#orv analysis

[mhaynoot]

orv is about killing the pessimistic nihilist in you saying you are only loved because you're useful, that your beloved people know only the outer wall you present to the world and would never love the little monster you've hidden inside your very core. it's about breaking that wall, crumbling it and rebuilding your story, rewriting it and knowing you are loved because you are you, every percent of you.

#orv #orv spoiler #orv analysis #guess who got hit by the orv feels at 3 in the morning

[auuwmk]

"Kdj is so cool and awesome and smart!!!!" HAH! That's what he wants you to think. This was probably the intended effect he was going for as someone who is SO obsessed with the way he's perceived.

He wants to be perceived as someone who's tough and shouldn't be messed with. He definitely doesn't want people to know about his ugly flaws.

Surprise, surprise! The guy with the emotional intelligence of a cookie hates emotional vulnerability cuz that will reveal his more 'less likeable' and his embarrassing and childish side!

I bet 2 cents that if you ask him anything related to his personal goals or feelings, he will either give a really vague and selective answer or just outright dismiss it

#aren't we all though? #the kdj fragment in me is resonating #orv #omniscient reader's viewpoint #orv spoilers #kim dokja #orv analysis #mee yaps

[currently-not-studying]

What I came to appreciate about KDJ narration is how well it mirrors the experience of constant dissociation. The physical aspect is there but it's second to the narration in his head, to his plans, to him judging the situation and then acting out his plans. KDJ feels so separated from his body and his emotions (which are also based in the body) and we can only see what he sees - a world of action and thinking but almost no physicality

#orv #omniscient reader novel #omniscient reader's viewpoint #orv kim dokja #omniscient reader analysis #orv analysis #kim dokja

[theofficialuriel]

i just realized all three of them broke into two…someone analyze this for me PLEASE! the dots exist but I can’t connect them

#orv #kim dokja #omniscient reader's viewpoint #omniscient reader #yoo joonghyuk #omniscient reader spoilers #han sooyoung #yoohankim #1863rd round #jongdok #orv analysis #49 51

[runningoncaffeine]

I’m just gonna go on a fucking rant, might make zero sense but I have to get this out of my system.

Fourth wall right….let’s all gather and sit around, head bowed, hands under our chins, deep in thought about this shit right here

KDJ says that the Fourth wall makes it so that he perceives reality as separate from fiction of stuff that was mostly related to TWSA.

Yeah, makes sense.

Just think of this…we know that 4thwall protects him from the effects of ‘fiction’, grounding him in ‘reality’ and helping him make calm, sound, rational decisions. We also know that the Wall shakes and thins when faced with said ‘reality’

Now, here’s another thing we know about Dokja—he likes to see everything through a reader’s eyes, viewpoint if you will

One of the first things we find about him interacting with others is with Sangah and he immediately puts her into a story and gives her a role. He’s been doing this shit since before the scenarios and the apocalypse and all. So we can assume that he’s done this like almost all his life, being the ‘reader’ and seeing others essentially as characters—until they interact with his little bubble.

As it would happen, the people who interact with him and his bubble aren’t exactly very welcoming or nice most times but that aside, here’s what I’m rambling about

If you think about it, the first attributes and skills people get are related to what they were already good at and stuff

So fourth wall is essential a powered up version of KDJ’s dissociative tendencies. It’s a coping mechanism.

Him being a ‘reader’, not intervening in anyone’s story, only reading and forming opinions

Because the last time he played a major role and defeated the villain, the consequences weren’t pretty and he didn’t get the happy ending. Even after his mother ‘reread’ it to him, the ending wasn’t one he liked

The pre-apocalypse version of 4thwall (and his generally tragic life) kept him from being anything more than a ‘reader’ to other people’s lives

But this is not going to be satisfying at all —we know it, Dokja knows it, 4thwall knows it—Dokja craves to be something more than a ‘reader’

But his life is realism, he prefers fantasy novels. His story is a bore compared to the other ones he sees

And “it’s not too bad, being a reader”

Can’t we say that the 4th wall was protecting him from reality than fiction? In his mind, he’s always seen life as stories, whatever genre they were, they were always stories and the fourth wall kept them as stories….

