#anti team green stans

[drakaripykiros130ac]

TG stans: “Aegon spared Rhaenyra’s son. He was merciful.” & “The Greens would never harm children.”

The “good & kind” Alicent Hightower, and her “merciful” son, when the Blacks were coming to rescue Aegon III:

“You fed his mother to your dragon.”, she reminded her son. “The boy saw it all.”

The king turned to her desperately. “What would you have me do?”

“You have hostages.”, the Queen Dowager replied. “Cut off the boy’s ears and send it to Lord Tully. Warn them he will lose another part for every mile they advance.”

“Yes,” Aegon II said. “Good. It shall be done.” He summoned Ser Alfred Broome, who had served him so well on Dragonstone. “Go and see to it, ser.”

- Fire & Blood, page 611.

No more need be said.

#aegon iii targaryen #anti aegon ii targaryen #anti alicent hightower #team black #pro team black #anti team green #asoiaf #canon asoiaf #asoiaf meta #house of the dragon #hotd #queen rhaenyra #rhaenyra targaryen #anti team green stans #anti alicent stans #anti aegon ii stans

[watcherintheweyr]

'Rhaenyra is a bad mom bc she knowingly gave birth to bastards and she knew how much danger they'd be in!!!!'

1. She had no way of knowing those babies wouldn't pop out looking exactly like her, beforehand. And unfortunately she couldn't stop at Jace. The throne needed an heir. Driftmark needed an heir. And a spare was needed as well, given the sheer rate of Targaryen children dying untimely deaths.

2. She had to provide heirs to the throne, and to Driftmark. If she hadn't, society wouldn't have blamed Laenor, they would have blamed her- which makes her position even more unstable, bc then she 'can't fulfill a woman's duty' so why would men think her 'able' to fill a 'man's role' by ruling the kingdom? And she and Laenor tried. He was either unable (meaning infertile or impotent, or unable to get it up), or unwilling. (And they did try. We dont know what they tried but Rhaenyra is shown to be clever in the show so honestly i have no doubt she attempted what Margaery suggested with Renly.) Laenor was in on the entire thing. He was aware of every part of this. He wasn't duped, he wasn't cuckholded- it was a plan greenlit by him, bc this way he and Rhaenyra would both have their heirs and a family. This cannot in any way shape or form be compared to Cersei cuckholding Robert (fuck Robert Baratheon tho), seeing as Robert was **not** at all aware that his children weren't his, and wouldn't have been OK with that.

Either way- she chose not to maritally r*pe her husband and put him through more trauma after it was clear their attempts weren't working. Yall are always so upset for Alicent (rightfully so, bc show!alicent was maritally raped, even if it wasn't considered as such in that time), but you... WANT Rhaenyra to do that to Laenor? Hello???

[And no. Rhaenyra did NOT rape or coerce Criston Cole. The actors, writers, and directors have all stated their sex was consensual and 'an act of love.' It was Rhaenyra going to someone she felt close to and trusted after feeling abandoned and unwanted and betrayed. In that scene you literally watch, as after Cole tells Rhaenyra to stop undressing herself, she moves aside so she isn't blocking his way to the door. The director states that the moment they show Cole folding and setting down his cloak was him choosing his desire over his oaths. And Criston Cole has known Rhaenyra since she was 14. He knew damn well the sort of person she was- and she was not the person who would have harmed him for saying no. She was an intoxicated and emotionally vulnerable 19 year old- Criston was in his late 20s to early 30s. And it's explicitly stated in ep.9 that the ONLY person a Kingsguard cannot refuse is the king. In ep.7 Criston disobeys a direct order from Alicent when she wants him to mutilate Lucerys. Criston Cole was not assaulted. Stop trying to assign Aegon's sins to Rhaenyra so that you can feel better for supporting him.]

