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oifaaa · 2 years

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what do you hate about fanon tim drake?

this isnt a trick question or anything, i just like people being passionate about stuff (and also im new and i havent quite gotten to tim drake era yet and you have solid opinions so I want to see em)

I hate fanon Tim for mainly two reason firstly bc his fanon depiction is constantly being depicted as canon and shoved in my face, and secondly bc his actual canon is far more unique, fun and interesting

For instance Tim had the most normal upbringing out of all the Robins he was raised in a well off house hold with non perfect parents that did love him, he was also set up to be the most relatable in how normal he was, he figure out who batman and Robin were after seeing Robin do a flip on TV that he knew only the acrobat Dick Grayson could do, a little later after Jason died he noticed that Bruce was getting overly violent and careless and decided to try and take pictures of this so that he could show them to dick to convince him to come back and be Robin, he was only able to do this bc Bruce was being careless otherwise Tim would not of been able to keep up with batman, he shows them to dick and dick takes him to the Manor, Tim is also the first Robin to not actually need Robin and not need a father or guardian, his life was fine and this helps bc batman was not in the right head space or position to be getting another son so soon after he lost Jason. His upbringing and the fact that he was able to figure out who batman was resulted in his being arrogant, selfish and a bit of a know it all. He's very independent but he can also make friends easily and is a bit of a womaniser (arguably the term suits him way better then it suits Dick) Hes also got the second best support system in the batfamily just behind dick which he actively ignores bc he chooses not to. He needs a serious reality check and he makes bad decisions that will ruin his life every other week. Fanon takes all this and throws it out the window in favour of turning tim into this pathetic sad wet blanket who cant stick up for himself and the most special perfect boy you've ever seen, he was only 3 years old when he somehow made it all the way from Bristol to crime ally where he was able to climb buildings to take pictures of batman and robin, when Jason beats him up at titans tower he starts crying about how awful his fucked up childhood was with his comically evil parents who sold him to one direction as a child and kept him in a cage, everything wrong with his life is someone elses fault and he's always right, he has no friends and no one has ever hugged him before please save this special boy

#Ask #Anon #writing this i realized that canon tim #is like a combination of #andrew Garfields spider man dipper pines and luz from owl house #also fun fact #had to write this three times #bc tumblr kept closing while i was writing #so i definitely left some things out #but ugh i think you get the jist #Tumblr said please Aiofa stop complaining about fanon Tim Drake #And I said no #At least this should be the last one for a wee while #Got it out of my system for now #long post

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space-specs · 1 year

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Dick Grayson 🤝 Roy Harper

Sidekicks successfully able to move beyond their mentor and more well-known for their own individual vigilante identity now.

Stephanie Brown 🤝 Bart Allen

Original heroes that carried a couple legacy names before going back to their own unique hero names.

Tim Drake 🤝 Conner Kent

Stuck in the same name retelling the same stories and unable to fully grow as a character because DC can't seem to give them their own unique identities that would allow them to move on past this narrow idea of their characters.

#anyway yeah....just having some musings....they don't make 'em like they used to /hj #if they would stop roping Tim back into Robin that would be great actually #similarly i think Kon is being held back by still being Superboy #not to the same extent that Tim is but definitely keeps looping the 'i'm not like other Supers :(' narrative #(looking at you Superboy: The Man of Tomorrow preview)#i am holding out hope for the new SB series but also i am so fucking nervous. don't fuck this up for us dc #and i think he should get to be like 'i'm not like other Supers :D' and then build a new identity in the reconciliation of self #does that make sense?#like....i don't mind him staying SB except that it does grate on me a little that jon is allowed to grow up and become Superman #while kon is left behind and kinda neglected in superfam content and not allowed to Grow™#and growth doesn't have to involve a change in hero name but i feel like tim and kon's names are so tied to their teen years #and them still having the same names is also seems to be why they aren't allowed to literally grow and be aged up at all #which limits the kinds of stories they get to have and can be used to tell #the immortal comic medium vs. the realism of believably semi-mortal characters ig #rambling in tags #spec-text-ular #dc #dick grayson #roy harper #stephanie brown #bart allen #tim drake #kon-el #conner kent #nightwing #arsenal #spoiler #batgirl #robin iv #impulse

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lafoget · 2 years

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every fucking day I think about these panels from finale of Robin II and about AU where Tim accidentally kills the Joker by drowning him in a vat of sewage

