#Tpoh theories

[findmeabowloftrash-blog]

okay so. I am very very recently into The Property of Hate. I am caught up, and rereading bits and parts, while attempting to find blogs that still actively talk about/post about it. I'm quite new, so there's a good chance I have just missed it, but these are some things I have noticed/wondered that I haven't seen talked about.

1) Theory: The eyes on (the top half of) the butterfly's wings are RGB's eyes. Reasoning: In "Iris," on pages 455 and 456, we see the butterfly glare at RGB while asking if he cares who they (the butterfly) once was, and he says no. It then cuts him, and we get a brief flashback of, presumably, human RGB telling someone (whoever the butterfly used to be? Or his reflection, perhaps?) that he hates them, with the same glare. This is also, I believe, the only time we ever see his eyes in a flashback. Further, the butterfly is widely believed to be Hate, and it would make sense that his own hatred (of this other person? of himself?) is what "blinded" him. ESPECIALLY if it blinded him to his own potential. More on that later.

2) Observation: Negative seems to wear actual spats, as opposed to having them be part of his shoes. Relevance: Mod once said in answer to an ask about RGB's suspenders that nothing about him is genuine, it's only meant to appear that way, and cited his not-actually-spats as one example. If Negative does indeed wear real spats, does that make at least part of him more "genuine" than RGB?

3) Theory(?): Negative means no harm to Hero, and in fact cares a great deal about her. Reasoning: He's clearly intelligent, not just violent toward whatever is closest, because in his first appearance he protects Hero, rather than going after her himself. If the Fears were no match for him, why waste time fighting them if he wanted to hurt her? She would have been the weakest target, not the Fears. Then, in the desert, after creating the giant rose to protect himself and Hero, once he looks up and notices her, the eye on his screen looks teary, like it's watering up. (Pg 355) And wouldn't you cry if a child you wanted to protect came back into a deadly storm for you? In addition, I saw a post somewhere reasoning that the House of Lead belongs to Negative, and in that post the OP theorized that Negative wanted Hero to tell RGB about him. If he were antagonistic, or had literally any ill will toward Hero, that wouldn't make any sense.

Miscellaneous thoughts and rambling:

RGB calls himself "an unreliable narrator at best" during the same conversation/monologue/story he says that he is a failure, that the only thing he ever does is fail. ("After all, I died, didn't I?" -pg 472) And it seems that way, based on his history with heroes, sure. He fails pretty much all of his goals in the story (even ones like "don't get attached"). But if we go based on a number of meta things, we can easily reason that that isn't true, and he is, in fact, an unreliable narrator of his own life. For one, he was almost certainly an actor or entertainer of some sort. That in and of itself is a form of success. But beyond that, we have Mod's "The Face of Television" art, which implies he was VERY successful. There is also the "I was in Brooklyn when I found out" art of Dial looking at obituaries in the newspaper. Why would the obituary of a failed British actor be in an American newspaper? He had to have been someone well-known. Finally, on page 433, all the way to the left, among the static, you can see, "-reaking news tonight --as famed --tertainer". All of this heavily points toward RGB being, not a failure, but instead highly successful when he was human. Rather, I think the "failure" part comes from how he viewed himself. Unable to look in the mirror, to stand himself at all, to think of himself as anything more than a projection-- empty, hollow. And isn't that exactly how he ended up? I think that he played into Hate's hand because he did, in fact, have hatred-- but it wasn't the kind she could use against others directly, because he doesn't hate others; He hates himself. He hates himself so strongly that, even after selling his memories, he still truly believes that he is, at his very core, a failure.

Maybe Negative is the part of him that believes in himself??

Also:

I never see anyone talk about the recurring shapes/symbols in RGB's flashbacks/dreams. I'm mentally calling them: Box (or possibly Casket), Hands, Iron, Teardrop, Rectangles. They appear on pages 335 and 456, at least. Possibly others. Really really curious what they represent.

Anyway I'm sure I'm missing a lot of well-known fandom stuff but. I just needed to put my thoughts together and dump them into a public space.

#Tpoh #tpoh rgb #the property of hate #tpoh negative #Tpoh theories #Trashseeker talks #I'll come back and edit this when it's not 2:28am

[the-solar-system52]

TPOH UPDATE THOUGHTS!

uh oh. UH OH.

RGB going to face the butterfly ALONE in that spooky house isnt going to end very well is it??

First of all, Hero is clearly upset about RGB not letting her go with him which could lead to an argument between the two either before or after he goes in. That, or Hero will end up sneakily following after him and potentially get hurt.

