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fangirlbase · 4 years

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Imagine - KEVIN TRAN

Hide in the boat

Being trapped in that boat with three guys it was a shit, especially when one clearly hated you. It wasn't everyone who had the privilege of being hated by Dean Winchester, especially for no reason. But the truth was, the guy couldn't stand being in the same place as you without making a face.

Being confined in the same boat did not improve the situation at all, but it was the way you had managed to protect Kevin from Crowley while he translated the sign. It wasn't too long ago that you had gotten a break for the boy - which had resulted in great advances in translation, but at the same time in Dean's fury.

Sure, you didn't have much time for fun since the situation was critical, but since you had changed that kiss in the kitchen things had changed between you two. From the moment they forcibly confessed that they had been watching each other for some time, the exchange of glances was no longer so hidden. Whenever you were around, it was certain that someone would catch Kevin looking at you, and you lokking at him. When they could even talk and play the little fingers with their hands together.

But they have not been able to advance since.

Whenever they could be alone — which was very rare — something would happen that would get in their way. It had already been Castiel coming up with news, lunch time, and even a new episode of Kevin's favorite show.

This was one of the differences between the two of you: while Kevin was raving about thriller shows and thrillers, you were in love with romantic doramas - which gave you a slightly different view of Asian guys. And if they once made fun of you for drooling on American shows, it all got worse when they discovered the doramas.

You lived with Kevin, you knew he wasn't that way, but whenever you did something that could be associated with a romantic scene you screamed inwardly. The time he was eating lamen and offering you, every time they could kiss but he would rather just be together - okay, that part irritated you deeply - or even when he cursed Dean on his language.

Kevin seemed to notice his cracking and used it to distract himself in his spare time. He loved to play with your emotions, always tempting you to the extreme and then being hugged. Often this resulted in a desperate kiss from you or an overpowering kiss when it caught you off guard. He had even confessed that if you were not in that perilously dangerous situation he would call you to a typical bedtime encounter.

But, unfortunately, all they could be content with was splitting lamen while watching some drama in their room. Being a small boat, her room was separate from the boys, having the luxury of being private.

On the rare nights they had time to watch any soap operas or shows together, Kevin preferred it to be in his room. Not for ulterior motives, but knowing that it would not be disturbed there. You and your room had become your outlet for the world - and maybe that was a good thing.

That night they watched a fantasy novel in which a supernatural being desperately tried to kill the guardian of great power, but had been condemned to love her, being arrested by a bracelet, as a way to prevent him from eating her. Until the drama was very engaging, special effects well done and best of all: it distracted Kevin from the damn stone. Although it involved demons, none of them even remembered Crowley's constant threat.

"Do you think he can keep her in the end?" You asked casually, playing with a loose thread of the quilt.

-Doramas are full of twists, but I don't think that will happen in that one. They are from the first episode telling what will happen, but we hope the opposite.

“Do you think this will happen to us too?”

“What?” Kevin was staring at you in confusion.

“From the beginning Crowley says we won't make it, Sam and Dean also make that very clear. We need to hide here so Crowley wouldn't kill you. Do you really think we'll be able to reverse this in the end? Or are we just being late?”

“I…. I have no idea, Y / n. But I'm making progress with the board, thanks to you. So I prefer to think that we do have chances.”

You went back to watching the show, but the tense mood had set in. Kevin sensed his unease and it was bothering him. As much as you said nothing, he knew that their bid could evolve into something more serious. He was starting to like you himself, and he didn't want you to worry.

With a quick movement, Kevin laid his body on the bed, half his body on top of yours. You had been caught off guard at his mercy. He knew how you enjoyed those moments, so he just smiled, getting his smile back as he approached and held his face. When their lips touched, everything went very calmly. They wanted to enjoy as much time as possible, just feeling each other's mouths. Your lips played with each other, opening and closing, and when you tilted your head a little to the side, Kevin forced his tongue against your mouth, having your hair immediately held.

You kissed more intensely, conveying all the calm you could enjoy in that short time. Their hands played with each other's body until Kevin's ended up at the hem of his shirt.

O-ou. That was a step further.

You rippled your body in response to his silent request, which promptly pulled ypu carefully away, delighted by the sight of your bra-covered breasts. He took off his flannel shirt before he lay back on you, kissing your neck hard.

In return, he received scratches on his back and arm, only getting up when you took off his shirt. It was not a defined breastplate, but it was pleasing to his eyes - given the pattern of doramas.

Things were going a way that if they got a bucket of cold water, they would be pretty annoyed. The drama was forgotten, the door closed, you were almost totally entering your private bubble when the door was opened, revealing a Dean in a calm voice.

