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incarnateirony · 5 years

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*rubs temples*

You know. I’ve not been quiet about my distaste for W*ncest. But I’ve also not been in any way unclear, you enjoy whatever kinks or whatever you want in your own corner. If they’re trigger topics, tag it and bag it but enjoy it where it’s safe, same way you don’t watch r*pe videos in public. Like it’s not hard to have basic human decency.

But this new movement to try to de-fetishize W*ncest to the public is hinging in the realm of absurdity at this point. First people talking about “platonic W*ncest” for the last year (and I don’t think I need to explain to anyone how that literally doesn’t work, because *ncest is literally sexual engagement between closely related family members, and without sexuality, it’s just... being family), now “Gencest Bang” being endorsed by Wiki and, when asked what the fuck that even means by most people, trying to come back with some OH ITS OLD FANDOM GUARD garbage.

No fam. It’s old niche W*ncest lane garbage cycling back.

SuperWiki and GencestBang are really out here arguing GenCest as some widely received ancient fandom thing for "platonic". Less than 2 pages on Ao3 (2 works 05-06, a few 2012, mostly 2015+) 3 works on DA (all by the same account in 2k16) 2 works on FF.net (2016, 2017)

I'll give there's 211 calls on LJ, most of which are around 2k12. Half asking for them and not finding. A few trying to MAKE all S&D fics Gencest to match up to DeanCas fics.

There are 421 calls total, on the entire fucking internet, including duplicates and casual mentions, if you google search “Gencest” and “Supernatural” together with quotes to ensure both words are used (so you’re not pulling, I don’t know, some crackheads in another fandom pulling the same shit. “Gencest” without the word Supernatural returns 2,240 results - and lo and behold, the tag leads to My Little Ponies making out without “Supernatural” attached.)

To scale that, running the same search on “Destiel” and “Supernatural” returns approx 6,460,000 results. [or roughly 15,357x the usage] (without “Supernatural” since I gave Gencest that argument, I just pulled 9,230,000 results. Only Destiel is an SPN-fandom-unique-word, unlike theirs. Again.) I think google just gave up.

(”W*ncest” [minus * obv] and “Supernatural” together returns 579,000 results. I’m not searching W*ncest without, because it’s a term general *ncest folks use which is why the hashtag’s most closely associated words are things like “Tits” and “milfs”) (Again, to scale that to W*ncest or Destiel usage with “Supernatural” included, that’s less than 9% the spoken usage of Destiel)

Basically, some tiny niche now thinking itself as old fandom guard maybe 20 strong at its peak, and I do mean its peak (while choosing to be absurdly generous that all 420~ mentions are “old time” despite the above info), might have used the fucking term and half tried to kidnap true Sam and Dean gen into it for most of its mentions and that's it.

Let's not play games, guys. If you're still incorporating an *ncest element but just doing pull-the-curtain like you're editing it for primetime non-premium TV channels, that's still fucking *ncest, you dumb motherfuckers. The same way if a curtain pulls in a DeanCas fic that is otherwise romantic or possibly suggestive, it's still a queer romance Destiel fic, and also isn't Gen.

THAT ISN'T GEN.

YOU LITERALLY CAN NOT HAVE GEN *NCEST.

THIS ISN'T FUCKING HARD.

STOP trying to act like you’re not normalizing *ncest. If you want to fap out to it, or kink out to it, or read it, or whatever, do it. But playing dance-around-the-words isn’t going to change what it fucking is, holy shit. No, *ncest will never be able to be painted platonically, even if you pull the curtain on coitus, because that’s still not platonic. A bromance without actual romance is gen. A bromance is not sexual, ergo it is not *ncest. Once you’re playing into Single Bed tropes but keeping it “clean” to the reading eye doesn’t make it magically not *ncest, and magically gen, any more than a PG-13 written fic of any other ship that still implies beyond it is Gen.

I mean, if you want to play that game, everyone can just tag anything whatever the hell they want, and Dean and Cas can make oogly eyes and awkward touches and internal thoughts about their feelings and share a single bed and we can pretend that’s not a Destiel romantic fic and play that it’s Gen? NO. We can’t. No ship can. Not W*ncest, not “Gencest” whatever the fuck that is.

Don’t even compare it to BroTP either, because they tried, and that’s not what BroTP is, either. BroTP is a pairing, nonsexualized and non romantic, that make a true pair duo. This isn’t fucking difficult, what the fuck? Maybe you’ve literally just been drinking the *ncest Kool-aid so fucking long you can’t discern that Bro-TP or brothers aren’t the same as *ncest. I don’t fucking know.

Fucking look.

I know these days most W*ncest shipping is grudge shipping to be contrary to Destiel, the same way they’ll grudge “ship” M*gstiel because “canon” while bagging on dumbass points at the same time, from the same account, calling it (blatantly falsely) necrophilia with Cas but it’s fine with Meg, or possession/noncon which... M*gstiel is the one that’s actually a potential squicky problem with. Like we’ve all seen it.

But just because you’re aware it’s 2018 and the civilized world, and GLAAD, have had it up to fucking here with people dragging LGBT content by attaching it to things like *ncest doesn’t mean you can just go and change the i to an e and put a G in front and pretend that’s not what you’re fucking doing. That’s even worse. It’s fucking conscious at this point.

No, I’m sorry, W*ncest will never be as publicly acceptable again as it used to be when the world was more daft about social issues and trigger topics, or when slash was everybody’s dirty little secret that people smuggled across the canadian border for fetishization purposes rather than people who are genuinely interested in LGBT content and representation.

