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littlegalerion · 5 years
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Shipathon  Meme!
Tagged by @sheirukitriesfandom Thanks for tagging me and giving me an excuse to rant about ships~ Tagging: @foxyhearts @diamond-loki @greennightingale  1.) First Ship you Ever Wrote Fic For? It was for Vanus and Caafire, and it actually got featured front page on an animo! It was old Caafire though, before I had developed her to her current status of unable-to-use-magic-because-if-she-does-she’ll-explode sword swinger master. Back then she was just a free lance battlemage with a bad family life.  2.) Ship you Write Most Now? Well... tech I write for Trechire x Eliindil (Sheogorath) most now because that’s my timeline’s canon, so every time I write using characters in that universe I’m tech writing that ship, as Sunnabela and Kirr are their kids (Sunnabela his step-son, but Eliindil raised him). Just it’s a post-ship writing I guess? In terms of who I formulate for the most, that would probably be Laloriaran X Trechire in the AU, which I really should write more of.  3.)Ship you Read the Most Now? Sotha Sil x S/O, and it’s more just headcanon fluff stuff really. I wish there was more Sotha Sil x S/O, but that’s “not lore friendly” so I think a lot of would be writers get intimidated and scared away by lorebeards to write any solid series with it. I HAVE seen some, and for that I’m grateful. The headcanons at least seem to be multiplying beautifully.  4.) Newest Ship? Some questions are best left unanswered.  5.) Rare Ship you Wanna Read More of? Bring on the Sotha Sil x S/O or the Vanus x S/O.  Please, spoil me.  6.) Your Taboo Ship? Okay, I can already feel the heat of sheer rage from people reading what I’m gonna write under this. But Vanus x Mannimarco is the most toxic ship I have ever seen, in ANY fandom.  Firstly, heavily cliche. “They hate each other so at one time they must have liked or loved each other” No, that is not what that means. Sometimes it could be the case, but if it was romantic, then it wasn’t a “little falling out”. Vanus and Mannimarco are legends in their war against each other. In ESO Mannimarco loudly insults and kills mages of the guild, while Vanus openly spits against necromancy. Both very passionately doing so. If something romantic did happen, it’s a romance with no good memories in it. Secondly, it’s abusive. In Summerset, we get to see the two of them in their youth interacting. During this quest, it’s very obvious Mannimarco is manipulating Vanus, who is very optimistic and wants to believe the best in his friend. Mannimarco, however, doesn’t care. He never saw Vanus as an equal, BUT as a potentially USEFUL mage. He probably did feel a sting when Vanus rejected necromancy, but it wasn’t because “oh dear, my lover has rejected me!” It was most likely because Mannimarco realized he had lost a very useful future second in command, and gained an enemy which would prove a pain for years to come. I like to also point out, Mannimarco wasn’t this lonely little necromancer in the Order. We see a note concerning him in the dungeon that proves he had other friends and, while perhaps not well received overall, he had their respect as a senior member.  What I’m getting at is, if there was ANY romantic or sexual relationship between Mannimarco and Vanus, it was NOT healthy. Mannimarco knew what he was doing, and was most likely an emotionally abusive partner. The type that gets uncomfortably moody or guilt trips their partner to get his way. He is SEEN doing this in the quest, actually, when Vanus catches him raising a skeleton guar, Mannimarco replies, “I thought you’d understand” and “You sound like the Ritemaster.” A chord he knew would hit Vanus hard, which it did, as Vanus stumbles to reply and drops the argument.  Listen, if your s/o does something that makes you feel very uncomfortable and unsafe, then you go to them about it and they pull that crap on you, YOU LEAVE.  Lastly, a lot of the time it seems I see this ship under “cute gay mages owo”. Gay couples deserve healthy relationships. Gay relationships do not need to be soaked in pure drama and dark tones to exist. Especially in Elder Scrolls, where gay couples live happily and were never considered out of place.  Do not hide under the gay tag to get away with an abusive ship. Being gay doesn’t excuse a person for being an asshole, or for someone to be a pushover. But that’s enough of my ravings against that ship. For the record, I adore Mannimarco as a villain; he’s one the best I’ve ever seen, honestly.  So this isn’t just an unfair rage fest against him.  7.) They never met in Canon Ship? I feel like I have a ship on the tip of my tongue, but it just isn’t coming out. I’m drawing a blank. Nerevar with literally anyone else other than Ayem? 8.)Your unexpected Ship? Lyris and her Redguard husband were a surprise. I usually don’t relate to the warrior types in these games, but these two are just sweethearts.  