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drachenfalter · 1 year
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More Locations on the Boiling Isles
So, the ending credits gave us a lot of landscape and location shots of places we haven't seen yet:
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Another perspective of the Knee. I wonder if those buildings on the right are St. Epiderm?
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A big hospital. Based on the environment, I'd guess that this is somewhere in Latissa.
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The left arm. It seems they have done a lot of construction work here since Belos rearranged the geography.
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The Palistrom Forest/Palisman workshop. The exact location is unclear, but it could be close to the Bat Queen's lair.
And of course, last but not least.
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The heartlands, where the Emperor's Castle has been replaced by the University of Wild Magic.
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daystarvoyage · 3 days
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I wished the boiling isles was way more diverse like having different cultures and different species of demons and witches but too bad it stuck with the typical European/Medieval style culture like the Deadwardian Era. The show said all myths came from the isles but I hardly seen any demon except Kikimora or any witches that fit to any myth or religion. I kinda can get behind the fact that writing and designing different cultures is difficult and you might run the risk of offending certain groups. what do you think?
Writing this on my way on vacation, hope you have a starry day✨
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I was so talking about that when I rewatched the show, a lot of things they did not address or mail on was the freaking cultural, race, lore story and story building.
Not to mention felt had so much to do with the BO BIRTH Eda did say (everything pouring from your world goes to her.)
I was deeply upset cause they had so much to work with and they didn’t try to go very far, so I feel all of that was compromised by the LGBT (message) overshadowing the whole series, not to mention the different species of further evolution of monsters they could explored.
At this point the fans are gonna writing better world building for those timelines heck even making kikimora fleshed out have you seen that series epilogue picture.
(5 of these characters are missing some could’ve contribute to the story lol)
example have worst episodes (being the body swap,) replaced with a race theme message,
Luz not being any different to any monster, species or hulkling character who couldn’t be himself or belong etc, they just focused on the pretty beauty standard type characters (witches) (favoritism) those who are passable to excel in the BO World to carry the show and it work.
and they exceeded however the shows writing I feel won’t age well.
Hope this clears everything cause there so much the crew could’ve done better.
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crimeronan · 8 months
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I love political and tactical fantasy shenanigans so I'm very 👀 over that appearing in the princess luz au in some way. There's so much you can play around with, like the public opinion, who gets supplies for not just the castle but the civilians, or runs this or that, and how the different coven's are run (i read a v neat theory that the abomination coven has more opportunities because of Darius, for example), any new covenhead will have to untangle the mess and horrors of their predecessor, and bringing in new people to run a section or help support a coven that's surprise surprise being held together by string and luck because the previous head was incompetent or didn't care enough. Or both.
Like the plant coven's plantations that are mentioned once in Hunting Palismen that guard the remaining palistrom trees. That'll need to be dealt with so more witches can recieve palismen, and then they'll need someone to carve them(possible lead in to Hunter getting intrested in palisman carving? ovo CLAWTHORNE CLAN APPEARANCE MAYBE??). Not to mention the overhaul of the education system, of which TERRA is apparently in charge of, which explains a lot, actually. How many buildings on TBI aren't built to sustain the boiling rain and rely on magic or pure luck to stay standing because the construction coven either didn't bother to do their jobs or they simply couldn't because they didn't have the resources and time, so those who have the most money get priority?
Not to mention taking care of monsters! The empress coven can't be too different from the emperor's coven yet, so they're not very efficient(because they're a cult and that's how they function) and someone has to address that and Lilith is too used to the system to recognise the problems by herself. Maybe Luz makes it law that all coven's now must have a head coven and a vice head of sort, so all the power and decision making doesn't rest with only one person?
Sorry, I'm rambling, I just love this kind of stuff, I go a little insane over it. Adding on all the characters being very stupid or very crazy or both makes for a funny time.
YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH!! THIS IS ALL SO GOOOOD these thoughts are all so good. at first i didn't want to plot a big long story about what exactly luz does to solve some of these issues, bc watching and dreaming addressed everything so well... but the circumstances of this AU have changed enough that i'm getting invested anyway. like. how DO you dismantle an empire when you also have to pretend that that empire is normal and fine and that your fragile allyships with power-hungry coven heads are fine and that your so-called "divinity" isn't based on the bullshit lie of a genocidal colonizer. HOO BOY.
i love love love political worldbuilding fic that explores things like infrastructure and different political dynamics and schisms in fantasy worlds, that was ALSO one of my fave things when i would write homestuck ancestor fic. plotting out what a galactic war might look like and how resources were distributed and how empire weaponry could be commandeered and how propaganda on both sides would function.... MMM. my bread and butter
i think the thing i've put the Most thought into toh-wise is the abomination coven, simply because i am a darius girlie and think about darius All The Time. like i think that the abomination coven has opportunities because there's a lot of capitalist stuff going on, because darius has taken a very libertarian-seeming hands-off approach to running his coven. but you can't apply 1-to-1 real world politics to it because actually, darius """small government""" deamonne is letting people get away with having fake abomination coven sigils and repeatedly break the law and game the empire's systems... all under the guise of "i don't know anything about that. i'm just lazy"
i had Extensive palistrom tree lore (and tragedy) planned in the darius & prev gg fic i outlined, i don't know if i'll ever write it in full but MMM the palistrom trees and the bat queen are on my mind Constantly. also tucking these construction coven thoughts into my back pocket for later use because i hadn't thought much about the infrastructure of the isles' buildings but you're RIGHT. living in portland oregon there's CONSTANT vicious local debate about rebuilding our bridges and older buildings and coastal evacuation plans for when cascadia ruptures, bc most of that wasn't built with a 9.0 earthquake in mind. could definitely pull from. All Of That. LOL
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rosemaidenvixen · 11 months
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Merging the magic systems of Tales of Arcadia and the Owl House
Ever since I added the Owl House in alongside Tales of Arcadia as one of my blorbo shows, I’ve wanted to do a crossover between the two. The trouble is I’m coming up empty with plot ideas, zero, nada, zilch. I want to bring these characters together but I’ve got no idea of what would bring them together and what they’d do when they got together. I still want to write a crossover, but right now I’m waiting for the right inspiration/idea to strike.
Since I have no idea when the right inspiration will strike, let alone when I’ll have anything written. I’ve decided to share my ideas for how I’d reconcile the magical systems between the two shows.
In the Owl House it is repeatedly, explicitly stated that humans cannot use innate magic; and in TOA we have multiple humans using innate magic. So how to make these two incompatible systems mesh without completely throwing out one or the other?
First step is to flesh out the world(s) the stories take place in, using some interpretation and a lot of my personal headcanons. To begin the Demon Realm isn’t really another world so much as another plane of reality to the Terrestrial Realm (aka Earth). If all of reality is a house, the Terrestrial realm would be the first floor and the Demon Realm would be the basement. Another universe would be a whole separate house. The Demon Realm isn’t the afterlife, but humans falling into the Boiling Isles and bringing stories of it back did give rise to myths about the underworld.
Now the two magic systems in these show as they are are completely incompatible, so to make them compatible I’m doing some heavy tweaking to the magic system in the TOAverse. I chose the TOAverse to alter because the Owl House has a lot of in-universe explanations for how the magic system works, while TOA is incredibly vague about it.
What I came up with is this.
Witches can practice innate magic because they have a gland of magical bile on their heart that serves as the source of their magic power. They have these bile sacs because they evolved from the decomposing carcass of an incredibly powerful eldritch god and inherited some of the Titan’s innate magic. Humans did not evolve these bile sacs and therefore have no innate magic. But what if there was a way to bypass the evolutionary middle man and get magic directly?
Because while mature titans may be some of the most powerful deities in existence, they are far from the only ones, and the terrestrial realm has plenty, the Arcane order and many others.
So while humans have no innate magic, by making a deal with a deity they can get some of their powers to use as their own.
Quick aside, in this verse deities aren’t all knowing/all powerful/pure good/pure evil. While they’re immensely powerful magical beings, deities aren’t omnipotent, and have their own struggles and limitations, just like mortal beings. There are almost no deities that are pure good or pure evil, and they often make contracts with mortals for their own reasons or their own gain, ranging from noble to petty.
