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carinyms · 3 years

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We're three days from the Loki finale and I’m back to spout more meta and theories about episodes 5 & 6! It’s a long one (again.)

I really enjoyed episode five. People have complained that they felt it didn't do much to move the show forward, but one of the things I've loved most about this show is the time it takes to sit with the characters and learn about their backstory, their feelings. (I'm always a little bugged when critics say that an episode hasn't done enough to move the plot forward, because without adequate character development, why should I care about the plot?) I thought the pacing of it was really well balanced.

….and I have never been so nervous for a finale in my entire life. There’s a lot of reasons.

The first is just the fact that I’ve been waiting for this show for a whole year, and the anticipation and excitement of it literally helped get me through the pandemic--so when those final end credits roll I’m going to be a whole mess no matter what happens. (I really hope the rumors floating around about season two are accurate) I also just feel like it’s somewhat inevitable that this is our final farewell to Tom’s Loki, and like—I’ll never be ready, but especially right now, amidst all the rampant controversy around this show, I’m just not ready to deal with that. I have a *small* modicum of hope that this won't be the case, but it feels unlikely. Anyway, guess I’ll die.

I really want this show to stick the landing, so to say. I loved the last episode, but a lot of the response has been that it felt like a lull in the plot. I want this show to end in a satisfying bang so it can get the credit it deserves.

Also I’m a whole hypocrite eating my words from last week—I’m fully on-board with Loki/Sylvie now (not that I was ever really against it)--I’m not sure why I’m surprised. They’re so adorable and wholesome, and I’m in love with seeing Loki in love. It’s so precious. (Just as a PSA, if you’re not into them that’s chill, and you’re allowed to dislike a ship without trying to justify your opinion by labeling shippers as morally problematic. Selfcest isn’t a real thing, therefore there isn’t a moral high ground to stand on here. Okay? Okay.) Wherever it ultimately leads, their relationship is still a really sweet exploration of them both growing and learning how to love themselves and trust others. Also, them cuddling under a tablecloth is the cutest shit I’ve ever seen with my two eyes.

MY THEORIES:

I love Sylvie so much, SO MUCH — and she is 100% going to stab Loki in the back by the end of the next episode. I don’t think the betrayal is going to stick, and by the end they’ll both be on the same page again, but the conversations on trust have been way too one-sided for my comfort. If nothing else she's going to seriously consider it. Here’s one way I can see that going. Spoiler alert: it hurts.

Sylvie betrays Loki at one point—and we see Loki’s growth and arc come full circle as, even after being betrayed by the person he hinged his entire development around, he still believes in doing the right thing, in saving her regardless. It ends in a heart-wrenching self-sacrifice of some kind, and his actions serve as the catalyst for her full development as well. We keep seeing different versions of Loki die for their ‘glorious purpose’, just like how Classic Loki shouts the phrase as he was consumed by Aloith (RIP King, I love you).

Loki has already called Sylvie his glorious purpose (or inferred it). There’s been backlash around him saying that, but the way I see it, it’s less “I’m obsessed with this girl she’s my purpose now” and more “I believe that she’s the best version of us and I’m going to make it my purpose to help her succeed and be what the rest of us aren’t”. That’s why seeing all the other variant Loki’s at their worst in the Loki clubhouse (? what do I call this lol) only fuels him more to find her. I think about what Mobius told him: “You exist to cause pain and suffering and death, all so others can achieve the best versions of themselves”. I don’t think Loki truly believes he can be the best version of Loki — I think he saw Sylvie and thought, "it's her". He’s decided he’s going to help her achieve the best version of herself, but he'll do it giving her love and trust and devotion, rather than through betrayal, pain and suffering. He’s re-writing his pre-determined role, in his own small way. I’m so proud of him.

So who’s behind it all and what’s truly going on here? (This isn’t really one theory, more like a string of possibilities and I don’t really know how they’d fit together.)

