns the asoiaf canon only. Only. Only. Only.

#aegon iii targaryen #canon aegon iii targaryen #daenaera velaryon #the blacks and the greens #the rogue prince #the princess and the queen #fire and blood #pre asoiaf #the dance of the dragons #only daemyra’s line gets to live sorry #team black #once you go black you don’t go back #George giving us the wink #back at you turtle man 😌 have my black shirt on #nO oNe WoN #the line who went on begs to differ #sorry I just can’t stand the gangreens #popcorn answers

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beyondmistland · 1 year

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Hi! Just saw your ask about Alysanne being Maegor’s daughter (possibility). It’s so complicated and interesting... but actually wouldn’t make sense because in many ways Alysanne is basically her grandmother Rhaenys over again - for they have so much in common: the beloved Good Queen who cared about people etc. Even Rhaena compared Alysanne to Rhaenys and herself to Visenya. And actually when I think about Visenya’s possible grandchild I think of someone similar to Rhaena as well. Anyway, I’m glad Visenya’s line didn’t continue because she was really downgrading with Maegor by blindly supporting her hitler of a son.

I respectfully disagree with your opinion.

Maegor, for all his many, many faults was neither genocidal nor a eugenicist.

Children are their own people and there is never any guarantee they will turn out like their parents. Case in point, Jaehaerys I is nothing like his dithering father, Aenys I.

People don't have to literally be someone's descendant to resemble them in terms of looks or personality. People can and have taken after aunts, uncles, or grandparents on either side of their family. Heck, sometimes a person resembles no one in the family due to inheriting long-dormant recessive genes from a distant ancestor! And that’s before you get into people choosing to deliberately model themselves off someone they admire, which in this case would be famous kings, queens, knights, lords, ladies, etc.

Characters shouldn't be punished for the actions of their offspring and the idea that *bad* characters or characters with *bad children* shouldn't have descendants is imho very problematic. Seriously, by that logic, Daeron II shouldn't have been born and while I personally think he's more flawed than most of the fandom, he is undoubtedly one of the better Targaryen kings. Similarly, according to this train of thought, Aegon III and Viserys II shouldn't have been born because neither Rhaenyra nor Daemon are good people. Speaking of those two, who even decides who's a good or bad character? I personally find Daemon Targaryen loathsome but he clearly has a ton of fans and not just on Tumblr. Would a guy like Maekar fall under your category of *bad* considering his many flaws as a parent and person as well as the fact he accidentally killed Baelor Breakspear and sired Aerion Brightflame?

The fact that Visenya's line dies out is part of a wider trend wherein GRRM, for all his talk about disliking black-and-white conflicts/characters and preferring "the human heart in conflict with itself", often writes one side of any given struggle to be more sympathetic, with the other side ALWAYS dying out. Visenya's line dies out and through only having Maegor is made to be less sympathetic. Alicent's line dies out (unless you include unacknowledged bastards) and the Greens as a whole are written to be mustache-twirling redshirts. While before there was good reason to believe Bittersteel had children by marriage (which would have heightened the contrast with Bloodraven and fit in well with the grounded institutional nature of Bittersteel's legacy, whereas Bloodraven's is relegated to the fleeting memory of song, just as magic comes and goes) but now, according to GRRM, he probably never had children, which in this case I'm willing to let slide, mainly because it shows how he and Bloodraven are mirrors of each other in terms of being each side's respective fanatic, the conflict consuming every other aspect of their lives in service to it.

We have no idea what kind of mother, leader, or person Rhaenys would have been had she lived longer. And its not like Visenya didn't have people who loved her too or else Yandel wouldn't use the phrase "even those who loved her best".

I generally dislike tropes like "the evil stepmother" as @cynicalclassicist can attest.

Thanks for commenting, anon.

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