#i think five and delores had more of a platonic relationship

[in-a-slanted-outhouse]

Ok so I’ve been thinking about Five and Delores recently and I honestly find the whole concept of Delores absolutely fascinating. I wanted to post this before season three in case I get contradicted and all of this work was for nothing

So today I present to you:

Why I think that Number Five can still be aroace and have loved Delores

An essay on comphet by me, a bisexual who is procrastinating the work he actually has to do and stayed up way too late for this

So I’m going to be talking about Five’s sexuality, a very controversial topic of which I could end up pissing off at least one person whilst discussing. So a little disclaimer: y’all don’t have to listen to a word I say. We can all have different headcanons. I just request that you please read the entirety of this before you reply

Anyways

Five does not have a canon sexuality as of when I’m writing this so it is therefore entirely up to interpretation

Here’s mine

A lot of people who argue Five can’t be aroace often point out that he had a romantic relationship with Delores or feel that saying Five is aroace undermines the relationship that he had with her. I’m here to say that that isn’t necessarily true. In fact, in my opinion, it could make their relationship more faceted and interesting if it wasn’t a romantic relationship

To me at least

Firstly, I don’t think Five ever explicitly states what his relationship to Delores was other than saying they were ‘together for over thirty years’ when Klaus has a brief discussion with him about romantic and sexual relationships. Now, this does heavily imply that they were in some sort of romantic relationship however, it could also be taken as them being partners in a more platonic sense because Five mentioning it seems more prompted by Klaus claiming him to have been alone (and Five feeling semi comfortable enough to take that as an opportunity to open up to him) more than anything else.

Secondly, (and here’s my main argument) their entire relationship will always be based off Five’s perception of how certain relationships work. If Five believes that him and Delores were in a romantic relationship then that can only be based on the way he perceives romantic relationships or more accurately, the way a sheltered thirteen year old perceives romantic relationships. And as Delores is an extension of Five himself, she will always have the same subconscious values and feelings that he has, as well as with him being trapped in The Apocalypse, he couldn’t have been told differently by anyone else.

All of how he sees romantic relationships is going to be based off the limited knowledge of what he saw around him. Majority of this would have been from late-nineties/early-2000s media as well as (and mostly) older literature that he was taught in class or burnt up books, magazines and newspapers in the wreckage of The Apocalypse.

Five didn’t have a very good model of what a healthy, loving, romantic relationship looked like, growing up. And he didn’t really have anyone that he could have fallen in love with other than his siblings (eek.) His two real life references for what a romantic relationship could look like would have been his father and robot mother; and his brother and sister unhealthily projecting their repressed puberty feelings onto each other due to their isolation from the rest of the world

Robot Grace was essentially a maid to Reginald and not a real romantic interest so I highly doubt that he ever saw them as being in a romantic relationship despite them both being his ‘parents’. This is backed up by the way that Diego reacts to finding out that real Grace and Reginald were dating in the 60s

Reginald (although I doubt that he would have wanted the Hargreeves to fall in love and distract from saving the world) seems like the kind of man to have very old-fashioned values that a man and a woman fall in love and then they get married. And all of the Hargreeves would have been influenced by that somewhat by what media he let them consume. As well as this, we have a very heteronormative society and back in 2002 the access to information wasn’t void but it wasn’t excessive either

Five, having a curious mind and always striving to understand everything, probably did have some idea on different relationships and sexualities but he still would have had limited access to those resources. He could very easily be aroace (or any other sexuality for that matter) but during his years at The Academy, had such little eduction on the matter that he couldn’t truly figure himself out. I doubt he would have known about sexualities other than being straight, gay or bi and could have had the thought process of ‘I’m not attracted to men, so I must be straight,’ or ‘I’m not attracted to women so I must be gay,’ or even ‘I’m attracted to both equally (equally not attracted) so I must be bi.’ He could have also had such little interest in romantic relationships that he just didn’t put that amount of thought into it/thought that everyone had the same internal nonchalance about it but that some people were just more externally excited about the prospect than others

His access to this kind of information would have decreased when he landed The Apocalypse, partly because there was no one else there to give him the information and partly because a lot of books containing said information would have been destroyed. That’s not to say they would have all been destroyed because obviously Viktor’s autobiography survived, but a large amount of them would have been destroyed.

Now, Five, as we’ve seen, is often described by the fandom as being a magpie in the way that he mimics the behaviour of those around him as a survival mechanism. Five, obviously knows what love is, and I have no doubt that what he felt for Delores was love, but for someone who, was separated from society at a young age and has a tedious reference for what romantic love looks like, it could be quite difficult for him to distinguish between romantic and platonic/familial love. Delores was very much created by Five as a coping mechanism to slow his impending insanity. It wouldn’t be far fetched for him to have created Delores and as he slowly slipped into believing she was real, he ended up developing a love for her -which could have been platonic/familial love- but based off of his knowledge of ‘when a man and a woman are in love they must be in a romantic relationship’ he analysed his own feelings of love and went ‘hey, this must be what romantic love is!’

