#jungian typology

[rosquinn]

typology is so funny because you can literally excuse everything with it. your honor it's true that my client committed attempted genocide but have you considered he's a if(s) 4w3 sx/so 486 efvl therefore a potential hater

#shoutout to my friend jay being a messy eater and excusing it with “4F moment” #what if Oscar Wilde said your honor you can't send me to jail for being gay I'm a 4 naranjo said all 4s are gay #typology #enneagram #psychosophy #jungian typology #mine

[windudemon]

i further simplified perceiving functions

se tests (and loves testing) sensory qualities of objects (including people) in real time and in a really slapdash way. for example how tough you are? how much pressure you can take? this is why se doms tend to be handsy practical jokers. they literally physically test you/things to learn about them. (here i used the word exact for se before which now i think completely wrong.)

si does what se does too but gradually, paying much, MUUUUCH more mind to details, minimizing the chance of failure.

ne is just like se except about potentialities of objects. idea pops up in ne dom's mind and he just squirts that out in a slapdash way. another idea pops up and without comparing pros and cons of that idea, ne doms claims how that's the best idea. both se and ne experimental like that.

ni is therefore gradual, detail oriented ne that pays a lot of mind to consequences. why? because whatever intuited by ni dom AT LEAST makes 4 circles inside the head instead of blurted out right away.

this is why ni and si doms tend to be bad talkers. they are not used to talking without thinking / refining / deliberating a lot what they should say. so when they HAVE to talk right then and right there, they say wierd incomplete disconnected things.

#16 types #socionics #mbti #personality types #jungian typology #infj #intj #introverted intuition #introverted sensing #extraverted intuition #extraverted sensing #entp #enfp #estp #esfp #isfj #istj

[sp6ghetti]

ok so i was the one who asked abt the how can u be infj but also nifi, so you're typing yourself using the original jungian method when you say that and not the myers briggs. what i'm getting is that according to jung, it's not necessary for the second function to be extraverted or introverted, so an niti is intj, as well as nite? or tini and tine? I wanna know if i got it correct!

Yes, pretty much, I’m not a huge fan of Myers-Briggs’ theory, so I tend to use Jungian in general while still referring to myself as an INFJ because honestly it's just more convenient. She got a bunch of the theory wrong, such as the judgement/perceiving or rational/irrational dichotomy, but I'll get back to that later. Loops, or the idea that NiFi would be INTJ isn't something Myers-Briggs ever mentioned either, this is an idea that was created on tumblr itself as far as I'm aware, same as grips. Jung didn't really value the introversion or extroversion of the secondary function, as a person's cognition is either gonna have a preference for introversion or extroversion regardless. To Jung's theory, the dichotomy between secondary feeling/thinking and sensation/intuition depending on the dominant function is much more important than that between its extroversion or introversion.  So getting back to the weird thing with the irrational/rational dichotomy in mbti. Myers-Briggs decided this based on the first extroverted function, which is weird, because that makes types with an irrational (perceiving) function, such as Ni, rational and vice versa. If you've ever looked into socionics, this might sound familiar to you, as the socionics types, written in mbti format, don't use the Myers-Briggs switcheroo, and stay true to Jung's theory in that sense. So if you want to get technical, TiNe and TiNi are INTJ, but considering more people study mbti than Jungian or socionics, it's often far more convenient to just stick with INTP for TiNx and INTJ for NiTx.

#typology #mbti #jungian typology #socionics #16 personalities #infj #intp #intj

[phlve]

IN(F) — Introverted Intuition supported by Feeling

Continues to work instead of seeking treatment for failing health. Sometimes has phobias. Likes to go out, to dance, knows how to tell a stor. Experiences hypochondriac neuroses, claustrophobia. Before an important event experiences strong emotions, may lose appetite. he Is blind to his own hunger. He ponders what is the point of something, the meaning, symbolical nature. "What will this do for me?", he worries about what he can do to affect others, what are people thinking about, how society, the collective, perceives him, how his friends feel about him. He often smiles, has a cheerful nature, but it is usually fake, not so sincere. Neurotic, obsessive pedantic and egoist yet soft, friendly and welcoming. Expressive, he likes to maintain a comfortable emotional ambient, he focuses on making human relationships and Keeping everyone united. A hopeless romantic, prone to stalking crushes and compulsive overthinking They fall in love, they aren't loving, they are within limerence. "Teen love" - this is a good name for it. He idealizes everything, he doesn't has clear opinions, his beliefs are dictated by the collective: he either believes or gets skeptical about love, because he usually understands love only in a specific sense - the standard sense. When he thinks about emotions, he thinks about pop. mainstream. generalized emotions. Humanity for a long time idealized and represented love as romantic or erotic; so this type suffers from this: he easily believes in doing anything in the name of love, he would do anything for his loved ones, if he ever falls in love with someone, of course. Avoids showing his true feelings, he could be crying in one moment, and then in the other, he enters in a group, a collective, and he adapts to it, he stops crying and starts smiling, "acting". Very inclined to escapism, hallucinations, delusions and religion, ideology, existentialism and politics. He often relies on external sources, academics, he doesn't know how to explain things, so he needs to talk about his sources, he shows what people think, out of fear of being wrong. Anxious about being humiliated, he has a weak selt-esteem. The romantic dreamer likes to lay on a sofa with a book, or go to the countryside to spend time amidst nature. Many manifestations are inclined to cosplay, they like to live alternatives - finds ways to avoid boredom, uses old things and people in a new way and bringing the positive future into the present and past, staying light and hopeful in spite of anxieties. Struggles with videogames and orders: he is verv trial-and-error. He mav be cold. withdrawn. asocial. timid and extremely introverted; a gloomy figure with low confidence.

He hides his insecurities. runs into situations of trust and marriage. Intense connections. Fantasizes about people, delusional imagination of being accepted, praised. They find difficulty to express what they want, often times they do not realize what they wish in life; they ask people "how do you create interest?" because they lack actual desires and passions. Individualistic in some manner. Creates music, laments his own existence, prone to atheism, agnosticism. Diligent but unfocused, non-disciplined, often loses concentration, but he is always doing something - it could even be living in his dreams. He compares himself with other people, tends to be jealous, envious, yandere. Inclination towards mysticism and superstition, beliefs in prophetic dreams and omens. He is a person who is emotionally labile and uninhibited, does not control his own emotions, some manifestations of the type make fun of people and are sarcastic. Some versions, instead of comforting people with the warmth of his soul, begins to manipulate other people and act capricious and touchy. "Everything is wrong" and "things didn't turn out to be as desired". Many times expresses a desire to be hugged, to be protected and helped, he is weak and thinks of himself as someone "not prepared", he worries and worries. Some people of this type spend their time alone, don't have many friends (may not even have friends. He likes to dive himself in meditation. It is important to understand everything. Therefore, if you ask him about the difficult things sometimes, you can hear the answer that he understands them (only a very peculiar). It is important that everyone knew him as well. If understanding is impossible, that human self-esteem drops, so it does not like to admit that something is not understood. It is important to praise the consistency, likes to boast that he was up to something thought of himself. Often he loves to refer to some everyday stories, because nobody will not even think to check their authenticity, in general likes to refer to someone as a way to protect their reasoning. He is a person prone more to reflection than action. "If I understand correctly, then I am a good person". The fear of turning out to be incompetent greatly narrows down the areas in which the person dares to demonstrate or apply their knowledge. This type wants to solve his problems by collecting objective data. It is necessary to consult the experts, to obtain the data and results of studies, to receive objectively reliable new information. "Any unpleasant sensation or experience it's best to endure and wait over, than to seek how to improve one's state or move to another place that offers better conditions."