I still think it’s another version of Loki. And if it is, I can’t help but appreciate the connections between his position dictating the end of time in the show in relation to Loki’s role in the Norse myths, where he’s the catalyst for the destruction of all things. It feels relevant, considering the whole idea that ‘the end of time hasn’t been written yet’ has come up twice now. That would be a fascinating tie-in to the mythology. (Also—Alioth looks like a giant dog. And Fenrir’s role in Ragnarok was devouring the world—I realize this is a reach but am I the only person seeing this connection?) The thing I really can’t predict is the motivation. What would cause a Loki to want to prevent Loki’s from changing? Was there something that happened in the sacred timeline this Loki is trying to preserve? (I also like the idea of us maybe seeing another version of Sylvie behind it all, but I’m just going to leave that rabbit hole alone. )

But here’s the theory I can’t stop thinking about. There’s a theory floating around tik tok (by user twelvepercentcredit) saying the ‘castle’ we see beyond Alioth looks like a place called the House of Ideas, something that appeared in a (discontinued?) Loki comic. Here’s the wiki page on it. Just looking at the imagery of this compared to the location we’re seeing in the trailers, it’s too similar to be a coincidence. The huge bookshelves, the towering ceilings.

Here’s a description from the wiki:

“The House of Ideas is also home to a library which archives the exploits of every hero who has ever existed in the form of books, written unconsciously by the collective minds of their believers. This collection is curated by Now and Then, two of the children of Eternity. Now and Then routinely seek out heroes to bring into the House of Ideas to bargain with them and give their collections more pages, therefore more time for adventures and exploits. “

And later on the page on how Loki ties in:

“Heeding the desire in Loki's heart to do more with his life, Now and Then approached Loki and brought him to the House of Ideas,[5] where they struck up with him the deal to give more pages to his collection of exploits, rewriting the Books of Loki with a hero's stories in exchange for an eventual hero's death.”

Are they gonna play with the exact happenings of this? I don't know, but it sounds pretty cool!

It would be gutsy to go this route with the show given how meta it is, but I love the idea of it. Would they put characters that embody the abstract ideas of “Eternity” “Now & Then” into the show in the last episode? I’m not sure. Something I could see as a possibility though is an alternate version of Loki having overthrown whoever was previously guarding the timeline, and Loki and Sylvie will have to take them down in turn, thus ‘releasing’ the multiverse to its default, chaotic state.

What if our Loki’s ultimate destiny, ultimate Glorious Purpose, is to release the timelines--restoring all the variants back to their original timelines--and remain in this place for eternity, guarding the timeline and ensuring the multiverse is allowed to exist in its natural state? It seems a pretty fitting role for the God of Chaos. It would also explain why whoever’s behind the TVA would be so desperate to eliminate all variant Loki, if that was his ultimate destiny.

It would be an effective way to remove Hiddleston’s Loki from the movie-verse without killing him, AND place both Sylvie and any other Loki variants back in the the main timeline for use in future films—which we know has to happen somehow, because Young Avengers is definitely happening, and Kid Loki has got to get out of the void somehow.

And yea, this outcome would hurt like a bitch. Because even though that would truly be a lovely glorious purpose for our Loki, he’d be alone. And the whole point of this show is that he doesn’t have to be alone! It would be a very poetic sacrifice for him to take on the burden of watching over the timelines alone for all eternity so that his other variants could be the best versions of themselves, but I really just want him to be happy. I will be crying my eyes out if this happens. I’ll be proud but I won’t be okay.

And this all is probably speculative nonsense and could go off in an entirely different direction. Who knows. All in all, I just really want to see Loki fully believe in himself and his ability, to truly absorb what he said about being stronger than he realizes, and to take control of his destiny.

WHAT I WANT (NEED) FROM EPISODE 6:

Let Hunter B-15 and Mobius team up to burn the place to the ground. She was nerfed in the time-keeper fight, I want to see B-15 kick some ass.

I kind of want Ravonna to escape and be a character that carries over into the films for her tie-ins with Kang? I want to see more of her.

Give Loki a new badass costume. I’m begging. If he’s gonna go down, he deserves to go down in something other than khakis.

And then I want to see him and Sylvie fighting side by side in matching outfits.

I want a Mobius-level hug between them. Or a kiss. Or both. But I want the hug more. And you know what? I want her to initiate the hug or kiss or whatever it is because I want Loki to experience receiving love and affection from others as much as giving it. He deserves it ok??

I expect Mobius on a jet ski in the post credits and if I don’t get it I riot

@marvel these are my demands.

