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Limbus Company: Deep Analysis of Sin

So, I decided to take a deeper dive into the different sin types in Limbus Company.

The TLDR Version:

Wrath - Unable to accept something

Lust - Having a strong desire

Sloth - Losing sight

Gluttony - Satisfaction-seeking

Gloom - Controlled by pain

Pride - Contempt of others/selfishness

Envy - Desire to surpass

Regarding the sinners' skills, the sin position is important as well. A S1 sin is a surface-level appearance, but S3 represents something deep inside them.

The detailed explanations are under the cut!

Wrath

Wrath, on the surface level, can present as being irritable or hard to get along with.

Wrath S1 examples

LCB Ishmael, who seems irritable and nitpicky at first.

Seven Heathcliff "Why am I doing this stupid job?"

Hook Office Hong Lu "Don't speak so softly, I'll feel homicidal"

S2 gets closer to how they really feel. The feeling of wrath comes from the feeling of "I can't accept this" - whether it's how they're being treated, how their environment is, etc.

Wrath S2 examples

LCB Heathcliff (past speculation) - Discriminated, mistreated, resenting what's happening to him

LCB Sinclair (past) - I don't want to get prosthetics

W Corp Hong Lu - Bored with his job.

And S3 wrath represents a strong rejection - they won't accept Anything they deem contrary to their own beliefs and ideals. It is a violent refusal.

Wrath S3 examples

N corp identities who are brainwashed - Kill all the dissenters and heretics.

Pequod Ishmael - "It's MY way or the HIGHWAY, god damn it!" (Throws a fit if another ID kills an enemy)

R Corp Ishmael - Hates it to the point she's looking for Singularity information of old R corp

LCB Rodya - I can't accept this armchair revolution and endless poverty. I have to kill this old windbag.

Lust

Lust in this case is a pursuit of something non-physical - a relationship, an ideal, a core element of your self. On the surface level, this can present as really wanting to be something.

Lust S1 Examples

LCB Don Quixote - Wants to become a great Fixer.

W Corp Ryoshu - Wants to be a great artist.

Sous Chef Gregor - Wants to improve his cooking.

S2 is a little stronger than just normal desire. They will willingly hurt other people or trample them to achieve their goal.

Lust S2 Examples

Tingtang Gangleader Hong Lu - Uses violence and is callous to those invading his turf

The One Who Grips Faust - Massacres Sinclair's village to get what she wants

LCB Ryoshu - Her idea of beauty ties in with violence

S3 is a little different - It's desiring something so badly on an existential level. It's pretty much what they live for.

Lust S3 Examples

R.B. Chef Ryoshu - Needs to be one of the Eight. Will stop at nothing to achieve this.

N Corp Heathcliff - Not brainwashed, doesn't really want to be. Wants to preserve his "true self".

G Corp Gregor - After an irreversible transformation, fully believes his reason to exist is to be a killing machine.

Interestingly, both LCB Heathcliff and Hong Lu have a Lust S3.

Sloth

Sloth is inaction, watching from the sidelines, not seeing what is in front of you. This can start with just simply being misguided, believing something to be true when it's not.

Sloth S1 Examples

W Corp Don Quixote - "I am working at a Wing!! CHOO CHOO!! Sally forth!!"

LCB Outis - Her piss-poor act of blind acceptance and obedience.

LCB Meursault - It is simply none of my business if Sinclair hyperventilates and vomits on the floor.

S2 sloth is more purposeful, not taking action when one should or purposefully being ignorant of reality.

LCB Faust - Does not tell Dante and the others a lot of information and doesn't stop sinners from running amok.

LCB Hong Lu - Despite being perceptive, does not seem to register bad situations as bad or react to pain appropriately.

G Corp Gregor - This feels wrong but I'll just continue with it anyway.

S3 sloth is a total loss of vision, not being able to see what's important to them. Losing sight of all they used to desire, and doing nothing about it.

Dieci IDs - Lost their memory and doesn't even remember what was most important to them.