#personality theory #personality types #typology #cognitive functions #jung #jungian typology #in #ni #in(f) #infj

[internetdweller3]

I think a very bad issue within the typology community is how people shape themselves to adhere to their typology.

I recall a friend of mine who identified as an TiNe it(n) sp5 and they ensured the way they acted and responded to things were how a “typical e5 should respond”. It’s just kinda sad to see because people within the typology “community” will go against their natural human nature and response to comfort themselves that they’re the typology placements they are, if that makes ANY sense.

It should really be vice versa; you adjust your typology placements accordingly when you find that something doesn’t quite align with your behaviour, not you adjust your behaviour when you fine that it doesn’t align with your typology. But even then, one TiNe and another TiNe person are the same. It’s just really silly.

#typology #mbti personality types #mbti #personality #enneagram #jungian psychology #jungian typology #jungian archetypes #mbti personalities

[iy0v]

#meme vault #introverted intuition #ni #mbti #jungian typology #collective unconscious

[fartgirl4000]

i keep on questioning if i’m actually an ENTP and not INTP

#cognitive functions #jungian typology #intp #entp #no offence but i don’t wanna believe i might actually be an entp #it’s just i’ve known myself as TiNe for almost ten years now😭

[randomfoggytiger]

Personality Typing: Bringing Up Baby

Happy early Birthday, @baronessblixen!

I wanted to whip you up a post that had a few of your interests all blended in one; and-- wouldn't you know?-- it has an INTP main lead, too!

Now, let's attempt to type these characters as they run amok with two leopards, a yappy dog, butterfly nets, leashes, and not one braincell shared amongst them.

MAIN CHARACTERS 

David Huxley- INTP 

“Now it isn’t that I don’t like you, Susan; because, after all, in moments of quiet I’m strangely drawn towards you. But… well, there haven’t been any quiet moments.” 

David Huxley is an INTP, which places him neatly as a Background Type and trips him right into the Intellectuals (xNTx) group. Background Communication Types are Informative (discuss a topic while providing all the possible information without taking a decisive stand on anything, allowing the other person to decide their own role in the mutual conversation), Responding (prefer to wait for the other person to initiate a conversation, then stay in the passive role while allowing the conversation to be guided by someone else), and Outcome (value the goal of the journey, carefully planning their steps to a specific endpoint and deliberately taking a measured pace to obtain the right result the first time.) 

David’s 8 cognitive functions dictate how his brain intakes information, processes it, and makes decisions. 

INTPs leads with Ti Hero, which is all about distilled logic, “if this then that”, facts, verification, criticism, and deductive filters: if it doesn’t make sense, it isn’t true (hence his near infuriated frustration with Susan Vance’s illogical nature and decisions.) 

Ne Parent balances the Hero function: it is constantly aware of others’ intentions and the end results of other people’s choices; and that instinct is always right (which is why David is always spot on with assessing how much trouble Susan will get into… and how much she gets him into.) Not only does Ne Parent allow them to become masters of “I told you so”, but it also makes them spot patterns of human behavior easily… and become easily bored with human nature's predictability (which is why he ends up falling for Susan, who he can’t predict and who keeps the thrills coming; because INTPs have a bit of the thrill seeker in them, and this one in particular found he really likes them.) 

Si Child is capable of incredible, unwavering steadfastness, conviction, endurance, discipline, and faith; and to “abuse” the child would be to imply an INTP is, somehow, disloyal-- which sends them into apathy mode, not caring if the accuser sticks around or leaves (hence why David isn’t too fussed about his fiancee leaving after she implied he was a philanderer.) 

Fe Inferior (the last of the four dominant functions) is easily guilted as it fears making other people feel badly; which, in turn, allows them to be easily maneuvered, exploited, and rug matted all in the name of being a good person (hence why David won’t walk away from Susan, despite all her messes-- because he is compelled to help her out of them.) If INTPs are accused of being uncaring, they shift into protective (and havoc-wrecking) Demon mode: their apathy kicks in, and that person becomes effectively dead to them (again, what happens with his fiancée, but also his “who cares what others think of me anymore” attitude by the end of the film.) 

Te Nemesis is in constant battle with the Hero function (serving as its “villain” to war with and become stronger for it): Te is all about outsourcing information or opinions to others around them; and it challenges (and thereby worries) the Ti’s logic to see if it’s “out of date.” If an INTP is wise, this will force them to outsource their current information, ridding themselves of stagnant or outdated facts (which is what David learns to do with Susan: constantly check in with her to see what new story or lie she has concocted so he isn’t caught off-guard.) 

Ni Critic is the cynical parent figure to the Parent function: it takes note of Ne Parent’s observations-- that no one is responsible with what they want-- and chooses not to want anything, which locks the INTP into a paralysis or inaction. This is why INTPs become so solitary or stuck in unproductive (and unhealthy) ruts, professionally and personally (as David does with his first relationship: wanting to marry a partner who railroaded him without apology), and are drawn to (and can fall back into) the familiarity of those cycles-- healthy or toxic-- for comfort’s sake (being drawn to Susan who overrides his concerns like Alice did… but at least Susan reflects and changes whereas Alice never did.) 

Se Trickster, the bane of an INTP’s existence: they have no physical awareness, whether that be how they come off to others, their comfort over aesthetics fashion sense, or the various potholes, ditches, sidewalks, cars, or other places they fall into or flat on. However, they are masters at remembering how to spot and avoid various Se Trickster traps when trained (ex. David never getting caught in the same kerfuffle twice, even though he gets roped into an entirely new faux pas via Susan’s next misadventure.) 