#Jason will be... confused when he wakes up after swimming in green juice #how can he be mad at someone who drowned the Joker in shit?#on the other hand Bruce #well he definitely shouldn't have left Gotham in the care of 14yo #tim drake #joker

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fantasticgothicpeachsludge · 9 months

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An idea... Since Charlie and Jason have such similar ideologies (All criminals deserve to die) I think it would be really fun if in this alternate universe version of DC Comics Charlie and Jason worked together a lot especially earlier in the whole redhood thing. I think after things calm down a lot they have a brother, sister kind of dynamic I don't know LOL I'm just pitching you things-

Charlie joins the outlaws it’s canon

#Charlie Michael and Jason are the siblings ever #comic wise like if Michael was canon #Jason and Michael were definitely friends #went to Gotham high together #Michael being one or two years younger than Jason #hung out on balconies at galas #probably smoked together #little shits #post Jason’s death William definitely said some bullshit to Bruce like ‘Michael hasn’t been taking the loss well hasn’t left his room in #weeks’ as if they even still lived in the same home #anyway you know some chaos is about to happen if no one’s seen Charlie Michael jason or Tim for a while #💕🍄🧚🏻answers🧚🏻‍♀️🍄💕#fnaf/dc au

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cleromancy · 1 year

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god. saw someone say that bruce is 100% in the right vs jason bc No One Should Ever Kill. you mean the bruce that slit jasons throat and left him in a building wired to explode? that bruce?

#just absolute shit tier takes #also bruce works with confirmed killers like wonder woman and uh fucking Superman #but theyre at least honest about ir #it*#also one time he fucking bricked kgbeast in a flooding vault a la a cask of amontillado #another time he left kgbeast (again) in the middle of a frozen wasteland in a blizzard #but it doesnt count if you have plausible deniability right bruce ('s writers)#and this was allegedly a jason stan??#im not saying you have to agree with his moral code (esp bc jason tosses it out the window any time he gets upset enough)#but im definitely judging you if you agree with bruce's 100%#(bc bruce is also a massive hypocrite who selectively enforces his moral code except on a much larger scale)#they were also like 'well actually'ing about it #like 'the tragedy of bruce and jason isnt that they both make good points. jason didnt. no one should ever kill. the tragedy is actually #that he died'#you are so boring. you are a boring person who chose the most boring way to interpret that stoey #you are fanon tim drake when written by people who don't get tim drake

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wildishmazz · 1 year

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Tim Rice's "Get Onto My Cloud", Starmania

Since there isn't a transcript available for this podcast yet, I sat down and typed it out myself.

This is Tim Rice. Welcome to my podcast, Get Onto My Cloud.

[70s style theme music]

I thought for this podcast, I would tell you something about the only foreign musical I’ve ever translated.

I remember Cameron Mackintosh, in around 1983, sending me a copy of the Les Miserables French album, which I’m not sure I even played. Which was not the most astute move of my career. I think I must’ve been getting going on Chess at the time. However, Cameron and the French authors could not have been more brilliantly served than by Herbert Krezmer’s English lyrics in 1985, and of course Les Mis is a worldwide phenomenon still running all over the world(pandemics permitting). So, when I received another French musical album in 1989, a year after Chess had flopped ignominiously on Broadway, I actually inserted the recording into my CD player.

My career was going through - how can I put it? - a quiet patch, and I felt I had the time to listen to a French show with what had the rather uninspiring title, Starmania. Or, in French, Starmania.

Starmania is a cyberpunk rock opera. It was written in 1976, in French, by Michel Berger(music) and Luc Plamondon(lyrics).

Michel was a major player in France in popular music culture, both as a songwriter and performer. He wrote and produced records for French superstars including Johnny Hallyday, Françoise Hardy, and his wife, France Gall. Who, incidentally, won Eurovision in 1965 with “Poupée De Cire, Poupée De Son”, representing(for some reason) Luxembourg. But Michel was not involved in that. It was he who had sent me the album.

Luc Plamondon was a French Canadian lyricist, who was responsible for many of Celine Dion’s French language hits in the early part of her career.

On first hearing, I was intrigued and impressed by the record. I speak tolerable French, especially after a few glasses of red wine, and had managed to pick up the drift of some of the plot which, to say the least, seemed fairly convoluted. It was much more rock influenced than the score of, say, Les Mis or Phantom. As a frustrated, failed rocker from way back, this appealed to me more quickly than a traditional theatrical score might have done.