Second, I was rereading the butterfly's other scenes since we are going to see them again and saw a tumblr post pointing out THIS:

When the butterfly struke RGB with its wing we see a BLUE ROSE WITH GOLDEN VINES IN THE CORNER!! And quite a bit of black and white on RGB?

Thats DEFINITELY something to do with Negative! And if just his glove being torn by the butterfly is enough for that to occur, then what's going to happen when he tries to fight the butterfly again???

I mean, he literally said "we split" a few pages ago and even the chapter title "Double Exposure" (merging two photos together into one photo) might have a double meaning!

Combine that with the fact that modmad posted this image awhile ago with RGB's current outfit next to an updated Negative outfit,

I think it's safe to say we might be getting some Negative screentime this chapter!

Which is good because i miss him and want more theory evidence, but also bad because that means something bad is gonna have to happen to RGB. Either way, buckle your seatbelts everybody because i think we might be in for a ride this chapter! :D

#tpoh #the property of hate #tpoh negative #tpoh rgb #negative rgb #tpoh meme #TPoH #tpoh negative rgb #rgb #tpoh theory #tpoh update #tpoh speculation #tpoh theories #tpoh butterfly

[findmeabowlofmakebelieve]

TPOH UPDATE SPOILERS

Hey, @the-solar-system52...

...how does it feel to be so big-brained??

#you nailed it my dude #tpoh theories #sun trees #tpoh house of lead #tpoh house of paint

[violetsquare111]

so i decided to reread tpoh today and i only got like 30 pages in before coming up with a huge theory lol.

rgb talks about how negative is (most likely) not something that's happened until the start of the comic

and uh... hey you know what's black and white and gave rgb a pretty serious schism at the start of the comic?

#the property of hate #tpoh #tpoh theory #i am kind of freaking out rn. #v's post

[soulacanth]

I had a random idea pop up in my brain 2 weeks ago

#“hey i should do some hw” #WRONG #RGB parents design #coelart #tpoh #not really a theory #mainly just for fun #tpoh rgb

[sparkytheflame35]

you know what?

i think this might just be something

#tpoh #the property of hate #theory post

[staticflatline0]

My property of hate theory(spoiler warning!!)

Something I thought of- just mind wandering thoughts

If you mask yourself with a smile, although the eyes tell the truth, because

"Eyes are the windows to the soul"

Something I've connected just base on design between negative and normal RGB

Because with RGB you really just depends on his mouth to tell what he's feeling, although with negative he shows emotion with his eye since he doesn't have a mouth

you know how negative normally had the back tear thingys going upward last time? However this time it only happened with he was clearly annoyed

I think it has something to do with if what he was feeling was in terms a negative feeling, because the first one he had a lighter screen, and was surprised or confused, the next one his screen darkened when he looked unamused

And last time it was clear they were in some sort of danger too

This might make you see when negative was attempting to grab hero as dangerous or concerning

But two key details we really need to pay attention to

1. his eyes, first it was a lot smaller, but the second one looks a bit bigger, as in less whatever he was feeling at the time

2. negative during fighting stood up straight although with hero he bent down,, his wires were down when fighting but up when he saw hero

I think that indicated he wasn't going to hurt her, he was more or less surprised, plus it's kinda obvious that negative doesn't know what's going on beforehand, he only knows what's going on when he sees it

So this would mean that was the first time negative ever saw hero, or knew about her

It also makes more sense when you notice RGB doesn't remember or know anything when negative is in control, so it's probably that it's the same way with negative

Which in a probability standpoint, he’s not going to hurt Hero, mostly because he definitely could’ve and hasn’t, there's been so many times, each time negative appeared he could have easily hurt hero. And let's not forget about the newest page, hero is literally ON his shoulders

Although well have to wait for the next page to come out!

#weirdcore #theory #theorizing #thoughts #the property of hate #the property of hate theory #tpoh rgb #tpoh hero #tpoh #tpoh theory

[mika-meowz]

So gang

About the house and it's loneliness

We know how RGB has an issue with trying not to get attached to Heroes and has had 2 partners leave him

What if Negative was "sick" like the house?

Speaking of sick, I'm glad you seem to be feeling better, Uncle Mod!!

#tpoh #tpoh theory #tpoh spoilers #the property of hate

[wingedimpurity]

How dial stopped being a hero

#TPoH #the property of hate #Dial #RGB #ive just been makin shitposts like these #or drawin insane art solely based on theory #shrugs #ImpureArt

[spikedlynx]

You know… I wonder whose eyes were looking through in TPoH. Putting in a Keep Reading for spoilers stuff in both concept and moments.