*sighs heavily* yeah, this isn’t going out of my head anytime soon…just Dokja and his trauma….excellent…

#orv #orv analysis #orv rant #fourth wall #kim dokja #omniscient readers viewpoint #woke up with this in my head #did not help with my depression #dokja you lovely soul #why do I have so many feels about this little bastard?? #whyyy??? #kim dokjaaaaa #let’s all cry rivers and stare into voids as we stew in our orv feels

[estrella-zoe39]

having orv thoughts. specifically the kim namwoon and kim dokja parallel thoughts. so im deciding to put this anaylsis of them i made a while ago here on tumblr dot com because,,,, god they kill me. this very obviously contains spoilers for like, a good latter chunk of the novel so i would only read this if you have like read the whole book or atleast uptil chapter 480 because upon reading that ONE line, i broke and made this.

enjoy!

THEY FINALLY ACKNOWLEDGED IT IM SO PROUD

Analysis: The reason KDJ hates KNW so much is because he sees parts of himself in KNW that he hates. The part in which they both believe themselves to be "evil". The part in which they both delude themselves. And he hates KNW even more because in TWoS, KNW realises this and works on it.

Often in media, most people tend to hate characters that in essence, are most like them. The reason half the playerbase hates Mishima in P5 is because they see themselves in him. The weak, cowardly, attention seeking, and annoying part of themselves relates to Mishima. They don't like that about themselves because those aren't traits to be proud of. And oftentimes, people escape to medias like books and games to escape reality, not to be confronted by it.

KDJ once saw a part of KNW that admitted that he was a person deluded by a false sense of justice to escape the real world. A boy who had to grow faster than everyone else. A boy living in delusions to escape the real world. It hit KDJ, hard. He saw himself. He saw the ugliest traits of himself laid bare on the table. He hated it. So, he hated KNW too. He called KNW an unforgivable "character" because he knew deep down, it was what he hated most about himself.

Progressing through these scenarios though, KDJ realized. He realized his own delusions, his own pain. He realized he too grew a bit faster than the world around him. And confronting KNW was the last nail in the coffin. To admit that he is like KNW. To admit he went through that pain like KNW did. To admit KNW went through the same pain he did. And that's why he hated him, because while escaping reality, he saw a boy just like him in reality, and hated him because he IS that reality KDJ so desperately needed to escape from. KDJ growing and admitting they're the most alike is BEAUTIFUL and a scene I've wanted to see for so long.

Edit: I failed to mention this, yet, KDJ was and still is also so terribly jealous of KNW. KNW, had everything KDJ wanted at the time, which is YJH. To be in a world in which KDJ can have someone to rely on. KNW had that, with YJH, LJH, and Uriel. Yet, KDJ didn't. KDJ had to be in this ugly, disgusting world that he hated because no one around him cared for him. The only thing that could possibly care for KDJ was YJH, and when he saw KNW be greeted with open arms. He was jealous. He was jealous someone so much like him could get love from who KDJ needed it the most from.

#orv #orv spoilers #omniscient reader's viewpoint #omniscient reader spoilers #kim dokja #kim namwoon #kdj #orv kdj #orv analysis

[just-a-fragment]

It's jung heewon's birthday and gosh her character arc still hits hard even after finishing the novel for almost a year now.

She was a "nameless background character" and when she was introduced it's implied she was a victim of one of the most cruel crimes someone can commit to another person(and yet its something that happens to most women).

In this scene, KDJ's commentary states that its a "cliche" or not an unexpected development that happens to "nameless" characters whenever a story has societal collapse. So it's very refreshing that not only did she turn out to be such an important character, but when she gained one of the more powerful attack skills, she was able to enact her vengeance and carry this righteous catharsis throughout the novel. But it doesn't stop there!

The skill actually contains a caveat. She wasn't the one who decided which "evil" is deserving of being killed. She has to constantly answer to a system that has to unanimously "vote" if the skill should be used or not. So while she's extremely powerful, there were times where she wasn't able to defend herself just because the system of good decided that her enemy wasn't worthy of punishment.

Except who are these constellations to decide if someone was worthy or not, especially when, aside from delighting in these spectacles, they weren't the ones affected by such grievances. She has seen how the so-called "good" abandoned her and her companions in vital times, that's why it was so satisfying when she finally gained full autonomy to enact her own judgement. She saw that the system doesn't actually adhere to morality but to an audience, to authorities who never cared for their own well-being in the first place. The best part about this arc is not just how her skill evolved from adhering to a shaky yet rigid parameter to the intrinsic desire to protect the ones you love but how it doesn't abhor the way she handled her trauma! It was never implied that the rage she felt was cruel.