3. In the books, the rumors of their bastardry at large halted when all of Rhaenyra's boys' cradle eggs hatched. The ONLY people who continued to try and raise issue were the core green faction. But the realm at large *did not give a fuck* why? Because every actually relevant party claimed those boys. Repeatedly and without flinching. Laenor claimed and loved those boys even face to face with Alicent's bullshit. Corlys claimed and love those boys- he was proud of them, and it's been stated by the actor in the show that Luke was his favorite- that given the... events of ep.10, Corlys will be out for blood. And Viserys repeatedly insisted upon their legitimacy- because Laenor and Corlys claimed them, because he knew that by forcing Rhaenyra to marry Laenor in order to repair the damage his insults caused House Velaryon, that he had backed her into a corner.

Rhaenyras boys are remembered to history as Velaryon. Even **Green supporters** noted that they were good, capable, intelligent, and **worthy** princes. That their deaths were unfortunate *for the realm.*

Legally, those boys are legitimate. They cannot be proven illegitimate without Laenor renouncing them, and he never did. Furthermore, trying to declare children illegitimate due to their appearance is a stupid, dangerous precedent. The fact that it's people who have no ties to House Velaryon pushing these rumors and pushing for disinheritance makes it even worse, because they're meddling in the succession of a House that *is not theirs.* if that became a standard, imagine the feuds and conflicts that would erupt- lords pushing for the children of rivals to be declared illegitimate all for the sake of trying to grasp and steal land, power, and influence as a norm? The realm would tear itself apart. Not to mention the sheer danger that would place women in, in Westeros.

Furthermore, even whilst usurping her, even while calling her children bastards, the Greens also imply Laenor's homosexuality was inherited by the Velaryon princes- that they would use Rhaenyra's 'promiscuity' and Laenor's 'predilections' to turn the Red Keep into a brothel- ironic, considering that's more what Aegon would've done. So even while claiming that Rhaenyras children are bastards that shouldn't inherit, they try to state that what the boys inherit or learn from Laenor makes them unfit for the throne. They can't keep their own damn story straight- because their usurpation was never about what is moral, what is right, or the greater good. It was about greed. Power. Sexism.

It doesn't matter what those boys looked like, especially seeing as Rhaenys had dark hair in the books. What matters is that Corlys and Laenor and Viserys claimed them and declared them legitimate, and that they **never** deviated from that.

As for Vaemond, he was a second son. And he waited until Corlys and Viserys were dying and too ill to stop him to make a grasp for power. Youre not supposed to look at that and feel hes in the right. Youre supposed to look at that and see a man consumed by greed, and literally trying to bury Corlys' will and intentions before the man is even in a grave. He was NEVER Corlys' heir- he just wanted power. It wasn't about his House, or their legacy, it was about him.

(And before yall start shit about Rhaenyras boys stealing Laena's girls' inheritance... Rhaena and Baela are *TARGARYEN*. Not Velaryon. Their claim was to the throne or to any holdings in Daemon's name. NOT to Driftmark.)

Rhaenyras boys being betrothed to Rhaena and Baela tied up any issue of 'Velaryon blood.' Baela would have been queen consort of the seven kingdoms at Jace's side, and they very clearly adored one another in book and show. Rhaena would have been Lady of the Tides- which she never would have had a chance for, without Rhaenyra (and Laena) making those betrothals. She and Luke were also canonically very close- and in show she's very encouraging of him whenever he looks nervous or uncertain. They had a bond.

Rhaenyra stole nothing. She gave those girls more. And she loved them- they were the only daughters she got to have, seeing as the Greens treachery caused the early death of baby Visenya. If she hadn't loved them, she wouldn't have trusted Rhaena to look after Joffrey or give her Morning's egg from Syrax. She wouldn't have immediately invited both girls to the table when she was queen, which is something her father did not do for her until much, much later. He allowed Rhaenyra's voice to be silenced too often when she was first made heir. Rhaenyra did not repeat that hurt to her girls or her boys.

Anyways, moving on.

