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bbglewis · 25 days
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Notes on Liberty Media buying MotoGP (From Someone who’s had to go through this before)
Okay, this is going to come off as hypocritical seeing as I am 1.) American, and 2.) I was an F1 fan before I was a MotoGP fan, but please hear me out on this.
For context, I come from a family of F1 fans. My uncle has been watching F1 for nearly 40 years and F1 and NASCAR were the two racing series I grew up with. I remember what F1 was like before liberty media bought it, and call it rose colored glasses or nostalgia, but it was far better than it is right now.
What liberty media brought to F1 was a culture of celebrity worship, Americinization, little understanding of the sport and how it functions and it’s history, and an onslaught of people who have little care for the sport and only care about saying they watch it because watching the “pinnacle of Motorsport” makes them look cool.
I only remember hearing that F1 was the “pinnacle of motorsport” once or twice before liberty media took over, now it’s all I hear. People who were fans before liberty media took over, like my uncle, have had their opinions pushed to the side and treated like they don’t matter in favor of newer fans who don’t know the history of the sport.
Why am I saying all this? Because I’m scared this is going to happen to MotoGP too.
While I have not been a MotoGP fan for the same amount of time as I’ve been an F1 fan, I fucking adore this sport. At this point I can honestly say that I love MotoGP more than I love F1, and liberty media will probably take a lot of what makes MotoGP, well, MotoGP, away, just like they did with F1. I’m terrified that MotoGP will fall victim to the celebrity culture, Americinization, etc., that now permeate F1.
I’ve seen this film before and I didn’t like the ending. I’ve only been a MotoGP fan for two seasons but this sport is near and dear to my heart, and I don’t want to see another sport I love be reduced to a capitalist ploy.
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42bakery · 14 days
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Hold on, at the press-release, DORNA said that Moto2 and Moto3 were not affected by the Liberty.
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But in the press conference Carmelo is saying that it includes everything under the DORNA umbrella
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(add Moto2, Moto, WSSP, WSSP300 and all the other categories that race during a JuniorGP weekend).
What is the truth in here?
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An actual sensible decision for once??
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ross1fum1 · 25 days
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I am aware that the move to Liberty Media was necessary because Dorna has too many debts that someone will have to repay, but what worries me more than the changes at a sporting level (which would have arrived with the new regulation anyway) is that they consider Moto3 and Moto2 feeder classes and not a thing in itself. Does that mean they are likely to be completely overlooked? I fear so.
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coimbrabertone · 18 days
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Cautiously Optimistic - Liberty Media Buying MotoGP
So, Liberty Media, owners of Formula One, are officially trying to buy MotoGP. This has been rumored for the last few months, with Dorna Sports - the parent company of MotoGP and World Superbike - had spent the last few years making the kind of moves you'd make before a big sale. The launch of sprint races in MotoGP, appointing a new CCO in the form of Dan Rossomondo, and expanding the calendar with new races in new markets.
Nevertheless, there were always question marks over whether Liberty Media could own both MotoGP and Formula One, because precedent suggested they could not. As Simon Patterson reported for the Race, in 2006, CVC Capital Partners acquired Formula One and thus European regulators ordered them to sell off MotoGP. Thus, MotoGP was sold to another private equity firm, Bridgepoint. Bridgepoint would then acquire World Superbike in 2013, and evidently owning the two premier global motorcycle racing series didn't seem to bother any regulators at that point.
I can't help but combine that with a quote from Dan Rossomondo made at some point while being the Chief Commercial Officer of MotoGP. Rossomondo said, essentially, that MotoGP doesn't just compete with other racing series, it competes with going out for a walk, listening to music, and all the other things you could do on a Sunday instead of sitting down and watching a motorcycle race.
Was that more than just an innocuous quote? Maybe it's a hint of how Dorna and Liberty will make their case to various regulatory bodies to justify this merger.
Whether or not that's true, Liberty Media seems confident that they're going to pass regulatory approval. How exactly that'll happen remains to be seen - some have suggested that World Superbike will be sold off as a sort of sacrificial lamb to allow this to happen - but it now seems like MotoGP and F1 will very likely end up under the same ownership.
So...what does that mean for MotoGP?
