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c-kiddo · 1 year
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nauuuur 😢 i remembered about the scene when tmn are going to talk to king dwendal and king dwendal calls caduceus stupid basically, and then i went and rewatched it (at 2:52:00, ep 87) and its just :-( oh it makes me saaaad.. like its worse because cad’s actually struggling to explain his thoughts and stops like two times to try speak louder and clearer than he usually does and is clearly uncomfortable with it . and then the king calls him uneducated in a roundabout way and cad just replied Thank you , because he didnt understand T_T idk man . .the autism relating and also hyperempathy kicked in about it. it makes me want 2 cry a little bit 
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eponymous-rose · 4 years
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Talks Machina Highlights - Critical Role C2E87 (Dec. 10, 2019)
Tonight’s guests are Marisha Ray and Taliesin Jaffe!
Announcements: CR is heading back to Chicago for C2E2 2020! More information on the site!
Episode 87: Big Boyses Punishment and Politics
Stats for this week’s episode! Beau has been an Expositor for 49 days. Caduceus has healed 222 HP from unconsciousness, and is the only member of the group not to have asked yet who’s on the Tal’Dorei Council (he has a joke he’s been saving). The players asked Matt to get a HDYWTDT three times before he actually got the 153rd one (across both campaigns).
First question of the night (16 minutes in): how worried were they about a TPK during the fight? They were both pretty stressed. Marisha: “I didn’t think it was going to be a TPK, but I was definitely starting to emotionally prepare myself for Beau being dead, like dead-dead. It was grim there for a second.” Taliesin: “We still had ways to pop a couple people back if we had to, but it was looking...”
Are they hopeful about turning the Inevitable End into the Inevitable Friend? “I feel like if I could’ve gotten that hug, maybe...” If anything, Taliesin’s worried that she’ll come back to be a problem later. “At some point, someone’s going to pay the Inevitable End to Inevitably End us.”
It’s pointed out that a lot of Beau’s previous successful diplomacy attempts were isolated from the party, but this time Beau actually got to do it in front of the group. “It was impressive, it was fun to watch.” “Yeah, that feels good.”
Caduceus genuinely did think Dwendal was complimenting him, but mostly because he was having a panic attack at the time. “I think he probably put it together later.”
“Beau’s not stupid. Beau will only challenge authority when she feels like it’s a challenge that she can make with limited repercussions, hopefully, one that she can successfully win, or at least get out of, if challenged. She likes picking fights, but she knows the time and the place.”
Cosplay of the Week: Nott! (SparkleanCos on Twitter, photography by Alexandra Lee Studios)
Taliesin's Percy instincts pushed him forward in the throne room, but it didn’t exactly come out the same way in Caduceus’ words. “I was so panicked. It fell apart so quickly. This character has no business being in this conversation. He just opened his mouth and nothing is coming out.”
Now that she’s an Expositor, Beau has started feeling more connection to the Soul as a whole rather than just to individual people.
On Caleb’s backstory, Caduceus only knows about the letter argument and “remembers it very very clearly”. It’s all wrapped up in his concern over Nott and Caleb, and only really understands that Caleb feels threatened in that situation. “He doesn’t really understand the particulars, other than that there are dangerous people here who want to hurt us. Who are apparently very clever.”
Marisha on Caleb’s backstory: “It’s kind of been like, yeah, dude, I know it’s a lot, but get your shit together for a second while we handle this. She cares, but also there’s a big part of me objectively that thinks that Beau might be a terrible person to be the one to try and talk Caleb out of shit at this moment.”
Taliesin and Marisha both note that it’s suspicious how quickly Dwendal was willing to give up the Beacon. Marisha: “There’s no doubt that there’s something happening, more, it’s just a matter of how much King Dwendal knows.” Taliesin: “I don’t know how in-control he is in all this.”
Taliesin thinks the truth-telling in the throne room was a dangerous call. Marisha: “I don’t think we told them anything we didn’t know, though. It’s about honesty, but also lying through omission.”
Fanart of the Week: Caleb! (Azraillu on Twitter)
Caduceus: Hufflepuff.
Caduceus kept thinking “I don’t even go to this school!” when Dwendal was going on about being on the edge of treason. Dani points out that only 3 of the Nein are from the Empire.
Beau keeps becoming the face of the group, even though her charisma is lower. “It’s less that I was assigned designated driver, and more like everyone else is just a little too drunk. They just fell in my lap, the keys, nobody really entrusted me with that. I’m wearing the uniform. I look the most respectable, and my word will probably be taken with a little more weight. It’s situational face.”
Who does Caduceus lean on, with everyone leaning on him? “Jester’s been there for him a couple of times, which has been interesting. He lived with his family for his entire fucking life, he has lived at home with parents, siblings, and his aunt. There’s a built-in support structure to that. He’s kind of been pretending that he’s been at work. And yeah, he’s had a couple nervous breakdowns. And usually, weirdly, it’s Jester who shows up as his rock, a few times. He’s got a very different relationship with everyone else. Beau and Caleb he considers on his level, so to speak, and Yasha and Fjord are kind of projects.”
