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moonhibs · 6 months
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Let's go lesbians
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florshedworf · 1 month
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i know i dont pay enough attention to the alien infiltrator but there’s something that “vanessa” says that i feel like hasn’t been entirely revealed yet.
they say that shiny has some sort of weapon that would “destroy them.” and sure it could’ve been something like the rainbow beam or the GUT instinct but in the final episode, neither overlord master or the alien infiltrator said anything about shiny having this deadly destructive weapon that would destroy them.
so here’s my super epic theory. i think this is a weapon that hasn’t been revealed yet, and assumedly shiny himself doesn’t even know about it. it has to be a weapon specifically in his arsenal, because they don’t mention/refer thunder despite seemingly having a bigger arsenal. so what if this weapon is going to help defeat that megatron looking thing we see at the very end of the season 1 finale.
and i have so many questions. like what would the weapon even be? shiny’s already turned into a bomb so him being the weapon seems less likely (but i would not be surprised), so it has to be something he HAS.
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girlmartok · 10 days
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was about to say this in the tags of a post but then I realized I had nothing nice to say lol and op didn't deserve that, but I did not like tng the drumhead whatsoever. everyone was saying wild ooc shit except picard who once again is presented as the moral authority. I think tng has some really weak setups for its plots a lot of the time but this one didn't even make sense for multiple characters (except the most perfect specialist boy picard!!!) and it was so obvious they just wanted to push through the plot/sense to get to the picard moral high ground. long time listeners will know I am not a fan of JL as he is often written. I think he as a character is a case of too many cooks in the kitchen trying to make completely different recipes. and so often everyone else's characterization is fucked at the expense of making him look like a badass. but at his core he is not a badass. he is a depressed archeologist who longs to be day drunk.
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obessivedork · 2 years
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Forever thinking about Ezri and how wild it must’ve been for her to look at Jake and Nog and go “Oh, we’re the same age, I used to think of people their age as my peers and still would if not for the symbiont.” but also “They’re so young!! Jake’s a giggling toddler, they’re both awkward teenage boys running around making their fathers angry with their tight-knit friendship, they’re growing up into fine young men and I’m proud of them.” Like damn, poor Ezri’s brain must’ve been REAL scrambled about those two!
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gar-trek · 2 years
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Me whenever there is a male/female couple in Star Trek: …. Getting a lot of bi4bi vibes here
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9. worst part of canon and 10. worst part of fanon
Okay I'm gonna go w DS9 since thats out mutual ground but oh man I can give one for each fandom I'm in lemme tell you
9) Worst part of canon
I could say worst episodes, like my intense hatred for Wrongs Darker Than Death or Night (is that the Kiras Mom one? Idfk, hate it). But uuuuuh... hmm...
Okay a couple of other things that popped in my brain, like Garak and Bashir being randomly split up bc Homophobia(tm), Bashir not staying on Cardassia to help the relief effort even tho he 100% would based on past situations, etcetc. I gotta go with: trying to make Garak and Ziyal a romance. Ew. Just ew. I'm pretty sure Garak is older than Dukat (if by a few years) and shes like 19 if you do the math? Like.... ew... ewewewewewewew.
10) Worst part of fanon
I mean... in the one I sent you, you brought up mega Jiles shippers, and I have blocked someone who was tagging their like, Jiles supremacy posts and posts complaining about Garashir, because it was just baffling that they didn't just block the content they didn't wanna see.
But something I realized... Worf doesn't get a lot of love in fics and stuff? Or maybe I'm just on the wrong side of ds9 fanfic, but I rarely see Worf get as much love as the other characters, even ones considered "secondary" like Rom and Nog. It could just be me not interacting with the right kinds of content tho. Ik its not exactly a "bad" thing in being problematic?? Is that the term?? It's just kinda weird to me how little I see him in fan stuff.
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st4r-s33r · 2 years
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>makes separate blog for star trek things so I dont run all my followers off on my main blog bc I wanna spam post about gays in space.
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multiverserift · 9 days
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An often overlooked aspect of character and relationship building is the question: "How do the characters adress each other?"
It's a surprisingly interesting facet of DS9. I think Worf not once calls Quark by his name, it's always "the Ferengi".
Rom calls him only "Quark", I think, once or twice in the whole run of DS9. Otherwise it's always "Brother" or "my Brother". While Quark uses "my Brother" mostly derogatively, but when things get ugly, he says "Rom!"
[For all people reading this not familiar with Star Trek, another example: When Dean Winchester says "Sammy" you know things are escalating horribly.]
If someone knows an instance where Worf calls Quark by his name, let me know. I am looking for this for years. Maybe I heard it in the german translation.