And Delores wouldn’t be able to say any different because she wouldn’t know any different because she lives inside Five’s headspace

Essentially what I’m saying is that Five spending his teens (and entire life) in isolation with his only companion being a person who he made up, would realistically hinder his own sexual exploration and due to limited resources, could cause him to misinterpret his own feelings of platonic/familial love for romantic love. Meaning that with Delores he could have ended up subconsciously or maybe even intentionally mimicking the traditional heterosexual romantic relationship with his own interpretation of what he’s been taught is what happens when man and woman love each other, as a way of experience some semblance of the life he was missing/be able to live semi-in-denial of his suffering on occasion. Therefore, Five (and Delores by extension) could still be aroace and have been in a relationship

Five clearly loved Delores (and we know that he does love people in a platonic/familial way because his entire character/motivation is based off his love for family) and he clearly needed her but it’s never specified what their love entailed, and therefore their relationship could have been based off of a child’s misunderstanding of how romantic relationships work. They could have still been life long partners without loving each other romantically. Five could still love her deeply and strongly and in a meaningful way without loving her romantically. They could have still technically been in a romantic relationship if both parties (singular party technically) believed that they were.

Five could still not experience romantic or sexual attraction and still have loved Delores. He does it with his family every single day

And obviously this logic of Five not being able to explore his sexuality and having limited resources for that could also apply to him having any sexuality. I’m not denying that. I’m just using it as a way to show that him and Delores could still have loved each other and had a relationship that was just as important as a romantic one without it actually being romantic

Thank you for coming to my Ted talk

#reminder that yall dont have to agree with me on this #i just wanted to share my opinion and analysis #there arent any s3 spoilers in this btw #tua #the umbrella academy #five #delores #number five #five meta #louie says shit #aroace five #long post

[umaalpas]

I find FiveYa to be so sparse, it's painful

I love Umbrella Academy, and I have watched the show for four times already, to enjoy and nitpick the details, maybe a clue here and there.

However, the problem I find is, the show wanted to make Fiveya really subtle, making the key elements in solidifying Fiveya so sparse to the point where it's really lacking.

Like for example, how come Vanya never mentioned Five to Harold as the sole exception from her siblings? I get that Harold have read the book, but Vanya didn't know that. And since she's talking about how negative her experience was, might as well share the one thing that's good for her about the place to her boyfriend.

Or why Five never questioned the relationship between Harold and Vanya - I wanted to see this especially when the boys head to Harold's cabin.

I get that Five is a pragmatist (a first-rate one, according to the Handler) and throughout the show, all he really cared about is saving billions of lives no matter how. But I wish that him processing information about Vanya had been quite difficult to absorb. Perhaps just a five-second scene of him being snarkier than ever as he found out from Allison that this Jenkins guy is dating Vanya, or that he feels so weird about it.

He doesn't have to be mad, but knowing just really affected him.

I get that Five removing Vanya out of the picture is due to him substituting her with Delores, even then hearing news about Vanya should tick him off without him being aware of it.

The same with Vanya. Her dinner with Allison was the perfect opportunity to share more of how similar they are as sisters. Having crushes with boys you grew up with? Or at least make a nuanced remark of it if they really want to go with subtle. Maybe have Vanya say, "You know, you may not believe this but I get how you feel... what you said a while ago. I get it." Pertaining to Allison getting mad at her and wrongfully assuming that Vanya never had a relationship before.

Also, Vanya didn't even check up on Five if he really did go see a therapist. She should be worried for not seeing him for the past days. I get that her impulse might have been because she longed for the attention Leonard is giving her, however, this shouldn't remove her concern for Five, at least in a platonic sense, or for the sake of her sanity. I mean, she even took a pill when she entered her bedroom after telling Five to rest. She probably felt overwhelmed with the idea of losing Five.

Or, you know, him being her sole confidante in her childhood years, she probably would want to tell Five about this "amazing" guy she's so head over heels with, but then she'd feel uneasy with the thought of telling him. She didn't understand why. And she'd be led to believe that it's probably things have changed, and Five is no longer that Five of her thirteen-year-old self. But it's really something more. Or have her say, "Things are difficult for Five right now. Maybe some other time."

Even how Five found out that Vanya is the cause felt so rushed.

Remove some of my romantic points here, and you'll find that there are still some missing ingredients even when you view their relationship as platonic.

Of course, the writers deliberately have them take separate routes, but they shouldn't have to keep them apart in thoughts. Have them think of each other once in a while.