“Y / n, would you have a time to talk ... “ When he noticed the two of you together, shirtless and kissing slowly saw that he was left in that boat, being taken by a fury -”You should not be translating the plate, KEVIN ?!”

The boy immediately jumped in fright, getting off you and inadvertently biting your tongue. Embarrassed, you tugged on the flannel shirt that was nearby, covering your body.

“It's my break time, Dean!” Kevin was annoyed by the interruption.

-WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?! - You shouted at the interruption

“What's he doing here, Y / N ?!” Dean was angry, red-faced and breathing fast.

“It's my room, DEAN! And I bring whoever I want here!”

That was like a slap to the older man's face. Dean blinked his eyes desperately, his arm drawing back toward his face, while his expression lines softened into traces of sadness, returning almost instantly to anger.

“Whatever. You both deserve each other.” Coming out with a bang on the door.

You and Kevin were alone again in the room with a flannel shirt away.

“I can’t believe that….” He whispered, staring at the door.

-What? That he is an idiot?

“That he likes you.”

“What?! I think this sign has been messing with your head." You were rehearsing to get out of bed when you felt Kevin's hand on your arm, pulling you back.

“No, really! I always heard that love and hate were intertwined, but I never cared about it. He always hated you without explanation, didn't he?”

“Yes.”

"That must have turned into something else."

“And how do you know that?”

“I…. Well…. I have already watched a drama that had this premise. The guy hated a girl, but over time fell in love, but did not show to her.”

-And what happened in the end?

-They got together, but ... Why this disgusted face?

"You're not going to convince me to drop you and chase after that brute, Kevin!"

-And I didn't even want that, calm down! But now we know the reason for our next disturbances.

-I…. I think you better get it over with plate.

“Me too.” Kevin looked heartbroken. If he had not opened his mouth, he would not have planted the idea in your mind. Even if you weren't going to be with Dean, it had been enough that you didn't want to see him badly because of a romance.

He knew Dean would take his anger out on him, and he didn't want him to suffer for it. You had thought drifting away had been the best solution, but you were badly wrong.

With the end of his distraction, it wasn't long before Kevin began to hallucinate and disappear along with his notes, leaving you with a gigantic sense of guilt.

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marjaystuff · 6 years

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Kristin Hannah Interview by Elise Cooper

The Great Alone

Kristin Hannah

St. Martin’s Press

Feb 6th, 2018

The Great Alone by Kristin Hannah is another winner from the author of the bestseller The Nightingale. There are not enough adjectives in the English language to describe the greatness of this novel. It is an adventure story where readers feel they are put in the middle of the Alaskan frontier; it is a relationship story that also confronts abuse and obsession; and it is a love story between a mother/daughter, father/son, and two young adults as well as the land and those who live on it.

The plot begins with the Allbright family moving to Alaska after a Vietnam buddy willed them a cabin by the Kenai River. The daughter Leni hopes that this new start will lead to a better future for her family since her father can never keep a job. At first, Alaska seems to be the answer to their prayers. In a wild, remote corner of the state, they find a fiercely independent community of strong men and even stronger women. Ernt Allbright is a Vietnam POW who has returned home with PTSD, suffering sleepless nights, flashbacks, nightmares and a volatile behavior. His wife Cora is consumed by caring for their daughter. Leni tries to understand her parents and is someone who must grow up way too fast, becoming her mother’s protector from her abusive father. She falls in love with Matthew Walker who wants to show her happiness, loyalty, and security. His father Tom is someone who perceptively realizes that the Alaskan environment should be modernized and that his son should no longer be isolated and enclosed. He has a feud with Ernt and Mad Earl, who team up in their resentments of government, the military, and the Walker family. Representing an Alaskan homesteader is Large Marge, a no-nonsense woman who tries to help the Allbright women see the light. But the setting of Alaska is also a character, a place of beauty and danger. A word of warning, read it with a tissue box nearby because this story is an emotional roller coaster ride.

Elise Cooper: Why the Alaska setting?

Kristin Hannah: My family has a long history there. In the late 70’s my mom and dad went up and fell in love with Alaska. They met a woman and her daughter who were homesteaders there. Afterward, they decided to join in to build a fishing lodge on the Kenai River. Flash forward three generations and we are still running it. Since I still go every few years I wanted to write about the Alaska I know.

EC: Do you see Alaska as a character in your book?