And a deity giving a human some of their power doesn't lessen the deity’s power. It’s like lighting a torch from a bonfire, the bonfire isn’t reduced by lighting a torch, and it gets to spread its influence without leaving its confines.
The conditions and stipulations that go into such a contract with a deity, and what powers the human gets out of it, varies from deity to deity. An honest person making a deal with an honest deity would get an equivalent exchange, but a foolish person making a deal with a trickster deity might soon find themselves in over their head and little more than a slave. Of course there are plenty of mortals who wouldn’t mind feeding a bloodthirsty god all they desire if they come out more powerful for it. In rare cases if the mortal is clever enough they can trick the deity and come out on top of the bargain.
Every deity is unique and they all have different risks associated with making contracts with them. But making deals with ancient, primordial deities is considered especially dangerous, because while these elder beings are no more pure good or evil than their younger counterparts, their minds are much more alien. And this lack of understanding of human morality can lead to blessings that look like curses, gifts that are more like punishments. One should exercise extreme caution when making a bargain with one of these elder beings.
Now what would this look like applied?
Let’s start with Merlin. I can easily see him being clever enough to trick a deity and a lot of Arthurian myth has him being the son of the devil. So based on this, I imagine in his youth he was able to trick a very powerful, sadistic trickster god, I’m not sure how the specifics of this trick go down, but it ends with Merlin getting all the power he desires and the deity being left with almost nothing. The deity is furious but is bound by their own word.
For Douxie I imagine that a few thousand years down the line Merlin’s trickster made a deal with Douxie as a young child, giving him power with the intention of grooming him into causing Merlin’s downfall. But Merlin outsmarts them again, taking Douxie as his apprentice and teaching him all that he knows. And Merlin’s not immortal, if one day after he dies Douxie steps into his shoes that is just fine with him. Again the trickster is super pissed, but can’t do anything about it.
Now Zoe. There’s pretty much nothing in canon about her powers but I’ve seen a lot of cool fanart of her with electricity powers, so I imagine she made a bargain with Thor, god of thunder, to get lightning based magic. Thor really didn’t ask for much in this bargain, as he likes giving mortals power just because he has fun seeing them running around kicking ass and taking names.
Claire actually did what few dared to do and made a bargain with one of the oldest beings in existence, Nyx, goddess of the night and primordial darkness. No one’s sure what exactly Claire promised in exchange for power over shadows and darkness, only that Claire herself goes gaunt whenever asked and refuses to say.
Rather than being a human that made a bargain for power, I see Morgana as being a demigoddess with innate magic of her own, the child of Uther Pendragon and a powerful fae and Arthur’s half sister. Being a demigoddess makes her incredibly powerful, and killing her…complicated.
So contracts are how “typical” human magic users get their power, but when Luz goes to the Boiling Isles she discovers the glyphs, the titans’ language, and a way to use the titans’ power without a contract or a bile gland. Speculating down the line, once King learns of his true heritage and the Collector enters the scene, this opens up the possibility of Luz making a contract with one of them, but this has its own set of risks. While King and the Collector are friends and allies, the two of them are children, and while they might never intend to harm Luz they could easily end up making a contract with devastating side effects without even trying to. They’re so young they simply don’t know or understand all the subtle intricacies that go into making a bargain with a human.
That’s all I’ve hashed out for now. Like I said, any crossover story will stay in limbo until I get a good idea for a plot. And if anyone wants to incorporate any of the ideas I wrote about here into your own stories feel free. Thanks for reading my rambles!
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Realms Beyond Boiling Isles (Pt.1)
Seorheim, Realm of Runes
Demons and Witches of Seorheim adapted the art of Titans’ Glyphs into a set of symbols to direct magic in the long term. However, the true masters of runes are the Dwarves, or Duarwads, in their tongue.  The Dwarves are the ruling classes of Seorheim, ruled by a council of six hold-clans(The Clans ruling each of six major holds), with witches and demons serving them as ‘surface laborers’, scouts, and work those more ‘temporal’. Some of the talented witches married Duarwads of lesser noble clans, whose offsprings are called ‘Halflings’, for their magic prowess is halved to the witch’s power and strength halved to the dwarven side. Halflings became mercenaries, expendable vanguards, or underground workers and aided rebellions sometimes.
