#bramblestar just has a vendetta against leafpool

[shummthechumm]

i will never let this scene go why would they write this

#bramblestar just has a vendetta against leafpool #ever since tnp #like yes he treats squilf like shit and everyone else around him tbh #but the erins want the readers to like him so bad and then throw in shit like this #no if it wasnt clear physically threatening to harm someone because they wont listen to you is not normal #esp if your bullheadedness may cause someones DEATH #WHY COULDNT UR DECLINE BE AN ACTUAL CORRUPTION ARC INSTEAD OF WHATEVER SHIT THIS IS #squirrelflights hope spoilers #bramble has always hated ppl questioning his authority like he has consistent characterization #quote on quote #but is it even characterization if thats not how the authors want u to view his character #like we're supposed to view his char in a positive light #but i do not #pls just embrace his flaws as an individual and use it strengthen your stories instead of #this

[harriertail]

I could be wrong, but I assumed the whole "code breaking vendetta" was always just an excuse Ashfur used to punish Squirrelflight (because it was a reason to target her loved ones: condemned Leafpool, exiled Lionblaze & Jayfeather, etc). He doesnt give Squirrelflight as much of a hard time about the lie, because *he doesnt actually care about codebreaking* and just wants her & for her to feel pain because she didnt choose him. And now he "has her" as his "mate" through stealing Bramblestars body.

Yes Oakstar would make more sense.. if the villain was meant to care about the code in the first place. In life and death Ashfur only cared about Squirrelflight. The villain of the arc isn't a moralistic tyrant - it's an incel using the warrior code as a means to an end to manipulate others. Or at least thats how I see it?

I agree that Ashfur only pretended to care about the code and used the codebreaker stuff, and then went “mask off” once he was caught- but why tf does the code still matter then if its not the point of his villainy? Like why does AliTM act like changing the code will prevent another Ashfur possessing someone? To me it feels like they didn’t have the ending planned and didn’t know who the imposter was- hence why Mothwing, Dovewing, and others were brought up as codebreakers, to keep the door open in a way before they decided it was really ashfur. TBC feels like the plot was “here’s a leader who suddenly cares about upholding the code but he may be possessed by some StarClan cat with a vendetta against the Clans for violating all their laws- oh no just the half-Clan stuff- oh no turns out its actually someones shitty ex- but dw we still care about the code stuff we prommy!!” just kinda falls a bit. flat. Like they brought up smth so interesting but then plot twisted to ashfur but still kept half the original bit but not even in a.. good way lol. To me it just felt badly written

#this is like in a meta sense i guess? like #ashfur makes sense to me he used the codebreaker stuff as a cover but why did the characters feel the need to keep it #i dunno #i like the code evolving and changing im just over the changing clans thing #i think its becoz bristleroot fell so flat for me as well #and bristles arc didnt make sense #and shadowsights ended so ://////

[canon-notcanon-warriorcats]

Thoughts on the Silent Thaw

Submitted by: honeybeesickness

Sooooo I finally got to read it and I have to speak.

-How did Brambleghost not see someone take his body?

-Rootpaw ignoring the ghost of a cat begging for help because he doesn’t wanna be like tree? God he’s a stupid boi

-FIX THE ELDERS DEN CLOUDTAIL AND GRAYSTRIPE DIDNT LIVE THIS LONG FOR YA SHIT

-Please let Dewnose kill Fakestar just because he forgot his name

-Jayfeather doesn’t seem like much of a dick in this book as he was in Lost stars thank god.

-The fact that Thriftear and Flipclaw’s warrior ceremony happened between books angers me. They’re LITERALLY the Protagonist’s siblings also Ear and claw make me think of Smallear and Tigerclaw.

-Goddamnit Rootpaw quit drowning.

-Fakestar trying time get Squirrelflight to spend more time with him instead of doing normal deputy duties makes me feel like it’s Ashfur. Also why give Bristlefrost so many duties? She’s young as heck. It’s like Fireheart assigning Patrols in The Rising Storm

-Bristlefrost doesn’t need all this responsibility at such a young age and the way he continues to praise Bristlefrost just feels wrong.

-Thank god Tree had a moment with his son. Please… Let Rootpaw learn to like his dad and not see him as strange.

-Fakestar needs to let Squirrelflight do her thing. We all know if you don’t let Squirrelflight do her thing she will beat your ass.

-leaders eat before the elders? Graystripe please put him in his place or one of the elders Cloudtail Brightheart but like ONE OF THEM CHALLENGE HIM. Not Thornclaw though. He’s too conservative at this point to stand up to Fakestar.

