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mirror-ralsei · 7 months
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THEORY: Deeeltaaruuuneeee
You know, despite all the intense speculation about Deltarune - its dialogue, its music, its merchandise... - there's one obvious piece of foreshadowing that no one seems to think about. A critical piece. One that's been under our nose the whole time.
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The title.
Today we're going to deep dive into the title drop of Deltarune, its connections to Undertale and Deltarune, and speculate about what it could be foreshadowing in the future.
VISUALS
Deltarune's title appears with a notable wavering, almost interlacing effect. We've seen this effect before.
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Asriel causes this when using HYPER GONER.
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And though the Memoryheads have more scan lines and desync than the Deltarune title, it's still an incredibly similar visual that stands out in the game.
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A similar wavering sort of effect also appears during Undyne the Undying's deformation and reformation.
I wonder if this effect might represent holding on through determination.
At her true death, Undyne the Undying begins to visibly melt, which we're told by Alphys is what's supposed to happen to monsters who contain high amounts of determination. So, it would follow that when she's wavering as she's clinging to life through determination, that's also an intended visual.
And if that's true of Undyne, it could be true of the Memoryheads, who have the same kind of effect. It would make sense, as they are amalgamates, whose very premise is based on the presence of determination.
So, the logo fading in with a wavering interlacing effect might mean that it represents something - or someone - returning to life through determination.
Of course, that's just my best guess. Maybe it represents something completely different - or nothing at all. But both the Memoryheads and Undyne the Undying hold a lot of apparent Deltarune references, and I wouldn't be surprised if their wavering effects were one of them, tying them into the same phenomenon that's happening to the logo.
There's something interesting happening during the logo's disappearance. Keep your eye on the SOUL at the center to observe it more easily.
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The logo is not just fading out - its parts seem to be undergoing some kind of mathematical transformation, causing them to multiply, and fade out as they do so.
If any math fans know what specific formula or transformation is being used here, that would be great to know, but as far as I can figure, whatever is happening to the parts are being reflected across multiple axes.
This concept of reflection as division appears several times in Deltarune. I've delved into it here.
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Basically, we have this recurring idea that in order to multiply something, you have to divide it in half. Once divided, both halves are no longer the same as the original, resembling it though they may. You could say they're both "reflections" of the original.
That seems reminiscent of what's happening here.
The SOUL, and all the other parts of the logo, appear to be divided again and again, gradually fading with each division until there's nothing left of them.
This may have concerning implications for the plot.
I'm not sure what, exactly, this whole reflection-division concept is building up to, but it's definitely setting up something. And watching this soul and the rest of the title being reflected and divided so many times that it fades out of existence... well, you can't help but worry. There's a lot of wild conjecture we could launch from here, but I'll leave that to you.
There's one more thing here worth noticing. Deltarune is a parallel story to Undertale. If we compare their logos, they look fairly similar. Both are white text on a black background with a red heart in the center letter. But there are a couple of interesting differences.
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First, Undertale's logo is comprised of detailed pixels, while Deltarune's is made of blocky letters.
This gives Deltarune's logo the impression of a game with old-school, scan-line-looking graphics (if someone knows what this is called please lmk lol), while Undertale's logo looks like that of a more modern game by comparison.
Interestingly, this is kind of inverse to the presentations of the games themselves. The pixel count in Deltarune is notably higher than that of Undertale. But here, it's the opposite.
(Side note: It also might be worth noting that as of the Sweepstakes, the Ice Palace also appears to be in this old-school style.)
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Second, and most importantly, UNDERTALE is depicted in all caps. The visual logo for DELTARUNE is actually presented in all lowercase: "deltarune."
This is important in a series that has consistently used uppercase and lowercase as some kind of recurring element.
One quick example is when Sans explains the Level of Violence acronym: "you never gained LOVE, but you gained love. does that make sense?"
But it's not all acronyms. There's many other interesting usages throughout the series, such as Asgore's name being alternately presented normally or in all-caps, or the presence of certain titles in the soundtracks being in all-caps for no discernible reason.