K Corp Hong Lu - Doesn't seem to mind his total loss of freedom and autonomy, despite desiring freedom in other IDs.

LCB Yi Sang - Could not care about anything he once loved or aspired to be, until he was able to gain his wings once more.

Blade Lineage Don Quixote - Once used her strength to fight alongside her comrades, but now kills for purely her own sake.

Gluttony

Gluttony is a desire to be satisfied, whether it's something material or psychological. This can present like greed or selfishness at first sight.

S1 Gluttony Examples

LCB Rodya - "I want meat, I want money, I want to gamble!"

LCB Ryoshu - "Let me smoke. Let me do as I please."

Lantern EGO Don Quixote - Curious about the abnormalities and wanting to know more about them

S2 Gluttony is wanting more at a crucial point in their life, or desiring more than they could chew. It could also mean getting hooked into something or addicted.

S2 Gluttony Examples

LCB Ishmael - "I quit my job, I need something that's not labour hellscape... Hm? That hag can sure talk..."

R Corp Heathcliff - Began deriving enjoyment from killing

N Corp Don Quixote - Didn't even need the brainwashing, got hooked onto the N Corp ideology herself

S3 Gluttony seems to be the final stage of seeking what they desire - being satisfied, even when they shouldn't be.

S3 Gluttony Examples

Tingtang Gangleader Hong Lu - Seems completely happy and enjoying himself

Seven Heathcliff - Actually learned to like his job

W Corp Hong Lu - Doesn't want praise or a raise, just fine with how things are now

Gloom

Gloom represents pain, and how it affects how the person treats their situation or other people. On the surface level, they may appear melancholic or having given up.

S1 Gloom Examples

LCB Yi Sang, LCB Gregor - Self explanatory.

Rosespanner Meursault - Crushed by work

R Corp Ishmael - Headache, pain, does not like it here

S2 Gloom is a moment of despair, when something in their heart was broken. This may also involve guilt and inflicting pain.

W Corp Don Quixote and most W Corp IDs (Except Hong Lu and Ryoshu) - The shocking reveal of what W Corp really is.

N Corp Heathcliff - "What the hell am I even doing??"

Lobotomy EGO Heathcliff - "All my friends are dead."

S3 Gloom can represent letting their pain affect how they treat others. Lashing out, being insensitive to others' pain, or simply giving up and accepting the hurt as inescapable.

W Corp Yi Sang - Abandoned hopes for freedom, just wants it to hurt a little less

G Corp Outis - Knows she cannot escape the unfair treatment

LCB Ishmael - Lashes out and hurts others because she is deeply hurting, making it more painful for her too

Pride

Pride is the belief that they are different from other people, and so the rules don't apply to them. This can seem as arrogance at first, even if they are not actually like that.

S1 Pride Examples

LCB Sinclair - Rich boy 1

LCB Hong Lu - Rich boy 2

LCB Faust - Doesn't hide that she thinks she's better than everyone else

S2 Pride can contain disdain for other people, and believing they are better than those around them. Therefore, their actions can be excused in their eyes.

S2 Pride Examples

LCB Meursault and LCB Outis - Competent and they know it themselves. Outis thinks of her comrades as dirt and points and laughs when they die.

W Corp Ryoshu - Her art comes from chopping up the dead and deformed passengers, doesn't give a single shit about them

LCB Rodya - Believed she was special enough to make a difference and split the hag's skull.

S3 pride goes a step further - their own desires take precedence over anyone else's. They may even see other people's lives as literally the same as a blade of grass. If they want something, they'll trample everything and anything.

S3 Pride Examples

The One Who Grips Faust - Probably doesn't even give a shit about the grand ideology or her minions. Just did it because she could, and wanted to.

The Middle Little Sister Don Quixote - "I can kill anyone who disrespected my organization!"

LCB Ryoshu - Has the littlest regard for human life.

Envy

Envy can start out with the simple desire to surpass someone, to become better than others. To want more than what other people have.

S1 Envy Examples

Tingtang Gangleader Hong Lu - Began wanting to be stronger, to have more power.

