#and using it to kill nmj (someone jgy cared abt)

[luobingmeis]

my jgy thoughts have been expanding and adapting and roiling and toiling etc etc etc and all of it is coming down to me affectionately marveling at this character. he’s cut-throat. he’s cunning. his kindness leaves lasting impressions. his mercy is what predates his demise. he’s one of the few cultivators who helps those in need. he will sacrifice them if it benefits him. he loved. it didn’t last. it killed him. it orchestrated his downfall. he’s a genius. he’s paranoid. he compartmentalizes. he splits the world into who he would sacrifice and who he would not. people he loves and people he would sacrifice are not mutually exclusive. he’s filial to a fault. it was all for his mother. he is a study in assimilating to survive. the results vary. he manipulates the herd mentality to his benefit. it is turned against him. he is killed for the one thing he didn’t do by the one person he wouldn’t sacrifice. it is still somehow better than what the hive-mind cultivation world would have done. i love this tragic kaleidoscope of a character.

#this was sparked out of my love for jgy #my in-the-tags hot take is that i am just increasingly bored by unironic jgy did nothing wrong takes adfksks #like the statements that he is a victim and he has done helpful things and he has done harmful things. are also not mutually exclusive! #and i think that makes him fun :] #if jgy wasn’t a little fucked up he’d be boring #like it’s /fun/ to me that imo he was overtly targeted by nmj #but nmj was also like the last like of defense before the jins completely abused their power #like! we love duality. we love contradictions #i won’t even say ‘ask me abt how jgy views the concept of hurt’ bc i’m gonna tell you! #i personally believe that he was being honest when he said lxc was the one person he didn’t want to hurt #i just also believe that he doesn’t see the things he has done #namely the use of the fucked up song of clarity #as things that would hurt lxc #bc they weren’t done /to/ him! #lxc was just a pawn in that moment #and while i believe that jgy most of the time did not. pawn-ify. lxc #by taking the song of clarity (something entrusted to him by lxc) #and using it to kill nmj (someone jgy cared abt) #that hurts lxc! #i feel embarrassed i was like ‘let u tell me u my big jgy thesis paper’ and idk if it landed #but i feel like jgy sees ‘hurt’ as what is done to you #not what happens around you

[crossdressingdeath]

I don't understand the argument that Lan Clan is somehow bad for WWX because they took part in the siege and then saying that WWX would have much better with JC in Lotus Pier...Like what??? Are we talking abt same grape, the one that literally LEAD said siege, the one that tried SO HARD to backstab his"brother"? Or some other character? Beside didn't text explicitly tell us that siege would have happened even if Lans and Nies weren't there?

Well, I don't think it's explicitly said that it would've happened without the Lans and Nies, but it is made clear that the Jins and Jiangs were very much the ones running the show and things like how they dumped all the Wen bodies in the blood pool instead of just leaving them where they fell or disposing of them in the proper manner (I don't know what that would involve in fantasy ancient China but I suspect pools of blood are not part of it) suggest to me that they were very much trying to hide who exactly they'd been killing from their allies; if they just didn't care they could've just left the bodies, and if they wanted them disposed of in a world where corpses can in fact come back I'd expect them to do it properly.

And yeah, it's always like... "The Lan clan, the only clan with members who tried to help WWX, is bad for him because they took part in the siege! He should return to the guy who convinced all the sects the Wen remnants were an army and WWX was planning to take over the world in order to raise an army to go murder him for absolutely no reason, not even personal benefit! That's better for him!"

That's always the thing that gets me. I can understand JGS and JGY needing the Wens dead to cover up what they'd been doing in the labour camps, and I can understand NMJ and LXC not challenging the insistence of their two fellow great sect leaders (either because they trusted them or—and more likely—to avoid causing fights among the sects so soon after a massive war), but JC? He gained nothing from the Wens' deaths. He lost his greatest asset with WWX. Odds are a good number of his cultivators died during the various fights; no matter how careful WWX tried to be about not murdering anyone from the sect most to blame for what was happening to him, with him losing control and also fighting for his life and the lives of the people under his care he wouldn't be able to prioritize not killing JC's thugs. Sure, JC got a reputation boost, but he pissed it down the drain immediately by becoming a serial killer. So the absolute best-case scenario for JC's actions re the Wen remnants and WWX is that he thought a boost to his reputation was worth the deaths of fifty innocent people and someone he grew up with and who had always served him faithfully (until he decided to fulfill JC's life debt when JC refused to...), a boost that he then threw away the moment he decided that he wanted to kill people more than he wanted to be popular. And of course worst-case is... it was pure spite. WWX decided that saving lives was more important than being JC's pet demonic cultivator, and JC was like "Fine, then you can die" and deliberately caused his death as "punishment" for his refusal to do whatever JC wanted. There's no way for JC to come out of this looking good. Hell, I don't think there's a way for him to come out of this looking not bad; remember, the best-case scenario is that he was so monumentally selfish that he decided 51 lives were an acceptable price to boost his reputation. Meanwhile the worst you can say of the Lans is that they didn't properly investigate JGS and JC's claims; that's a problem, sure, but that doesn't make them responsible. Certainly not as responsible for JC... the person the stans insist WWX should go to instead of the Lans... because the Lans played a part in the siege... because JC said the Wens were an army...

Yeah, the people making this argument seem to have missed a few salient points in the whole situation.

#mdzs #grapehate #asks #anon