9.) The Ship you Always Forget to give Love to? Verandis x Trechire. GEEZE, I forget about them so much and it’s probably the most logical ship. Verandis is a vampire lord who wants to convince the world vampires aren’t always evil, and to convince other vampires they shouldn’t live at war with the world. Trechire is a werewolf alpha who hides her wolf self from virtually everyone she knows, save for her pack, who she strives to teach to be true hunters with a code of honor. Not just some hounds who bark crazily at passersby who have a bow in their hands.  Both mages, both Altmer, both famous for their family names, so there’s lots of pressure on them.  They’d have so much to talk about, and would be such a stress reliever to each other.  10.) Ship your OC with a canon character? I already do, that’s like half the ships already in this post.  My biggest one is Laloriaran x Trechire.  Although Trechire x Sheogorath is my canon, as Eliindil becomes Sheogorath, so that counts as a canon character? 11.) Ship you’re embarrassed to Ship? She recently acquired his staff motif in this big event on ESO. He recently traded his old staff design in for the new Chapter, but in the main quest line his character model still has it.  That’s all I’m saying, because I don’t take the ship seriously, but it still exists and fuels my nightmares.  12.)Your most Romantic Ship? Trechire and Eliindil, because Trechire was made by me, Eliindil is an OC made by both me and my fiance who helps flesh out his personality, design, and background.  Then of course Laloriaran and Trechire.... 13.)Your Sexiest Ship? If I don’t say Sheogorath and Trechire, pretty sure I’m getting teleported 50 feet above the stone surface of where I shall die.  14.) Your most Tragic Ship? Laloriaran and Trechire, who ARE in my canon but of course, Laloriaran dies.  In her canon, Trechire completed the events of Morrowind, Clockwork City, and Summerset before the main questline of ESO. She had seen so many friends or just good people die. Leythen being ripped from reality right before her, Darien being forced to sacrifice himself and Trechire reading his last words before him fading away forever. Tanval Indoril dying from his own mistake, Verandis making a stupid decision out of desperation and guilt. Not to mention all the numerous little quests where this innocent and complicated person dies or suffers in the end. ESO is vicious. She had witnessed so much death, and in Laloriaran’s eyes she saw someone who understood that pain. More than anything in the world, she wanted the last Ayleid to return to Tamriel, where he’d be among friends that wouldn’t count on him for survival, but live and thrive together. She made a promise in her heart, if ANYONE would survive, even at the cost of her own life, Trechire would see to it that Laloriaran did, be it as a lover or as a friend.  And in the end, he died in her arms, Trechire a healer who could offer nothing to save him.  15.) A Ship You want more Content For? Again, BRING ON THE VANUS WITH S/O AND SOTHA SIL WITH S/O, PLEASE. 
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naernon · 5 years
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The guy was always petty and resentful. He even blamed Ayrenn and the vestige for killing Estre, knowing fully well she was the Veiled Queen and a fascist cultist, and refused to let that go. Not Estre's fault for damn near destroying Auridon, no, your and Ayrenn's fault for having to stop her. Rajhiin's Mantle has nothing to do with that bullshit.
1.) Literally no one asked you to be rude for no reason and yet, here you are, doing it anyways. Relax.
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2.) Ah, yes, Estre... his wife. Who, regardless of the state (or origin) of their relationship, he clearly loved or cared about enough to be in a state of great despair after her death. A typical reaction for people who have their spouses die, regardless of circumstance, is it not? Christ.
We know that Naemon clearly had no fucking clue about Estre being the Veiled Queen or a Mehrunes Dagon cultist. His WIFE, and he didn’t know. Jab him for that naiveté all you want, but that only highlights how Estre’s reveal had to be as shocking for him as everyone else, if not more so. He was grieving and angry and he had every right to be so. Age can also be a consideration, as he’s in his early 20s, freshly an adult, with that emotional youthfulness magnified by how long elves typically live.
So. No, anon, I do not blame him for being as angry as he was and coming out swinging at anyone responsible. Does that mean that yelling at you for killing her is entirely reasonable? No. But I completely understand why he would do so. His wife is dead and I killed her.
Also, bridging off into some meta-ish elaboration, I feel his cluelessness gives us an idea of how open they were with eachother, at least in regards to Estre @ Naemon-- two major factors in her life and inevitably his (as it involves the death of his fucking sister) and he was left in the dark about it.