KH: Absolutely! It is the genesis of the book. I find it a remarkable place and have a love and fear for it. I titled this novel The Great Alone because it is one of three nicknames for the state. Besides this one it is also called ‘The Land of the Midnight Sun’ and ‘The Last Frontier.’ The nickname and my title came about from Alaska being such a wild landscape and the people who live there are rugged, fierce, and individualists. It is what the poet Robert Service called Alaska. The primal essence of the book is survival. The actual day-to-day survival in these incredibly harsh conditions depends on the individual who needs to be tough.

EC: Do you think readers will get a glimpse of what Alaska is really like?

KH: I hope so. All the details in the book still exist today. I put in the book about the forbearing winters, how the light in summers never ends, to survive people need to hunt. The family in the book lives off the land by hunting, fishing, and gardening. It is a remote geographical area from the Continental US. 80% of Alaska still has no roads at all. In the winter rivers become the highways and in the summer, it is difficult to get around. During the winter months, they must live in the dark for months and months at temperatures well below zero. The Last Frontier nickname comes into play because there is the need for a fundamental spirit to be willing to fight nature all the time. I put in the book the statistics that there are 1000 ways to die and 5/1000 go missing, never to be found. Just running out of gas can kill you.

EC: In the novel you reference The Call Of The Wild by Jack London?

KH: Yes, I had my main character, Leni, read it as a great introduction to where she was going to live. Another book, Into The Wild, shows the dangers of Alaska. It is about a college student who tries to live there during the winter in a school bus. Unfortunately, he dies. Both books show how Alaska can be beautiful, seductive, and dangerous.

EC: Can you describe your characters, starting with Large Marge?

KH: She is one of my favorites. As Leni soon realizes, ‘Everyone up here had two stories: the life before and the life now. If you wanted to pray to a weirdo god or live in a school bus or marry a goose, no one in Alaska was going to say crap to you.’ Large Marge is a former prosecutor in Washington, D.C., who now runs the general store for the community. Everyone toed the line with her. She tried to help the Allbright women during the really dark times, but she also understood the battle was Cora’s to fight and that she must save herself.

EC: What about Mad Earl?

KH: He has resentment against the government. But remember, almost everyone in his family did not go along with his attitude. He was probably the worst person Ernt could have met. Just as throughout the US, in Alaska there are pockets of these ‘Survivalists.’ Through him I was able to show the 1970s was a time of political and social unrest including the Vietnam War that brought such division.

EC: You did a good job making Ernt a sympathetic figure in the beginning, but by the middle of the book he was a hateful character?

KH: He is someone who suffered from PTSD and mental illness that went undiagnosed. My personal take is that he was troubled before he went off to war and became trapped by his own demons. He ultimately evolves into the villain. In the remote isolated cabin, he becomes a threat to his daughter and wife. At the end of the story when Leni finds his medals and the newspaper clip showing his ghostly features after returning home, I hope it is a reminder that there was a time he was not despised.

EC: He was a Vietnam veteran?

KH: Yes. As a POW he was tortured for his country. I came of age during the Vietnam War, actually I was the same age as Leni. I wore one of those POW bracelets for years, supporting a Captain, my friend’s dad, who never came home. I touched on it in the book, the shameful way people who served were treated when they came home, being called ‘baby killers.’ Then and now I do not think we offer enough services, care, jobs, and understanding to those who have come home after putting their lives on the line for us. This is not the first book I wrote about PTSD.

EC: What is the other novel?

KH: It is called Home Front and is about a female Black Hawk helicopter pilot who has PTSD and the effects the war had on her. There is a stigma to ask for help. These people are trained to be warriors and then told to ask for help, but these are dynamically opposite. I think it is very important in books, films, and the media to keep talking about the challenges that those serving and their families face after coming home. I wanted to show in both books how someone who comes home emotionally damaged changes the family dynamics.

EC: Cora suffered from abuse and many of these women also have a hard time asking for help?

KH: Sadly, in our society there are a lot of women who stay in abusive situations. I describe Cora as a victim and mother. She would do anything for her daughter except leave her husband. Ernt and Cora have a toxic and tragic love that is all consuming. She describes the relationship as if he has cancer and is sick. He describes it as similar to heroin. Both are aware of the deep flaw in their love. They represent the dark side of love. A love gone wrong that was probably more of an obsession. She was dependent on him and he needed the control. I put in a scene in the book between Cora and another character, Tom Walker, where she saw what her life could be if she had the strength to change it. It was tragic she didn’t.

EC: Does Matthew and Leni’s relationship represent what love should be?

KH: This is the dream, romantic, love at first sight where they are meant to be together. A love that overcomes everything and lasts. They both sacrificed for each other.

EC: There is a feud between Ernt and Tom similar to ‘West Side Story’?

KH: I thought of it as Romeo and Juliet. The teenage love of Matthew and Leni that goes against their parents with increasing risk. Even in the extraordinary world of Alaska they were able to find a way for their love.