And lastly, Fi Demon pops up when INTPs have been hurt either by their Si Child (calling them disloyal or flaky… or a “butterfly”) or their Fe Inferior (that they aren't caring enough despite the shirt being guilted off their backs): full-on depraved debauchery-- anything that will self-soothe or make INTPs feel good is indulged and indulged and indulged, effectively causing willful self-destruction (David snapping in Susan’s white robe at her aunt and snarkily commenting in the jail cell are moments where his Fi Demon is starting to come out. They end rather quickly because new developments happen so fast that they shake the situation up-- and by proxy his annoyance or aggravation.)

Susan Vance- ESFP  

"Oh, David, if only I could make you understand-- you see, all that happened happened because I was trying to keep you near me and I just did anything that came into my head."

Susan Vance is an ESFP, flinging her in the Starter category and jamming her into the Artisans (xSxP) group. Starter Communication Types are Informative (communicates all possible information while discussing a topic without taking a decisive stand in the conversation), Initiating (seeking out others in social situations, starting conversations, and keeping others in the information loop), and Progression nee Movement (moving toward any result without a fixed destination, plan, or outcome because they fear inaction and stagnation more than optimizing for the best outcome.)    

Susan’s 8 cognitive functions help her intake, analyze, and process information so she can output them with decisions. 

Se Hero took me by surprise: normally, Se is completely in-tune with the physical world around them (its performance, finesse, observation, and physicality of a person’s body as well as the tangible realm around it.) However, Susan is such a klutz that I thought there was no way she as an ESFP-- but facts don’t lie, and the other assets of Se (short term memory, seeing what others are doing and wanting to participate or involve others in its activities) fit her to a T (not to mention, one of her last lines-- admitting her shenanigans aren't well thought-out because she wanted to keep David around-- clarifies why she is so out of tune with her Se Hero: desperation.)

Fi Parent is there to keep ESFPs responsible with their morality to behave socially or ethically. The problem is that this translates-- to an immature ESFP-- that they must have others think they are good people to feel good about themselves even if they truthfully aren't (which is why Susan collapses in tears when it finally dawns on her that David doesn’t really like her… which prompts his Fe Inferior to comfort her) rather than reflecting or putting any work into themselves to become a good person (although she changes this about herself by the end of the film.) 

Te Child is smart, very very smart, with an incredible field of knowledge (which explains how Susan knows so many odds and ends tricks, i.e. lockpicking, olive throwing, purse snatching, etc.); but is easily wounded by others’ assumptions that an ESFP isn’t smart or believable (which is why she is hurt by some of David's assumptions and also why she creates an elaborate alternate identity that the cops and psychologists would believe while in jail.) 

Ni Inferior is unconquerable in achieving anything they put their mind to… to a point, as ESFPs often hold themselves back from their plans because they fear it won’t work (i.e. Susan losing confidence in her madcap strategies the more the film dragged on, which led to her more active Ni Inferior in the climax and end of the film-- understanding how much trouble she gets David into and wishing to atone for her ways.) 

Si Nemesis worries that it lacks discipline, duty, and honor, which forces ESFPs to evaluate themselves constantly and fear that tomorrow might not be as good as today. To overcome this failure to decide anything, they must exercise maturity by fulfilling the obligations and commitments they’ve made that they can’t seem to, or are afraid to, finish (which is why Susan dragged David with her everywhere: because without him, she wouldn’t have done any of those things-- just floated around and worried.) 

Fe Critic is super selfish and hypocritical, wanting the best for themselves while thinking the other person hasn’t earned it; and ESFPs have to learn not to assume the worst in others because it reflects their own poor character back on themselves (i.e. Susan not meeting Alice but immediately wanting what she has-- David-- for herself; and then learning she doesn’t really "deserve" David, regardless.) 

Ti Trickster believes that there are no absolutes, that anything can be true or false, and overall can’t figure out how to logic a situation. If they learn to take the time to carefully evaluate and assess thoroughly before making a decision (taking in everything before acting first), ESFPs will then become master strategists, angling her solution different ways until everyone wants to take a bite (her first conversation with the constable, her conversations with Aunt Elizabeth and Major Applegate, and her big charade with the police in jail.) 

Ne Demon is activated when they are given no freedom of choice, causing them to strip everyone else of that freedom, too (ex. Aunt Elizabeth holds a million dollars over her head, so Susan holds that million and a leopard and a bone and the dog over David’s; and later, Susan also holds a faux fess-up in-exchange for her freedom over the police's heads.)

MINOR CHARACTERS

Alice Swallow- ESTJ 

"Stop it! Really, David, there's a time and place for everything."

Alice Swallow (David Huxley’s overbearing fiancée) is an ESTJ, setting her into the Structure category and slotting her in the Guardians (xSxJ) group. Structure Communication Types are Direct (communicate in clear, specific, and concise language so that there is no doubt behind their intent), Initiating (take an active role in conversation or social situations, seeking others out to keep them informed or “in the loop” ), and Outcome (value the carefully planned, focused, and deliberate steps to achieve the right end goal the first time.)  

Her 8 cognitive functions dictate how Alice’s brain intakes, processes, and outputs information to analyze and make decisions.  

Te Hero: metrics, achievements, reputation, societal standards, labels, beliefs, and rules (which is why Alice immediately squashes David’s physical affection while both are in front of a superior, stating “There’s a time and place for everything. What will Professor think?”) 

Si Parent gives ESTJs a drive to experience everything once, but tempers it with vast amounts of self-discipline and duty (i.e. Alice getting married but insisting she and David come right back to the museum, curtailing both their present and future for “his work”) and responsible, tested-and-tried loyalty (which is why she immediately breaks off her engagement after learning about David’s “disloyalty.”) 

Ne Child dabbles in metaphysics, seeing all possibilities and somehow making anything come true by pulling a few strings (hooking David up with an interview to get a donation of a million dollars, for instance.) 

Fi Inferior is afraid they lack the principles to be moral enough; but if they seek meaning and prove their worth, there is no one who can invest more into values or people (declaring "Oh, David, what did you do?!" can be a sign of Fi Inferior; because if David messes everything up, then Alice has cosigned her reputation to his foolery.)

Ti Nemesis is the reverse of David Huxley’s process: Te Hero’s aggregated knowledge is constantly picked at by the nagging voice of “that doesn’t make sense”, causing them to verify the accuracy of their collected beliefs (which is what Alice does not do at the end of the film.) 

Se Critic creates elitist hypocriticism in ESTJs: appearance, to them, represents intelligence; and they heavily criticize others that are a bit off or have a hair out of place (reproving her fiancé for his slang) while not noticing their own inappropriate apparel or behavior (talking down to David next to both their superior.) 

Ni Trickster tricks ESTJs into thinking they know what they want when they don’t-- never let them make big decisions alone, let alone mutual ones (hence why her plans for their future are so unattainable and wouldn’t have lasted long for either Alice or David.)  