We know of three major figures in Naemon’s life. Ayrenn, who he still has bitterness towards for the throne thing, their relationship strained at best. The Vicereeve, obsessive.... assistant (?) who is so callous that he desecrates the prince’s body in raising him as a lich. And Estre, his wife, who he cares much for... that seemingly viewed him as nothing more than a stepping stone. She was a damn cultist and the Veiled Queen, set on killing his sister, and he didn’t know. She dies, and he still knew nothing, nothing at all. Two out of three of those people view him as a puppet.
I’m sure that was a great realization for him to eventually go through, anon. One that certainly wouldn’t give him even more of a reason to be shocked and angered beyond belief. Kidding.
His value is reduced to the crown that he spent a decade only to not get, all to fuck over his sister and devalue her own claim to the throne and her efforts that he’s tried his best to assist, despite it all. I can’t blame him for any frustration.
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3.) Stop acting like he, from the time Estre dies to the Orrery, was constantly spitting in you and Ayrenn’s face, as if he constantly ranted on about how Estre was right, actually, and how he wishes you and Ayrenn would be fucked over as a result of what you had to do. If that was the case, then him deciding to go into the Orrery without anything corrupting his psyche makes a lot more damn sense. But that wasn’t the case, was it?
Oh wait... ah, yes, there were so many tell-tale signs that his swallowed bitterness towards Ayrenn and newfound hatred of you would culminate in him trying to usurp Ayrenn’s throne. (/s) Such as:
Ayrenn and Naemon’s conversation before the Orrery. “My place is in your shadow, as it has always been!” Among light banter and joking. A lot of emotion and long-unaddressed troubles hidden in that banter, but still a sibling conversation.
His anger at Ambassador Tarinwe’s corruption. “I’ll speak to the Ambassador myself. Put the fear of the Dominion into her.” (the words of a traitor! of course!)
"I won't have Queen Ayrenn's word impugned by someone else's incompetence."
He also seems to warm up to you as the quests leading up the Orrery continue on. Regardless of how you interpret his view of you as a person, he clearly respects you as a servant of the Dominion and your assistance in clearing things up for the ratification ceremony he’s worked his ass off to prepare for. How petty, and resentful.
Need I go on? It cannot be denied that he has resentment, he has anger... but he pushes it down to be loyal to his sister, who he insists he won’t turn his back on.
Add that to his obvious disinterest in the Orrery (time to go into this “ayleid deathtrap” to usurp the throne of the sister i love and have endlessly dedicated myself to despite all that’s happened, and in the process injure everyone in the room!), and bing, bang, boom, magical corruption being a big reason as to why he went into the Orrery at all suddenly becomes a lot more reasonable.
If it was purely on his own accord after being manipulated, there would have been indication of such happening that wasn’t in the very moment of his betrayal. But there wasn’t any, nor was there any indication that he initially walked into the room with the intention to hurt his sister, no matter how “petty” and “resentful” you view him as being.
TLDR; Viewing Prince Naemon as an asshole who’s only petty and resentful, said traits being what causes him to go into the Orrery, not Rahjin’s Mantle or anything else, is dumb.
Also, my tone in my Rahjin’s Mantle posts was light and joking, only to be matched by you acting like an ass for no damn reason. Calm down.
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empresskatariah · 5 years
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idk I feel like I’m not really qualified to speak on this but it’s weighing on my mind...
if you play a fantasy race that canonically has enslaved or otherwise oppressed another fantasy race, and you do so wholeheartedly endorsing said oppression by depicting it as desirable, you can’t just deflect any and all criticism by insisting “oh but it’s in the lore, my Dunmer character should be able to own Khajiit and Argonian slaves.” I’m aware we can play heartless murderers who turn into monsters and eat people but like, in-game slavery provides a power fantasy no decent person should want to explore... arguing that it should be present because “lore” is just a roundabout way of saying you think it’s cool.
people pushing their bigoted beliefs into gameplay is nothing new. I mean there are people who legitimately play characters who endorse genocide and perform in-game actions to reflect this. TES lore itself seems to endorse genocide depending on what source material you’re pulling from (RIP Snow Elves and Ayleids). there’s a lot to be viewed under a critical lens and for good reason. but I still feel like more needs to be done and said by Morrowind fans and Dunmer fans in general to reinforce the cold hard unchangeable fact that slavery is utterly reprehensible. otherwise we end up with assholes making mods for Skyrim where you can mount beastfolk heads on your walls and wear clothes made from their skins. because Dark Elves being the master race and using beastfolk for decor isn’t horrible right? it’s cool and besides it’s lore-friendly!!1!
anyway my point is: slavery is bad, racism is bad, using fantasy race as vehicle for your own racist views is bad.
also the people who wanted the player to be able to own slaves in ESO can go choke. some threads I came across on the subject were what prompted this whole tirade in the first place.