Well, it means that the company that turned F1 into this trendy giant of a series is going to give some of that marketing love to MotoGP. That can only be a good thing - MotoGP is fantastic racing and it deserves more attention.
Will MotoGP see a move from historic venues to chase new markets? I would argue that it already has. Dorna has already been chasing emerging markets and a simple look at the calendar will show that - Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia, India, etc, etc. Not only that, but that's arguably a necessary decision for MotoGP because, quite frankly, those are the countries that are buying motorcycles these days. 1000cc sport bikes? Not necessarily, but quite frankly, KTM doesn't even make a 1000cc sport bike, so MotoGP has become more of a showcase of the motorcycle industry rather than a marketing tool for a particular type of motorcycle.
Will this result in MotoGP chasing street circuits like F1 did? Well, Liberty Media has already said no, and as much as the word of giant corporations is worthless in 2024, simple safety concerns make it unfeasible. MotoGP needs a ton of space and big gravel traps to stop the bikes - and more importantly, the riders - in the kind of dramatic crashes that can happen in this sport.
What do I think will happen? Well, in the short term, not much, but come 2026, 2027 when circuit contracts start expiring, I suspect we'll lose a few existing venues - having four races in Spain presents an obvious opportunity for some trimming - and probably gain another race in the US (likely that Flatrock track in Tennessee) and if I had to guess, another one in East Asia, most likely China.
Maybe India will pave the way towards MotoGP reviving old, disused F1 tracks, and we could see the likes of South Korea and Istanbul Park added to the MotoGP calendar. If not MotoGP, then WSBK with a Turkish star in the form of Toprak Razgatlioglu really ought to consider it.
Anyway, the way I see it, the legitimate criticisms that F1 fans have with Liberty Media - being greedy, chasing new venues at the expense of historic ones, pushing the teams hard by constantly expanding the schedule - is all stuff that Dorna has already been doing. Even the complaints about the Drive to Survive drama, Dorna has tried two different DTS clones and neither one moved the needle. If you're going to be doing these things anyway, you might as well do them with the company that has at least been successful with it.
For now though, I have MotoGP coverage through Max and TruTV in the US, commercial free, and that's a dramatic improvement over how I had to watch the series last year. Dan Rossomondo's team has made MotoGP far more accessible and pleasant to watch already, and if that can continue under Liberty Media's ownership, then I hope this series that I've fallen in love with over the last year and a half can grow.
Thus, the overall verdict is...I'm cautiously optimistic.
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formulawut · 24 days
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Well, it's official.... liberty will complete its takeover of motogp at the end of 2024... really hope it doesnt go as badly as it has for f1....
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erelavent · 5 months
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I don't know why the FIA thought grandstanding would work. Like I said, F1 would never admit doing anything wrong and the teams aren't going to choose the FIA over F1 because legally, they can't, and also, that's stupid.
The powers that be at the FIA are writing checks they can't cash.
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artsyjedi · 23 days
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the fact i see some people saying "uh... they ONLY bought 86%" as if this isn't... power enough for them to ruin.... i mean.... viegas already said motogp has everything for the "american market" (or something along these words) like.... yeah, it's happening. i'm sorry. it was good while it lasted.
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certifiedbi · 25 days
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WorldSBK celebrating the takeover as if Liberty Media actually wanted them
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42bakery · 25 days
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People Liberty Media didn't get WSBK. They only got the 86% of the MotoGP class. Not even the 100%. Ezpeleta, retained the 14%, along with all the other series and classes
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So sorry to the MotoGP fans out there, because this is gonna be a long ride
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renarots · 3 months
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Fun fact when I was younger I didn’t know what a Ferrari looked like but I did know what a Cadillac looked like
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thepotentialof2007 · 5 months
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“The casinos run this town,” another anonymous resident told me. “Liberty Media is used to bilking sponsors, municipalities, and remote race tracks. They are not accustomed to dealing with very high-powered corporations who are in the business of doing the bilking, not being bilked.
“If the casinos don’t see a massive recurring profit that offsets the pain from construction and teardown, then this race will be dead. No one gives a crap about the sport. No one.”
https://jalopnik.com/i-hope-it-bankrupts-them-las-vegas-residents-enraged-a-1851009102
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solaireverie · 5 months
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i'm the nicest person you'll ever meet until someone brings up the fia and/or liberty media
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