So like it's established from the get-go that stuff that's not really tangible is so in the World of Imagination through the introduction of fears, lies, and doubts. Later on we see Hate literally cut panels in half to take away Julienne and Melody. I could go on to name other characters but you get the point.

So POV/point of view/perspective is how the audience sees things. The default for most visual media is third person either limited or omniscient. And that's how we're seeing the events of the comic. But we are seeing through someone's eyes. They are mostly silent but they do talk to us in a few pages (thinking of when we see a bit of Human!RGB's past in the train and when Hero tells RGB about Negative.) It can't be hate because she can't see in the train or when Negative's out but we do. And Mod implied in an ask that we're only seeing highlights of the journey when someone asked/commented about how fast they were moving through the world. (Please link if you know/find it.)

While the mystery person seems to be mostly interested in Hero and RGB, just by the fact that they show us different people like the events of the Black Market collapse and Dial in the Sands of Regret means that they aren't limited in where they can see. And the fact that we saw events that Hate couldn't see and the convo between Dial and Hate implies that the owner of our eyes is fairly powerful.

I might just be overthinking it and this is not an aspect of the comic. But given what we know of the world it is fun to think about. If this is a character I wonder what their motivations are and why they are interested in RGB's quest to save the world.

#tpoh #The Property of Hate #theory stuff #the brainworms go brrrrrrr #pls give me your thoughts

[findmeabowloftrash-blog]

Been thinking about The Property of Hate and its title. When I first found it and started reading it, I assumed "property" referred to a quality, like the properties of metals. I assumed it would become clearer what was meant, once I read the comic. Well. Obviously it has not.

Then I saw many posts about it referring to something owned, property as in a belonging. And I went, "Oh! I didn't think of that." So I've been giving it some more thought.

I thought, "Well, we see that Hate can see and even affect the comic pages. Perhaps the comic itself is the property of Hate. It is named as such because it belongs to her.

And it makes this seem relevant in a new way, too.

I don't know what way, exactly, that is. Just... some new way.

My other take was back to the idea of "property" as in "quality." I asked myself, "What is a distinguishing quality that hate has, in real life?"

And my brain immediately answered:

"It divides."

The scissors, and the fact that Hate seems to be the source of solid panel-divisions (sometimes, anyway???) both feel more fitting with that realization.

EDIT: Apologies! I was in a haze while writing this and didn't think to link to why I said that about the panels. Behold!! That was 100% NOT something I came up with on my own, that was this very smart person (who also has wonderful art btw) that I'm too nervous to @ directly, haha...

#More of my rambling #Tpoh theories #Barely #Tpoh #The property of hate #Makes me think back to the theory that Hate is RGB's hate specifically #Somehow #Not what I'm saying in this post #I'm just talking #No the panel was more of a “hey we've seen this phrase used like this before” #and upon further thought cmon that cannot be a coincidence #Anyway I'm sure I'm not the first to bring these points up #But this is my blog so I will voice my personal epiphanies as if they are epic and groundbreaking realizations #Trashseeker talks

[the-solar-system52]

TPOH UPDATE THEORY

TPOH UPDATED AND YOU BETTER BELIEVE I HAVE THEORIES!!

So! Negative talking with the Butterfly definitely did something to him. Maybe he recognised their voice? Or he looked at him directly in their eyes? Some people have proposed the idea that Anxiety blinded Negative, and if that's the case, then I wonder how long the effect will last.

The Butterfly gave him a flashback to his human life, and I'm guessing its one that includes the Butterfly.

Its hard to make out, but we see a human hand extending out, and text that says "WAIT! Don't lea-" (I'm guessing 'don't leave') and "What do you say? We got a deal?"

What's even more interesting, is that RGB didn't get this flashback when he came into contact with the Butterfly. Only Negative did.

This tells us two major things:

The Butterfly used to be a human and they knew Human RGB

2. Negative has access to memories of their life that RGB doesn't

Starting with the first one, I think I'm beginning to figure out just what happened between Butterfly and RGB.

It all starts with this infamous page. The Butterfly gave RGB a schism, which caused him to get a flashback. In this flashback, he is in a backstage acting room (judging that there's one of those fancy mirrors with the lights on them in the background) and he looks very tired and angry. He then tells whoever he is talking to that he hates them.

I assume that this is RGB talking to whoever the Butterfly used to be.

