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gospelborn · 1 month

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When Do Tongues and Prophecy Cease?

(In my second article on “The Best Arguments for Cessationism” I mentioned that I would address the argument for the continuation of the gifts based on 1 Corinthians 13:8-13. I addressed this matter directly in a sermon I recently preached, Heaven Is a World of Love. The following is an excerpt from that sermon.) Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will…

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#1 Corinthians 13:8-13 #cessationism #continuationism #Holy Spirit #Prophecy #spiritual gifts #the bible #The church #Tongues

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officialyourdailyinspiration · 26 days

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Cessationism Interview With Dr. Tom Pennington In the latest episode of the Didache podcast, Justin Peters interviews Dr. Tom Pennington, pastor of Countryside Bible Church, on his book, "A Biblical Case for Cessationism: Why the Miraculous Gifts of the Spirit Have Ended." The discussion delves into cessationism, the belief that miraculous gifts have ceased with the Apostolic Age, versus continuationism, which holds that such gifts persist. Pennington clarifies cessationism, countering misconceptions of the Holy Spirit's inactivity post-Pentecost, asserting the Spirit's ongoing, vital role through non-miraculous means like Scripture. The conversation covers the New Testament's categorization of spiritual gifts, historical patterns of miracles, and responses to common counterarguments, emphasizing the sufficiency of Scripture and the dangers of undermining it through extrabiblical revelations.

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sadsongsandwaltzes · 1 year

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one thing that’s odd to me in baptist/evangelical circles is that theology is *treated* like a customizable lunch tray

pick your soteriology: calvinist/Arminian

Now pick an eschatological side argument: premil/postmil

As a treat, we can argue about continuationism

For the record, I’m not saying the theology itself states all these can be true or that it doesn’t matter. I’m simply pointing out how it’s put in practice and the lack of grounding doctrine.

#like I don’t see Lutherans being like ‘so my fellow brothers in Christ are you premil or postmil’#‘oh haha I was raised premil but I’m personally postmil now’#like it doesn’t matter? and it’s something you choose?#one amazinf this about Lutheranism is I can go ask a pastor a theological question #and I’m going to get the same answer no matter which pastor I go to #(assuming he’s worth his salt)#a pastors ‘personal take’ doesn’t really matter

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calebyap · 2 years

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Cessationism from Tom Schreiner

Schreiner argues that 1 Cor 13:10 is an argument for continuationism because its immediate context suggests that prophecy should be expected until the eschaton of Christ’s return (the perfect comes).

Instead, he argues that the issue hinges on what you think an apostle and prophet is (one who speaks forth inerrant Scripture).

Textually, his argument is based on Eph 2:20 and Eph 3:5 and that we should not expect there to be any more apostles in that strict, narrow sense.

#schreiner #inerrancy #prophecy #cessationism #holy spirit

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questions-for-christians · 5 years

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No more prophets any more?

In a comment on my post, here, someone said that there have been no more prophets since Jesus because “He was God’s last gift to the people”. That leaves me with a few questions.

1. Where does it say this in scripture?

2. So who was John the Revelator who wrote the book of revelations after Jesus?

3. What do we make of Agabus, Philip the Evangelist (Acts 8:26) and his four daughters (Acts 21:8, 9), and Simeon Niger all of whom are connected to acts of prophecy after the time of Jesus?

4. What are we to make of the Two Witnesses in Revelation 11:3?

5. Likewise, the gifts of prophecy are mentioned throughout the new testament.

Pursue love and be eager for the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy.

1 Corinthians 14:1 [NET]

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And we have different gifts according to the grace given to us. If the gift is prophecy, that individual must use it in proportion to his faith.

Romans 12:6 [NET]

which are just two example. Therefore, I have to inquire why the writers would talk about things that were no longer relevant. Specifically, why we should desire prophecy if it is no longer given?

#cessationism #continuationism #prophets #prophesy #Romans #1 Corinthians

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kingdomoftheheavens · 3 years

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Introduction to the Word and Voice of God

Introduction to the Word and Voice of God--various positions on the Bible and whether God still speaks to people

There is general agreement among Christians that God, in some sense, spoke the Creation into existence, as asserted by such scriptures as Genesis 1, John 1:1-5 and Hebrews 11:3, There is also general agreement that Jesus is himself the Word of God, come in human form and that he now sustains the whole Creation by his Word. John 1:1-14; Hebrews 1:3; Colossians 1:16. However, there are longstanding…

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#cessationism #competing positions #continuationism #God speaks #summary #Voice of God #Word of God

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cpoteet · 5 years

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This article ends with poor application, but it starts off with a very lucid point: most Continuationists today are very inconsistent. If you believe the gifts are still around and uphold the very obvious NT imperatives around them then they should be pursued more.

#gifts #cessationism #continuationism

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coffeeman777 · 4 years

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how can two saved christians have completely opposite beliefs on an issue (like calvinists and arminians, cessationism vs continuationism, etc.), yet both be fully convinced of their position? they both have access to the same Bible but draw vastly different conclusions from it. how can i ever decide what to believe theologically when the other side will always make an equally good argument? how can i know all my theological beliefs are correct and that i’m not a heretic?

The Bible doesn't always answer every theological question as clearly as we would like. Sometimes the Bible introduces several ideas that at first glance don't seem to agree, like a handful of puzzle pieces that all definitely belong to the same puzzle but don't interlock with each other, leaving us to figure out how to connect them.

Sometimes theological disagreements are the result of misinterpretation, either by accident or design. Sometimes they have less to do with what the Scripture says and more to do with our traditions, or with our own opinions.