And lastly, Fe Demon ruptures if ESTJs are accused of being unfeeling or uncaring: they are very loving and caring but express it differently. If they aren’t given their dues, they strip away their care and vindictively take away that other person’s ability to receive care from others, usually by offering them love on a platter… which turns out to be poisoned (ex. Alice getting fed up with her fiancé’s actions and “lovingly” or "calmly" or "peacefully" giving him sole blame in the end.) 

Alexander Peabody- ESTP 

"Dr. Huxley, when I play golf I only talk golf. And then only between shots."

Alexander Peabody is an ESTP, putting him in the Structure category and placing him in the Artisans (xSxP) group. Structure Communication Types are Direct (communicate in clear, specific, and concise language so that there is no doubt behind their intent), Initiating (take an active role in conversation or social situations, seeking others out to keep them informed or “in the loop” ), and Outcome (value the carefully planned, focused, and deliberate steps to achieve the right end goal the first time.) 

His 8 cognitive functions dictate how Alexander’s brain perceives and outputs information. 

Se Hero is an observer and master of the physical environment as well as the people in it, as effortlessly good at directing others (David Huxley, the constable, and psychiatrist) as well as his golf balls.

Ti Parent is skeptical over what others state is true or false, requiring tangible proof before they make final judgements or decisions (which is why he came to the jail before stating definitively his client wasn’t there.) 

Fe Child is very loving and giving, willing to hand out prizes and favors to anyone close by (or a million dollars and a dinner to talk it over to David); however, ESTPs are deeply wounded if someone takes the unfiltered truth (and sometimes harsh truth) of their Ti Parent and uses it to label them as uncaring, unfeeling, or even malevolent.  

Ni Inferior makes ESTPs (and ESFPs like Susan Vance) afraid of making the wrong decision, tying them up in indecision (hence why he wants a second conversation with David Huxley to absolutely know for sure before making a final decision.) 

Si Nemesis fears that they are not dutiful enough to carry out the demands of whatever the future holds, again contributing to their indecisive nature (i.e. previous example.) 

Te Critic assumes everyone else is stupid, including massive societal structures, sources, or even religions; and ESTPs must individually test every single thing they’re told, lighting the falsehoods on fire and clutching the tried-and-true to themselves forever (again, dropping into the jail personally with promise of swift punishment if proven correct.) 

Fi Trickster believes anything can be good or bad, leading them to have (basically) no moral principles and to do what they believe is good or bad for them (ex. being hurt that “David” impolitely throws a rock at his head instead of being affrighted that “David” is scrounging around in his yard late at night.) 

And Ne Demon (like Susan Vance the ESFP) will destroy everyone else’s freedom of choice if they aren’t given it (hinging the donation of a million dollars on his terms-- golfing and dinner-- and seriously thinking of revoking it when David Huxley skips out both times.)

Dr. Lehman- ISTJ

"I have no doubt you will find you made a very important haul."

Dr. Lehman is an ISTJ, stamping him in the Finisher category and check marking his status in the Guardians (xSxJ) group. Finisher Communication Types are Direct (communicating clearly in concise language leaving no doubt as to their intent), Responding (letting the other person initiate and guide a conversation, or waiting for others to keep them “in the loop”), and Progression nee Movement (always progressing forward without a specific goal in mind-- movement is better than stagnation, the journey is more enjoyable than the endpoint.) 

The 8 cognitive functions of Dr. Lehman’s Type help him perceive, process, and output information. 

Si Hero is defined by duty: loyalty, endurance, faith, effort, steadfastness, habit, and sharing; and an immature ISTJ is more willing to boast about what it can endure rather than be humble in what it has endured. ISTJs crave loyalty; and will discipline themselves to give the best “experiences” (how they come across to others) to earn that loyalty, striving to be "above reproach."  

Te Parent is all about names and titles-- metrics, rules, labels, reputation-- desiring those accolades for itself (and thinking it’s earned a VIP status with all the hard work ISTJs put in to polish themselves.) It also seeks a proper routine, system, or algorithm to quickly find, evaluate, and streamline beliefs or reference points. They rely heavily on this framework, using it to figure out why people behave irrationally (hence why he immediately diagnoses David Huxley one nothing more than a simple, one-sided question from Susan Vance.) 

Fi Child has miraculous sympathy, but is often ignored by other people because of an ISTJ’s “soulless” pursuit of trying to understand life with their metrics and tried-and-true rules (i.e. when he distances himself from his and the constable’s mistakes after Mr. Peabody insinuates what terrible people those mistakes would make them-- and it also affected his Si Hero's "above board" reputation.)

Ne Inferior is afraid of the “what ifs” and metaphysics and intangibles of life; but once they use common sense to walk themselves through every possibility, ISTJs no longer fear or catastrophize their future (ex. Dr. Lehman almost losing his cool over the purse mix-up.) 

Se Nemesis feeds into their Si Hero: ISTJs worry they are giving others a bad Se experience, which would smack them right in the face of their Si; so, they work overtime to check and check and check this blind spot constantly (for instance, whenever Dr. Lehman corrects his posture or monocle or carefully seats his wife at the table.) 

Ti Critic assumes ISTJs are the smartest people in the room; and believes the other person is guilty because they perceived that person as guilty (assuming and affirming Susan Vance is insane because he misinterprets her actions, for example.) ISTJs must be made to verify these beliefs, comparing their initial impressions with actual facts. 

Fe Trickster gives ISTJs zero social awareness-- hence why they come off as robotic or disconnected to some people-- and blinds them to the fact that others do not share the same values or goals that they do. Those others can then read an ISTJ's disinterest in the subjectives of societal or social norms as terrible or heartless behavior, which kicks an ISTJ’s Fi Child in the ribs and sets off their demon function. 

Ni Demon becomes a high-chair tyrant if an ISTJ’s needs aren’t met: catapulted by the fear of others’ intent (Ne Inferior) and further goaded by someone accusing their Fi Child, ISTJs will launch into a self-indulgent focus on only themselves and their needs, seeing that their detractors have abused their Si Hero’s willingness to honor the Te Parent rules (and is why Dr. Lehman leaves the constable to bear the brunt of the mistake alone: Lehman thinks he did everything right and the constable did everything wrong-- especially after observing said constable's lack of interrogation techniques; and doesn't think he deserves any blame for the series of misadventures that unfolded.)

Mrs. Lehman- ISTP?

"Frederick, where is my purse?"

Mrs. Lehman is just a guess, but I'll put her down as an ISTP, sliding into the Finisher category and settling into the Artisans (xSxP) group. Finisher Communication Types are Direct (clear, concise, precise communication leaving no room for misinterpretation), Responding (preferring that the other person to initiate and guide a conversation), and Progression nee Movement (forward movement and a wonky end product is better than some of the stagnation that comes with measured planning for the perfect end goal.) 