EC: How would you describe Leni’s and Cora’s relationship?

KH: Leni reversed roles with her mother and was the one with common sense. She knew she had to sacrifice her own feelings and desires for her mother. She was the strong one who was wise beyond her years. The moment she learned about the abuse everything in the book pivots. This quote describes the book plot going forward, ‘Leni saw suddenly how hope could break you, how it was a shiny lure for the unwary. What happened to you if you hoped too hard for the best and got the worst?’ Unlike Tom who put Matthew first and stood by his son, Cora could not put her daughter first. Leni knew her mother was broken and as tragic as her father. But through Tom Leni saw what a family could be, the family she wanted.

EC: There is a strong love between Leni and Cora. They refer to themselves as ‘two of a kind,’ and ‘two peas in a pond.’ Please explain.

KH: Both loved each other unconditionally. I wrote in this quote by Cora, ‘Love doesn’t fade or die, baby girl.’ And then Leni realizes that the love she felt for her mother was ‘a durable thing, as vast as this landscape, as immutable as the sea. Stronger than time itself.’ This is also true of my personal feelings as this book freed me to write how they loved, protected, and survived together. I lost my mother when I was young and didn’t realize for a number of years that I never wrote mother/daughter adult relationships. Either they were difficult for me to imagine or so painful that my subconscious was protecting me. I am really glad I wrote this and enjoyed writing it.

EC: Another powerful quote, ‘Instinctively, she lifted her camera and minimized her view of the world. It was how she managed her memories, how she processed the world. In pictures. With a camera, she could crop and reframe her life.’ What was your thought process?

KH: I was thinking how Leni came from a broken and dysfunctional family. All of that is a way for her to say ‘I will choose which memories I will keep, and which I will shelve.’

EC: What do you want readers to get out of the book?

KH: For me, the best books part a curtain and reveal a world that people do not know exists. This is what I wanted The Great Alone to do for Alaska and its people. It is a complex look at love and survival that are competing forces in the novel. I think most of my books are about a woman fighting incredible odds and coming into her own successfully.

THANK YOU!!

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specsnsarcasm · 7 years

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My Review of... ‘Passengers’

I finally got around to seeing the movie Passengers (2016) and umm… what the hecking heck was that?!?!

[Warning: SPOILERS AHEAD!]

CASTING PROBLEMS:

First of all, I know it’s supposed to be everybody’s cinematic wet dream, putting Jennifer Lawrence and Chris Pratt together (the way people wanted to see what the offspring of the two so-called “most beautiful people in the world” - Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt - would look like). It was the people’s experiment! Put these two “likeable”, “relatable”, “funny”, good-looking people together, and watch the movie magic unfold! So riddle me this: why put these two in a sci-fi drama of all things, when a simple rom-com would have sufficed!?

Second, I don’t think these two had much chemistry. Sure, they don’t do anything empirically wrong (save a little overacting here and there), but I just didn’t believe them as a couple. I was very aware that I was watching two people acting the way you think two people should when they’re in love. You can practically see the weight of everyone’s expectations on their shoulders. Be sexy! Be charming! Be perfect! I wondered if they had any fun making this movie at all!

I also found something very odd about this pairing. Maybe it’s the age difference (25, at the time, to his 36)? I find that Lawrence tends to play too mature for her real age, playing a lot of late-20′s or 30-something characters. She has lots of time for that, but I guess she’s highly bankable right now and can physically play a wide range? Hollywood is not kind to women. They cast a 25 year old as a 35 year old, and a 35 year old as dust (but that’s another story). Or maybe it’s the imbalance of star power? She is arguably the bigger star. Either way, something was off.

I maintain that Pratt’s best work is as a comedic actor. I know he’s trying to branch out or whatever, but I just don’t buy him as a “leading man”. Not in an all-out, dramatic role. Not yet, anyway. He was good in Guardians of the Galaxy (2014) as the wise-cracking, cocksure rebel. And in Jurassic World (2015) as a more rugged, wise-cracking, cocksure rebel. And in The Magnificent Seven (2016) as an EVEN MORE rugged, wise-cracking, cocksure rebel. He just didn’t quite fit the bill here for me. Although he plays it straight, he kept making me laugh unintentionally (that’s the problem with getting typecast). Especially with three, count em’, one, two, THREE gratuitous butt shots. (We get it!!! BUTTS!). Anyway, dozens of other, half-decent “name” actors could have done a perfectly serviceable job in this role, so by casting Pratt, you’re asking for something that only Pratt can do well. Let him do his thing if that’s why you like him so much!

