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#but all I know from spoilers is that Roxy and Sun-Moon (Eclipse?) helped Cassie
lunameimei · 9 months
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when your friend just tried to kill your friend
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visionthefox · 9 months
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DCA RUIN THEORY! SPOILERS!!
DCA theory -
First! - Sun and Moon are not what we saw in the first game, the virus not only affected Moon, but Sun too . since Sun acts odd, he picks you up and puts you in one place, always – every time..
why? No child is ever gonna stay still for too long, so.. is odd, also, his voice line, the “trouble” one and the “lights on” – clearly something is wrong.. he sounds worried but frustrated too..
he wants the player to focus on him, stay still,, not really what they should do, I think..but they are not aggressive, their jumpscare is not attacking, Moon hands are visible, unlike the rest.. who have their faces in you face - Moon is not that creepy if you look at it- or maybe is just me haha -
so maybe.. just maybe, Sun was the energetic one, jumps, run , play time! He was happy, carefree! filled with energy so kids get tired- Moon was soft, caring, but quiet and calm, since there is  collectible of moonie, I swear -I saw it, it showed Cassy opinión “ I never sleep better” (didnt find the screenshot that I wanted but this works too)
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so they were harmless! only after the virus is that parents started to complain, but before? It was good.. thats to explains the strange behaviors - now another thing that got me curious..
- The light issue, I feel like the whole  “lights on – off” is just  an option  installed but not activated, like a flash in the phone! you can have it, or not!
maybe they run but time – they must have an internal clock! So first was Sun - or course, he makes the kiddos tired maybe then comes Eclipse? Or maybe he is just the safe mode, the mix of the two for when there is any child with  special needs of lonely, maybe just for  when there is no many kiddos, Eclipse shows up, maybe doesn't mention who he is, he just, shows up, and takes care of them all, being the perfect mix ¡ happy  but calm! -keep in mind , im not tech - so all I know is what I see and experienced - for me Eclipse can be
1- another AI or
2- a safety protocol who desactivates some of Sun and Moon more energetic behavious - kinda lika a - save battery option- maybe.. or the closer thing..
I don't think the reboot got rid of Moon -he seems.. annoyed, in pain, the light system doesn't work anymore due to the daycare being not dark and not bright , is a middle that causes errors,  seems like Moon has been in control for most time..Sun shows up from time to time - maybe to look for a way to get fixed.. to get help..
Moon acts odd still.. but may be just his AI being too broken,-or the pure pain of the gears not working as they should be! but is not bad! My baby is not bad! Is just in pain! There is a clear long sigh when they are rebooted, like Moon can finally rest! The reboot  got rid of the light option and now they run with the time zone option!! reason why Eclipse says "I need to clean up before we can open in the morning" so.. when Cassy gets to them , is already night but since maybe they havent charge in a long time or - their system detected the virus-or Moon ai being corrupted, then Eclipse took charge .. is also curious.. is eclipse not seeying the desaster? is this safe mode unable to make them raalize their tragic fate?.. maybe just they focus on the girl in from of them - then may have seen the real deal..
yeahm that's my idea so far..
Eclipse is always been in there, but maybe with the “run the AI by light system” he didn't showed up in the small time we got to be in the daycare.. – we only see Moon.. - that and - maybe since is was close time- there was no need for him to show up!
Then the reboot free him! Yey! And curious, he knows cassy.. Sun doesnt.. maybe is the pain? Maybe is the mask.. yes. The mask. When we fix them, there is no mask, just her face.. Eclipse took a look at her , and just calls her birtday.. is odd , he and Roxy mention this.. Roxy in a more casual manner but that can be due to her not being programmed to care for kidds , just entretaint them - she maybe - like a learning AI - have some people she likes more, she may know when someone is a casual or a usual visitor.. meanwhile Eclipse - maybe he remembers everyone.. also, curious thing.. the mask shows lines in their body , doesnt fill the missing part like it does to Roxy, like here - or even like the cameras does!
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I know she is a node? thing? (Im not sure the words or what even is going on) so she is like, special for the story.. but then.. taking that aside, chica is seen different, just like endos and appaently Monty.. Roxy is filled, Freddy is not even there when using the mask.. the only one who Looks! the same but just Acts different is the DCA.. is odd - but cool detail..
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also, there's a dialoge of Sun, saying "not me . the other me!"