Mrs. Lehman’s 8 cognitive functions help her intake and output information and make quick, actionable decisions (and is a near perfect match to her husband’s ISTJ Type.) 

Ti Hero is identical to David Huxley’s Ti Hero; but their differences become very pronounced with her Se Parent, which is a very physical, actionable, “fix things with my own bare hands” function (i.e. grabbing at her purse from David’s hands before bossing her husband to fix the problem… the implication being “before I do.”) 

Se Parent is also responsible with its physical and mechanical prowess, using it to get others out of destructive comfort zones and to team up with their Ti Hero to become excellent hands-on teachers.

Ni Child is the equivalent of literal, definable “lady luck”-- somehow surviving impossible scenarios with very little injuries or long term consequences (in Mrs. Lehman’s case, getting her purse and diamond broach back intact because it wasn't even stolen.) 

ISTPs share Fe Inferior and Te Nemesis with INTPs (David Huxley)-- fear of making others feel bad and worrying if others are factually correct respectively-- but differ with Si Critic: they have a hard time committing to anything or anyone, yet expect others to commit to them. Once ISTPs develop self-discipline, they then also have to admit that they have the memory of a goldfish while erroneously thinking that they, an elephant, never forget. 

Ne Trickster thinks that something isn’t real until they can touch it or see it, which leaves them weak to others’ intentions and open to covert or subtle attacks; and when the bus hits, they scramble to figure out what happened. 

And lastly, Fi Demon self-soothes via the INTP method: depraved debauchery all the way down.

Aunt Elizabeth- ENTJ

"Heh. Susan, imagine giving a dinner party with your husband stalking like Hamlet's ghost all through the meal."

Aunt Elizabeth Random is an ENTJ, zipping her into the Structure category and firmly squeezing her into the Intellectuals (xNTx) group. Structure Communication Types are Direct (communicate in clear, specific, and concise language so that there is no doubt behind their intent), Initiating (take an active role in conversation or social situations, seeking others out to keep them informed or “in the loop”), and Outcome (value the carefully planned, focused, and deliberate steps to achieve the right end goal the first time.)

Aunt Elizabeth uses 8 cognitive functions to make decisions, perceive the world around her, and process new and startling information. 

Te Hero is focused on the beliefs-- what the collective believes to be true having greater weight than what the meager dissenters prove to be true-- as well as the rules, the metrics, the systems, and the titles of the world around them. They work hard to earn and wear their accolades with pride (ex. Aunt Elizabeth expecting others to respect her requests or demands because of her family name), rising up any successful ladder with diligence, speed, and focus.

Ni Parent wants everything responsibly, letting themselves give in to very little of their temptations-- and only then because of their Se Child. 

Se Child is the epitome of a kid at a birthday party, spoiling themselves and others with quality excess and delighting in both receiving and giving (or, in Aunt Elizabeth’s case, having her nephew ship a leopard so she can keep it as her extravagant pet.) 

ENTJs share Fi Inferior and Ti Nemesis with ESTJs (Alice Swallow)-- afraid they aren’t moral enough and worried they aren’t intelligent enough respectively-- but their Ne Critic separates the path again: ENTJs feel abandonment more than any other Type, and constantly assume others will betray them constantly. This leads them to loyalty check those closest to them constantly (ex. Aunt Elizabeth calling her own niece crazy and second-guessing if she should give her a million dollars.) 

Se Trickster forgets EVERYTHING; and they need constant reminders or notes to refresh their recollection. As a result, their brain latches onto only the most important information… which are their worst memories because of the self-preservation paranoia of the Ne Critic (and causes Aunt Elizabeth to remember most clearly the things that annoy her presently or hurt her in the past.) 

Lastly, Fe Demon ruins everyone else’s opportunities to feel loved or connected if an ENTJ’s Se Child is accused of being unloving or uncaring (which Aunt Elizabeth never had an opportunity to exercise.) 

Major Applegate - ENFJ

"Gentle as a kitten? Well, I don't know you why didn't mention that before--"

Major Applegate is an ENFJ, hopping him into the Structure category and pinning him soundly in the Idealists (xNFx) group. Structure Communication Types are Direct (naturally communicated clearly, concisely, and precisely so that nothing is misconstrued from their intent), Initiating (chooses an active role in social situations, seeking others out to keep them “in the loop”), and Outcome (deliberately plan their steps to reach a perfect end point or achievement.)

Major Applegate uses his 8 cognitive functions to perceive, inform, judge, and process the world and information around him. 

Fe Hero is tied directly to inclusivity, acceptance, collective ethics, support, and bonds, striving to outreach and care for those around them (ex. Major Applegate trying to help Susan with the correct time, teaching Aunt Elizabeth a leopard’s call, trying to help David and Susan catch the wrong leopard, and correcting Aunt Elizabeth’s error about her niece not being in jail.) 

ENFJs share their Ni Parent and Se Child with ENTJs-- responsible with their wants and extravagant with their sharing-- but their Ti Inferior is their own: ENFJs are afraid they are unintelligent or incorrect, often being portrayed as the stereotypical dumb blonde. In reality, they are quite smart but largely held back by the implication or accusation of being stupid (i.e. Major Applegate stumbling over his words in the police station when the constable and his men start to look at him funny.) 

Fi Nemesis is worried about their own moral self worth, overcoming their doubts by doing good and helping other humans (for instance, “saving” Aunt Elizabeth from the leopard and teaming up with Gogarty to hunt it down.) 

ENFJs also share Ne Critic (assuming others will betray them) and Si Trickster (forgetting everything but the worst moments) with ENTJs; but separate once more with the Demon function. 

Te Demon destroys the voice of others when no one will listen to them, especially if their Inferior has been trampled consistently and labelled as "worthless." They then squash and trample and make themselves be heard; and if they still aren’t, ENFJs rip the structure out from underneath everyone and let them fall to their destruction (Major Applegate never got that far, but the equivalent would be to not correct Aunt Elizabeth’s assumption and let everyone stay in jail and out of his hair.)

Aloysius Gogarty- INFP

Aloysius Gogarty is an INFP, setting him into the Background category and startling him into the Idealists (xNFx) group.  Background Communication Types are Informative (discuss a topic while providing all the possible information without taking a decisive stand on anything, allowing the other person to decide their own role in the mutual conversation), Responding (wait for the other person to initiate a conversation, then stay in the passive role while allowing the conversation to be guided by someone else), and Outcome (value the goal more than the journey, carefully planning their specific endpoint and taking deliberate steps to obtain the right result the first time.) 

Aloysius uses 8 cognitive functions to perceive, make, and output impressions into decisions. 

Fi Hero is concerned about one’s own personal morals: their principles, their investment, their worth, and their mood. INFPs mature from their initial pride about what they value (ex. Gogarty complaining about the double standards of the house’s raucous meal and his own expected behavior) to tempered humility about said moral values. 