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The Elder Scrolls Elf Races as Rated by Elf Strangeness
Altmer (High Elves) - The tallest of the elves. Also the most snobbish. Have ridiculously intricate table manners. Consider themselves superior to all other races and practice eugenics to maintain their superiority. Really like magic and make very powerful mages. Hate the worship of Talos. Not so much strange, as they are assholes. 3/10
Ayleids (Heartland High Elves or Wild Elves) - Were able to capture and store magic in meteoric glass and used these stones to power mechanisms in their cities. Loved power greatly. Worshiped both Aedra and Daedra. Also known to have fornicated with Daedra at least once. Had a great empire until a slave revolt happened, after which they got driven into the margins and subsequently disappeared. Like the Altmer, only weirder. 5/10
Bosmer (Wood Elves) - Friendly, smol, tree-loving elves. Made a pact with the forest god Yffre to live in peace in the Valenwood, whose tenants include never harming a plant of the Valenwood. And only eating meat....including the meat of enemies slain in battle. These elves will eat you. Their pact with Yffre also granted them an ability to perform a group ritual that transforms them into a hoard of unstoppable murdercreatures. Their normal exterior is but a ruse. NOPE/10
Dunmer (Dark Elves) - Formerly a group of kinda orange elves called the Chimer, who got cursed and subsequently pallet-swapped. Worship either a trio of living gods called the Tribunal or the Daedric Princes Mephala, Boethiah, and Azura. Also really big into ancestor veneration. Some of them live in giant mushrooms, while others have an either city district built in the remains of a giant crab. Suitably weird and non-human. 6/10
Dwemer (Dwarves or Deep Elves) - Underground-dwelling, steampunk elves in a fantasy setting. Built robots and giant mechs which still function after several thousand years of no maintenance. Discovered a way to warp reality using music. All telepathically connected through an ability named the Calling. Sought to create their own god. Managed to collectively screw themselves and vanish wholesale due to this. Generally very strange. 8/10
Falmer (Snow Elves) - Very very pale elves who were once a great civilization, before being devastated by a war with the Nords. Made a deal with the Dwemer for sanctuary in their cities, which involved eating mushrooms which turned them build. Slowly warped into murderous creatures who hate all other beings. Now basically Morlocks. 8/10
Maormer (Sea Elves) - Have translucent, chameleon-like skin and milky white eyes. Descended from a group of elves that got banished to a marsh island in the ass end of nowhere. Generally pissed about this. Build ships out of insect parts and ride sea serpents into battle. Genuinely freaky, if only they appeared in more than one game. 9/10
Orsimer (Orcs or Pariah Elves) - Originally ancient high elves who were so faithful to their god that they got cursed and warped when he did. Favour physical strength far more than other elves. Everyone hates them and constantly sacks their one city. Many lead a tribal existence on the fringes of society. Easily the strangest origin story of any elf race in the realm. 7/10
TL;DR - Elves in the Elder Scrolls are weird as fuck. 
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virginiacreepervine · 5 years
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Christ’s Session Notes- 4/25/19
Recap: Last session, Lorr snuck out in the middle of the night to go “Have a Snak”, referring to her ongoing fling with Snak gra-Bura, Stable-master of the Chestnut Handy stables just outside the Imperial City walls. Once everyone woke up for the day, the attended an auction in the Imperial City Waterfront that turned disastrous; Multiple Cheese creatures, each imbued with a Daedric soul, burst forth from the property being auctioned. After a fierce fight, the party was victorious. The City administration awarded them 10,000 septims for this, and granted them a choice on what to build in the Cheese Shack’s place. They picked a forge, and gave the deed to Lelia’s father. After this cheesy and traumatic event, they spent their hard earned money in the Tiber Septim Hotel, eating and drinking the rest of the day away. It was here that Rielle admitted some things about his past; he’s on the run from his family and his former lover, Fion (surely I won’t use that to fuck with them AT ALL. never). Rielle also got a little too drunk, and retired to their room to recover, Kyra in tow to ensure the organ damage sustained in the fight healed correctly. Dry-Scales devised a plan to give Lelia a hand. Lelia heard an answer to what Dry-Scales did with the minotaur babby, but reasoned that it was likely horse-shit. Most of the party retired to Lelia’s house for slumber party 2: big kitty boogaloo.