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so this means Sun see Moon as his other side? I know the book mentions they used to act in the teather as hero and villain, and sharing one body, they may just learn to see each other as "my other half " in a way.. one could read it is "is just one AI pretending to be two characters" but I rather think is two AI who know they must work as one, in harmony , in a choreography dance maybe is the system of light that keeps them separated - thats why Moon said the lights hurts, is a forced change they cant do cuz they are locked in some type of error .. one specia error we -or Cassy end up fixing with a reboot and again, only Eclipse knows who she is.. maybe the idiots running the daycare put on so many locks on poor Moonie and Sunny here that end up locking info data? humans can be messy! idk.. thats most of my ideas.. the idea that Sun and Moon see each other as one - breaks my idea I used to have of them- but is an concept I love!! love it!! not only is cute! as clearly is not a "we pretend to be two" but "we are two who like to be one" kinda like BloodMoon! but in wholesome way since in no way Sun seems afraid to Moon! if anything they seem to wish to be closer! also again, the collectable! Moon was good! I swear! he has to be good! welp, thanks for reading me!! <3
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m1st1x · 9 months
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RUIN Theory! - AR
As always, spoilers for the RUIN dlc. Don’t say I didn’t warn you. We’re going into the AR aspects today.
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AR stands for Augmented Reality, which is different from VR (Virtual Reality). Augmented means to make something greater in value or size, which is what we see throughout the game. Helpi even says that “Fazbear has just made it better,” which matches up. No discrepancies here. Here I’m going to write down some observations and tell you what I think, but feel free to come to your own conclusions with the information I present.
The first thing I noticed is that Prototype Freddy doesn’t show up, which I’m sure you already know. He also can’t see you, which would line up with what we see in Security Breach. I suspect that this is because he isn’t in the Network, whether that’s because he’s in safe mode or just too broken to count is up for debate. I mean he is missing his head and seems to be out for mindless revenge as well as all the graffiti art leading into Fazerblast, but then again, Monty is doing that as well and still shows up on the Network. Speaking of Monty, he, Chica, and all the Endos show up as pink outlines. Monty and Chica can see you from what I understand, but the Endos won’t bother you. That might be because they’re broken enough to not recognize that you’re wearing the mask, AKA presumably not a threat, but I don’t have much of an idea on why the Endos ignore you. I feel like Vanny would’ve wanted them to see her if she was feeding them information on how to be Afton, but then again, maybe she just managed them while invisible. It would be safer for her. And the last main animatronic, Roxy, has green holograms (?) over her body to make up for the lack of material there. My first thought was that it was due to her being something we can deactivate, but the other nodes aren’t green like that. Now that I’m looking at it again after my previous theories, I think that it might just be the animatronic in the basement manipulating our view. It’s already been established that it can puppeteer Helpi with the purple vein things and yellow eyes, so who’s to say it couldn’t make her look different? But the real question is why. It couldn’t be to create an emotional attachment stronger, that would just lower the possibility of Cassie actually deactivating her. The only possible benefit I see from doing it is the extra agony that could come of it when the animatronic kills Cassie, but even then I feel like the risk outweighs the reward. It could also be the Entity trying to guilt trip Cassie, but that seems unlikely to me.
Onto the other bots. We don’t get to see Eclipse in AR, but we do see both Sun and Moon. One super odd but intriguing thing I found was that Sun only shows up in AR, while Moon is only present in the real world. Even their lines match up. This suggests that they’re both present, but only Moon can technically be out since it’s dark. There’s probably some symbolism that I’m not picking up on, but it’s interesting. Also you can only reboot Moon, it won’t let you do it with Sun. And, Sun is able to speak in the real world after you reboot them. (Side note: Sun’s side when in AR looks like the wet floor bots—you know, the ones you deactivate. Just thought it was something interesting to point out.) For the mini music men, some show up and some don’t. That probably means that some aren’t connected to the Network, which suggests that not all of them belonged to Vanny. Were they controlled by the Blob? Someone else? Maybe DJ was behind it. He can’t get out of the arcade, so maybe he got some friends to help him out. Who knows. His arcade seems to have a similar layout to the purple AR world that were brought to, so maybe he’s more connected to the main lore than we think.