We still don't really know what this element is meant to represent. But we do know that whatever it means, it is present between the "deltarune" and "UNDERTALE" logos.
Like with so many things here, we do have to wait on more information to truly understand the meaning. But once we know more about the reflection-division and uppercase-lowercase elements, then the multiplying, differently cased logos should also fall into place.
SOUND
The Deltarune title audio seems comprised of three parts: a sound reminiscent of a collective inhale or gasp, followed by a robotic voice saying "DELTARUNE," followed by a mixture of two types of sounds - one reminiscent of a collective exhale, the other a series of discordant chimes - that gradually fade out.
As many have pointed out, the opening sound in the Deltarune title is just an echoey version of the sound that plays when transitioning up from the Dark World to the Light World in Castle Town: snd_dtrans_lw.
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Awesome! We have a confirmed connection for the beginning part of the audio. Surely this will provide some insight?
Well... not really...?
While we know a little bit more about the Light vs Dark World concept than we do about, say, the reflection-division concept, I feel we're still not much closer to understanding the meaning behind this sound effect.
I mean, the information we have here is pretty limited. The sound is used when Kris and Susie rise back up to the Light World, which could tell us that the title audio relates to something (whatever the title is representing here) rising up a level, too. If you want to stretch, taking the allegorical into account, maybe it represents some "fictional" or "escapist" elements becoming more "real." This has kind of been alluded to already, with Susie wanting to bring the Darkners into the Light World because it's just "better" than real life, and Berdly and Noelle agreeing and wanting to create Dark Fountains.
Beyond that...there's not much here, that I can think of. If anything, the usage of this audio in the title drop is more important for telling us the in-game usage is important than the other way around. We kind of have to know what the title represents to be able to know the significance of it "rising up"/transitioning between worlds would be.
There's also the sound effect that plays when Noelle or the others "get stronger," which kind of resembles an altered version of dtrans_lw, and would provide some more context if true... but I can't be certain.
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Anyway, let's continue onward.
Next up is the robotic-sounding voice saying "DELTARUNE."
This appears to be a text-to-speech voice. Moreover, the TTS voice appears to be one of the same ones from abc_123_a.ogg.
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This is notable because that TTS is also used for Gaster's text noise in "room_gaster" (Entry 17).
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In other words, it's very possible that the voice saying "Deltarune" is supposed to be Gaster's.
This isn't really as shocking as it seems. Gaster very much appears to be the framing device around Deltarune as an entire game - he gives it to us as SURVEY_PROGRAM, and communicates to us during Game Overs and save file screens. The title being another part of the game's framing, it wouldn't really be a surprise that he'd be here too.
If we do assume the voice belongs to Gaster, the more interesting questions become why he's able to speak a fully voiced word, and why the voice sounds so...strained. One can almost imagine someone desperately leaving a final message, or barely managing to contact someone, before subsequently fading out. All subjective, but interesting to think about.
The final part might be the most mysterious.
There are two main overlapping kinds of sounds playing here: a collective sigh or moan that gradually fades out, and a variety of discordant notes.
Regarding the sigh, I don't know for sure. The most simple guess would be that, if the inhale-sounding sound represents transitioning upwards from Dark to Light World, then perhaps the exhale-sounding sound represents the inverse - transitioning downwards from Light to Dark World.
The only problem with this assumption is that Kris and Susie do transition downwards from the Light World to the Dark World, and the different sound effects that have played so far don't really sound exhale-y at all. So that part's a mystery.
The other overlapping sound jumps out instantly, though.
An immediate association, to me, is Snowgrave.
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Although these notes in the Snowgrave sound effect are much clearer than the distorted ones in the Deltarune title, they both are seemingly random- and discordant-sounding, and the sound itself is reminiscent of chimes.
But there is another instance of this kind of sound.
During the Chapter 1 livestream, many tiny differences were added to the game's build for the purposes of the stream. One such difference was the forest room containing the ballerina-type enemies.
In this room, visuals were added resembling the gray star-like sparkles that also seem present during Snowgrave's animation.
And a feature was added where interacting with the ballerinas would cause them to play a bunch of discordant, glass-like sounds.