Sisko is always called "Ben" by colleagues, which looks like an intimate name. Until you realize that he is called "Benjamin" only by his most intimate familiar, Dax. And mockingly and twisted, by Dukat. His full name is his pet name, while the abbreviated version is his more distanced, regular used name. Awesome detail.
Odo even mocks Kira for being interested in Chief O'Brien. Excuse me, I mean "Miles" 😉 In my own comic (not Star Trek related, I'm not brave enough for that), I, as the time of writing this, have only three characters on screen. And I put a lot of thought into the question: How do they adress each other? And even made a bit of fun of it.
Why am I telling you all this? Because Garak and Bashir have a very interesting dynamic. Firstly, there is not one instance of Bashir calling Garak "Elim". Garak calls him "Doctor Bashir" or the classic "my dear Doctor".
Now when we imagine Garak telling Julian how he actually doesn't like him (at all!) and then he says "ok bye. Julian. wink wink 😉" I don't really know if it would feel out of character for Garak. Damn, somebody get Andrew Robinson on the phone and pay him to say it.
If Garak does it slowly with a thick, chocolady sarcastic tone and smirk, I think it would work. But it would also make him VERY vulnerable, no matter how he tries to overplay it. Which would be an interesting scene, to say the least. So it would have the need to feel earned.
It would also be an interesting callback to early twink Bashir, hopelessly in need of human(oid) connection. He forcefeeds Kira the "HEY KIRA I'M JULIAN CALL ME JULIAN! SAY IT!!! JUUUUUUUUULIAN!" stuff very early on. At the end of the Julian and the Federation Ambassadors-Episode, they respect him and call him Julian.
So Garak denying him that indulgence is an interesting trait. And if you're still reading this with me, maybe you agree on that. It's important to notice how our characters adress each other.
Garak denies Julian the un-formality of the first name (what Julian desperately craves), and would propably be shocked or even angry in return, if Julian himself called him "Elim".
What I'm saying it, it would be a big deal. Closing a speech with "Julian" could break that delicate balance and dynamic. Maybe it would work. Maybe it wouldn't.
I would love to hear what Siddig or Andrew think about the question. Or anyone other than the voices debating this in my head. Do you have other examples for this?
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dduane · 6 months
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Hi!! So, this has probably been answered in interviews, but as somebody in my late 20s who like JUST watched TNG: is there a reason the show dealt so often with themes of the sci fi equivalent of transracial adoption? There's Worf's whole arc, "Suddenly Human", and several other episodes where the theme of being adopted by someone whose experience in the world does not match one's own is explored with great depth. Was this in the news a lot when the show originally aired? Was there someone in the writer's room who was living this experience?
First of all: when Michael Reaves and I wrote "Where No One Has Gone Before" for ST:TNG in 1987, the formal "writer's room" concept was only just beginning to coalesce, here and there, out of the old producer/senior writer/staff writers structure. As was usual for freelancers of that time, our screen agent simply called the TNG offices and got us an invitation to go in and pitch our idea to Roddenberry and one or more of the senior producers. When they liked what we had, we were asked to submit a written outline. Then, after some notes from Roddenberry and Herb Wright (our story's producer), we were told to go to script. But there was no group/cooperative “breaking out” of the script’s scenes, or idea-sharing, such as you’d routinely see in a room today. Michael and I just went home and wrote the script, turned it in a couple of weeks later, and got paid.
In the seasons that followed, something corresponding to a room did begin to come together at TNG—mostly because it had no choice but to do so. Within its first couple of seasons, TNG had acquired such an awful reputation for the way it treated its pitching freelance writers—including wildly arbitrary notes and even uncredited, secret rewrites from Roddenberry's lawyer—that almost no one with Guild qualifications wanted to bother trying to write for Trek any more. (This is why ST:TNG became one of the very few series operations in Hollywood to start accepting pitches from non-Guild members. See the article here for some background on the situation.)
All of the above being the case, I have no real idea of what the staff writers / nascent ST:TNG room might have been thinking about transracial adoption, or when... especially since later in 1987 I relocated to the UK and then to Ireland, to live with @petermorwood. The move took me somewhat out of the US TV loop, and turned my attention more toward film and TV work (and books, of course) in Europe.
The right person to ask about this—and it's a pity he has no presence here—would be Ron Moore. If anybody has an answer to your question, I'm betting Ron would. It's possible the subject's come up in some interview with him, though, so you might want to look into that.
Anyway, sorry not to be able to be of more help.