Whether you feel Destiel does or doesn’t give that representation is fucking irrelevant. Stop trying to claw back to relevancy and open discussability with blatant horse shit just because you chose a kink ship that the world has pretty universally come to recognize as problematic. No, listing some random state it’s technically not illegal in doesn’t help. And definitely calling out random countries it’s in doesn’t either -- last time I saw a W*ncest shipper try that, a person from one of the listed countries came out and explained they don’t have a specific *ncest law there because it’s just deadass classified under r*pe so please don’t throw their country under the goddamn bus.

STOP.

You want to enjoy your W*ncest? Fine. But be fucking honest about it, stop trying to problematically attach to LGBT content just because beneath it all, you don’t like it, and you want to find any conversational avenue to destroy it by pretending they’re equal. Maybe in the chambers of Ao3 all things are equal, but we’re talking about public fucking spaces for the most part.

Sure, GenCest is gonna echo mostly on Ao3, but this is a bullshit tactic that continues to try to claw its way into open fandom lane discussions, or whatever else.

You chose that ship. Own it. If you can’t own it for what it is, maybe it’s not the rest of us you should be having the problem with.

#supernatural #fandom #wank for ts #how can you be this intentionally stupid #tag your shit #own your shit #if you're not embarassed of your shit call your shit like your shit is #superwiki #gencest

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xerantic · 6 years

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Here’s the thing.

// Generally when drama occurs, I tend to only see the backlash. Like, usually for whatever reason, I’m not following the person who causes whatever ‘issue’? So I’m not able to judge for myself who is right or wrong, or even entirely what happened. And I kind of don’t even want to know, because I’m afraid the issue won’t really be that bad, and the community is just going on another morality crusade, twisting intentions and thinking with their fault-finding brains instead of using rationality and tolerance? Like, community-wide drama really upsets me and makes me feel unsafe and unable to trust. I see everybody just vaguely discoursing ‘problematic’ issues, arguing amongst themselves, claiming to be blocking people, forcing people to think they have to grovel to the rest of the community, and generally just spreading the hysteria with reaction posts.

I’m trying to paint a picture here, of why this is fucking toxic. Because last night, I literally had to drop everything I was doing and put myself to bed before I did anything worse to myself. I hesitate to ever use the word “trigger” because of the misunderstanding between the two definitions--one being specifically PTSD symptoms (with which I am not diagnosed) and the other more broadly meaning “something that produces an extreme involuntary psychological/emotional response”. But experiencing drama/discourse is definitely the latter definition for me. Like, feeling so upset/agitated/isolated that I want to hurt myself or die is pretty extreme.

I have this crippling fear of social isolation (sometimes to the point of paranoia), particularly in the forms of rejection, abandonment, and people suddenly turning everybody against me, framing every disagreement in opinion as a moral issue and condemning me for what I think and how I am (except portrayed in a twisted and negatively biased view) (basically all of toxic tumblr culture). And maybe it is something PTSD-like, because this has actually happened to me a significant number of times, being gaslit the hell out of by unstable or just plain cruel people, feeling so surrounded by hostility that I have the urge to resort to some self-destructive escape. It makes it really hard to trust anybody not to screw me over or prey on my vulnerabilities, and I feel I have to walk on eggshells all the time just to be accepted. So I hope you can imagine what it’s like seeing my dash covered in this kind of bullshit.

True enough, my mental health issues are foremost my own responsibility. But I hope this will help some people understand why contributing to drama and discourse can be so harmful to some of us in the community? I don’t want to have to choose between cutting off my passion for RP/fandom and trying really hard to go back to sleep when I can’t sleep any more because I don’t want to get up to face being alive. I just want to portray my muse in a way that satisfies me, express my perceptions and theories on characters/events, and hopefully bond with others over such.

Consider putting your stance on broadcasting discourse in your blog rules, so people can be aware and refrain from following if they see necessary? (I try to examine others’ rules closely for judgmental language, because I feel it says a lot about a person’s character and potential behavior.) At the very least, I staunchly request that you tag your goddamn discourse, drama, and negativity. Like, even little things? Social justice? “Should’s” and “shouldn’t’s”? Like, I get that you find whatever issue you’re talking about important, but tag it. It can be triggering. Help people be able to participate while still keeping themselves safe and sane.

And maybe consider unfollowing somebody instead of going on a witch hunt or broadcasting your condemnation to the world? I sure as heck unfollowed a boatload of people today and last night, because holy hell I cannot stand morally judgmental language/behavior or people that empower that kind of interaction. But just think about it--how nice would the community be if people were mostly chill and let others do their own thing regardless of their own opinion on it? It’s happened before in other fandoms, and I can tell you it’s pretty lovely, actually. Let’s try it for this one, perhaps.

#cw: suicide mention #cw: self harm #cw: discourse #cw: drama #cw: anxiety #cw: depression #cw: negative #Gonna try to be done with this now that I've gotten it off my chest #But IDK if I can be around much today #I feel bad bc I need to be more active #But at the same time I just feel too isolated and depressed to write for threads that aren't super angst #Sorry if I have contributed needlessly to anybody's stress #Feel free to talk to me RESPECTFULLY about this #But know that it's a fragile issue for me #And I may have to end the conversation at any point to any degree for my own mental health #OOC #personal #info #Would this help to be under a Read More or no?

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