CHARACTER/STORY PROBLEMS:

Right away, the movie has parallels to the extremely hard-to-top The Martian (2015). But this film has neither the charm, humour, or the gravitas. I found myself comparing Jim to Mark Watney. Both are stranded and alone, both have technical skills. However, unlike Jim, Mark has the mental fortitude NOT to crack almost immediately under pressure. Not that I judge Jim, but the emotional progression in The Martian seems more steady and realistic than in this, which dealt with its characters' emotional journeys very superficially. I didn’t feel that the movie did a good enough job of tapping into Jim’s early despair, psychology, or the agoraphobia of space. At one point when things start to go wrong with the ship, Lawrence’s character says that she was trapped in her room for days. Show me, don’t tell me! That would have been interesting to see! Just as it would have been interesting to see (not just glean) how Jim and Aurora live out the remainder of their years. I thought the movie would eventually get to it. They don’t. Superficiality was a running theme.

Another one of the film’s downfalls is the lack of curiosity about its own premise: the science fiction of it all! I wondered about their training on Earth beforehand, and why Jim doesn’t scan through the other bios to find a doctor, biologist, or another engineer - someone with whom he can work the problem! I want so badly for Jim to “science the shit” out of something, as Watney does. Instead, he opts for the company of the aptly named (if not a little on-the-nose) sleeping beauty, Aurora; a writer, who isn’t very helpful in that regard. For such a futuristic premise, the story is disappointingly regressive. (i.e. a love interest with nothing to offer but being pretty? Okay).

The two of them experience no real sense of existential wonder/dread, curiosity about the ship, about the technology, about space. It's all restaurants and fucking on cafeteria tables! They might as well have been at an Earth resort! At one point, they are literally standing up close to a Red Giant, but they look at it for all of two seconds before they’re like “OK cool. Welp! Let’s go have sex now!” This isn’t so much a science fiction movie as it is a 'bottle' drama, that happens to be set on a space ship. The location is completely secondary, and the beautiful visuals of space and the ship are just convenient backdrops to the “will they or won’t they?” romance. *Sigh*.

One of the most interesting parts of the story, I found, which they don't even discuss, is the nebulous “Homestead Corporation”. It manufactures faulty pods, and even in the future on other planets, it treats passengers by class. I wonder what sort of civilization they hope to create on a new planet by doing this. Is this the reality that people have accepted in the future? Is there any opposition to this? By whom? They mention other colonies: what do they look like? How do they function politically? Do other countries or competing companies possess these technologies too? Is it completely private, non-governmental or governmental? If so, do countries own planets, or is it just corporations? They could make a whole movie out of this! (Copyright: Specsnsarcasm, 2017. haha)! In essence, it’s similar to the Weyland Corporation in Alien (1979) & Prometheus (2012).

MAJOR PROBLEMS

Arthur and its whole vibe. I was instantly creeped out by Arthur the android (played by the delightful Martin Sheen). It operates a bar that is decorated in 70′s decor that is reminiscent of The Shining (1980). The reason for this retro aesthetic is kind of confusing and jarring on such a futuristic vessel (but sure!). But it also primed me to think that, like the bartender in The Shining, there was something amiss about Arthur. It befriends (as much as an android can) Jim first, then Aurora. Early on, Jim entrusts it not to divulge his terrible secret to Aurora. A promise which Arthur makes, yet readily betrays. But why would Arthur tell her? It’s an android, it has no moral imperative to divulge the truth. Nor does it have any reason to show loyalty to Aurora over Jim or betray an expressed request. This tricked me into thinking there was an Alien/Prometheus situation going on with Arthur, in that it was secretly behind some of the mischief that was going on aboard the ship. But OF COURSE that turned out to be a red herring (because that would be TOO interesting). The reason for Arthur’s slip is NEVER explained, nor is it ever addressed. Jim isn’t even mad! He doesn’t even find it strange that he was outed by the machine, and they literally never mention it again. WTF?

Laurence Fishburne is utterly wasted in this film! Practically blink-and-you’ll-miss-him (rude)! He only wakes up so that the two protagonist can have a mind-boggling, deus ex machina way of saving themselves with his security clearance bracelet thingie. And why was his pod the only faulty pod to cause terminal illness? (THAT'S RACIST! Jk. lol). Shouldn’t Jim have also had some health problems, though less severe? (Sometimes I wonder why Larry and Sam Jackson put up with this shit, but ANYway...👀). Also embarrassingly wasted in his role is Andy Garcia there at the end. Poor, poor Andy. Such disrespect! He grew that great big beautiful bushy beard for nothing! lol.