LCB Heathcliff - Rich bastards are annoying, they don't deserve it more than I do

Shi Ishmael - Just wants to survive in a world of dog eat dog

S2 envy is the need to be better than what you once were, to surpass yourself and get something accomplished.

S2 Envy Examples

LCB Yi Sang - Bettered his own craft and created the mirror.

Pequod Members - Lay their past self to rest, and opted to hunt the whale.

R.B. Chef Ryoshu - Wants to make better and better pies

S3 Envy is the result of their desire to surpass - or that they have accomplished something, but with a heavy price.

S3 Envy Examples

W Corp Ryoshu - Extremely powerful, but her sword will suck up her health if she doesn't charge it properly.

R Corp Heathcliff - Gained insane power but lost something important to him in the process.

LCB Sinclair - Was able to avoid getting prosthetics but his whole family dead.

Pequod Heathcliff - Managed to get out of the Middle but is covered in scars he can't erase.

I will continue to write more specific theories, but this is how I feel about the sin affinities right now! I'd love to write about EGO and enemies as well soon.

#reblog #love seeing other people's takes on this! #there's a lot of different ways one can read the sins #depending on what angle one takes #so it's interesting to see where my own theories overlap and where they differ

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so like.

so like. hey. are we gonna talk about the fact that this discussion of 'rich folks with screwed-up perversions' involving human sacrifice is the first time we've ever seen hong lu, known rich boy from fucked up rich family, say "uh" or otherwise show this kind of hesitation and then immediately change the subject. or like are we gonna let this one slip by-

#reblog #hong lu #hi im still lowkey death #but hong lu backpedalling and deflecting and shit is like #a very common occurence #pachi here gave some very good examples here already #another good one is hell's chicken where hong lu changes the subject with the “oh suddenly i don't know what word to use to describe it!” #when rodya and heathcliff start trying to get him to admit what could shock him so badly that he'd distort #and then later in the same intervallo he actively changes the subject to focus on meursault leading the cooking efforts #which even dante notes as being specifically so that hong lu doesn't get his turn at being criticised #i could go on

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Ok, so just thinking when you were saying something about not being a kin to Hong Lu. Is it possible you develop ideology/identities when introduced to a character and it manifests? Or is it something else? If you don't want to answer this, then don't worry about it. If it's hard to navigate it, then it's totally understandable. When I saw your profile, it just stirred my curiosity and I wanted to learn more about it.

Tbh I have no idea. I already have weird identity issues because of Cluster B Bullshit(TM), and I relate to Hong Lu extremely heavily because his circumstances mirror my own to an almost unreasonable degree. It's probably got something to do with that.

It's not as bad as it used to be, but at some point it got so bad that I had to change who the character on my main Limbus screen was because seeing and listening to Hong Lu made me dissociate. So y'know, there's that.

#ask #utakim #lu speaketh #sorry for being kinda dead here #will probably keep being dead #thumbs up while crying emoji

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is this anything

#katana zero #zero #zero kz #zero katana zero #hollow knight #ghost hk #ghost hollow knight #the knight #my art #the joke is indie games with sequels/dlcs in development hell

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Some Zero shitpost redraws because I fell into a contentless behavior type mood

Original images under cut

#katana zero #zero #zero kz #zero katana zero #little girl kz #little girl katana zero #katana zero shitposts #my art

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No thoughts, only meow meows.

#katana zero #zero #zero kz #zero katana zero #fifteen #fifteen kz #fifteen katana zero #my art #to those who might have been wondering where i've been #the answer is i got hit with a new hyperfixation #i'd say i'm sorry to my limbus followers but i'm not #go play katana zero it's really fucking good

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god. canto 5 dungeon was SUCH an experience

#reblog #not to prev tags #but prev tags so much

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Remembered an ask you got about how the Middle may be matriarchal and Part 2 added more wood to that fire: Ricardo mentions a Great Sister being a thing (he makes no mention of Great Brother, but that rank may exist).

True!