You lot do also remember that Rhaenyra herself has Velaryon blood, right? Jaehaerys I's mother was Alyssa Velaryon. Aegon, Rhaenys, and Visenya the Conquerors' mother was Valaena Velaryon. It's not immediate, but there *is* Velaryon blood through *all* of Rhaenyras boys.

Ultimately, Rhaenyras boys were only in danger because of the core Green faction usurping the throne. If they hadnt- no succession crisis or rebellion could have truly threatened Rhaenyras boys- because none of them would have had dragons. All of Rhaenyras children loved one another- her sons by Daemon would not have turned on her sons with Laenor (and Harwin). They were a true, loving family- possibly one of the healthiest and most close knit one House Targaryen ever boasted.

And another thing... 'her having babies with Harwin was stupid, she should have picked someone Valyrian!'

Here's the thing. Rhaenyra had to be careful as hell choosing who would father her and Laenor's heirs. She had to choose someone who was physically close, and who could be trusted. Someone who wouldn't try to publicly claim those boys in boast or jealousy. Someone who would keep their mouth shut and had no ambition of their own in regards to the throne. Do you really think Vaemond Velaryon (as I see him suggested a lot) would've kept his mouth shut? That he wouldn't have tried to use this to blackmail Rhaenyra and Laenor for more power and status? Do you think Rhaenys would have ever fought for or supported Rhaenyra if Rhaenyra had tried to have Corlys sire her children? And flying to see Daemon in Pentos and having a purely Valyrian child 9 months later would have made things look even more suspect.

Furthermore... she chose someone who cared for her deeply. Who clearly had a positive relationship with Laenor. She chose someone so she wouldn't have to traumatize herself- she took power over her body in a way almost no Westerosi woman has ever been able to. They were a family unit- Rhaenyra, Laenor, and Harwin. Those children were loved and cherished by two fathers and their mother. They were raised never doubting their mothers love, nor their father's- either father. They were raised and educated to be true, good princes of the realm.

Rhaenyra fought like hell for her children. She was an incredible mother. Yall just believe everything the Green faction says without looking at it critically, and that's unfortunate as hell.

#rhaenyra targaryen #pro rhaenyra targaryen #anti team green #anti alicent hightower #anti team green stans #pro team black #in defense of rhaenyra targaryen #anti alicent hightower stans #anti criston cole #anti team green fans #anti criston cole stans #anti vaemond velaryon #anti green faction #anti otto hightower #pro laenor velaryon #cersei lannister #anti robert baratheon #laena velaryon #visenya targaryen #in defense of lucerys velaryon #pro lucerys velaryon #lucerys velaryon #pro jacaerys velaryon targaryen #jacaerys velaryon #jacaerys targaryen #in defense of jacaerys velaryon #pro joffrey velaryon #joffrey velaryon #aegon iii targaryen #viserys ii targaryen

[nrilliree]

"Rhaenyra is not worthy to rule! The Iron Throne rejected her! The throne hurt her and Viserys, but never Aegon II! That means he is worthy to rule!"

Apart from the fact that Rhaenyra apparently cut herself so badly that she left a stream of blood while wearing armor…

People… but you know that even Aegon I was cut by the throne? You know, the guy who… well, created the Iron Throne? And he was considered one of the best kings of the Targaryen dynasty? He cut his hand when he opened the letter from the Martells.

Aegon I cut himself on the throne, but Aegon IV did not. Does this mean that Aegon IV was more "worthy" of being king than Aegon I? Or does it mean that creating a throne from a pile of sharp iron is not a good idea because you can easily cut yourself?

#house of the dragon #team black #anti team green #hotd #pro team black #rhaenyra targaryen #anti team green stans #asoiaf #fandom nonsense #hotd nonsense

[lizzie-queenofmeigas]

Something something the Dance showing how much harm can a loud minority cause something something the Green stans being a loud minority sprouting misogynistic retoric.