In the lastest update, the flashback gives off similar vibes. RGB and The Butterfly make a deal, but there is also text ("Don't leave") that implies one of them is backing out of the deal. I'm not exactly sure who is who in this situation though.

Either way, RGB did something that really pissed off the Butterfly enough for them to still be mad at them in The Land of Make Believe.

My assumption is this:

As we know, RGB was an actor. So I'm guessing The Butterfly was either an actor, director, or any professional job that would give them the opportunity to meet RGB.

Just like the Butterfly is trying to partner with Negative in this scene, Human Butterfly had a partnership with Human RGB long ago. I'm not sure what it was, but I'm guessing it was related to acting. (It also could've been romantic. Or both. RGB already has like three partners, I wouldn't put it past him.) But the Butterfly messed something up so badly that is caused RGB to get mad and call off the partnership, which is the scene we see on the "I hate you" page. The Butterfly begged RGB to stay ("Wait! Don't leave.") but he didn't.

This may have led to consequences that ruined the Butterfly's career. Either way, they were so hurt by this that they still resent RGB to this day. I have no clue how The Butterfly made it to The Land of Make Believe, since I don't think they were a hero, but it was probably something to do with how RGB treated them.

So when The Butterfly asked Negative for a partnership again, not knowing who Negative was, he got a flashback.

The colours that come out of Negative's vents are Red and Yellow, Anger and Anxiety. Both emotions fit perfectly with this situation.

(Or I could be totally wrong. Since I don't know who's who, it could be the BUTTERFLY saying 'I hate you' and RGB saying 'Don't leave.' But I think the first version fits better with the overarching theory I have. So I'll assume RGB is saying 'I hate you' unless proven otherwise.)

Please let me know if anyone has anything to add to this theory! I think I'm really getting close to figuring this stuff out but there's still some stuff I'm confused on.

Onto the second thing!

I've already talked about this a lot in this theory, but I'd like the expand on it a bit. That theory is slightly outdated since now we know The Butterfly doesn't know who Negative is, but I think I was on the right track.

When RGB and Negative split, Negative took some of RGB's memories with him. (That, or whatever memories RGB sold to Time were given to Negative. I haven't decided yet but either way Negative has some of RGB's lost memories.)

Since RGB and Negative used to be a whole person as a human, parts of their personality in the flashbacks are influenced by both RGB and Negative.

More than that, we have visual identifiers as to which personality is being portrayed in these flashbacks!

When Human RGB's eyes are covered and we see his mouth, it's RGB's memory. Since his TV self has a mouth and no eyes. This means RGB is the one having the flashback and the memory has him displaying more 'RGB-esque' personality traits. Like, in this scene, sleeping on the job and being woken up by a colleague is definitely something I imagine RGB doing, but no so much Negative.

When Human RGB's mouth is covered and we see his eyes, it's Negative's memory. Since his TV self has an eye and no mouth. In this scene, he is displaying more 'Negative-esque' personality traits. He is being confrontational and cold, and straight up telling someone he hates them. That doesn't sound like something our resident coward RGB would do.

And to add to this, blue roses show up as this flashback happens. This memory belongs to Negative, but RGB is viewing it because of his schism. And as I've said before, his schisms/gaps are definitely related to Negative.

So when they split, their human memories and personality traits were split up between them.

I really hope I am right, because I LOVE this facial feature detail! The fact we never see his full face at once gives the impression of him not being 'complete' bc he's not! He's literally being split into two people, so his face was split accordingly. Genuinely a genius visual metaphor on Mod's part. And it really makes me wonder if we will see his full face if RGB and Negative ever fuse back together again.

It's something to keep in mind for the next flashback!

As for the lastest memory, I'm not sure if it's Negative or RGB's, since we don't see their face. It's a possibility it is either a shared memory or RGB's memory that Negative is viewing, which would explain why it messes up Negative so much. And why we see some of RGB's colour return to him.

And what on earth is happening to Negative here? At first I thought he was going to faint and allow RGB to return, but now I'm not sure. Yes he is disoriented, but I think he'll be sticking around for just a bit longer. The blue roses haven't popped yet, and they tend to do that when he leaves. And I'm hoping he'll get a little more screentime since they still need to escape the house and everything, but I won't jinx it.

And what's with the yellow root in his leg? Those roses are mysterious as fuck, and I wanna find out what they'll do to him. I am still trying to figure out wether Negative completely controls them, or if they kinda have a mind of their own. They could make him stronger or make him weaker. They could charge that static electricity again. They could do something to his gaps. Who knows! But I'll be back next Sunday to figure it out.