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Any argument trying to explain "logically" why Harry Kim was never promoted is just not going to stand any close exam. There were no ensign main characters on TNG and DS9, not for more than a couple of episodes at least; there is no "need" for lower ranking characters to be around, it's not any kind of Trek "tradition". And promotion was granted liberally in previous shows; Worf slowly rose through the ranks (mostly offscreen), Deanna Troi passed the examination in order to become a bridge officer as part of her character development. Make no mistake, rank totally is symbolical but can also be adapted to changes in the show, even abrupt ones. Both Jadzia Dax and Julian Bashir get promoted offscreen between season 3 and 4 because the writers felt that Dax shouldn't have a lower rank than Worf, a newcomer on the station.
In the end rank change in Star Trek is just not in any way something unusual or particularly dramatic, unless it's about Harry Kim; then it suddenly becomes so tortorous a decision that people are still debating the merits of him remaining an ensign for the whole run of the show.
There was simply neither merit nor logic in insisting on not promoting Harry, only a production that didn't care very much about him and went to extremely petty lengths to remind everyone of this fact.
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worflesbian · 7 months
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obsessed withe the scene where worf asks if deanna will take care of alexander if he dies during the operation. he's really tentative about it like he doesnt want to push this on her but once she realises what he's asking she accepts it decisively.
i think deanna was pigeonholed into this ~feminine nurturing empath~ role by sexist writing a lot of the time when it wasn't the full extent of her character, and that could've carried over in frustrating and reductive ways to her being a guardian figure to alexander, but i actually think they built it up really well across multiple episodes in relation to both her personal experiences and her role as a counsellor - the times in which she intervenes and refuses to let worf get away with some of his worse parenting choices earlier on were great examples of this. when you consider her often fraught relationship with her (more alien) mother and the early death of her (more human) father, she and alexander mirror eachother almost perfectly. im sure worf would not enjoy being compared to lwaxana but its undeniable that they both have strong personalities that dont often mesh well with others, and they work important jobs which mean they're very busy and frequently in danger and cant always spare time for their child, and then worf actually becomes an ambassador himself at the end of ds9 which is kind of perfect.
deanna's willingness to not just take care of alexander but stand up for and advocate for him long before anyone asked her too is actually a really well executed if underexplored arc in my opinion and i woudve Loved to see the two of them meet again in the later ds9 era when alexander was (mostly) all grown up
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thefloatingstone · 20 days
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Question, so far in BG3 what do you think about each companion and who is your favorite ? Personally, like many, I pick Karlach !
I like the companions but I am still figuring them out (which is funny considering I have 50 hours into the game which is longer than the entirety of Mass Effect 1).
Lae'zel - Completely out of her depth culturally but at this point unaware of it. Very black and white in her thinking regard right and wrong... and yet surprisingly VERY quick to move someone from the "wrong" side in her head over to the "right" side. I was shocked by how she instantly liked Karlach the second Karlach explained her situation to us, and had 0 problem in immediately being like "this is a good one." despite her history. Thinks she's big and tough but is actually just a tsundere. Reminds me of Worf.
Gale - shockingly quick to latch on and trust people. To a degree that suggests he's a little bit desperate for affection. However it's not manipulative or anything, it's very genuine. He just trusts too quickly and will drink up any positive interaction like a man dying of thirst. possible praise kink.
Astarion - Like I said in the other post; essentially a cat that's been mistreated its whole life and will now swat and hiss at anyone trying to be nice to him simply out of fear. Constantly afraid but is hiding it behind sass or bitching. Only member left in the team who is still stuck on neutral in terms of relationship with Tav. Is constantly annoyed with me for being nice to the broken the beaten and the damned. Almost certainly because his experiences have taught him if you're not powerful you will be abused by those who are and it's upsetting to see someone who doesn't follow this internal logic of his. Needs a hug and a hot chocolate.
Wyll - Guy of all time. But he does come with hot demon mommy so that's a plus.
Shadowheart - obviously grew up a spoiled little princess by people who are actively grooming her for some fucked up religious role and have been telling her for her whole life that it's TOTALLY awesome and TOTALLY special and that she's TOTALLY special for being trained for it when really they're just brainwashing her into thinking getting used and and forced into something without her consent is something she actually wants and she should be proud of it. She hasn't figured this out yet tho and mostly still has amnesia about it which is 100% just more grooming. For some reason unlike my friend who found her insufferable and bratty, she's been very nice to me. Sucks to use in a fight tho.
Karlach - Ray of fucking sunshine. Somehow both the mom friend AND the little sister friend. Most purehearted member of the whole lot. Has the ADHD experience of literally vibrating in place but getting told by the entire world to "calm down" and "sit still". Uncomplicated but not in a bad way. Nothing but good vibes all the time. Has never had a bad thought about anybody. Deserves the fucking world.