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Toby Fox was unusually cryptic about this change. He describes the sounds only as "a horrible noise," and when asked what they're saying, replies, "Secret. Never ask a dog that question."
So, it seems likely there's some intended mystery surrounding this difference, and it is unusual to me that the ballerinas' chimes are so similarly chaotic as Snowgrave and the title audio.
Personally, my best guess is that it has something to do with the silvery sparkles. "snd_snowgrave" notably does NOT include the preceding chimes - which play while the sparkles are floating out of Noelle's hands. The livestream ballerina enemy area seems to once again associate these chimes with the presence of sparkles.
If that's the case, then maybe the chimes at the end of the title audio have something to do with the sparkles.
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Of course, to those without a music theory background like most of us, sound perception seems pretty subjective. Three sounds that all sound like a bunch of glassy, discordant notes to my ears could actually be completely unrelated.
So take this with a grain of salt. The only truly solid information we have is that the Deltarune logo voice seems to use the same TTS as abc_123 and Gaster. The rest is speculation.
But if these similarities are intentional, and those chiming sounds in the title audio are supposed to represent something to do with Snowgrave, that's obviously not a good sign.
CONCLUSION
While I don't think we have all the puzzle pieces just yet, we do have a variety of clues that give off a strong tone about what's going on. This is my suspicion:
The Deltarune title is depicting a tragedy.
Something bad is happening here.
The strained and desperate voice, the inhaled gasp, the collective sigh as a discordant collection of sounds and reflections fade out into nothingness... it's not looking good.
We know Gaster met with an unfortunate fate, and it's his voice that's speaking to us. We know dividing something causes the original to be forever altered and lost, and the SOUL and everything else that makes up the title seems to be undergoing that until it's reduced to nothingness. We know Undyne reformed herself through determination with a similar visual to the logo's appearance, but like Undyne, the logo ends up fading out anyway.
And let's be honest. We know something bad has happened to Deltarune before.
Gaster wants us to make "a new future" with him. One that shines with hope. ("Unlike the old future" perhaps implied.) He specifically made his appearance known in Undertale to players with low levels of violence.
By contrast, this implies something dark and terrible happened to Deltarune's universe in the past. It's in all the little things. Alphys sets the stage with Mew Mew 2's darker storyline. Kris' birdcage has "seen a lot of crashes," and they certainly act like this isn't their first time being possessed. Sans has seen his share of bad timelines, and in the casino dialogue, talks about back when he was less experienced, when one time he witnessed an especially bad snow. Spamton knows exactly what will happen to Kris on a Weird Route, as if he's already seen it - almost as if he's been frozen for years inside rings and behind mysterious locked doors. Noelle claims she doesn't know what Snowgrave is, but also stares off into the freezer, and can't remember what she's done. There's characters preparing for a particularly bad winter. And then there's the perpetual threat of the Roaring, and Ralsei's haunted expression when he describes it, like he's seen it before. There's the fact that we fall down into an evacuated town within a barren landscape of darkness and eyes. The title screen, after all this, plays a mournful piano song over an image of the three heroes at Worlds' Edge. Before the Story.
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So, is it really any surprise?
There's so much writing on the walls about Deltarune having repeating, tragic elements, and the title drop seems no exception.
Will we be the ones to break the cycle, and change Deltarune's future? Or is the fate depicted in the title the only possible outcome?
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anglerflsh · 1 year
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I'm having a normal one about wanting to get out of highschool btw
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gideonisms · 1 year
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it's really irritating and difficult to live my life sometimes and for what? not striving to accomplish any huge goals here but the tiny ones, are also excruciating,
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helennorvilles · 7 months
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have spent a nice 40 minutes or so reteaching myself algebra and practicing so i don't embarrass myself in front of the children again tomorrow
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scandalousadventures · 4 months
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This is the type of chart that really puts the universe into the realistically objective yet utterly unfathomable perspective that subjective human minds can only hope to comprehend.
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Good god! How can you compare this to anything? How can one hope to describe this in any way other than a series of infinitely lengthening numbers? Human language can barely suffice. We can only make do with approximations; 1.9 repeating is equivalent to 2, after all. This is what cosmic horror stems from! It's indescribable!