#tpoh #the property of hate #tpoh rgb #tpoh negative #rgb #tpoh negative rgb #negative rgb #tpoh theory #tpoh speculation #tpoh update #tpoh anxiety #that darned butterfly

[findmeabowlofmakebelieve]

hold up

is Dial just short for dialogue

#tpoh dial #tpoh theories

[the-property-of-stupid]

TPoH Theory: RGB d/ed because of a train.

CONTENT / TRIGGER WARNING: Mentions of s/icide and mental issues in general, if you are sensitive to this type of stuff i recommend to not read.

This will be long af so get ready-

WELL, here's a theory i've had in the back of my head for a while, and it says that RGB died because of a train, why? Let me explain.

In chapter 4 (Diegesis page 73 to be exact) we can see RGB standing on train tracks when he's having the funky dreamy thing, then he gets distracted from whatever the hell was happening there and proceeds to say the phrase that almost gave him an oscar: ''This isn't how i died''

Second:

He mentions that he felt like he just got ran over by a steam locomotive, taking into consideration the first image it starts to make some sense, but it takes even more form later.

Page 249 on its entirety starts to give more obvious hints to RGB, a train literally passes behind him, but only when he turns around to see what happened the iron and the person (probably hate) appear, getting all of the attention instead.

(I'm going to come back to the iron later, keep that in mind)

Now i think we all know what happens in Chiaroscuro, with the black and white train appearing out of nowhere just to chase our heroes and scare the hell out of them, this one was kind of tricky, but i interpret this train as a way to show how the thought of knowing the answer is chasing RGB wherever he goes, wandering around a desert full of erased memories trying its best to keep itself alive as a hint for him to catch up to.

Also one more fact about this train, is that it seems to be the only place where RGB gets a memory of him while being human (not counting the butterfly thing), which is pretty odd considering that all the previous memories show him as a TV-headed monster, just wanted to point that out.

Now to stop making this way longer than it should, lets check page 506

He's trying to figure out how he died, but nothing convinces him, he's sure that none of the things that are being shown are the reason of why he's dead, but then the train appears, almost on a way that screams ''I'm right here'' And then, it cuts to the scenes with the doctor that i'm going to bring up.

Now we get to the fun part, which is my interpretation of how he exactly died, i'm going to try and make it short to not waste more of your time.

So, RGB was an actor, a well-known one actually, he had everything that he could want, but even with that he wasn't happy, he hated himself, and he did it so much that he wanted to smash the mirrors where he saw himself and his hands started to shake everytime he looked at them, this is here where he decides to go with the doctor, which gives him the gloves and tells him to avoid the mirrors, while also telling him that therapy is ass (because it's the 60's yay).

However, this was not enough, and due to his untreated mental issues he started having problems either with his boss, or with hate (if we follow the belief that they used to know eachother before entering the world of make believe) which caused such a conflict that escalated into a fight, where the iron comes in.

So what is the worst thing that you can do to an actor?

Ruin how they look

Now with his face (and possibly body) burnt by the iron, his career ended inmediately, and his problems got even WAY worse than before, to a point where he decided to end everything, there was no point on continuing anyway.

So he decides to go to the nearest train station that he could find, and the rest, is history.

Another detail i want to bring up. What happens to a human body when it gets ran over by a train?

It disappears almost entirely

And guess what

RGB literally does not have a body.

#tw sui implied #tw mental illness #tw mention of death #tw mental health #tpoh #tpoh theory #rgb tpoh #the property of hate #maybe i got WAY too carried on with this #i apologize for that

[spookikookiboo]

Melting Magnus

You know when your color and outline make a mess…👀

Magnus Belongs to @stelyos

~ Spooki🖤

#Magnus #magnus[0] #tpoh rgb #spookiart #the property of hate #tpoh fanart #tpoh comic #tpoh theory #tpoh #magnus tpoh #light entertainment

[tpoh-enjoyer]

so uhhhhh,,,,

wdy think happened with magnus? bc like ok

last time we saw him in the market before RoyGBiv got banished and what not, RGB commented on magnus's outline being solid (which I would say means he's close to being realized)

AND THEN THE LIKE, "You're done here, aren't you?"

I KNOW WE SAW HIM FOR ONLY A FEW PAGES BUT PLEASE IF RGB LOST ANOTHER PERSON FOR GOOD I WILL GO INSANE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE HES PROBABLY BEEN REALIZED AND OUCH

#im so normal about them #tpoh #the property of hate #tpoh rgb #magnus tpoh #tpoh theory