Her story arc is such a kind fate that most authors rarely consider for characters who suffered the same as her. It's established early on that aside from being one of the most powerful characters, she's also funny! she's very caring to the kids, she mentors jihye, she's very loyal to kimcom. She has one of the more consistent moral codes in the novel, she's justice personified. It's what makes her character arc so satisfying, her trauma never retracted any of this, because that's always been who she is.

Her character arc could've just been dissecting her trauma around men, but it's also how it's incredibly hard to maintain your sense of justice/sense of self under an oppressive system. How even the most capable people are held back.

She's not reduced to some brooding/tsundere combat side character, who not only overly relies on the male mc but experiences more trauma to further male mc / other male character developments, which unfortunately happens to characters that have the same fate as her.

Like she's incredibly loyal to dokja but she questions his decisions, she doesn't praise him as a god that goes through with all of his plans just because he saved her, Because she doesn't owe him anything and both of them know this! By the end of the novel she was the one who felt remorse, but her loyalty is still there.

Same thing can be said with Hyunsung who was consistently willing to be a tool for her catharsis, for her righteous anger, and this might be a controversial opinion, but I actually kinda liked that they broke up! In the brief/rare times we get their perspective, yeah we can see that they actually do care/love each other, we can't deny that their love story was born from the apocalypse. It was never confirmed but I wouldn't ignore the possibility that to some constellations, their relationship was a spectacle, people were supporting them, or egging them on(I mean we even see how HSY placed a bet on them)

It's a very refreshing or even realistic take to these kinds of storylines, yes Hyunsung helped her when she was broken, yes he helped her with her trauma, yes they loved each other. But the implication that Heewon, someone who was introduced as a person whose agency was taken from her, being able to decide that her "knight-in-shining armor" isn't her endgame, and being able to acknowledge that it isn't the right time, but the love existed, the love was still there(which is one of orv's main themes). Like that's such a powerful and important message!

I also like how the side stories addresses the argument on whether or not she deserves the backstory she got like!!! SS already proved that she was written with so much care, so much interiority, so much agency, so much love. I wish I could write more(even though this post is already long lol) but I haven't read the side stories.

So yeah HAPPY BIRTHDAY JUNG HEEWON WOMAN OF ALL TIME.

#orv #orv spoilers #HAPPY BIRTHDAY JUNG HEEWON #orv analysis #jung heewon #jhw #omniscient reader's viewpoint

[purrfectlycontent]

an analysis on the orv volume 3 novel cover because i may have gone a bit insane:

the first point i'll make is that han sooyoung is wearing her white coat, which only her avatar in the 1,863rd turn obtained after completing the 95th scenario. this represents her entire person— the “plagiarist” han sooyoung and the “author” han sooyoung. similarly, yoo joonghyuk has a scar on his left eye, which is where secretive plotter’s scar is positioned as well. this is also a representation of his person, showing that he is not separated from his other regression turns and is instead a culmination of them.

yoo joonghyuk’s central position indicates his role as the “protagonist”. he seems to be almost completely restrained by the chains (they entwine his sword as well as his chest), but he is trying to resist them. this is most likely because he is the most involved in the the story, which makes it even more difficult for him to free himself from it to reach his ￭￭.

kim dokja seems to be pulling his phone out of his pocket with his free hand. he only has one chain around his right arm. this indicates his position as the “reader”.

han sooyoung has chains wrapped around both her arms. she is the “author” so she is involved in the story, but still not as much as yoo joonghyuk.

in orv, we’re already told that a watch represents the passage of time relative to each person. yoo joonghyuk doesn’t have a watch near him due to the fact that his time is “paused” since he chooses to regress. conversely, han sooyoung and kim dokja both have watches. kim dokja’s is black (which may be due to the ￭￭ he chooses) while han sooyoung’s is gold and white, similar to the clock behind the three— a nod to her role as the “god” of the world, tls123.

if you look closely at the chains that connect them, you may notice how they intersect.

the ones attached to han sooyoung and yoo joonghyuk come from the same direction. they intersect once, then diverge to wrap around themselves.

kim dokja’s comes from the opposite direction. his chain intersects first han sooyoung’s, then yoo joonghyuk’s.

this could be a reference to their relationship. han sooyoung creates yoo joonghyuk. she then meets kim dokja, who reads her story and becomes companions with yoo joonghyuk. they naturally stray together, but kim dokja inevitably diverges from them in the end since he is a reader.