Also, why is there only ONE medical pod on a ship with 5000 ppl and 258 crew? That ratio seems dangerously low and irresponsible to me, even if they were only intended to survive on the ship out of suspension for 4 months before reaching the planet.

CONCLUSION

In the end, I’m not upset because this was a romance posing as sci-fi film. I would have loved to see a good sci-fi OR a good romance movie. Unfortunately, this rather middling on both fronts. It had boundless potential, and I guess I just expected more. With the quality of TV shows these days (as well as the price of a movie), you’re going to have to do a lot more than toss two good looking people on screen with some candy coloured effects to get people interested.

I suspect this film started out as an entirely different movie than the one we ended up with (judging from the big name actors in almost cameo roles). Perhaps it had more of a sci-fi story, but it was changed to feature the love story more heavily?

On the pairing: as much as the internet likes to get its way and see the fruits of its fan pairings come to life on screen, I think this is a cautionary tale about how real life sometimes falls short of our imagination (see: the Veronica Mars movie). It’s also yet another cautionary tale for Hollywood about why they need to re-evaluate their strategy of big budget SFX movies with paltry scripts. The ability to develop interesting, in-depth characters is why cable television and streaming services are eclipsing movies, who routinely struggle to meet box-office expectations.

[Note: These are just my opinions. I’m not a professional critic, I just like to watch movies and write about them!].

#passengers #passengers movie #my review of

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violetfaust · 7 years

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Hooboy, long-ass post coming

Out of respect for @laschatzki I am replying to @rubbady-pubbady‘s reply to my post in this thread with a new thread.

Sorry for the delay; it’s been sitting in my drafts as it got kinda long. There was a lot of ground to cover. I was going to look for gifs but I didn’t have the strength.

A) Rumple isn’t horribly abusive??? Are you kidding?! The guy who trapped his wife on a ship so she couldn’t leave,

He did that to protect her life from a direct and immediate threat. According to your fanbase, ignoring one’s partner’s wishes to protect them is not abusive; that’s an act of wuv: “He loves her so much he’d rather sacrifice their relationship than her life!” Which, by the way, Belle also recognizes, since she tells Hook to go help Emma:

Belle: Go. Go. Emma needs you. We'll be all right. We've got Rumple's spell to protect us.

Hook: Thank you, Belle.

Read more at: http://transcripts.foreverdreaming.org/viewtopic.php?f=143&t=29119

Then Rumbelle had a fight about it, because that’s what couples do when one of them pulls a dick move with bad consequences, even if his intentions are good. Only a dim Stepford doormat would say, “It’s okay, honeybuns. I would ignore your agency and wishes to protect you, too—in fact, I have!”

threatened her saying if she wants what’s best for her baby she’ll have to come back to him and even Belle said that was a threat,

And Belle was wrong about it being a threat and Rumple told her so:

Belle: Threats won't make me love you again, Rumple.

Rumple: No. But necessity will.

Read more at: http://transcripts.foreverdreaming.org/viewtopic.php?f=143&t=29119

(And, shockingly, it turned out that he was right, as we’re seeing this half season.)

planned to use the shears on Belle’s their baby

I know, right? Thank goodness no one cut Gideon away from his fate of being kidnapped, raised in a cage, blackmailed, brainwashed, and tormented for 28 years, having his heart torn out, and being used as his grandfairy’s puppet to murder someone. Whew! Sure dodged a bullet there! I only hope Snowing are that lucky next week when they try to sever Emma from her fate of being the Savior.

and planned to speed up the pregnancy so he could do that and Belle RAN AWAY FROM HIM AND HE BACKED HER INTO AN ELEVATOR WHILE SHE LOOKED TERRIFIED!!!

Yes. He almost went too far. That was the one time in their lives since the chipped cup that he frightened her. (One time does not make an abuser.)

But guess what? Belle talked him down. She used reason and emotion, and he realized how wrong he was.

I’m pretty sure that according to your fanbase, planning something terrible (and even executing the plan, as Rumple didn’t) is forgivable if you stop at the absolute last moment. In fact, it makes you a hero.

where she had to beg him not do it, he put a tracker on her wrist so he always knows where she’s going “So now, no matter where you go, I’ll find you.”

Which, while another dickish move, was to prevent her from her stated purpose of kidnapping their child. And this time, he did it WITHOUT trying to restrict her movements or agency. Parolees who are flight risks wear ankle bracelets; how was this different?

And all of this is ONLY this season. I could say more about previous seasons. I mean I know Rumple fans stay in their little bubble but come on! What do you call this? Oh wait I forgot - Hook breathed in the background so he must be the terrible one!

