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puppetsoftomorrow · 3 years

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okay so i've been seeing 'should we have an avalance sex scene' posts and so i'm going ramble abt my thoughts under the cut. lets go lmao. obvs a bit nsfw.

i think this conversation is a weird one to have because at the moment i've seen a lot of 'should we have sex scenes in general' discourse, which i think is kinda dumb. like the answer is going to be a maybe for most media, ranging for a yes in some films to like a hard no in like ... teletubbies lmao. in general, i think there exists some media with unnesecary and creepy sex scenes, and some media with genuinely emotional sex scenes, and some gratutious-but-thats-okay sex scenes. its a wide range lmao. each should be judged on its own merits.

also, i think what counts as a sex scene is different for most people. like some people count a sex scene as the fully-clothed-falling-into-bed scene (the ol' avalance favourite lmao) to any degree of nakedness, to a full on hands-and-moans-and-orgasm scene. i think clarifying this is also important, not only bcos theres like... rules to what u can show on tv but different vibes for different shows right

also, i think what people are comfortable with is a deeply personal feeling. some people want them to go all the way, some people are uncomfortable with any kind of portrayl of sex on film. this is also dependent on age. i think this is important to bear in mind when discussing this, like - sometimes there is no objective measure on wether sex in film is good or bad, sometimes its just a personal feeling lmao

so, lets take it from the top:

1. talking about sex - completly fine. they do it on legends all the time. implying that they're going to have sex later, talking about kinky stuff.. its part and parcel for legends lol

2. make out scene - god we need better avalance kisses lmao. better lit, primarily. however they do kiss quite a lot, so generally, no compliants here.

3. clothes-falling-into-bed-scenes - again, theyve done this a lot, as have most other legends couples. more the insinuation of sex than anything actually raunchy.

4. degree of nakedness - we've had this .. kind of?? sara in lingere for ava's birthday. the raunchiest scene we've had so far is the zari threesome scene, in which zari was still pretty much fully clothed. aside from shirtless men (which legends loves to do in Any situation lol) we've barely had any shirtless scenes, so its not super weird that we havent had avalance like this

5. full on sex scene - okay so i dont think this wld work on legends for a number of reasons. 1. would be weird for the pacing of a legends ep. most legends eps arent suited to a low and slow style sex scene, hence why they probably havent had one for any couple on legends (not just avalance). 2. can they show that?? i think legends is rated 15, a full on sex scene might bump it up to an 18 pretty unesecarily, its not like the rest of the show justifies that rating. 3. no other couples on legends are having these kind of sex scenes, its not like we have a deluge of mlw sex scenes and none for wlw couples

these reasons dont mean that all sex scenes are bad, or that sex scenes are unecessary. this is just in this context.

my opinion: i think i'd like maybe like a clearer indication of sex? maybe like... some bare shoulders? a bare back? i think a full on sex scene wouldnt really work for the reasons i've stated above, but a bit more wld be nice

for what i would personally like? hey, i've got fanfic lmao, i can make my own fun lmao

#phoebe lifeblogs #avalance #lets have a discussion #i think this is a far more deeply personal discussion than ppl realise #also this being said if they Do do a sex scene #i wont be mad lmao

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bunkernine · 4 years

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Honestly, this whole discourse about Annabeth or Leo being smarter is a stupid fandom thing. Not once they had this fight in canon. Annabeth respected Leo and vice versa, they worked together on the ship. Y'all need to stop making a character seem good by dragging the other

Btw the last ask wasnt an attack to you. Just ranting about the fandom, sorry if came out harsh (2/2)

none of that matters, harley is clearly smarter than either of them because he was the only one to figure out how to contact leo when leo could barely do it, and he had a much better grasp on the labyrinth then annabeth ever did. so that’s that on that, they got beat by a 7 year old

(a direct response to the annabethvsleo issue under the cut)

1, You’re fine with the harshness, I didn’t really take it as an attack (though in the event that it was an attack, lmao)

Alright. So to clarify before I start this, I do not hate Annabeth. I make a lot of jokes about her (she’s totally a Republican though), and it’s very fun poking at her and her stans. She’s a fictional character lmao, it’s not that deep. Annabeth stans act like it is that deep- it’s not.

Anyway, as for Annabeth and Leo, yeah, they’ve never had this fight because it’s dumb. They treated each other like co-workers, as they weren’t really friends but they worked together. Most relationships in the seven were like that. Hm. I feel like you’re skipping over the fact that Annabeth was annoyed with Leo most of the time (as most of the seven was annoyed at him). However, she is quick to understand him (there’s a scene where she explains to Frank that Leo hides behind jokes or something in MoA), and she seems like someone who respects other smart people.

The problem with the debate was that it wasn’t fair to either of the two. A lot of pro-Annabeth was “duh, she’s the daughter of Athena” while a lot of the anti-Leo was “Leo was annoying and he didn’t know when to stop so obvs he’s dumb”. There is a distinction, despite them both supporting Annabeth. Leo’s side does something similar but if I type it I’ll forget what I’m talking about because it’s hilarious. None of that back and forth was actual proof, but only annoyed the fans on the other side.

... Okay, so like, I’m a Leo dork but I know I can’t really defend some of his actions. Like I said, it’s really not that serious- they’re fictional. I know when he’s being problematic, and I’m not going to ignore that.... mmm the problem with the debate is that it really just began to feel like stans wanted their fav white girl to be the best. The evidence was trivial or irrelevant. Fandom, PJO included, has a disgusting habit of dragging down poc, and this was an extension of it. There’s a problem with dumbing down and ignoring brown characters- and this isn’t entirely on the fandom’s side because Rick does it as well. That shit is extremely harmful- so it’s not a surprise that Leo-supporters would fight back.

Yes, I definitely agree with not dragging down a character to make another look good. That should be a no-brainer but it’s not. Except the debate was like, way more than that in how it treated White Girl Favorite Annabeth and Brown Dude Leo. No white girl was getting hurt, but this was bringing down lots of brown fans. The “neutral” argument that Leo is smarter, but Annabeth is wiser was just disgusting because it takes away from the fact that Leo is smarter to give unnecessary props to Annabeth. Some people can not handle the idea of a moc being smarter than a white girl and it showed during that debate.

Anyway... the reason why I believe Leo is smarter is because he’s able to think a lot faster on the fly, is way more street-smart, very adaptable, and is canonically known for doing college math as a child. Sure, he and Annabeth worked on the ship, but Leo designed it entirely on his own, and made it extremely adaptable to the whims of the seven. The work they did on the Argo was definitely not the same, so I’m not sure why you even brought it up. You don’t need brains to work a hammer. Leo was also able to create a complex and working system that Annabeth barely understood. He was also able to figure out the Archimedes sphere multiple times to use to his advantage in short time squeezes, despite it being extremely difficult to understand.

Leo is incredibly intuitive but this is ignored because “he was annoying”.

#leo valdez #sigh #i forgot what the ask even was lmao i just kept rambling thats so on me akndsfkjdsij #askingasks #anon did a thing #hhhhhhh i am VERY obviously a leo supporter idk what you wanted me to say but i spoke my mind

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