-Banishing Lionblaze? One of the strongest cats in the clan? You do realize if you get in a battle without Lionblaze it’ll make things a lot more difficult than it has to be. The only cats I can think of that are stronger than Lionblaze are Squirrelflight and Bramblestar. Also this makes it seem like Ashfur because we know he has a personal vendetta against the Three. With Hollyleaf dead and Jayfeather in an important position of power Lionblaze is the easiest to get rid of.

-Spotfur not being aloud to speak? God damnit leave her alone. She’s also one of Lionblaze’s kits.

-OKAY WHY WAS ANTFUR CLIMBING A PINE TREE?? AND WHY DID TIGERHEARTSTAR LET HIM OUT OF CAMP?!

-Cinnamontail and Blazefire’s reactions to their friends death made me almost cry.

-Shadowsight just Shouldn’t listen time his dad. Be rebellious you good boi

-“I’ll check who my parents are before I’m born next time.” Put him in his PLACE Lionblaze

-Personally I think Lionblaze is listed as a code breaker because of his short relationship with Heathertail and killing Russetfur.

-DO FUCKING NOT KILL SPARKPELT WHO YOU JUST GAVE A SHIT TON OF CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. IT WOULD ALL BE WASTED IF SHE DIES. Also if we specify her injuries and they are REALLY bad maybe she could Bond with Brightheart who has also been attacked by dogs.

-The dog trap is giving me Tigerstar flash backs. But also Ashfur’s mom did die because of the scheme so Ashfur is still a possibility

-Finally realizing it didn’t come from Starclan. It took him a whole ass book to realize. I personally like to think Leafpool chased him out of Starclan. Like when people said Bluestar chased THC out of Starclan.

-Rootpaw telling Bramblestar to Shut up will forever be remembered.

-Breezepelt I Hope will convince Crowfeather, Nightcloud and His family about Bramblestar cause they are a FORCE to be reckoned with. And Crowfeather knows Bramblestar like he knows how to catch a rabbit so I completely think Crowfeather would understand Breezepelt.

-Stemleaf can likely get his Siblings on his side cause why else would they still be alive?

-Spotfur can rally up Lionblaze and his other kits along with Cinderheart.

-Sneezecloud can get whatever family he has in Riverclan.

-Tree covering for Rootpaw even though Rootpaw thought he was rude is so nice of Tree. He understands how it feels to be casted out for being different and doesn’t want that for his son and I love it.

-Yes Squirrelflight and Leafstar’s connection hasn’t been forgotten. Please let their friendship help in the final battle.

-Dovewing should have stayed in Twoleg Place and become a Kittypet. I wouldn’t trust any of this shit.

-Bramblestar hushing Shadowsight when he says his visions weren’t from Starclan is quite worrisome to me.

-Tree wanting to leave the clans makes me quite sad but I definitely understand why he would want to.

-BUMBLESTRIPE YOU BITCH. Graystripe didn’t raise you to be like this. Also I’m worried he’ll become an antagonist and insist on Dovewing’s punishment due to her breaking the code instead of being with him cause he’s an incel like that.

-Poor Squirrelflight. She came back to life to be with her kin and now she’s being forced away from them. Ashfur doing that is quite possible. He wouldn’t want her to stay with the family she built with Bramblestar and not him.

-Tigerheartstar listen to Tree goddamnit last time you didn’t listen to a Skyclan cat you ended up Killing Leafpool and Moonlight in a rock slide.

-I hate Scorchfur. Please kill him. If I remember Correctly he agreed that Rowanstar’s Leadership was weak and continued to Question his authority leading to Shadowclan’s destruction. And now he’s going against code breakers even AFTER Shadowsight says his visions weren’t from Starclan?!

-Either we get Berrystar or Berrynose dies brutally there is no inbetween. Personally since Fakestar was showing anger towards Berrynose I’m leaning on the latter.

-“Twigbranch and Finleap continue their punishment of digging up a thornbush, which the new deputy makes harder.” Berrynose makes a lot of things harder tbh.

-There is no goddamn way Shadowsight died. He can’t be dead don’t do this to me.

Overall. It was a good book. Fakestar is a bastard and so is Tigerheartstar. Another Cliffhanger ending to make Readers wait for the next book release.

#warrior cats #the silent thaw spoilers #tst spoilers #yeah basically #it's a very good book but very stressful #i hope berrynose dies next book #he's like the first cat bramblefake directly kills #and everyone's like HE KILLED HIS OWN APPRENTICE #also i want leafstar to see squirrelflight as her daughter #submission