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leohtttbriar · 7 months
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not done thinking about the impact of this decision to go back in time, within in the story--the drama, the implications, the existentialist commitment--so i wrote out a possible version of the letter jadzia records for her mother, right before they switch the helm to auto-pilot (metaphorically and actually).
To my mother:
I am sorry--for my incoherence. I normally have a script for this sort of thing, but today the scripts are lost. Maybe because now everything has already been scripted, in an impossible loop. So for this, I’m expressing some unique regrets. This is the message you never hoped you would get--a message you never hoped you would get that you will enjoy far less than that message you never hoped you would get. For that and many other reasons, I am of course sorry. I don't have long. But really, I have so much time and I do not want it. (Actually, I’m sorry for saying that. I want my time in life, I promise. I am sorry for causing you pain.)
Aren’t I just sorry about so many things, now? If I could look at myself from the outside, I would even venture to call myself pathetic. Perhaps that’s what Yedrin sees—the girl who couldn’t save her friend, the girl who couldn’t move on, the girl who is now him, the girl who caused this whole nightmare to begin with.
(I expect the mission briefing being transmitted with all our farewell missives will explain who Yedrin is for you. And what it is I have done.)
The fact is, mother, I am still alive. I am just in a place where you can’t reach me. Time is trapping me, as well as several thousand promises in the shape of people. They want to live and Kira wants them to live so now I will go back to ensure it. I will do what has been reported of their history to ensure that history is written. I will marry Worf and bear countless children and when I do eventually die a generation from now, Dax will go on to another—as is custom. So you see, I am still alive and will remain so long after you read this.
What should I even ask you to mourn, is the question. I’m already mostly absent from your life, at least physically. If I were not to go on this journey back in time, I would still be so far away from you, by so many light-years, that by relative standards we would still be separated by time. Distance is time and time is space—when dealing with quantities like this. Me in a starship, you home… listening to a message I recorded for you a month ago about some organic stone that grows like a plant. (I am sorry, that you have been even for a moment an afterthought to my curiosity. Or maybe I’m not sorry, for still I’ve been gone. Caring more about stones than anything else.) My being on this planet and deliberately stranding myself two hundred years in the past is hardly going to change the status quo, excepting a handful of visits.
Yet, I am sorry. I’m sorry, too, for even trying to pretend like this isn’t the end of something. You will probably not be satisfied to know I’m doing this in service to others. I personally can’t think you selfish for preferring your daughter in the same instantaneous slice of time. But I won’t waver from this, now that it’s decided.
It’s the end of Kira’s life and it is also the end of mine. You’ll accuse me of being dramatic, but I have no intention of labeling this next performance as something as wild and unique and fresh and interesting and fun as life. There’s no real death to it, either—for someday I am will come stumbling down onto this planet again and start this letter to you over once more. Maybe.
Do you remember when I told you about the proto-universe that we had to set back in the wormhole? You said it reminded you of working with delicate coral polyps in your garden, making sure there are enough of them upon each branch, that they are flowering and not crowding, that they are able to eat. That has stayed with me for longer than you know—the image of great dark-energy corals, holding little polyp universes on their colorful bones. And your work, it is something mundane, humble—you’ll call me elitist for saying so—but it’s true. Also true is the fact that I do not wish to do humble work, even if it is beautiful like your garden. I like gardens to stay where I can think about them—in the dark—not where I have to do the digging myself, where the digging is just for planting and not for studying. You’ll say again I’m elitist for drawing that distinction. But my place is in a lab, hitting my head on a fume-hood and taking my time stirring a solution with my glass-stirrer. Because I like the sound it makes against the beaker.
I will think of your coral garden for the rest of my life. I will think of Trill and its amethyst ocean and skies and grass. I will think of my dear father and sister and, of course, you, mother. I hope you will think of me too, doing something different than planting crops: maybe living a life off-planet, discovering a smart fungus that would make father scrunch his nose in distaste…and make you smile.
I would give so many things to return to you. But, alive or not, I am now lost.
I will try to be happy—I have been assured I will find some happiness, even if now it is hard to comprehend. And I’ll play the stone-tossing games, that you taught us when were little, with my own inevitable children. We’ll do what you always showed us how to do. We’ll have a lot of fun.
Your daughter, Jadzia.
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yeomanstuff · 3 months
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So, I was thinking about Star Trek, and Klingons, and everyone tends to see them as the perfect expression of the “planet of hats” trope where the entire world has a culture that’s fixated on one thing. In this case, battle and honor.
And there’s a lot of that, but it’s also way more nuanced than that, I explain.