#house of the dragon #hotd #hotd fandom #anti hotd #anti house of the dragon #anti team green #anti team green stans #team black #pro team black #rhaenyra targaryen #the dance of the dragons #dance of the dragons #fire and blood #fire and blood #f&b #fandom misogyny

[sihtriggyr]

Erryk Cargyll is a real one because I also look at Daemon and Rhaenyra like this

#erryk cargyll #Elliott tittensor #house of the dragon #hotd #fire and blood #daemyra #rhaenyra targaryen #daemon targeryan #pro daemon targaryen #pro rhaenyra targaryen #pro Daemyra #daemon x rhaenyra #team black #pro team black #anti team green #anti team green stans #anti alicent hightower

[valkyriepegusus]

As much as I want GRRM to finish and publish Winds of Winter, honestly I can’t even blame him for not being in any sort of rush to do so.

If I were him, and I spent like half my life writing bible sized books— with thousands of pages of additional material that is primarily focused on how the mistreatment of women and the concept of purity culture is extremely destructive and harmful, why heredity monarchies are dangerous, and how biased misogynistic men will manipulate history, only for people to unironically support male primogeniture, be proudly “bastardphobic”, rank characters based on their ability to fight, and sympathize with slavers. I would genuinely just not finish the series as a punishment like I don’t even blame him for not being eager to publish more content just for people to grossly misconstrue.

#pro daenerys #asoiaf critical #hot take #game of thrones critical #team black #pro rhaenyra #queen daenerys #daenerys stormborn #daenerys appreciation #Daenerys is Azor Ahai #daenerys targaryen #pro rhaenyra targaryen #queen rhaenyra #anti team green #anti team green stans #fire and blood

[daenerysies]

“the dance isn’t about misogyny” one, if rhaenyra had been born with a dick the dance would have effectively been prevented (or at least stalled). male!rhaenyra would be seen as the undisputed heir to the throne, and if viserys still ends up marrying alicent (but this is an IF situation because aemma might not even die if v has no reason to keep pushing her for a male heir) the *only* excuse she would have to help usurp the throne is for her own want of power. the ‘my children will be in danger!’ line will not work and no one (besides maybe a few upstarts) will back her.

two, aegon had the chance to name a female heir after he murdered rhaenyra and didn’t. both of his sons were dead, his enemy was dead, the only other living male targaryen that he knew of was his captive. it’s *almost* like aegon knew he backed himself into a corner all on the basis of usurping a woman and couldn’t then name jaehaera as his heir. it probably didn’t help that he knew his days were numbered too once word reached the remaining green council of cregan’s army. he *quite literally* fucked himself. repeatedly. an embarrassing number of times, really. dude kept his massive loser persona in tact right up until the very end. props to him for that i guess.

#there is no other *intelligent* way to view the story #grrm has proven this to be the case over and over again within f&b and asoiaf #targaryen women have been stepped over and shat on ever since aegon conquered westeros #it’s why daenerys being azor ahai/the one to finally break the wheel is so important #rhaenyra targaryen #pro rhaenyra targaryen #team black #anti team green #anti team green stans #fire and blood

[kataraavatara]

team green discourse is so wild because on tumblr it’s “alicent was a victim of rhaenyra’s MENTAL ABUSE because rhaenyra did not tell the truth about her son’s parentage” and you’re like ok someone has a victim complex they’re projecting onto fictional characters moving on and then you get to team green TikTok and they’re making aegon ii edits to hitler speeches and then you’re just like. oh.

#asoiaf tiktok #anti team green #asoiaf #house of the dragon #rhaenyra targaryen #carly’s team black propaganda #team black #anti team green stans #anti aegon ii stans

[pessimisticpigeonsworld]

This shot is from after Viserys reaffirms Lucerys as heir of Driftmark. Notice how Rhaena is smiling and looks pleased with this.

Now, according to TG stans, Rhaena should be furious, fuming, if you will. She's just been "robbed of her birthright" according to them, and she has her evil stepmother, Rhaenyra, to blame.