I answered an ask not long ago where I wrote about the differences between essential doctrines and secondary doctrines, and that is relevant here. As long as a person affirms and confesses the essential doctrines of Christianity, the legitimacy of their faith isn't called into question; both an Arminian and a Calvinist can hold each other to be orthodox Christians despite their differences. Those essential doctrines are very clearly laid out in Scripture, such that anyone can understand them.

The Westminster Confession puts it this way:

"All things in Scripture are not alike plain in themselves, nor alike clear unto all: yet those things which are necessary to be known, believed, and observed for salvation are so clearly propounded, and opened in some place of Scripture or other, that not only the learned, but the unlearned, in a due use of the ordinary means, may attain unto a sufficient understanding of them."

You'll find that across the many different denominations of Christians, most agree on these essential doctrines. So, while there is a lot of difference between various groups of Christians, the core of the faith is generally maintained.

My advice to you is to learn to study the Scriptures so that you know what they say. Learn to be able to see the difference between essential and secondary doctrines. Find a good Bible-based church and dive in. Read books written by reputable Bible teachers. Draw your own conclusions about the secondary things to the best of your ability; be humble about it and willing to change your perspective if you're shown to be in error. Hold fast to the essential things; be completely immovable where they're concerned, and you never have to worry about falling into heresy.

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apocrypals · 4 years

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I hope this isn’t a stupid question but it hit me recently that I had no idea. Were there any canonical prophets after Jesus? Or is it that after he died we didn’t need any prophets because we had the j man? I’ve been doing some big googling and then I remembered the two scholars from my favorite podcast

It will probably not surprise you to learn that the answer to this is complicated!

From a broad point of view, John the Baptist is regarded as the last of the Old Testament-style prophets, in that he was the last forerunner to the coming of Jesus. However, Jesus is referred to as a prophet in the New Testament as well, as are a handful of others. What the exact distinction is will vary from church to church, with more dispensationalist churches (churches who subscribe to the view that history is divided into “dispensations” or eras in which God’s relationship to humanity changes; we discuss this briefly in our Revelation episode I THINK) fully believing the Age of Prophets went out with Johnny Bapto.

The question of whether there COULD be new prophets is another complicated one. Many, but not all, Protestants believe that stuff like prophecy and miracles and speaking in tongues and other gifts of the Holy Spirit just straight up don’t happen anymore. This is obviously not universal, with Catholics notably having priests whose whole deal is investigating claims of miracles. This article on Cessationism vs Continuationism has more information.

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in-christalone · 4 years

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how can two saved christians have completely opposite beliefs on an issue (like calvinists and arminians, cessationism vs continuationism, etc.), yet both be fully convinced of their position? they both have access to the same Bible but draw vastly different conclusions from it. how can i ever decide what to believe theologically when the other side will always make an equally good argument? how can i know all my theological beliefs are correct and that i’m not a heretic?

That’s an extremely valid question that unfortunately I’m not knowledgeable enough to answer, I’m sorry.

The best attempt I have is to look at the way they present scripture. Are they trying to twist scripture to fit their agenda or are they taking scripture as a whole and appreciating it in its entirety?

What side gives glory to God? And what side gives glory and excuse to men?

Since I am reformed and have Calvinist views, I have seen the truth lain in with Calvinist terms

#reformed #calvinism

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gospelborn · 1 month

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The Best Arguments for Cessationism (Pt. 3)

This is part three of a summary of the best arguments for cessationism. You can read part one and part two, and the best arguments for continuationism here. Experiential Arguments Experiential arguments are not terribly persuasive since they are limited to the experiences of the individual, and those experiences themselves must be interpreted. Yet, while lacking deductive power, they may be the…

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#cessationism #Charles Spurgeon #Church #continuationism #Holy Spirit

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pastorbillwhatshotn · 4 years

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The Genesis of Discord and Strife Jesus Mentioned is the Korach Portion Explained

Welcome to this sermon which also happens to be a Torah portion, which is called Korach (Korah). But what is Korach or Korahand what did is meant by Jesus mentioned it and why? First, we will define and see what the Bible says about Strife, Envy, Causing Discord, Sowing Discord, to explain Korach or Korah. Defining Strife: noun. vigorous or bitter conflict, discord, or antagonism: to be at…

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sadsongsandwaltzes · 3 years

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Me: “oh wow my brain is worn out. I’m gonna take a few weeks break from theology stuff haha”

Also me: *accidentally starts arguments about cessationism and continuationism*

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calebyap · 4 years

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#poythress #spiritual gifts #1 corinthians #holy spirit #cessationism #continuationism

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thinktheology · 4 years

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What's with all the Buzz about #APEST? - A Book Review of 5Q by Alan Hirsch

What’s with all the Buzz about #APEST? – A Book Review of 5Q by Alan Hirsch

Full disclosure up front: I love Alan Hirsch! He is one of my favorite authors and missional thinkers/leaders. His book, The Forgotten Ways, literally changed my life. But enough about that.

In 2017, I walked out of the Missio Alliance conference with an armful of books, and when I posted a picture of my new stack of missional books on Twitter, Alan replied, ‘let me know what you think’ –…

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#APEST #Cessationism #Church #Church Government #Church Leadership #Continuationism #Ecclesiology #Leadership #Missional Theology #Spiritual Gifts

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andrewpcannon · 5 years

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Spiritual Gifts, pt. 6

Pray, lifting your requests before God and praising Him for His goodness. Be sure to ask Him to speak to your heart during your devotional time.

Read today’s passage of Scripture in your Bible and be ready to journal.

Record your thoughts. What stands out to you?

How does today’s reading apply to your life? How does it reveal your insufficiencies? What change does God’s word call you to today?

Re…

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