Starmania started off as an album in France, and made it onto stage in Paris in 1979. It was a massive hit; and indeed, still is, with yet another major revival scheduled in Paris for 2020(or as soon as is possible). Its success is quite an achievement as the French don’t seem to like any musicals, with none of the English-speaking mega-hits doing particularly well when translated and presented in France. Jesus Christ Superstar, despite having its French premiere attended by both Salvador Dali and Frankie Howard, only ran for a few months.

Anyway, I went over to Paris to see the show and to meet Michel and Luc. The show was great, and I was even beginning to come to grips with the story - as this is only a 20 minute podcast, I don’t think I’ll go into all the subtleties of the plot. Suffice it to say, it was set in the near future, which then was the year 2000, in Metropolis(sic), the capital of the recently created Occident Nation. As it was already the late 80s, we were in for a pretty turbulent 11 years, if Luc’s story was to be an accurate prophecy.

The leading characters in Starmania were Johnny Rockfort, a cross-dressing student agitator(sic); Zero Janvier, a billionaire businessman planning to run for the presidency of the country(so Luc was right on the money there); his girlfriend, former sex symbol movie star Stella Spotlight; a waitress/narrator called Marie-Jeanne; hopelessly in love with Ziggy, an androgynous fantasist record dealer; Cristal, the host of the TV show Starmania, who becomes involved with Johnny; and then there was Johnny’s gang of street rebels, the Black Stars.

You probably don’t need to remember all of this.

Marie-Jeanne has one of the score’s most powerful moments, at the climax of the show, a song called “Le Monde est Stone”. In the English version, which after a lot of thought I entitled “The World is Stone”, it was sung on the album we recorded eventually by the fabulous Cyndi Lauper and was a medium-sized hit single for Cyndi in the UK in 1992. Here it is.

[musical interlude, “The World is Stone”]

Cyndi Lauper, and “The World is Stone”.

Not having a particularly full dance card at the beginning of the 90s, I happily agreed to translate or adapt the songs into English, for an English release album, particularly as Michel had done a deal with CBS in the UK where the delightful Muff Winward, formerly of the Spencer Davis Group, was the executive overseeing this particular project.

Muff was an all-round good egg, if eggs can be round. An all-oval good egg, perhaps. Muff and Michel managed to assemble a very distinguished international lineup of artistes to perform on the English-language album. It was recorded eventually in London, Paris, and Los Angeles. I also translated the book of the show, i.e. the dialogue between songs, and took the decision to rename Starmania “Tycoon” as the Zero Janvier tycoon character was pretty central and “Starmania” sounded a little bit too like Opportunity Knocks or, in today’s TV terms, Britain’s Got Talent. This was probably a mistake. “Starmania” today sounds like a great retro title for a show.

Muff and I had been over to New York with the aim of roping Cyndi Lauper into the project. She’d heard two songs that she’d been sent, “The World is Stone”, and another number called “You Have To Learn To Live Alone”, which is actually one of my favourite lyrics. And Cyndi seemed moderately intrigued. It was soon clear that she hadn’t a clue who I was, so I managed to subtly inform her that I’d written the words for “One Night in Bangkok”, which had been a massive radio and chart hit in the States. And by the time I’d flung Superstar and Evita into the mix, Cyndi’s enthusiasm had perked up a bit. Funnily enough I met Cyndi in a restaurant in Barnes, about 25 years later, and on that occasion she thought I was Robert Stigwood. Since her great success as a writer of the musical Kinky Boots, I’m hoping for recognition, instant recognition, as a fellow theatrical next time we meet.

Back to Starmania/Tycoon. On the album in addition to Cyndi Lauper we had Tom Jones, Bros, Celine Dion, Kim Carnes, Willy DeVille(who as Mink DeVille made that superb 1977 album Spanish Stroll), German punk superstar Nina Hagen, and - particularly exciting for me - the wonderful former Ronette, Ronnie Spector(whom I last saw in 1964 on the set of TV’s Ready, Steady, Go, when I failed to win a Billy-Jay Kramer miming competition). By any standards, that’s a pretty impressive list of artists, and it was a great thrill for me to meet and work with them. Obviously, the album would do well in the UK, and we hoped also in America. Why not? Which in turn could lead to an English language stage version of France’s biggest ever rock musical.

Obviously, this did not happen.