I’m guessing that everything that we can walk through in AR is made by high tech illusion discs, but I have no real basis for that other than the fact that I’m pretty sure the animatronics can walk through them without issue. But someone must have come in after the destruction to put in some of the things, because there is an AR bridge (that you can fall through out of AR, oddly enough. One less point for illusion discs) over a destroyed portion of the catwalks in Gator Golf. I don’t see why Vanny (/Vanessa) would come back after escaping, but maybe she isn’t as nice (or as free) as I’m thinking. I will say this now though, I’m not even going to touch the portal stuff. Matpat and FuhNaff can figure that out. But I will say that Monty Golf is right next to the Daycare on the map, so the screen thing is just getting rid of an obstacle, not traveling through a portal. 
The environment is interesting in AR. Some things appear differently in AR, including but not limited to, some vending machines showing Roxy instead of whichever animatronic was there, Cassie being on cutouts, and the voice lines that you hear, with the ones from Gregory being new. Cassie being there was the most confusing for me. The voice lines seem to just be memories and the animatronic in the basement leading you to the correct outcomes (a bit frantically, might I add), most likely just mimicking what it heard the animatronics say (there are eyes everywhere after all). But the cutouts suggest that there was some sort of plan for her. Then again, it could just be the animatronic pushing her towards saving it. Adding more fuel to the fire, as they say. But what if it means that whoever was controlling Vanessa and Gregory (see Escape Plan Theory) was somehow responsible for sparking the friendship between Gregory and Cassie?
EDIT: adding on to the mention of eyes, Sun says “the googly eyes just stare,” which could be a reference to the animatronic watching, listening, and learning.
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icarusthefoolish · 9 months
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I just finished the Security Breach Ruin DLC and i have sooooo many questions
So spoiler warning if you haven't watched or played the Dlc don't read this
or do i don't care.
Ok so to quickly explain the character of this Dlc is called Cassy she gets called into the Pizza Plex by Gregory because he's Trapped so she has to save him.
We run though the Pizza plex and get this mask in the begining which looks like Vanny's mask we put it on and get introduced to the V.A.N.N.I system, basically the mask allows us to pass through certain objects i don't know why or how but not important. We find out Gregory is trapped in the sink hole under Roxy Raceway where the Original Family Diner used to be.
We make our way there with the help of the Mask but it's infected with this Virus i guess? Which manifest as a bonny sort of looking thing. We have to stealth our way through Monty Golf, Roxy Raceway and Fazer Blast.
We also have to deal with the Animatronics Monty, Chica and Roxy mainly.
We also have to go through the Daycare and restore Sun/Moon and we end up meeting Eclipse which was absolutely adorable and sweet.
Basically when we get to Roxy race way we see Roxy but Gregory talks to us which enrages her because she's obviously still have a huge grudge against him.
Roxy ends up catching us but after Cassy speaks she lets her go and apologizes. We enter Fazer Blast and end up seeing Freddy but instead of being nice and all he attacks us. But it turns out That Freddy is most likely a prototype of our Freddy since he had Prototype stamped on his foot. After we get out of Fazer Blast we figure out the last Node to deactivate to get to the sink hole is Roxy herself. We get a little backstory for Cassy from what i got she had a birthday at the Pizza plex but none of her friends came Roxy was the animatronic to comfort her which is why Cassy likes her so much.
After deactivating Roxy we get to the sink hole and deactivate some sort of security system to find Gregory we find him....not because it turns out something mimicked his voice.
That thing lets just call it the Mimick is dangerous amd almost attacks us but Roxy stepps in and we flee with the help of maybe the real Gregory. Gregory leads us because he has a friend who knows the Pizza Plex.
We get to an elevator and Gregory starts talking. He has this entire thing he talks about before saying that thr Mimick can't get out but since it's tracking us that's a high possibility so Gregory apologizes before dropping the Elevator we are in most likely sending Cassy to her death...
But we hear Roxy say Cassy right before the credits role so maybe another DLC??
I have so many questions after this:
What is that thing in the sink hole? Is it connected to the Mimick from the books?
What is that blue Rabbit thing we see with the mask?
What happened to Freddy is he ok?
What's the backstory between cassy and Gregory?
How did Roxy appear to save Cassy after we deactivated her?
Is Cassy dead after that elevator fall?
Why did Gregory just suddenly decide to basically become a murderer?
Who is the friend who knows the Pizza Plex Gregory mentions?
And more genuinely this dlc was really good and bumped up the scare factor from the original game but this god damn dlc brought up more questions then it actually answered.
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