So tell me, why is Rhaena apparently happy? In fact, why were she and Baela happy to be engaged to Luke and Jace?

For reference, these are their faces when the engagements are announced. They're happy with them and continue to be happy about them in future scenes.

Now, what do these reactions indicate about the characters' feelings? Are they feeling cheated, betrayed, and angry with Rhaenyra and her sons? No.

Rhaena and Baela are not the heirs to Driftmark, they know this, so they don't feel entitled to the Seastone Chair. They, at the very least, care for the Velaryon boys, and feel, again at the very least, loyalty towards Rhaenyra. These are facts in the show; TG stans are simple delusional and have zero media literacy.

#rhaena of pentos #rhaena targaryen #baela targaryen #anti team green stans #anti team green #team black #house of the dragon

[lovedreamer11]

Green fans, when Rhaenyra has bastards:😱🤢🤮😡🤬

Green fans, when Aegon and Aemond have bastards:😀😇😍😎👑

I'm still shocked by those people who seriously believe that Aemond's bastard from Alys (whose existence has not even been confirmed) should ascend to the Iron Throne.

#team black #anti team green #anti team green stans #fire and blood #asoiaf

[rhaenin-time]

B-b-but Rhaenyra's siblings were always in danger and even if she didn't think she'd need to kill them she definitely would have because of all these historical figures who killed or imprisoned those they saw as a threat to their claim:

[Insert list of historical rulers who were not named heirs and who came into power during a power vacuum or crisis where there was either no clear line of succession or where they used force to supplant the line of succession. Also insert list of competing heirs who refused to renounce their claim.]

#the irony of using Henry vs the fucking PLANTAGENETS is not lost on me #Yes very smart historian tell us ALL ABOUT the Plantagenets would you??????? #& honestly if Mary had stfu about being the “rightful Queen” while she was at QE's mercy she had a pretty good chance of QE naming her heir #asoiaf #hotd #team black #asoiaf fandom #anti team green #fire and blood #anti team green stans

[drakaripykiros130ac]

TG stans: “Corlys Velaryon betrays Rhaenyra and switches to the Greens.”

How Aegon the Usurper forces Corlys Velaryon to do his bidding:

“Tell your bastard to fight bravely, my lord. If he fails me, if any of these Braavosi pass the Gullet, your precious Lady Baela shall lose some parts as well.”

The Sea Snake did not plead, or curse, or threaten. He nodded stiffly, rose and took his leave.

- Fire & Blood, page 611

Corlys Velaryon, being on the side of the Blacks, while sitting on the Green Council:

Even that was thought to be too gentle a course by Ser Tyland Lannister, who argued for the immediate execution of Prince Aegon the Younger. “The boy will remain a threat so long as he draws breath”, Lannister declared. “Remove his head, and these traitors will be left with neither queen nor king nor prince. The sooner he is dead, the sooner this rebellion will end.” His words, and those of the king, horrified Lord Velaryon. The aged Sea Snake, “thunderous in his wroth”, accused the king and council of being “fools, liars, and oathbreakers,” and stormed from the chamber.

- Fire & Blood, page 605

Conclusion: Corlys Velaryon never betrayed Rhaenyra, not even after her death. He fought for her son’s rightful claim to the throne without any personal interest, and I am sure he was part of the plot to kill the usurper.

#team black #pro team black #corlys velaryon #baela targaryen #alyn velaryon #anti aegon ii targaryen #aegon iii targaryen #anti team green #anti team green stans #canon asoiaf #asoiaf #asoiaf meta #fire and blood #a song of ice and fire #house targaryen #pro house targaryen #anti house lannister #aegon the usurper #house velaryon #house of the dragon #hotd #queen rhaenyra #rhaenyra targaryen #the dragon queen #the blacks

[watcherintheweyr]

Rhaenyra telling Rhaenys that Jace and Baelas sons would sit the throne wasn't her being against women inheriting... it was her trying to appeal to Rhaenys, who has been condescending and bitter ever since Rhaenyra was named heir.