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natequarter · 1 year
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i am so fucking glad i never have to study maths again because like, i legitimately cannot read numbers, lmao
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deanpinterester · 1 year
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i feel like my anxiety is getting easier to trigger and i hate it. i would watch one (1) moderately messed-up movie and then be all nervous and down for the next few days and i feel panicked about SLEEPING, which has gotta be the stupidest part of all. this didn't use to happen!! at least not to the extent that it happens now. idk. does anyone who deal with anxiety have any tips on how to just like. be mentally stronger. or to recover from an attack better.
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cassandrattpd · 4 months
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yesterday i had a panic attack at work and sobbed for over an hour at my desk in front of all of my coworkers bc i was frozen to the spot and couldn't like...move myself to a different area at the very least. and i embarrassed the fuck out of myself and now i'm afraid of the new job that i loved 🙃
#i just want to have all the answers and i don't and the more people try to reassure me i'm still just learning the more upset i get!!!!#then i couldnt even come home bc HE was trying to comfort me and tell me the same shit#and its like it doesmt matter that ill eventually get it!!!!!!!! i dont get it RIGHT NOW and right now is what matters if you want me to#start taking incoming calls from clients who want me to explain it TO THEM!!!!#like i understand the basics of our software but i dont understand basic accounting math AT. ALL. which is part of what our software does so#if i get a call about that even if i understand what the software is supposed to do in theory i dont understand the fucking math!!!!!!!#i just look at it and it means NOTHING to me it might as well just be scribbles on a wall#and it doesnt matter to a client if im new and their books are messed up all that matters is that im stupid and cant help them and then i#freeze and therein lies the problem#the expectation is that i 'learn' using real people's real problems as examples and emotionally i cant handle the weight of NOT FIXING#A PROBLEM I'M EXPECTED TO FIX#my trauma response relies heavily on 'if i just fix the problem ill be safe' so when i cant fix it i literally revert to fucking infancy#which makes me great at customer service bc I'll go to any lengths to help you!!!!!!! but i dont feel like i have the tools to do that yet#amd i dont know how to explain that to my boss without making me sound even more useless than he is probably already perceiving me after#what happened yesterday
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hollowwhisperings · 11 months
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ASOI&Data: Life Expectancies of Targaryen Monarchs, Sums Only.
The average, "natural" lifespan for a Targaryen monarch is 47 years.
The average life expectancy of a Targaryen monarch is 43.6 years or 43 years & ~7 months.
The average "reign" (years survived post-coronation) of a Targaryen monarch is 14.39 years or 14 years & ~3 months.
(This average is skewed by Jaehaerys I, who reigned for 55 years, and misrepresents how "consistent" Targaryen rule was: 4 of the 18 monarchs included reigned no longer than 2 years at most.)
The average age of a Targaryen monarch at their (first) wedding is 15.54 years or ~16 years old.
The average age a Targaryen monarch first became a parent is 19.61 years.
With Aegon the Conquering Outlier removed, the average becomes 18.5 years instead.
(this calculation does not account for any illegitimate children conceived prior or during marriage)
18 Monarchs were used for these calculations, Rhaenyra I & Aegon II both included and with Aerys II as the last recognised monarch of the dynasty.
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grendelsmilf · 2 years
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which sick fuck decided that the first branch of physics everyone should learn is kinematics, the most boring area of physics, or perhaps anything. and then e&m??????? dedicating so much time to circuits???????? for why??????? if not for the fact that my cool as fuck middle school science teacher went against the curriculum and taught us intro to quantum just bc he felt like it, I never would’ve pursued a degree in astrophysics I would’ve written off the entire subject forever. gaslighting & gatekeeping at its finest !
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good-enemy · 11 months
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I feel like I haven't revised enough for this exam but every time I open something to revise I'm like yes i already understand this but ahhhh at the same time I feel like i don't understand anythingg 😭
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bubbloquacious · 1 year
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Son of a bitch. Complete lattices are the same thing as algebras over the power set monad.