INFPs share Ne Parent (ability to “predict” the outcome and consequences of everyone’s decisions) and Si Child (deeply wounded if they are accused of being disloyal) with INTPs (David Huxley); but differ with their Inferior function. 

Te Inferior is a collector of others’ knowledge and opinions, becoming unrivaled in its scope of information (if it chooses.) However, INFPs are afraid of what others think of them-- their reputation is everything to them; and they need others to think well of them even if those things might not be true (ex. Gogarty lying about petting the leopard to Major Applegate and immediately starting a fight with the police when he is accused of stealing Dr. Lehman’s car.) 

Fe Nemesis worries that it is selfish (because Fi Hero puts its needs above others’); and it moves mature INFPs to empathetically care for and serve others to fight that concern, either personally with their loved ones or publicly with volunteer work (for instance, Gogarty teaming up with Major Applegate’s natural inclination to protect everyone from the leopard.) 

Again, INFPs share Ni Critic (avoiding risk with inaction) and Se Trickster (unaware of their surroundings and others' impressions of them) with INTPs; but they, again, separate at the Demon function. 

Ti Demon rips its way out of their peaceable chest if no one thinks highly of them (Te Inferior) or listens to their input (Ne Parent), or if anyone casts aspersions on their loyalty (Si Child): INFPs will make sure no one else’s opinion matters, either, by building a trap for their tormentors with the truth. They then stand aside casually as their enemies fall into it one by one (Mr. Gogarty was never pushed this far; but there is an inkling of Ti Demon: cheerfully acknowledging his connection to Susan Vance after the police locked him up, expecting them to get in big, big trouble at the mention of her name.)

Constable Slocum- ISFP

"Young lady, it might interest you to know that you're under arrest."

Constable Slocum is an ISFP, fumbling him into the Background category and dumping him in the Artisans (xSxP) group. Background Communication Types are Informative (provides all the possible information about a topic without taking a decisive stand on it), Responding (prefers the more passive role in conversation or social situations), and Outcome (walks a measured pace so they can carefully plan the perfect plan for their perfect end point.) 

Constable Slocum uses his 8 cognitive functions to perceive and process the world around him. 

ISFPs share Fi Hero with INFPs (Aloysius Gogarty), concerned more with their own personal “good or bad” morals over “true or false” ethics. 

ISFPs also share Se Parent (responsible mastery of the physical environment) and Ni Child (“lady luck” and feeling trapped if they are not given the freedom to make their own choices) with ISTPs (Mrs. Lehman.) 

Again, they share Te Inferior (afraid for their reputation) and Fe Nemesis (worry that they are selfish) with INFPs. 

And, again, they share Si Critic (expect commitment while being unwilling to commit) and Ne Trickster (unaware of others’ machinations) with ISTPs. 

Even though ISFPs share their 8th function with INFPs, they have a different, more personalized “mode.” Ti Demon will let their enemies’ fall by the truth if they aren’t listened to, but while INFPs make the ultimate trap to passively snare their enemies, ISFPs will make the ultimate weapon to hands-on obliterate them (which is why Constable Slocum keeps threatening even more disastrous, personalized punishments the more his prisoners annoy him.)

Thank you for reading~

And, again, Happy (soon to be) Birthday, Anika! :DDD

Disclaimers: This is a self-assessed analysis. This information is not based on the abominable MBTI system (which has been butchered from its original Jungian typology since ~WWII); instead, it’s a combination between the works of Jung’s type psychology, Dr. Linda Berens’ Communication styles, Dr. Dario Nardi’s EEG complied research with brain scans, and others’ data and practices as compiled and simplified by CSJoseph. This system is based only on the Nature side of Nature/Nurture; and each “type” is not a “box” to fit everyone into– simply a tool to help understand the basics of the human mind that science has only begun to fathom in its limited scope.

**Note**: I am definitely not an expert, so these assessments are subject to change with corrections or scrutiny.

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[rambling-persona]

It always is fascinating to hear what others' perspectives are on various typing systems. I have tendency to get stuck or just have a very black and black "it's this or wrong" mentally, so I love it when I get hit over the head with hammer basically, be it directly/intentionally or not.

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[rosquinn]

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[windudemon]

social stuff as cogfxs

confrontation: bold ethics. if "too" confrontational, fe or fi child.

misinterpretation: bold weak therefore paranoid fi.

agreement: cautious strong fe.

insecurity: weak and cautious fe or fi.

grace: cautious and strong fe, cautious se.

gravitas: fi dom with se.

encouragement: high fe. creative fe will encourage you very well but won't push you. fe dom will encourage you with a lesser quality but they will push you to do that shit.

humorous, jovial etc.: bold ne.

resentment: fi child. (not always but best fits)

dismissive: weak fi.

wooing: bold fe.

playful courting: child fe.

subtle magnetism: ni dom, fe creative.

teasing: child fe.

chivalry: bold fe + bold se (very beta quadra)

courtesy: cautious and strong fe, bold and strong fi.

witty charm: ne dom, fe child.

brazen: se dom, fe child.

irritable: fi child.

cooperation: cautious valued fe.

sympathy: high fe. sympathy is a general acknowledgement of other's situation and respecting it. empathy generated after a much deeper connection. tbh i'm not really sure if etymologically and stuff this checks out but that's how i use these terms.

nonchalance: creative fe with si.

resilience, tenacity (emotional): fi dom with se.

aversion: fi child.

whimsical: ne dom, fi creative, fe demonstrative.

poise: fi dom with se.

Confirmation Bias: judging doms with se so isxps and enxjs.

apathy, indifference etc: fe or fi polr. (in the case of fe polr, apathy is towards the group. otherwise it is towards the individual and their "subjective" feelings)

composed: 4d fi.

ambiguity: ne dom, fi creative.

authoritative: te dom but also enfj.

guardedness: bold fi with cautious ne (acute as opposed to initial)

grace: cautious fe, cautious se. in that order.

rebellion: se demon in a destructive way. se dom in a more useful way and se child between the two.

bravado: fe dom.

swagger: fe child with se.

accountability: fi dom (also ti dom. yes. but that's when it comes to logic and i'm not doing the logic now)

compassion: strong fe+fi.

approval: fe creative is the best fit but all high ethics users can do this obviously.

elegance: fe creative.

aloofness: fi inferior.

secretive: fi child.

sassy: fe dom or demonstrative.

persuasion: fe dom. again, if bluntly, insultingly, fe child.

modesty: cautious ethics.

trustworthiness: fi dom hands down.

sarcasm: fi or fe child.

intimidation: fe child. (intimidation can be mental or physical)

support: fe or fi creative.

affection: high fi with si.

pouting: fi child.

tactfulness: fe creative.

tongue-in-cheek: bold fe, bold ne. including demonstrative.