I call it BOTH Rumple and Belle acting in terrible ways to each other (way that were the literal opposite of all they’d done before, sheerly for STUpidity and, as Kitsowitz admitted, to create a plot where Gideon could be the man under the cloak trying to kill Emma). Their relationship was extremely unhealthy in 6A, but unhealthy doesn’t always equal abusive. (I made a point of not calling CS’s unhealthy codependent relationship “abusive” until S5, either.)

No, let’s see: Hook lied to Emma literally from the moment he met her; left her and her family to die (twice); manipulated her a thousand times (before you yelp: that’s hyperbole, but if you like I can come up with five or six times off the top of my head); stalked her with a telescope spyglass; felt entitled to her (from Eddy’s own mouth) while she was “shunning him” (JMo’s words); said he was happy her heart had been broken; touched or grabbed her at least half a dozen times without her permission and several times against her stated will (again, happy to provide the examples); tried to keep her away from her family because he wanted more of her time; lied to her about blackmailing someone and being blackmailed back (leading to her almost being thrown into another dimension); threw a jealous snit when she had literally her very first conversation after they started dating with a man whom she was not related to (August); told her he liked her walls because he liked breaking them down; said he “loved” her as she looked at him with tears in her eyes; attempted suicide to get her attention; told her he wanted to hurt her and that she’d always be an orphan, and left her crying; restrained her and stole her magic; tried to kill her entire family (again); yelled at her teenage son for not rescuing him hard enough; joked that being vulnerable was not her strong suit (after she had opened up to him about things that deeply hurt and while she was going to therapy); ignored her express wishes about the shears because he knew better than she did; lied about that; proposed to her while keeping the secret that he had killed her grandfather; and preferred to burn away his memories rather than tell her the truth. And literally packed his bags and prepared to leave her without a note or even a text, until he decided at the last second not to.

Off the top of my head.

(Everything that you say Rumple did, Hook did, only worse, plus those little extra goodies like attempting suicide to get her attention.)

B) Belle wasn’t trying to get away from her husband? What was she doing then?

To live her life separately from him. She came into Granny’s, the most public place in SB, and wanted a room; she said she and Rumple weren’t together “at the moment.” She did not hide from Rumple, and even after Rumple was an asshole about magicking her on the ship, she said she wanted Rumple and Gid to heal their relationship, and gave Rumple the sonogram as a peace offering.

C) Emma and Hook manipulated Belle into sending away her baby

No really…what? They did nothing at all! What are you talking about? Belle decided to do that because “Rumple will never stop.” Emma even says “Belle what are you doing?”. It was because of Rumple that Belle believed she had to send away her baby to keep him safe.

Emma: Gold did the right thing today. That doesn't mean he'll do the same tomorrow.

Hook: Emma's right. And we have to make sure that he can't use that magic on you, and we will.

Read more at: http://transcripts.foreverdreaming.org/viewtopic.php?f=143&t=29985

Hook and Emma BOTH KNOW that Rumple would never do anything to hurt Belle. They have BOTH concocted entire schemes based on the fact that Rumple would do anything to save her. So, right here, they are either lying to manipulate her, or honestly being extraordinarily dimwitted and amnesiac. THEY were the ones who put it in her head that Rumple would still use the dust on her; had they not, maybe Belle wouldn’t have panicked and would actually have had time to find out that the Queen was the one who dosed her.

D) Gideon has shown no attempt to hurt or kill Emma since reforging the sword “Gideon has the He’ll go after the Savior once again. I just hope there’s enough time that we can stop him before he does.” Rumple said this to Belle and yet neither did anything to warn Emma that he had the sword back. And he did basically kidnap someone Emma loves in order to blackmail her into helping him so he’s definitely messing with her life.

“Messing with her life” is not killing her. And Belle can’t have had much opportunity to tell Emma anything, since after the first attempt on her life Emma blithely went out canoeing with Henry, and when she came back she was busy snooping through her lover’s stuff, getting engaged to a liar, and showing off her ring (and then moping over thinking her fiancé had left her because for the VERY FIRST TIME in their relationship she called him on lying to her).

EDIT: I wrote this bit before Sunday’s ep and didn’t look it over before posting. As it turns out, Gideon DID have a convoluted plan to kill Emma, one that involved banishing her boyfriend, starting a business and sending out flyers, learning mixology, listening to Emma’s woes and gathering her tears, getting her to trust him, leading her to an abandoned house and opening a portal, summoning a GIANT-ASS spider to engulf her in webs so as to kill her very slowly, and using that to charge the sword to free the Black Fairy. (All of this done because the BlF was controlling him via stolen heart.) But c’mon--how could ANYONE, let alone Belle, come up with something so ridonkulous? To her knowledge, Gideon wasn’t using the sword to come after Emma (and see above about Emma’s unavailability, which doesn’t change).