But I’m still glad I got involved, if only because it led to one of the best recordings of my lyrics I’d be lucky enough to have experienced. In French, the song was titled “S.O.S. d'un Terrien en Detresse”, which translated is “S.O.S. of an Earthling in Distress”. In the show it’s sung by Johnny Rockfort, mourning the death of his lover Cristal. I decided not to go with “S.O.S. of an Earthling in Distress” as the title, and called the song “Only the Very Best”. And it was sung magnificently by the leader of the US rock band Cockrobin, Peter Kingsbury.

[musical interlude, “Only the Very Best”]

Peter Kingsbury, what a vocal, with “Only the Very Best” from Tycoon, my English version of the French megamusical Starmania. I was particularly pleased that the distinguished composer of Les Mis, Claude-Michel Schonberg, chose that track as one of his Desert Island Discs.

So, my attempt to bring France’s greatest musical to the English stage was a total failure. The English language album and two or three singles did very well in France, and sold a few copies in French Canada, but that probably wasn’t because of my brilliant English lyrics. Nothing really happened record-wise in the UK after Cyndi’s initial success with “The World is Stone”.

The whole enterprise received a terrible blow when Michel Berger, aged only 44, suffered a fatal heart attack after playing tennis in August 1992. In France, his death led to a massive outpouring of sincere and shocked tributes to one of the nation’s best and most popular musicians. I remember him as a warm and civilised fellow, with whom it was always a pleasure both to work and to have dinner with, with him, France, and their family. I’m sure his work would have made an even greater international impact, had he lived a little longer.

All the same, Starmania lives on in its home country, and I hope to see it again before too long. I wouldn’t put any money on that English version ever emerging, but Luc is still happily with us(admittedly in Quebec a lot of the time), so if an insanely optimistic producer wanted to give it a go, I don’t think it would be too hard to get Luc’s permission. And mine.

The biggest star involved in the project was the legendary Tom Jones, who recorded my translation of the evil Zero Janvier’s big number, “Le Blues du Businessman”. For someone like Tom to sing a lyric one has written is as much an honour as a pleasure. I remember the recording session in Los Angeles as a great music memory for me, as was the session with the wise and wonderful Ronnie Spector in Paris.

So thank you, Michel, thank you Luc, thank you France, and thank you, Muff.

To end this Starmania podcast, here is Tom Jones, with “Le Blues du Businessman”, aka “I Would Love to Change the World”.

Remember, when this was written, I had not heard of Donald Trump.

[musical interlude, “I Would Love to Change the World”]

#Starmania #Tim Rice #I definitely get the feeling that when he last left the show Sadia did not exist

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protect-namine · 9 months

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if we're bringing back "diluc is batman" (referencing the description from neuvillette's marketing drip where diluc's mask is his alter ego whereas neuvillette's role as chief justice is just him and not a role he puts on) then can I petition genshin to give diluc a robin

#mine musings #liveblogging genshin #i do have 3 robins in mind for diluc actually and they all make sense i promise #that would be klee. fischl. and xingqiu #xingqiu is already doing the chivalry thing in canon so i know deep in my heart he MUST admire batman diluc #the moment fischl borrowed diluc's retribution lines i knew she's made for it. also!!!!#she's in the intelligence unit of the adventurer's guild AND she would definitely enjoy playing up a role/persona. she'd be perfect #klee happens because we know alice already likes diluc and i am sure in another life she would have dropped off klee with the ragnvindr's #also. the image if a brooding masked hero of the night with his bubbly bomb-dropping sidekick? perfect #tbh i can see xingqiu as like. a tim drake situation #anyway i would so love it if genshin would tell us more about the underground intel network diluc joined when he left mond

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metal-sludge · 8 days

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BULLETBOYS, SLAUGHTER, THE QUIREBOYS, and THUNDER performing at the Breaking the Ice Festival on June 16, 1991 in Hafnarfjörður, Iceland | ROCK POWER, August 1991.

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secretlythatsme · 2 months

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i don't particularly mind danny damian twin aus but i'm still surprised that became the norm when danny and tim are so much more alike? like, black hair blue eyes, absent neglectful parents, creepy older men obsessed with them, usually depicted as lankier teens, both of them becoming obsessed with helping/saving people as a result of being neglected, feeling like if they can't help then they're useless, etc.

like danny and damian being twins or siblings isn't Bad but you also have to do so much more work to actually,,, make it work. and i feel like people only like it more because it's angstier and allows them to make danny cooler rather than it makes more sense. but with how many danny fans focus on bad fenton parents or at least neglectful fenton parents, i just thought they would enjoy danny and tim being twins more.