tolerance: fe creative.

critique: fe or fi child.

isolation: fe inferior.

alienation: weak fe/fi including the tertiary slot.

reprimand: fe dom.

prudence: fe creative, especially with si dom but si demonstrative and fi dom also works.

tentative: fe inferior.

thick skinned: te dom.

gossip: fe dom.

teasing: bold fe. refined and lowkey teasing is more fe dom. fe child will generally overdo it so you won't be able to tell if they are insulting you or teasing you or what.

playful: bold fe with si.

grit (emotional): fi dom with se.

deception: strong fe, including the demonstrative.

defensiveness: fe or fi polr.

pun: ti dom with ne.

empathy: in my understanding empathy is fi+ne. to empathize with somebody you need to be able to look from their perspective which is an ne alternative way to judge things. also fi because you need deeper understanding of specific things the person went through as opposed to judging things generally.

compromise: fe creative.

flirting: bold fe.

composed attitude: 4d fi + strong se.

lighthearted sway: ne dom, fe demonstrative.

reassurance: fe dom.

forgiveness: fi creative

intimacy: fi dom wants it the most but fi creative able to actually make it happen.

gaffe: fe and fi inferiors (a gaffe is a social mistake and so unintentional).

negotiation: fe creative.

flattery: fe dom.

sincerity: fi dom.

bonding: fi dom.

coercion: bold se and fe. in that order.

praise: this is a more genuine and sincere version of approval thus it can come both from fe creative and fi dom.

hinting: fe creative.

crudeness, gaucheness etc: te doms. (pragmatism has no time to sugarcoat it)

enthusiasm: bold and strongest fe so either fe dom or fe demonstrative.

vulnerability: fi dom.

callousness: te dom.

recklessness: fe child.

innuendo: strong fe + strong ni.

jealousy: bold fe but especially fe child.

prejudice: fi with se but especially fi child with se.

advice: fe dom.

jestful taunting: fe child.

tenderness: fi dom with ne.

sarcasm: fe or fi child.

irony: fe creative. (this is softer version of sarcasm and not directly or at least impactfully mocking) example: "oh yeah, america didn't attacked iraq for oil."

kinky (socially): fi creative (+ fe demonstrative!)

banter: bold fe.

forbearing: si dom fe creative.

delicately whimsical: fi dom, ne creative.

impartial: fe inferior.

dogmatic: fi dom and ni child or vice versa. (se also "helps".)

stoicity: weak OR unvalued fe + weak AND unvalued ne.

suave: soft authority. so te dom and si creative and se demonstrative? yeah. george clooney archetype. quite similar to "king energy" therefore. so there's probably good usage of fe role there too.

flirtatious finesse: fe dom.

mischiveous: fe child.

gallantry: bold se + bold fe.

casual allure: si dom, fe creative.

embarrasment: fe inferior (istps will act tough and won't let you know though)

double entendre: fe demonstrative… especially with ne.

sincere apology: fi dom, fe creative.

cultural awareness: fi dom, fe creative (basically high eq)

camaraderie: fe dom, especially esfj because se makes things more direct therefore hierarchical.

spontaneous charm: fe child.

delicate allure: fi dom, ne creative.

radiant allure: fe dom, ni creative, se child.

nuanced flattery: ni dom, fe creative.

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[sp6ghetti]

Hi, I was just wondering, my sister is an ISTP and an e9, does this contradict? I'd like to hear your opinion on this and other alternatives if they do contradict. ty!

Unfortunately I do think it does.. ISTP and specifically sp9 are kind of seen as a grey area though, and I wouldn't bat an eye if I saw someone type as it. But in general e9 - aside from possibly so9, which isn't compatible with ISTP regardless - is irrational. When using mbti on its own, this isn't a big deal, however when you start getting into systems such as Jungian and socionics it gets more complicated. I've mentioned Myers-Briggs’ confusion when it came to perceiving/judgement before, and it really comes back here as well.  In general I would say that it really depends on how you go about typology. This is not a criminal contradiction, and if you're not planning on going much deeper than mbti and enneagram, I wouldn't worry about it too much. If you are, however, I'd recommend looking into sp5 especially, or alternatively sx6 or ISTJ. 

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[phlve]

The Introverted Intuitive Type // Inferior Extraverted Sensation

The introverted intuitive type has the same capacity as the extraverted intuitive for smelling out the future, having the right guess or the right hunch about the not-yet-seen future possibilities of a situation. But his intuition is turned within, and therefore he is primarily the type of the religious prophet, of the seer. On a primitive level, he is the shaman who knows what the gods and the ghosts and the ancestral spirits are planning and who conveys their messages to the tribe. In psychological language we should say that he knows about the slow processes which go on in the collective unconscious, the archetypal changes, and he communicates them to society. The prophets of the Old Testament, for instance, were people who, while the children of Israel were happily asleep - as the masses always are - from time to time told them what Yahweh's real intentions were, what he was doing now, and what he wanted his people' to do. The people generally did not enjoy hearing these messages.

Many introverted intuitives are to be/found among artists and poets. They generally are artists who produce very archetypal and fantastic material, such as you find in Nietzsche's Thus Spake Zarathustra or in Gustav Meyrinck's The Golem and Kubin's The Other Side. This kind of visionary art is generally only understood by later generations, as a representation of what was going on in the collective unconscious at that time.

The inferior sensation of this type also has difficulties in noticing the needs of the body and controlling its appetites. Swedenborg had a vision in which his reports have to be treated with the greatest care. Though he does not lie consciously, he can tell the most appalling untruths, simply because he does not notice what is right under his nose. I very often distrust ghost reports, for instance, and reports about para-psychological facts for those reasons.

Introverted intuitives are very much interested in such fields, but because of their weakness in observing facts and their lack of concentration on the external situation, they can tell you the most appalling nonsense and swear it is true. They pass by an absolutely amazing number of outer facts and just do not take them in. I remember, for instance, driving with an introverted intuitive type one autumn, and in the fields the potatoes were being dug up and there were bonfires. I had noticed that for quite some time and was enjoying the sight. Suddenly the driver stopped the car in horror, sniffed, and said: " Something is burning! Is it coming from outside? " We looked at the brakes, and everything was all right; then we decided it was outside after all, it was the bonfires! The bonfires were everywhere, and to me it was obvious that the smell of burning came from them! But an introverted intuitive can drive for an hour through the country with such phenomena all about and not notice a thing! And then suddenly he will be struck by the fact and make completely incorrect deductions. His inferior sensation has the quality which all inferior functions have, namely that it comes up into consciousness in islands; sometimes it functions, and then it disappears. Suddenly a smell is intensely realised, whereas three-quarters of an hour before it was not realised at all, but then suddenly it is taken in with great intensity.