Kiquilon, Realm of Alchemists
The majority is populated by a variant of lizard people. ‘Lhongai’, Basilisks, and a variant of Witches. It’s ruled by two important figures who are both greatest allies and competitors; Emperor and Shogun/Warlord. The Lizard People’s way of life is with the concept of seven elements (Earth, Water, Air, Fire, Wood, Metal, and Aether), inkling their ways of magic. Their mastery depends on harmony between all the elements and physical-spiritual bonds inside individuals and to nature. Those who mastered all the seven-element controls became a neigh-immortal lifeform; Ryuteng. The witches learned to transfer their magic through their bile sack across the body, creating a blend of martial arts and unarmed magic. This mastery is called “Qi Magic” or “Kimyojin”, and those who control the magic in the body to balance and peak performance are called “Dha-Ong”, as they may age slower and heal themselves quickly, but still mortals. They are also known to create a substance called ‘icepowder’, which reaching enough coldness and moisture will cause an explosion, as well as a magic force-based compass.
Auwsemun, Realm of the Passed, and Umdei, Realm of Necromancy
Once a home of the earliest Witch-dominated civilizations, where its kings worshipped Titans walked among the mortals. However, after the Titans’ fallen one of the archivists promised a crown prince of that time; Neferatum, an immortality rulership after his father’s demise. However, it came with the price of eradicating all the Titan cults and replacing them with a single temple for themselves. His adopted younger brother, Auwaseme, was adopted from a nomadic tribe rumored slain by Neferatum’s grandfather, who believed the Archivists would destroy the realm and corrupt Neferatum into their pawn.
Auwaseme fled away with seven other tribes related to his kins, along with loyalists of the old kingdoms to the deserted side across the river. A few years later, Neferatum ran out of patience, poisoning his father with the Archivist’s dark magic that made him rotten alive in a minute. 
As Auwaseme built his new realm around the scattered oasis, he had a vision of the dying Titan and his ancestors in a dream. The Titan figure called herself ‘Mama Titans’, as she warned that Neferatum had captured people of the Titans’ faiths as a sacrifice for his cursed immortality, and if he succeeded, he would become Archivist in mortal flesh.
Auwaseme, gathered the warriors of six other tribes and Medjais who were loyal to the Titans and marched to the capital where he faced Neferatum, embalming himself in a pool of blood, ground bones, and Titan’s blood. The armies of Umdei, the new nation that emerged over the old realm, are smaller in number but grow stronger with each kill and consumption of dead. 
Auwanseme broke the hoard of reanimated dead through his brother, prepared to kill him with the sword of his blood uncle, and revealed its place by the vision a week before. The fight ended up with both severely injured, as Auwaseme later passed away from blood loss. He wished to be buried in a Pyramid in the town he built. Neferatum, meanwhile, could not truly go to the afterlife, but not fully godly, and turned into the savage, blood-thirsting alpha of his new breed; Nosferatu. Disfigured and unable to speak, but retain their wisdom, memory, and cunning nature, dwelling in their abandoned cities, or ruling over the vampires that survived the crusade.
Monarchs of Auwsemun after Auwanseme are buried in the same pyramid along with the first king himself. Inside the pyramid are allowed only three groups of people who may enter and leave as mortals; the high priests, the monarch in time of need, or the herald of Titans. The Pyramid holds all the wisdom of all the kings, even reaching ancestors of Auwsemun or some of the Titans. To ask for their wisdom must either be in dire need or have a worthy tribute offered.
Atlantis, the Grand Port City-State.
A circular artificial ‘island’ and its branches reaching out of the original stone construct emerged out of the water, bringing exotic beasts like elephants, zebras, horses, chickens, and doves and ‘round-eared people’ who ruled the city-state. The first lady of Atlantis recorded in Demon World history was Althemise “the feeding mother”, who claimed a throne after her father’s decease from ‘sudden sinking’ from the Mediterranean to the new realm. Althemise claimed she descended from Poseidon, a deity of the ocean that was not boiling, yet contained life. Althemise married a pirate from pre-unification Boiling Isles, giving birth to a half-witch son named Deusnos “the golden hand”. 