Rhaenys did tell Rhaenyra the cold truth no one else would, in ep 2. But she *enjoyed doing it.* she looked pleased, that Rhaenyra would suffer the same fate of being set aside, that Rhaenyra would know her pain. Rhaenyra was also *correct* when she clapped back. Their situations were similar and different.

Rhaenys was never named her fathers heir- the lords of the realm never knelt and swore to her. And her dig about the cupbearer position makes.. no sense.

Historically, a cupbearer is a position of honor and favor. By acting as cupbearer, Rhaenyra is witnessing, experiencing, and learning how the realm is governed. Yes, Otto undermines her and Viserys allows it, but that doesn't change that being a cupbearer is a position of honor.

And when Rhaenyra is crowned, she has *Rhaena* as her cupbearer. And further than that, she does for Rhaena and Baela what was never done for her. She invites them TO the table where decisions are made.

That line was done bc she knew Rhaenys still didn't support the idea of Rhaenyra as queen, and she had no guarantee that would change. So she tries to appeal to Rhaenys in the only way left to her at the moment, with the Greens looming over her. And in doing so she sets up Baela to be queen after her- and for Rhaena to be Lady of the Tides, as Rhaenys is now.

Gods I miss book Rhaenys. Eve Best was robbed.

#rhaenyra targaryen #rhaenys targaryen #rhaenys targaryen critical #baela targaryen #rhaena targaryen #pro rhaenyra #pro rhaenyra targaryen #pro team black #anti team green stans #anti team green #please gods. critical thinking.

[nrilliree]

People don't seem to realise that the conflict stopped being Rhaenyra v Alicent the moment Alicent's son was crowned and she lost all the power to the men on her side lol

Exactly. Alicent is no longer queen, Helaena is (for greens). (Yes, I know Alicent is the queen dowager).

From a deleted scene from the script that I saw on tumblr, Alicent stopped mattering to Otto and their council the moment Viserys died because he was willing to trade her off again and marry her to Greyjoy just to get the fleet. (Though I don't know why a young man like Greyjoy would want to marry a forty-year-old with four children?)

Now Aegon and Aemond should matter, not Alicent. They should be better known so that their conflict with Rhaenyra and Daemon makes sense.

#team black #anti team green #pro team black #anti alicent hightower #anti team green stans

[lizzie-queenofmeigas]

Team Green stans and Dany antis have no right to call Daenerys and Rhaenyra for any kind of nickname.

It's Queen Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen, Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men, Lady of the Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm. Queen of Meeren, Breaker of Shackles, Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea and Mother of Dragons for you not Dany.

Same thing for Rhaenyra, it's not Rhae or Nyra is: Queen Rhaenyra of House Targaryen first of her name. Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men, Lady of the Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm.

If you are feeling lazy just called them Queen Rhaenyra or Queen Daenerys, but you lost the right to nicknames when you misunderstood the books so badly. Argue with the wall.

#anti team green #house of the dragon #anti hotd #pro team black #rhaenyra targaryen #team black #anti team green stans #ASoIaF #asoiaf fandom #pro daenerys #daenerys defense squad #anti sansa stans #anti sansa stark stans #'cause it's usually you who hate my girls

[sihtriggyr]

NO BECAUSE SOMEONE ON TWITTER POINTED OUT ARRAX ALSO SEEKING OUT/RUNNING TOWARDS LUKE AND NOW MY DAY IS RUINED

#never noticed it before #obviously not running #but you know what I mean #house of the dragon #hotd #fire and blood #team black #pro team black #lucerys velaryon #luke velaryon #anti team green stans #anti team green #anti aemond targaryen #anti aemond stans #arrax #lucerys and arrax #lucerys targaryen #luke targaryen #elliot grihault