#like again i dont hate danny and damian being twins #but with how much fans have to change both of them to make it work?#like damian actually liking danny and not feeling competitive? thats not true damian wouldve tried to kill him especially if he left first #them having to change danny's race and name and entire face just so they look more alike (even if theyre not identical)#idk i dont hate it but i definitely prefer danny and tim being twins more #like not only do they actually look like each other but they also have similar backstories and even interests!#and like im not saying twins/siblings have to be like each other for them to be twins/siblings #obviously thats not how that works #but also this isnt real life - this is fiction #you can make danny related to Any of the batsibs and people are Choosing the One guy who isnt even the same race aldhg #i feel like the amount of aus where danny is just So Smart and knows the league sucks so he leaves on purpose #also speaks to just how much dp fans do not understand the league or indoctrination/child abuse/cults #sad - anyway danny tim twins au >>>>>#it also makes me laugh when people say its not interesting to them like Babe danny and tim's backstories are Very Similar #at that point youre literally saying danny's Canon backstory isnt interesting ajdhgljd #though i guess thats the point of changing it in the first place #idk man ive just never seen a fandom that hates their canon so much ajkdhgj i have to get used to this i guess

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refloralisation · 10 months

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My firm and very sincere belief that Tim Drake and Damian Wayne are the brothers that completely affirm each others paranoia fuelled contingencies for really inane situations. Its the most irritating thing ever. Like Damian will say “what if this girl scout is really just a means for someone to poison us” and Tim will instantly say “you’re so right, we need to do a homeland security level background check on the entire girl scouts chapter in gotham immediately”. The definition of bring out the worst in each other.

They’re not allowed to be in any living situation together without supervision because the last time they were left alone in the manor together, they literally created such stringent security measures that not even Alfred and Bruce could get into the house.

#batfam #batman #tim drake #damian wayne #bruce wayne #dc comics #robin #red robin #jason todd #alfred pennyworth #dick grayson #headcanons

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oifaaa · 2 years

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I feel like a lot of my issues with batfamily stuff could be solved if people just remembered that Cass joined the batfamily before Jason returned to Gotham

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confused-wanderer · 7 months

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“You’re such a Dick” is taken as a far more devastating insult than “you’re such a dick!”

Why? No one wants to admit it. They’re all stubborn, petty siblings. And if there’s one thing siblings hate, it’s always being compared to the other. They all spent the first half of their lives trying to live upto Dick, to be him and then spent their latter halves living as far apart.

The first time, Tim lets it slip to Jason is when they were at a warehouse, Jason checking in on everyone over the comms after a vicious gang takedown, and the amount of concern and checking up he was doing made a half-conscious and definitely concussed Tim blurt out: You’re such a Dick.

The horrified pause that followed before Jason clicked off was enough to make Tim realise the extent of damage he’d done. Red Hood spends the next two months gunfighting, taking over the underworld and dealing in shady illegal hands before he even shows up to the mansion again.

Tim got his karma though. He was entertaining people at the gala as Timothy Drake, wooing suitors and investors, turning on the charm and rizz that left everyone swooning over him and completely enamoured. He’s trying to manipulate them to donate millions to a good cause, maybe make a few powerful connections he could use when he laughs, disentangles from the crowd and gives a charismatic wink to his followers.

He pauses, refilling his drink when he hears the disapproving tut from the shadows.

“What do you want Damian.”

“Drake. What are you doing?”

“My job, trying to make the best of a worse situation.”

“With those flirtatious compliments you gave? Drake, you made the mayor’s mother swoon.”

Tim shrugs.

“Not my fault they can’t resist my charms”

And then. Damian levels him with a scrutinising look, scowling before he mutters.

“You’re such a Dick.”

Tim doesn’t realise the glass has slipped from his fingers until he hears it shatter along with his mind.

Dick, god bless him, has no idea. He genuinely thinks that they’re fighting and the insults just get to them. However, he’s still confused why when he goes to check on them they refuse to make eye contact with him, and then disappear off the face of the planet.

#batman #dick grayson #jason todd #nightwing #red hood #tim drake #bruce wayne #headcanons #damian wayne #batfam #robin!dick grayson #robin!jason todd #robin!tim drake #red robin

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