With her unique products from Earth; grains, livestock, fish, peacock feathers, olive, and a sample of spices from India, her city-state attracted merchants, but also pirates. Her husband, Ivoryeon, trained the locals to fight like war-hardy pirates, while Althemise’s younger brother taught them the tactics and arms of Athenians. The new navy had introduced and defended Atlantis since then.
Poseidon, part of the Olympians, became a patron god of Atlantis and was reimagined as an Ichthyocentaur with a trident-like staff and ears of horse. After a few reigns passed, the merchants took over the dynasty and dissolved it, assigning themselves to a council of guilds. One main reason Atlantis remained a loose single city while the navy turned mercenaries, the council had no firm leaders, and crimes were common because the guilds are afraid to show their disharmony and risk being attacked by outsiders.
Woodhenges’ Teat, Domain of Druidry
Being home to the witches’ variant known as Drayidans, or simply, the Woodhengers, is not only home to these tribal apex hunter-gatherers and treasure of their sole goddess; Gayaan, but also her temple and her body. Some scholars believed she was a Titan who passed away and thick woods grew on her dead. However, the tribes claim Gayaan is alive, but sacrifice herself not moving to let them reap her life and return it to her when it’s their time. They claimed in the depth of ‘heart mountain’, going deep enough can make them hear her heartbeats.
The Drayidans also forge racial alliances/oaths with the Trees-those-walk, or Entrii, in their tongue. The Entrii lived before the Drayidans, which made them servants to Entrii, in a trade of their fruits to be eaten, their wisdom to learn, and their dead bodies for woods. Meanwhile, the deceased Drayidans must given their bodies to feed the Entrii.
Drayidans rejected to form permanent settlements or let anyone do it on their domains. Their strongest material is a mixture of sap and obsidian shards burnt in the firepit, called woodsteel. They rarely trade or negotiate with outsiders, seeing themselves as children to Gayaan and her guardians from outside taints. They don’t consider themselves the same kin as witches, especially after Belos attempts to conquer their land for Titan’s blood. The war was called by them as Goldantler’s Damnation, slaying several Entrii and Drayidans, ending in stalemate or phyricc victory. 
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rhineposting · 9 months
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My favourite thing about the world building of the Owl House is how open it is.
No, seriously though. Just try to think of an idea for a fantasy setting, or even borrow it from another piece of media, and I can almost guarantee you that the idea will most likely fit into the world building like a puzzle piece.
A demon living within a tree, giving out visions in return for being fed objects with memories? Incredible, yet horrifying and with plenty scenario options.
Air surfing boards powered by Bard whistling? Very likely, considering there's balloon ships made of Abomination goo. The visual is wonderful too.
Witches making "puppets" of themselves that are piloted with Oracle stones? Reaching a bit into sci-fi territory, but in a dangerous place like the Boiling Isles, having a wooden or Abomination Goo version of yourself doing tasks for you is very convenient, plus reduces risk of getting melted in a sudden downpour of boiling rain, or exploded by a burglar.
I've heard some people say that the world building in TOH is "incomplete" since it doesn't tell us everything, but in my opinion, that is the best part - because you can fill it out yourself with your own thoughts and headcanons. It gives you a base and encourages you to play with it! A simple idea can keep you engaged for days!
now go and leave some of your own ideas in the notes.
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veeveeveeveeveevee · 10 months
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I love that in owl house lore, the Boiling Isles are basically a whale fall but for magic
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rottonfishie · 11 months
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Luz Noceda 🪻 - The Coven AU
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Titan's Birthmark (back placement)
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mx-heinous · 2 years
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If the covens listed in "Convention" are subcovens of the main 9, here's how what I think their respective main covens are:
Plant: Flower, Carnivorous plant
Illusions: Artist, Stylist, Fashion, Cantrip, Swag
Beast keeping: Big dog, Small cat, Tiniest cat
Bard: Rhyming
Potions: Baking, Cooking, Chef
Construction: Mender, Oculus
Oracle: Scrying, Meditation, Fortune telling
The ones that I couldn't figure out are Debate, Reaction, Incidental, History, and Prose.
What kinds of other subcovens do you think there would be?