#my ramblings #i hope this is coherent #do i think i read too much into the chains? yes. yes i do #but i noticed it and it made me sad so i went ahead and said it #orv #omniscient reader's viewpoint #kim dokja #yoo joonghyuk #han sooyoung #yoohankim #orv analysis

[irlkdj]

Doksoo Analysis: Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint [SPOILERS]

I’d like to talk about the relationship between Kim Dokja and Han Sooyoung and how I perceive it. At its core, I think their story portrays that when we really love someone—truly and fully—we are willing to give up our own happiness to ensure theirs. This is something we see from both Sooyoung and Dokja. Han Sooyoung may seem selfish at times, especially at the beginning of the novel, but that’s because we did not yet know at the time that she gave up each of her nights and slept away her days to save Kim Dokja. We see Kim Dokja constantly throwing his life away because he loves his companions—something he is often berated for. So yes, the two of them are the same in this aspect: I love you, and I will destroy anything that gets in the way of your path to happiness. I will uproot the world and empty oceans; I will shoot down the sun and grab the moon to give to you, so long as you are safe and happy. Kim Dokja and Han Sooyoung are not perfect people. And I think they see the faults in one another, and love even those pieces of themselves that the other hates. Han Sooyoung who hated Kim Dokja so much for sacrificing himself over and over again—and yet she ended up doing the same thing for him. Her memories, her time, her youth. She spent all that time ensuring the happiness of a little boy who thought he couldn’t be happy. We see in the epilogue that Han Sooyoung truly loves every part of Kim Dokja as she races after him in that train station. She reflects on his negative and positive traits positively:

“That was the exact same face of Kim Dokja she remembered.

The man who came to her 1863rd regression turn. The man who she wanted to see again. The detestable man with his own brand of ass-kissing. The man who lied really easily. The man who she enjoyed being around, since they could lie about something together and snicker among themselves.

‘----‘

The man, who didn't remember her.”

When Han Sooyoung even considers the possibility that Kim Dokja could really, truly be gone, she thought: “That was the sound of someone only living in their past finally letting go of that very past. Right at that moment, Han Sooyoung was overcome by the bizarre guilt of corruption, of betrayal.” Her regret of not being able to save him properly. All of her efforts wasted. But they weren’t wasted, not to Kim Dokja, who got to experience love, joy, friendship, and family because of Han Sooyoung. She created a world in which he could be happy. She crafted a universe where Kim Dokja could be loved just by being.. Kim Dokja. So they’re really in this constant loop. Han Sooyoung sacrifices herself to save Kim Dokja, Kim Dokja sacrifices himself to save the world she created. And then she tries everything in her power to get him back. And Kim Dokja continues to love that story she created for him:

“Not being able to comment did bum me out. I wanted to let Han Sooyoung know of my emotions one more time. To tell her that I could only come this far because of the story you gave me, that I loved your story more than anyone in this world.” 

Kim Dokja loved her story. But people are stories too. Friends, families, lovers, strangers. We’re all stories in the end. Han Sooyoung and Kim Dokja. She wrote the story. He read it. They created a world together. And in the end, they tore it all down to ensure the happiness of those they loved. Because what is the point of such a world if Han Sooyoung cannot turn to her left and tease Kim Dokja. What is the point of such a world if Kim Dokja cannot take another joyride with Han Sooyoung, and get made fun of for screaming “I am the protagonist!” 

I’ll leave with this. The last thing Han Sooyoung wished to do before her memories faded was to see Kim Dokja. Just to /see/ him. Can you grasp the weight of this action? 

“Kim Dokja felt that sensation of touch on his shoulder and looked behind him.

However, the incoming waves of commuters heading to work swept him up, and he got pushed into the subway, instead.”

Just one last touch. One last glance. One last time—can I please see him again? Can I please see the man that I am about to ruin the world for? Can I please see that he is whole? That he is real? That he isn’t words behind a screen? I think this moment really displays just how much Han Sooyoung really.. loved Kim Dokja. Wholeheartedly and unapologetically. Just seeing him one more time before disaster struck, and knowing all that was about to ensue: that was her moment. The moment that made it all worth it. This man. This pathetic man. I will destroy the world for you. And I will not apologize for it. So don’t you ever apologize for existing, and don’t you ever forget how loved you are. 