1) First off, we need to remember that our point of view into Klingon culture is Worf. Who was raised by humans from a fairly young age, and who had to learn about his heritage second hand. So of course he has an idealized and simplistic view of it.
Further, he feels he must prove he is Klingon and so holds himself to the highest standards of that ideal.
2) Second, we gets hints that the obsession with battle and honor is mostly a thing of the upper/warrior class. Though that leaks into the rest, we know there are Klingon farmers, some, like Martok, dream of being warriors.
It’s just, that’s usually the Klingons we see. We rarely see Klingon dentists just going about their day.
3) There’s also the implication that this is just fashionable. Some of the warrior class pays lip service to this ideal, but that when it comes to it, will cut and run. Others have only a surface level understanding and will do stupid things to save face or because it means dying gloriously.
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danshive · 11 months
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"Guess what, Worf? This episode is all about YOU!"
"Is it? Is it really?"
"Well, no, it's mostly focused on Picard investigating your family history for some reason. Get used to that, by the way."
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knightotoc · 1 year
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Who fumbled the trope better: The Rise of Skywalker or Picard Season 3? (long post by a hater)
1. Everyone's Related
- TRoS: retcons the story to make the protag someone's kid; it's a big reveal with little time to process; odd things are apparently genetic (like shooting lightning and being evil and goth); she rejects her heritage and chooses a different family, who are all dead; the emotional peak is a father ('s ghost) redeeming his wayward son; nepo kids get together, sorta; a claustrophobic sense of being trapped in the past and made intentionally inferior to the famous
- PIC S3: protag has had a secret kid this whole time; it's a big reveal with little time to process; odd things are apparently genetic (like bravery and accent); inconsistent with other legacy character's parental experiences (Geordi's daughters are second-tier characters who parallel Jack's rejection-acceptance-nepotism arc; Riker and Troi's kids are briefly but emotionally discussed; one emotional line about Wesley; one unemotional line about Lal; utter absence of Alexander); the emotional peak is a father redeeming his wayward son; as Picard's unqualified son and Geordi's qualified daughter get jobs on the bridge of Starfleet's flagship, Picard says, "Names mean almost nothing," and his son responds, "Names mean almost everything;" nepo kids get together, sorta; a mind-numbing sense of conservative family values and reassuring some very insecure people
2. Lesbian Queerbaiting
- TRoS: in the final celebration homage to RotJ, two minor characters kiss in the background; this spawned the "live slug reaction" meme that has now manifested as a homophobic inside joke in Jedi: Survivor
- PIC S3: Seven and Raffi got together in S2 and became Trek's first lesbian couple between two major characters (DISCO already gave us Trek's first major gay couple), but they broke up before the events of S3; they are coworkers in the end of S3, but are not back together because of...
3. Fear of Shippers
- TRoS: Finn is clearly into Rey, but it's unclear if she likes him back; Rey and Kylo kiss sans romantic music, but then he dies and she does not see his ghost; two more women are introduced to pair with Finn and Poe, but none of them get together either; it's unconfirmed, but the vibe is that they didn't want to commit to anything to try to please everyone
- PIC S3: the vibe is the same and it is confirmed:
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(by "that scene," he means Picard returning to Laris)
Both franchises also had a focus on an interracial relationship (Finnrey and Saffi), then have the Black person hang out mostly with another Black character (Jannah and Worf) while the white person hangs out with mostly white characters.
4. Bad Boy Braincontrol
- TRoS: somehow Palpatine returned, and he's been in Kylo's mind this whole time; that's why he's evil, not anything of his own free will, just the old story impressing itself upon him (he still has to die though); you know this villain, just defeat him with the power of love like you did last time
- PIC S3: somehow the Borg Queen returned, and she's been in Jack's mind this whole time; that's why he has intrusive thoughts, not because that's a thing that happens to people, just the old story impressing itself upon him; you know this villain, just defeat her with the power of love like you did last time
The visual similarities of Zombie Palpatine and Zombie Borg Queen are remarkable -- physically trapped in dusty corners by creepy machines -- and would be even more interesting if I could actually see them in these dark rooms. This design, which suggests an elderly person immobile in a hospital, actually makes me feel a lot of pity and affection for them. It certainly would have felt far more heroic to help these poor creatures than to rather easily defeat them.
5. We Love Objects
- TRoS: Kylo's private room is literally a museum with curated displays of old props; fetch quest video game-y plot; lots of attention paid to whose lightsaber does what and goes where
- PIC S3: let's break into the museum of old props; kitschy oil paintings of the Enterprise and Picard on the walls; the most unearned and half-hearted "long shots of beloved ship leaving space dock" sequence in a franchise full of such sequences
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