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on-noon · 1 year
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For the OC prompts!
Horatio 10: Doing whatever they’re really good at :D
Horatio was curled up in a chair, reading a history book.
"Horatio!" his dad called, "Can you help me with something?"
Horatio put a sheet of paper that had his math work in the book and went over to his dad's office.
"You have requested help. With what is your struggle?" he said.
"I'm supposed to allocate all the different mages in the region to their different posts, but there's too many different rules and requirements. Could you deal with it?"
"I can try. But you should probably get someone to at least double-check it," Horatio said.
He took the papers from his father, and spread them out on the dining room table. He took some papers and set about the problem. He read through all the requirements, then translated them all into math notation. From there it was a simple logic problem. Find out the minimum amount for each position, and then subtract that from the available mages. Then with the more complicated rules, like one mage must have a flexible assignment for every five mages stationed in a city. There can't be more mages who deal with enforcing law than who heal. Horatio takes a mental note to figure out why that rule exists, and takes all the rules and puts them into a matrix. He then is safely in the realm of numbers and grinds through the calculations.
The numbers start to fall in line, and he starts to get a few answers, and others fall into equations. He simply figures out what numbers he needs to put into the equations to get out integers, can't have a three quarters mage after all.
He takes the numbers back to his father.
"Here you go. I think it's right."
His dad looks at the paper. "I'll see if your sister will look over this. She's good at catching math mistakes. Thank you."
words written for this ask: 115
total words for motivation experiment: 14,162
project worked on: Countdown to Magic
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bytebun · 2 years
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#having a bit of a ‘your degree is useless and you don’t know how to do anything’ moment tonight which is actually#a crisis I’ve been putting off for two years now so abt time I guess lol#like I know this isn’t true like ok on the scale of very practical immediately applicable degrees engineering is… up there.#somebody’s gotta build the gotdamned bridges#except all my experience is in software and idk what to do with that#like without getting into the working is hell and might make me physically I’ll (won’t know until I try I guessl#(except that the four month internships pretty much put me in a depressive spiral that made me miss /school/ of all things )#what the hell is software even good for like the forward motion of the tech industry is just. evil#Would rather die than contribute to that no offense to my friends & classmates#Who I really do wish all the best but clearly do not care about like. Well. Stuff.#Like the answer is obviously capitalism but how the hell is it that new grads are getting paid 200k a year#‘How the hell am I an essential worker’ bourgeoisie edition#Research is like. It rlly helps w a lot of my Problems as a job the flexibility + allowance for hyperfixation#But the stuff I’m doing feels so far removed from what ppl urgently need#Also I will start screaming in frustration if I’m stuck doing theory I need to get hands on I don’t want to write grant apps or whatever#I just want to make stuff that helps ppl#and like I KNOW I’m not stupid I’m /good/ at that I could be good at it but Where The Hell Am I Supposed to Go#it feels like the stuff I should be working on is like. policy or infrastructure or you know. other things that require soft skills#What the hell is an app update gonna do. But also I’m bad at/don’t care abt those things I don’t wanna do math I wanna make stuff.#the math is necessary but if my job was mostly that I wouldn’t b able to take it. More built to be a craftsman than an engineer I guess.#I just want to do the equivalent of fixing ppls engines and heaters and coming up w a new sewage system around a small town. I can’t even#do that though :/ I don’t have the knowledge for it#Was leaning towards going back to assistive tech but I really…… I really don’t think throwing more tech at things is the best answer#for any of these problems#bytebun rambles#also like fuck part of me DOES want the stability 2 years at a big company would give#like yeah I DO want money and I know I could have it for an endurable price#This is just normal young adult shit tho whatever<= trying to calm the beast
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void-tiger · 1 year
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Therapist: if you’re diagnosed (and you prolly will be; regardless you’re clearly neurodivergant) adhd drugs could really help you feel better
My brain: haha bad little boy drug go brrrr
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michael-pemulis · 1 year
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local woman pouring knowledge about graph coloring problems into her mind over the course of roughly 72 hours and you can bet your ass it will ooze right back out again after my presentation
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