#Fiveya #five #vanya #tua #tua meta #umbrella academy #just crossing fingers for a better s2

[ask-captain-faris-archived]

GET TO KNOW THE BLOGGER.

"Borrowed" from @lonescion

1. FIRST NAME: 

I go by Insomniak, but for my real nam- (static)

Faris appears for a moment saying "Mun would share, but it's a touch on the embarrassing side." before vanishing.

2. STRANGE FACT ABOUT YOURSELF: 

I have met a dog that thinks she's part cat an cat that acts like he's part dog. The best of both worlds.

 3. TOP THREE PHYSICAL THINGS YOU FIND ATTRACTIVE ON A PERSON: 

A genuine smile.

B their eyes.

C intelligence

4. A FOOD YOU COULD EAT FOREVER AND NOT GET BORED OF: 

"Meatlovers" Pizza. Brooklyn style.

5. A FOOD YOU HATE: 

Leafy vegetables. I prefer greens with a bit more crunch to them, always have.

6. GUILTY PLEASURE: 

I'll often try and give a personality to silent protagonists in a game I'm playing if they don't already have one. Each of my characters in Bloodborne had a different way of behaving even before I knew what weapon or stats they would be based around.

7. WHAT DO YOU SLEEP IN: 

Something comfortable for the weather, more often than not.

8. SERIOUS RELATIONSHIPS OR FLINGS: 

Serious relationships. Once I start something, I often commit fully.

9. IF YOU COULD GO BACK IN THE PAST AND CHANGE ONE THING ABOUT YOUR LIFE, WOULD YOU AND WHAT WOULD IT BE: 

I'd have taken a few chances that were presented to me instead of turning them down.

10. ARE YOU AN AFFECTIONATE PERSON:

 anyone who has known me in person would likely think so.

11. A MOVIE YOU COULD WATCH OVER AND OVER AGAIN: 

The Shadow. The one with Alec Baldwin. That and a couple of Mel Brooks movies.

12. FAVORITE BOOK: 

Call of Cthulhu by HP Lovecraft.

13. YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO KEEP ANY ANIMAL AS A PET, WHAT DO YOU CHOOSE: 

Fictional: either a Phoenix or Chocobo.

Real: Narwhal those things are majestic.

14. TOP FIVE FICTIONAL SHIPS [IF YOU ARE AN RP BLOG, YOU CAN USE YOUR OWN SHIPS AS WELL]: 

5) BartzxFaris (Final Fantasy V, and my otp)

4) SoraxKairi (Kingdom Hearts) I was probably one of many who were very glad to finally see (spoiler redacted).

3) Beast BoyxRaven (Teen Titans).

2) MarkxLyndis (Fire Emblem 7). My first FE ship and @ask-mark-and-friends , oneof my RP partners, does an amazing portrayal of them if I do say so myself.

1) ZeLink (Legend of Zelda series). Romantic or platonic, they always manage to have interesting or potentially interesting dynamics depending on how you look at them, and even with so many incarnations there's often the potential for them develop differently each time.

15. PIE OR CAKE: 

Yes.

16. FAVORITE SCENT: 

Pumpkin pie. One if the many reasons why Autumn is my favorite season.

 17. CELEBRITY CRUSH: 

Chuck Norris Emma Watson was one for me back when I was a kid.

18. IF YOU COULD TRAVEL ANYWHERE, WHERE WOULD YOU GO: 

Fictional: Hyrule. Any version of it.

Real: there is one place in either Florida or California I'd like to visit. You can make a custom lightsaber there.

19. INTROVERT OR EXTROVERT: 

Introvert. But once I get started talking about something... It takes a while for me to stop.

20. DO YOU SCARE EASILY: 

This is going to sound odd, but I consider some non-horror works to have scarier moments than most actual horror flicks. Whether it's because horror movies tend to rely on the characters having really bad ideas or it's a matter of expecting to be scared, I'm not yet certain.

21. IPHONE OR ANDROID: 

Android. swore by it for years.

22. DO YOU PLAY ANY VIDEO GAMES: 

Yes. That is one of the factors that lead to me making this blog.

23. DREAM JOB: 

Play tester, either for Nintendo or Square Enix.

24. WHAT WOULD YOU DO WITH A MILLION DOLLARS: 

Pay off debts, commission a few things, cross another few items off a certain list, donate the rest.

25. FICTIONAL CHARACTER YOU HATE: 

Pretty sure anyone who's read Order of the Phoenix will agree when I say...

Delores. Jane. Umbridge. You know a character is truly a punchable villain when Stephen King is quoted calling her "the greatest make believe villain since Hannibal Lecter".

 26. FANDOM THAT YOU WERE ONCE A PART OF BUT AREN’T ANY LONGER: 

Bleach. Not getting into why I walked out on that one.

Tagging: Anyone who wishes to partake

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