Beau was pretty much exclusively leaning on her Expositor authority in the conversation with the king. “She [as a character concept] really started clicking with the Plank King. That was the first time it was like, this is how this character’s meant to work.”
Caduceus was definitely telling the truth when he told the Gentleman he was lonely. “His family left him in kind of a shitty way, if you think about it. People just kept not coming back until he was sitting alone in a forest by himself.” Marisha: “Why haven’t you ever tried to scry on any of them?” Taliesin: “There’s the answer he would give, and then there’s the truth.” Marisha: “You just said Caduceus is all about the truth.” Taliesin: “Yes, but you just found the hole.” Marisha: “FUCKIN EXPOSITOR YEAHHHH”
Now that they’ve met both monarchies, have their opinions changed? Caduceus: “It’s confirmed everything I thought, anyway.” Marisha: “It seems like both sides just went to fight each other without any real excuse.” Taliesin keeps alluding to a “really dumb idea” he wants to put across on Thursday. They were genuinely annoyed at Dwendal.
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I really hope the M9 see the king’s actions compared to the bright queen’s and the dynasty. Like, she listened, stopped the attack because she believe them, Essek has helped them countless times. For the love of god, dont betray them when the time comes, i love them 😩
I had a dislike towards King Dwendal from the moment he refused to aid Tal'dorei in campaign 1. That dislike grew when we learned he outlawed the majority of religions and extensively taxed his citizens while sitting pretty in his castle. I dislike him EVEN MORE now that he: basically called Caduceus stupid without outright saying it. Yelled at Allura for saving HIS Empire from an assault when he was too stubborn to. AND called the M9 almost traitors for (with the info he knew) helping Beau do her job. 
Meanwhile Leylas Kryn actually has been on the Battlefield for her nation, has been it’s ruler for over 600 years and, while being rightfully untrusting of the M9, still managed to treat them with respect and listened to them when they brought her information or their opinions. Yes she is very aggressive towards the Empire and it’s citizen but like Beau said “she really wants her fucking beacon back.”
I don’t know what the M9 will do in the future, and there definitely will be a time that they’ll have to make a big move in regard to this war, but I like to think they’d try their damn best not to purposely cross anyone.
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boylore 1/10 -- 2020 2020 vision /cupid hit me cupid hit me with precision i / wonder if you look both ways / when you cross my mind
that’s right, boylore nation, it’s a new year, and i’m declaring it the year of boylore. i’ve already declared it the year of beaujes and the year of fjorclay, but, like, years can be several things. so.
let’s get into it. i took live notes!
he will of course give a travellercon performance! i’ve been thinking a lot about what feat/stat boosts the nein’ll take next level, and while i still think he’s gonna take observant at 12, because that’s his thing, i am. somehow not gonna dismiss the possibility of a bard multiclass in his future? he’s a support caster, and some extra buffs + skill expertise would help him a lot? and he’s got the stats.
he's worried about there being people inside the beacons. which. yeah. expected. but... baby.
HE'S GOING TO THE LIBRARY!!!! 
never mind he has immediately wandered off. because...
he's worried about jester!!!! he's confused by the traveller!!! he wants to make sure she’s okay! he considers her his rock, but he likes to check in on her, especially recently--he also gave her a hug toward the end of the episode, so that’s lovely
he can read! and also when jester was describing travellercon plans he was counting. so. like. he’s not a fast reader or the brightest tool in the shed, but, uh, let’s liven up our “cad’s a dumbass” jokes. dig deeper into his dumbassery.
this firbolg is GAY and there's nothing you can do about it. told fjord he was GLOWING. sir. stevenyeun_youaregay.gif
he likes darrow! just a chill dude.
i want a boy with a short robe and a looooooooooooong family history that i’d love to get into in 2020 please tell me about the dynamics
dicks out in the lucid bastion for the wildmother
fun fact: the mighty nein have tried to communicate with angel of irons people in vence’s form before--caduceus played the role, and it was very good.
he was RIGHT about the thing dwendal called him stupid for. fuck you.
he's significantly less panicked talking to authority in the dynasty than in the empire. there's a lot to unpack about the empire's treatment of foreigners vs the dynasty's there?
BABY PERSUADE EM FOR ME!!!!!!!! 22 PERSUASION!!!! like let's PLEASE unpack the way the king vs the queen treat cad i've had this ready since then "less educated" comment. i have dumb medical stuff tomorrow morning so i’m not gonna write it now but. ummmmmmmmm. inch resting, yeah?
beau was very sweet with him at the end. their dynamic is very interesting to me because i think they’re oddly quite similar, in spite of their personalities. and they clearly like and respect each other a lot. i think that if we get a “dude. you’re as fucked up as the rest of us.” conversation with him, it’s gonna be her who starts it. and i am 100% into it and down for it. anyway. stoner buddies. give them some chill time together.
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