E) Snow had virtually no interaction with Belle They had a conversation at the hospital about babies and was the only person there for her at her first ultrasound and it’s also where Belle talked about wanting to give a picture to Rumple.

Yes, one brief conversation is, as I said, virtually no interaction. If they hadn’t encountered each other at all, I would have said they had no interaction, sans “virtually.”

in fact, Snow’s last major effect on Belle was selling her out to Hyde

That’s funny because since Rumple ‘gave’ the town to Hyde and then Jekyll almost killed Belle, doesn’t that mean Rumple sold Belle out to Hyde? That’s an interesting thought.

That’s funny, because the reason Rumple “gave” the town to Hyde is that Hyde kidnapped Belle after Snow sold her out.

but instead did nothing to hurt her and allowed her pirate to live when he could have easily killed him

They were Dark Ones - he wouldn’t have been able to hurt them

He had the Dark One-destroying sword Excalibur and at one point had it against Killy’s throat. In fact, if he had wanted to kill Emma, Rumple could have quite likely taken her by surprise when she asked for it back and instead of giving it to her, run her through.

according to Eddy himself, a “crime of opportunity” when Emma had a plan that Rumple warned her was risky and could have ended with all of them banished to hell.

Well, of course it was a crime of opportunity - what else would you call it? He learned Emma was going to sacrifice herself so he took advantage of it.

I brought that up because you said in your original post that Rumple was “paying Emma back” for kidnapping him and threatening Belle by enchanting the sword. He didn’t; they were separate things.

And it’s a plan that would have worked and did work until Rumple took it. And he didn’t say it could have ended with all of them banished to hell. He said the sword chooses its miracles…after he already poured the potion on the sword ...

He explained the “banished to hell” part earlier; that’s how everyone knew what the marks meant:

Emma: What is that?

Mr Gold: That... is the mark of Charon.

Henry: Charon? He was the ferryman in the old myths. He navigated a boat... to the Underworld.

Mr Gold: Smart lad. You see, the Dark Ones only have a... a temporary pass into this world, like a like a tourist visa. The only way for them to stay... is to trade places with living souls.

Read more at: http://transcripts.foreverdreaming.org/viewtopic.php?f=143&t=24162

Rumple knew better than anyone that Excalibur had been ostentatiously NOT choosing Emma for the entire season; what reason did he have to believe her plan would work? (Let alone that Killy would change his mind at the last minute.)

They do, however, regularly demand his help to get them out of their jams, or simply steal his stuff when his back is turned.

When and like what?

Well, a partial list off the top of my head (not counting all the times in FTL flashbacks):

Season 2

David wanting a tracking potion to find Jefferson (I think it was Jeff).

Regina wanted to make her magic work.

Regina wanted someone to stop Cora.

Emma tried to blame him for Archie’s death, then asked for a way to find/prove the killer.

Snowing got him to locate Regina after Gremara kidnapped her.

The Charmings tried to get him to stop Regina’s failsafe.

Season 3 (note that he was inaccessible most of the season—alone on the island, dead, in a cage)

The Charmings wanted him to find out what was wrong with Henry (or something like that; they accosted Rumbelle coming out of the shop).

They went to him to find out how to defeat Zelena when she had him in a cage (and they LEFT him there, with Snow saying that Z had done “nothing that can’t be undone” to him).

(Note: I’m not counting him make the dreamshade cure for David, since I think it was Neal who asked for it.)

Season 4A

Hook and David wanted him to save Emma from the ice mountain.

Hook blackmailed him into locating the Snow Queen (so that Hook and Elsa could get themselves captured).

Hook blackmailed him into getting back his hand.

Something I can’t remember that required Belle to ask nicely for the whole gang.

Emma wanted a spell to remove her powers.

I’m hazy, but I think they got him to make the portal to Arendelle?

Season 4B (n/a since he was never available/in the shop)

Season 5A (note that he was inaccessible by virtue unconscious/held prisoner most of the time)

Emma wanted Excalibur to pull off her plan.

Emma blackmailed him into going to the Underworld.

Season 5B (note that he was inaccessible most of the time)

Emma went to him after Hades had been released to ask for Rumple’s help.

Season 6A

The EQ wanted some doodad/key to the Untold Stories.

David wanted info about his dad.

The whole group wanted help with Jekyll’s potion.

Times they outright stole from him:

Taking the Caddy back from NYC.

Emma and Killy taking the sword from the shop.

Those are, again, off the top of my head. I probably missed a few.

Does this list help jog your memory?

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