As always, if you've made it this far I'd love to hear your thoughts!

#these just keep getting longer and longer #next week you can expect a full novel #loki #loki show #loki series #loki meta #loki show meta #loki series meta #loki theories #loki show theories #loki show positive #loki spoilers #loki series spoilers

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enby-jetstar · 4 years

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doesn’t have to all be destruction - Chapter 1 author commentary

Most of this will be under a readmore to make it easier to read. Read at your own risk, as this does include SPOILERS for later chapters! Please enjoy!!

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-I feel like my prologue chapters are a little dry to read? Too much background information, not enough description. The writing style is very different from later chapters.

-don’t ask me how party and kobra knew what route to take to get out of the city because i have no idea lmao

-i also never had a definite timeline for when party and kobra left the city? I think it was probably a week or two after they figured out they had powers.

-the gathering of rebels party came across the night they escaped the city was in fact a celebration of something big (probably a commitment ceremony or a birth or something similar); when they came back with their brother a couple of days later and found everything abandoned, it’s because the rebels had headed back home.

-because i didn’t have all the details figured out when i started writing, some of the details in the first couple chapters don’t really match up with stuff that comes later? The rebel who smuggled ghoul out of the city would have been a city rebel, not a desert rebel who’d snuck in.

-this fic doesn’t follow the canon timeline at all. BL/ind’s been in charge for about 75 years at the time the events of destruction take place, which is also about how long superpowers have been a thing.

-god ghoul’s backstory…..! I’m so sorry for doing this to you ghoul baby you didn’t deserve it

-i really wish i’d made ghoul trans in this fic :/ let’s just pretend he is and he knew from a young age and so his parents changed his name to dante before he left the city okay? okay.

-i love writing party and kobra’s relationship….. My favorite siblings

-i just found a fucking typo in CHAPTER 1?? It’s been there for almost NINE MONTHS and no one thought to tell me that i called jet “Jet” at a point i should have been calling him “Gabriel.” i’m going to edit that as soon as i’ve posted this.

-jet’s dad’s death has come up a few times in comments and i have to say that i honestly didn’t mean to make it seem as suspicious as i did!! Jet’s dad died of totally natural causes, just not of something 14-year-old jet noticed.

-ALSO THIS IS LITERALLY NOT CANON!!! This is another problem with not having all the details worked out: in chapter 1, jet’s powers activate and he accidentally kills his teacher’s wife. I later decided that jet’s powers had a limited range and that the ways he could influence things were also limited; he literally could not have killed this woman in the way described. I might come back and actually edit this out at some point, because it seriously just does not fit with later chapters.

-ALSO NOT CANON: kobra has no way of sensing anyone’s mind when they’re asleep. He couldn’t have sensed ghoul inside the shack.

-ghoul rambling to kobra inside his head is the cutest thing…..

-although ghoul relies heavily on kobra to control and direct his power, ghoul could learn how to control it himself if he worked at it. He was too scared to do so before he met kobra, though, and now he doesn’t really see the point/still doesn’t wanna risk it.

-the word that ghoul almost said in response to kobra blowing up a cactus was just “how?”

-this fic was originally gonna be titled “The Infamous Killjoys,” which was gonna be the name of their supervillain team, but my zucchini suggested naming it “doesn’t have to all be destruction” because they liked that line (kobra says it in response to ghoul’s doubts about his powers), and i agreed. I’m really glad i went with that, because that theme sort of carried on throughout most of the fic, with jet wanting to control his powers and all that happened later.

-making the superheroes the bad guys and the supervillains the good guys was really fun for me! Obviously there’s a few stories/movies and stuff out there that do that, so it’s not an original idea or anything, but it was a fun little role-reversal or whatever you wanna call it.

-jet’s my favorite character and that’s why i gave him the shortest straw of the bunch. Sorry jet star darling.

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This concludes my thoughts on Chapter 1! If you want anything expanded on or want me to address something else from the chapter, feel free to send me an ask. I’ll do Chapter 2 tomorrow, probably!

#destruction commentary #mine #destruction #maybe i'll do one of these every day or two?#it was fun #even though i'm kinda mad at my past self lmao

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