#orv #orv novel #orv omniscient reader's view point #kim dokja #omniscient reader's viewpoint #han sooyoung #irlkdj #orv analysis #doksoo

[bidokja]

I was joking a while back that the actor they have playing KDJ for the orv movie was too handsome for him and a friend who's read orv was like "KDJ is actually secretly attractive!!" And I just felt my soul leave my body right then

SIGHS...

Okay. Buckle in. I'm gonna finally actually address and explain and theorize about this whole...thing.

I'm not gonna cite any exact chapters cause it's like 11:30 and I've got an 8 hour drive in the morning but I'll at least make an approximate reference to where certain things are mentioned. Also, this post is just my personal interpretation for a good bit of it, but it's an interpretation I feel very solid about, so do with that what you will. Moving on to the meat of things:

There is one (1) instance in the web novel that I know of which describes specific features of Kim Dokja (especially ones other people notice). This takes place when members of KimCom are trying to make Kim Dokja presentable to give his speech at the Industrial Complex (after it's been plopped down on Earth). This is when they start really paying attention and focusing on Kim Dokja's appearance since they're putting makeup on him; I still don't think they can interpret his whole face, but they can accurately pick out and retain more features than usual. If I remember correctly they reference him having long eyelashes, smooth skin, and soft hair. These features can be viewed as (stereotypically) attractive.

Certain parts of the fandom have taken this scene and run with it at a very surface level, without realizing (or without acknowledging at the very least) that this scene is not about how Kim Dokja looks. This is, in part, due to not realizing or acknowledging why Kim Dokja's face is "censored" in the first place, and what that censoring actually means. I think it's also possible that some people are assuming the censorship works like a physical phenomena rather than an altered perception.

I'll address that last point first. The censorship of Kim Dokja's features is not something as simple as a physical phenomena. It's not a bar or scribble or mosaic over his face. If that were true it'd be very obvious to anyone looking at him that his face is hidden. But his face is not hidden to people. They can look at him and see a face. If they concentrate on his eyes, they can see where he's looking. They know when he's frowning or grinning. They see a face loud and clear. But what face are they seeing? Because it's not really his, whatever they're seeing.

No one quite agrees on what he really looks like. And if they try and think about what he looks like, they can't recall. Or if they do, it's vague, or different each time. We notice these little details throughout the series. Basically, Kim Dokja's face is cognitively obscured. Something - likely the Fourth Wall, though I can't recall if this is ever stated outright - is interfering with everyone's ability to perceive him properly. This culminated in him feeling off to others; and since they don't even realize this is happening, they surmise that he is "ugly."

Moving on to the other point about what the censorship means: To be blunt, the censorship of his face is an allegory for his disconnect from the "story" (aka: real life, and the real people at his side). The lifting - however slight - of this censorship represents him becoming more and more a part of the "story" (aka: less disconnected from the life he is living and the people at his side). The censorship's existence and lifting can represent other things - like dissociation or depersonalization or, if you want to get really meta, the fact that he is all of our faces at once - but that's how I'd sum up the main premise of it. (The Fourth Wall is a larger part of the dissociation allegory, but that's for another post).

So you see, them noticing his individual features isn't about the features. It's not about the features! It doesn't matter at all which features got listed. Because they could describe any features whatsoever and it would not change the entire point of the scene. Because the point isn't what he looks like. The point is that they can truly and clearly see these features. For the first time. They are seeing parts of him for the first time. Re-read that sentence multiple times, literally and metaphorically. What does it mean to see someone as they are?

This is an extremely significant turning point dressed up as a dress-up scene.

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P.S. / Additionally, I'm of the opinion that Kim Dokja is not handsome, and he is not ugly. He is not pretty, and he is not ghastly. Not attractive, nor unattractive. Kim Dokja isn't any of these things. More importantly, Kim Dokja can't be any of these things. The entire point of Kim Dokja is that you cannot pick him out of a crowd; he is the crowd. He's a reader. He's the reader. Why does he need to be handsome? Why must he be pretty? Why is him being attractive necessary or relevant? He doesn't, he doesn't, it's not. He is someone deeply deeply loved and irreplaceable to those around him, and someone who cannot even begin to recognize or accept that unless it's through a love letter masquerading as a story he can read. He is the crowd, a reader, the reader. He's you, he's me. He's every single one of us.