Edit: I found out there were actually more so I just fixed how I wrote this post. I feel like some of these are a bit of a stretch but these were the closest I connections between them I could find so feel free to share your ideas.
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zenniaphoenix · 2 years
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ToH Glyph Rambles
The glyph combos are very interesting. It’s kind of weird to have separate glyphs for fire and light in a four glyph system, but the pairs they set up are interesting. Fire and Ice are an obvious pair, which leaves plant and light magic, which is neat. It works so well with the established biology based world building. The magic system in this show is so cool
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disregardcanon · 2 years
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so this fun raeda fic that i read a bit ago suggested that marriages on the boiling isles are a spell that requires complete honesty from the proposer and for the proposee to agree and set their terms to make the contract binding, and i LOVE the implications of that. like in a raeda marriage there would probably be all these loving promises and DEVOTION and ROMANCE but odalia’s proposal would be “do you want to be business partners and have children together to inherit the business?” and alador says “sure”. and then poof, they’re married just the same as raeda the undying lovefest
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drachenfalter · 1 year
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You know what? I know it might not be canon, but I really should try to incorporate the whole "Witches ears are an important part of their body language" idea into my writing.
Of course that gets especially interesting for human-witch interactions (e.g. Lumity misinterpreting body language because they are in fact not part of the same species)
and also for witches in the human realm, who have to hide their ears to blend in (Maybe there's a cultural stigma against hiding you ears!)
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celreniaworld · 2 years
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Like obviously all the land is Titan Corpse, but they gotta be resting on the sea floor or else they're floating in the sea. Which considering the titan's position, can't be the case. So there is a bottom under the ocean
So my question is... Are there tectonic plates? Earthquakes? Tsunamis? How does this world work?
A lot of geothermal vents and underwater volcanoes combined with excess body heat from the titan could also explain why the sea is always boiling. Which if the case means there's gotta be some kinda tectonic activity going on
Also tsunamis would be a helluva lot more dangerous in the demon realm than human cuz of said boiling sea Hmm
Please Dana Terrance I want to know
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writesailingdreams · 2 years
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@hermionegrangerandarocketship re: tags #also could that be why belos was talking abt her having an intuition w the glyphs that he didn’t #and why she lillith and eda figured out combinations so quickly
Oh yes! Very much!
It could also and additionally be influenced by how the Titan (in the case of Luz, Eda and Lilith with King) feels about the individual trying to learn glyph magic. Greater fondness or connection leads to quicker comprehension/access.
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salamander-spark · 8 days
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Skeletal Anatomy of a Basilisk
I've been thinking about Basilisk anatomy stuff for my brainstorming, and I thought it would be cool to show what I think their skeletons would be like, cause snakes are cool...
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yeah, and I wanted to practice drawing bones and body shapes (fun that I don't have to worry about drawing the pelvis, that thing is such a wierd shape), I've never drawn so many ribs before, but thats what snakes are like.
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I know many people have different interpretations on what Vee being smaller/more humanoid than the other basilisks means. Some people say she's a different species (lesser basilisk, hybrid etc), But I always got the impression she was much younger than the rest of them.
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Apparently, certain kinds of pythons are able to regulate their body temp and generate heat in special conditions.
I think Basilisks are naturally cold blooded, but can expend magic in order to keep their body temperature high in cold climates. Maybe some who have lived in cold climates for a long period of time naturally have adaptations, like increased body fur and cold resistant scales. The idea of Basilisks being able to adapt to their unique situations is such a cool concept, I wish we knew more about them in the show.
I also like drawing Vee with a more realistic appearance while also staying true to her canon proportions in relation to the other characters.
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I liked finding a balace between more humanoid skulls, and more Boa/Python skulls, I think what I came up with was pretty cool looking. They can definitely open their jaws super wide, as shown by the inspector (Or at least greater Basilisks can):
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I had fun on these drawings, and coming up with ideas, I'd like to hear your thoughts.
In an earlier post I said I was brainstorming for a potential fanfic. It's been super slow and I can't get my brain to start writing anything. That's always been my weakness, same with school writing. Maybe once summer comes, I can practice more with writing for fun and actually get somewhere. Just average struggles, IDK where I'm going with this and why I'm writing this down.
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rise-any-word-back · 2 days
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