#ask #vivienna-vivid #lu speaketh #limbus company #canto 5 #canto v #lcb spoilers #canto 5 spoilers #canto v spoilers

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It just occured to me that the new Middle IDs being all about envy really adds a lot of credence to your "envy represents retaliation and response to the actions of others rather than just jealousy" analysis

Yessssss.

#ask #anon #lu speaketh #limbus company

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Canto 5 Part 2 Spoilers

So the Indigo Elder is like totally Santiago, right. Add another one to the list of required readings for Limbus.

#lu speaketh #limbus company #lcb spoilers #canto 5 #canto v #canto 5 spoilers #canto v spoilers

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Hey gang no meme with this one but hot question for the Limbus gang- Why am I still seeing people he/him-ing Dante

Where did you people come from? Has the plot not been clear enough for you?

no but like deadass

I've legit reached a point seeing some NEW posts (I won't name names) where I'm like "Oh ok cool theor- Ah- they used "He" for Dante- oh ok this person's opinions are now 100% invalid, moving on"

legit why are we still doing this- Even NPCs meeting them for the first time use they/them for them-

AND IF EVEN THEIR ENEMIES DON'T MISGENDER THEM, YOU GUYS SHOULDN'T EITHER

Also if you pull the "Oh, well they cant remember their gender but may have had one before their memory loss so I'm using he/him because of what they used to be" card?

1- You don't know that they started as a guy- they could have even been a woman- who knows- we only hear ticking- Also you know what, even Faust, WHO CLAIMS TO KNOW WHO THEY WERE BEFORE, at least to a degree, ALSO uses they/them for them, so checkmate

2- A character/person doesn't NEED to have a reason/memory loss to be nonbinary- They could very well have been NB even BEFORE the memory loss- Its not like its uncommon in canon- I could be remembering wrong but I think like. most of the Wonderlab gang was only referred to by they/them- most of them looked pretty fem- still they/them though. (At least the translation I read)

3- I'm beating you to death with hammers

#reblog #yeah just full agree #i have seen some people who formerly he/him'd dante actually try to use they/them though which is encouraging #because it shows it really wasn't them being malicious and just being misinformed #i think that's the camp most people fall into #what pisses me off is the people who encourage people to continue he/him'ing dante After those people apologize for doing that #those assholes are actual fucking scum

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I have a bit of a crackpot theory that the Pinky is based on "pinky promises", effectively assurances and bonds entirely on a trust system rather than through physical contracts. Their Finger being scarred and bandaged up could be symbolic of those who falter on their promises and get punished as a result

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Yeah it's not unlikely.

#anon #ask #lu speaketh #limbus company #project moon

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Ishmael icon I made for my discord server mimicking prerelease art we have for some of the sinners :) I wanted to get a new icon on there to celebrate canto 5 but completely forgot to share it here😭

#reblog #yeeeeaaaaah!

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You think the Middle is matriarchal? Like, Middle!Meur seems to be a regular goon while Middle!Don seemed to be a crew leader of sorts. Just a theory tho

It's not at all unlikely from what we know! (Story spoilers under cut)

The way Smee talks about the repercussions of her death is very specific. "[...]a Big Brother or even a Big Sister would've gone after you." That use of even there makes it clear that the Big Sister being involved would be a far more impressive threat than that of a Big Brother.

#ask #dtgvxg #lu speaketh #limbus company #canto 5 spoilers #lcb spoilers #canto 5 #canto v spoilers #canto v

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What do you think is yi Sang / hong lus fave ice cream flavor

Does this answer your question.

#ask #leoxtheman #lu speaketh #thank you to the dear friend that made sinner orders in papa's freezeria and who is the reason these screenshots exist #as now i can show these creations to the world #limbus company #hongsang

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hark ye. a small palm-sized gummysang stands in your path. would you like to gift him the whale iced cream

(thank you for all the analysis posts i appreciate them and eat them for brunch. regards, a gremlin)

Yes.

Yes by god I would.

#ask #iamjustagremlin #lu speaketh #wahhhh thank youuu #both for the gummysang and the kind words