At session start, have everyone roll Observe; anyone that passes is woken up by Lorr returning. Rielle must roll Endurance; on success, he is hungover for 1 hour. On failure, he is hungover for DoF Hours, and any physical test must be met with a -20 Endurance test, and all tests are done with a -5 Allow the party to do whatever they want, but remind them of their goal to reach Anvil. Dry-Scales has some engineering plans, but other than that the city is quiet and all is well. When the party crosses the IC Bridge, they are met with a mysterious Breton merchant, selling a book; Skyrim: Legendary Edition for 60 Septims. If anyone reads this book, they dream of waking up on a cart after crossing the border, the same as us and that thief over there. Bitch at yourself for doing this joke a second time. On the other side of the bridge lies Weye, a small fishing community built around the Wawnet Inn. There are a few people around, but nothing is going on. If asked about any rumors, the patrons and innkeeper will mention some adventuring group out of Skingrad that is making a decent name for themselves; The Grapevine. No one present is aware of who they actually are, just that they’ve been clearing out old caverns and ruins, making things safe for the locals and travelers.  The party can make it as far as Fanacasecul, an Ayleid ruin. The Empire is trying to rebuild it into a port to accommodate some of the ship traffic in the Imperial City. The builder won’t take issue with the party staying their to rest, and will likely offer to drink with them; one of the workers, when drunk will gush about how the leader of The Grapevine is the most beautiful Bosmer woman they’ve ever seen. When they wake up, ask them to roll perception. This isn’t for anything, but laugh when they do it. Gotta keep these assholes on their toes. This leg of travel, the party can make it as far as Ceyatatar, another Ayleid ruin. Have them roll Observe at -80; if anyone passes, they notice that they’re not alone, and there are a dozen people around them with a chameleon and muffle spell on. If they fail, they see a ruined campsite, left to wither as nature reclaims it. If they enter the ruins (or pass the observe test), ask them to roll a d100; this is a -40 Willpower test. If they fail, they’re unconscious. If they don’t, they are given the option to surrender. If they fight, nets are thrown and they’re kinda fucked. No one in the party can pass these tests without a crit. this is by design. They awake to the sound of water dripping: a nearby bandit(?) is pissing on the ground next to their cell. all their weapons and armor have been confiscated, laying in a pile about 25 meters from their cell. They’re inside an ayleid ruin, a +20 Logic test will reveal that its the very ruin they were just outside of. Their guard will taunt them, laughing about how easy it was to capture them. Midway through his speech, he chokes and sputters as an arrow has been put through his throat. An observe test at -20, they will hear a barely audible “heh” from somewhere in the shadows. One of the bandits hears this and rushes forward, eager to pacify the attacker. The party hears him say “Oh, by the nine, its just a-OW FUCK WHAT...IT HAS A KNIFE WH-”. Two bandits rush forward, weapons drawn into the darkness. The party sees a flash of white light illuminate for a moment; a restoration or alteration test (or -20 willpower test) will reveal that this is a Ward spell. The light briefly shows the visage of the caster; a robed figure, flail in one hand. A wet thunk is heard by all, followed by the sound of a body hitting the stone floor. FINAL SECTION PENDING SARAH’S BULLSHIT While the three totally unknown “heroes” are mopping up the bandits, a chicken approaches the cage. its eyes are glowing, and it has a dagger in its beak. It drops the dagger, lifts up a wing and pulls out a lockpick, flutters up to the lock and picks it with surprising ease. The party is free, and the three strangers have killed every last bandit. The robe figure remarks “ugh, i hate bandits”. Suddenly, another robed figure appears; a tall Dunmer with long white hair. In a skeletor voice he says “You’ve foiled my plans for the last time, Elmlock!” And summons Four Dremora Lords, then disappears. Big fight with the whole crew happens. Afterwards, introductions are made; the three strangers are Aysel Elmlock, Verick, and Aerlith Mori, known locally as The Grapevine. Good spot for the session to end if enough time has passed. If not, FUCK Allow roleplaying to happen as the party makes its way to Skingrad. Remind aerlith to present the fast travel option to the party, and go from there. Will post dimensional shortcut path separately.
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