The inferior sensation of an introverted intuitive is extremely intense, but it breaks through only here and there and then fades again from the field of awareness. The introverted intuitive has particular trouble in approaching sex because it involves his inferior extraverted sensation. It is most tragically mirrored in the works of Nietzsche, for instance, where, towards the end of his career, shortly before he went insane, very coarse sexual allusions penetrate his poems and also appear in Thus Spake Zarathustra. When he went insane, he apparently produced material of that kind, which was destroyed after his death because of its absolutely distasteful character. Inferior extra-verted sensation in his case was very much connected with women and sex, in a completely concrete way, and he didn't know how to deal with the problem at all.

The positive aspect of inferior extraverted sensation in the case of an introverted intuitive is to be found in an interesting way in the illumination expe rience of Jakob Boehme, a German mystic and an introverted intuitive type. He had a wife and six children for whom he never earned any money. He was in constant trouble with them because his wife always said that instead of writing books about God and fantasying about the inner development of the Godhead he would do better to see that his family had something to eat. He was absolutely crucified between these two poles of life. Now his greatest inner experience, a revelation of the Godhead upon which all his later writings are based, came from seeing a ray of light being reflected in a tin plate.

That sensation experience snapped him into an inner ecstasy and within a minute he saw, so to speak, the whole mystery of the Godhead. For years he did nothing except slowly translate into discursive language what he had seen inwardly in one minute, in one second! His writing is so emotional and chaotic because he tried to describe this one experience in so many ampli-fications. But the actual vision was set in motion by seeing a ray of light striking a tin plate on his table. This implies extraverted sensation - an outer sensation fact started off the process of individuation in him. Here one can see, besides the inferior aspect of extraverted sensation, this strange character of wholeness, the mystical aspect, which the inferior function often has. It is interesting that even Swedenborg's over-eating connected him with the Godhead. His inferior sensation was connected with his deepest and greatest concern.

(A period of questions and answers follows.)

Question: I would like to ask whether the ecstatic state is usually connected with the inferior function.

Dr. von Franz: Yes, it is connected in that it is normally started off by an experience of the inferior function.

Question: Would you say that the intuitive types tend to be more sensitive to what we call subliminal stimuli?

Dr. von Franz: Yes, in general I would say that both intuitive types are. They have to be, for they have to keep their consciousness constantly unfocussed and dim in order to get those hunches. They are sensitive to the atmosphere of a place. Probably intuition is a kind of sense perception via the unconscious, or a sort of subliminal sense perception. It is a way of operating through subliminal sense perception instead of through conscious perception.

Ouestion: Both the extraverted intuitive and Jakob Boehme seem to have distinctly introverted sensation. Shouldn't the introverted intuitive have a more extraverted sensation?

Dr von Franz: Yes, but Boehme had! My "horse man" (to describe him brief-ly) realised inner depth and became silent through his experience; he hasn't even told me much about it - he has only made allusions that something deep was going on. Boehme, on the other hand, exteriorised his insight - constructed a system of outer reality, of God and of evil in the world. He made a whole philosophy of it, but turned outwards, while personally he was very introverted. He was a shy little shoemaker.

Something else very interesting about Boehme is that as long as he was crucified between his nagging wife, who said he had better make good shoes and feed his six children, and speculating about a Godhead, he was very produc-tive. But after his first book was published, a German Baron felt so sorry for him, and felt so strongly that he was a great seer, that he took all his outer troubles away by paying for his family's support. From then on Boehme's writing gets full of resentment and repetitions. It sterilised his creativeness.

As you know, on his tomb is an image of the Godhead like this: ) (. This is really tragic, as it shows that he could not unite the light and the dark sides; that remained an insoluble problem to him. In my experience, this is connected with the very simple fact that he accepted money from this Baron, and by that escaped the torture of his inferior function. To be crucified between the superior and the inferior function is vitally important. I can only warn you that if you ever feel like saving such artists or prophets, for God's sake look at the case first very circumspectly and see how much you can afford to help them. If you buy them off reality, then they lose all sense of it. You have not helped them in the least. This type will beg you to help them out of their trouble, on their knees they will beg you to save them from the torture of outer reality with which they can't cope. But if you "save" them, the creative core of their personality is de. stroyed. That does not mean that if they are starving you cannot give them something to survive, or give them help from time to time when the situation is bad; but don't let them off the problem of reality because, strangely enough, that sterilises the inner process as well. That happened to Boehme and because of it he was not able to unite the opposites, not in his system nor in his life. What Baron von Merz did was really to destroy him by unwise charity.

Source: Von Franz on the Four Irrational Types

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[contentgreenearth]

JUNGIAN TYPOLOGY POST #10: DEGREES OF DIFFERENTIATION, AND HOW OFTEN DIFFERENT ATTITUDES ARE ACCESSED

There's a lot of improper teaching going on about this concept. There's even a Jung MBTI blogger teaching it as an 8 function model, so I figured this needed to be cleared up.

Not everyone is fully differentiated, as we are finding out through my blog. Fully differentiated people are a *minority* in humankind. The *majority* of people are undifferentiated in at least one way, if not multiple ways. Vendrah talks about that here:

As I mentioned in DISC post 2 and True Types Dynamics post 2, SOJT has 141 types, and DISC accounts for at least 5 of these SOJT types per DISC profile, if not more. The 5 SOJT types each DISC profile contains are:

A fully differentiated type,

A short dominant/long auxiliary type,

An undifferentiated auxiliary function type,

An undifferentiated attitude type

and an undifferentiated dominant and inferior

The top 2 SOJT types listed are "fully differentiated " (in differentiation Phase 4). That term, in a nutshell, means that the person has discovered themselves, and know exactly who they are. In those cases, there is a definite preferred attitude for each function. Under various circumstances, a fully differentiated person will exhibit the attitude opposite of their preferred one, but they have a definite preferred attitude for their conscious, which should be easy for outsiders to observe.

The latter 3 patterns, however, are Phase 3 differentiation patterns. People in Phase 3 are still trying to learn about themselves. Therefore, they might not have an obvious attitude preference on 2 or more functions. They will be going back and forth between the attitudes much more frequently than the Phase 4 (fully differentiated) type would do. The people in this phase of differentiation represent the majority of adults. This is what makes it hard to type these people correctly in the MBTI.

Therefore, if you are one of the vast majority of people, and in Phase 3 of differentiation, my best advice is this: When learning about access to the opposite attitude, don't try to apply the concept to yourself, but rather to an imaginary fully differentiated person in your head.

The reality is, most of us will *not* have definite preferred attitudes on all our functions. It's just that using a fully differentiated person as the foundation makes the concept easier to learn. We just have to keep in mind, though, that the numbers of functions with a definite preferred attitude don't apply to everyone

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[iy0v]

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