#orv #orv analysis #orv meta #orv spoilers #mine #ask #there's also the meta that he is described with these (stereotypically) pretty features as they are about to try and 'sell' him to a crowd #which feels to me like a very pointed way to convey how 'beauty' is commodified. how audiences like 'attractive' characters more #note: made some edits to add in a couple of sentences my brain forgot in the moment so make sure u reblogged those if u do #tag edits for further commentary that isnt strictly relevant to the point i was making: #do i think that this face censorship was executed as well as it could have been? nah. #not that it was like. done Badly. it's followed through to a certain point. its established enough for me to make this post at least. #but i do think it is the one thing in the web novel that SS didn't capitalize on. #like. they still stuck the landing but it was not as picture perfect of an execution as the rest of the metaphorical stuff in orv #also. this (not the face censorship specifically but the 'hes just some guy' point of it all) is one of the big reasons i think that- #-visual adaptions of orv can never quite work. they can do the best that they can with that medium but a lot of nuance is lost- #-simply by virtue of it being a visual medium #i personally think the only way a visual medium could work would be one where they commit to the power move of not showing kdj's face #(until a certain point (of view) that is) #his face is always facing away or out of frame or hidden by someone or something else in the way #commit to the fucking allegory or simply perish

[localapparently]

friendship this platonic love that romantic love this secret third thing that, I don't think any words and phrases has anything to describe the amount of love the people in orv feel for each other. I don't think it's wrong to use these words, they're right, and I use these words so people will have some idea of what I'm saying when I'm on a ramble, but I don't fucking KNOW how to properly show what it is that they have.

Like the shit i feel through the screen when I read orv just feels so overwhelming to a sickening degree (and not in a bad way) that words cant describe it, much less a one or two word emotion. It's this crushing ball that's several times the size of the earth, it's a flame in a snowstorm shielded by rough and cold hands trying to protect it so fucking bad, it's so full of confusion, loss, yearning, wanting to believe and hope and pray in someone, chucking that someone into a fucking hurricane. I Don't. Know.

Its a mess, it comes straight from the heart right down to their bones and blood. They don't know what to do with it, they just want each other to find happiness and soak and submerge in that happiness forever. It's a tsunami that would break through so many walls and tear through so many cities, or like maybe it's a tornado that would rip off the layers of the earth until we reach its core. and then some other times it's a waterfall and then Boom the water is so much water it bores straight into the ground through the whole planet and comes back around enough to fill up the whole pacific ocean. But then they feel ALL of this. And then they look at their own, two, weak hands, and all those emotions are fucking clogged up in their chest throat and brains and they don't know where it should go.

And I don't know where mine should go, because I fucking love this story so much, and everything it stands for about love and how it eats and eats and eats away at you, but it lifts you up so high you feel like you could do anything, save the world or whatever shit. Oh my god. Fuck. FUCK YOU KIM DOKJA. Sincerely from the bottom of my heart I fucking hate you. I love you.

#Orv #Orv ramble #Orv analysis #I am going through it so hard I haven't done anything productive in weeks except for orv related things #Sitting and staring at a wall #Kimcom #Kdjc #Kim dokja #Kdj

[mhaynoot]

unironically i think one of my fav joongdok moments is yjh bleeding and dying as he's carried on anna croft's back and telling her he has no intentions of dying and regressing. its an incredibly doomed situation, he literally wrecked his whole body to kill indra. to the point where if anna croft hadn't rescued him, they both know he would have been dead already.

the woman, the prohpet, who betrayed him in the last round had now just rescued him from certain death but now they're both on the precipice of dying again as they get chased by the rest of the countless stars.

she says, "looks like we'll have to live together in the 4th turn."

but yjh does not prepare to die.

"because..."

in this round, there is a fake prophet, who had lied to yjh over and over again, who had betrayed him by almost abandoning their worldline for another, who had used his tragedy and story to fuel his own. when you only look at it like this, what made him so different to anna croft? from the constellations yjh hates?

this is the man yjh had almost gotten the traitor story for in an ironic twist on what happened between him and anna croft. yjh does not want kdj to die. kdj is the same with him.

and almost like a miracle,

– Yoo Joonghyuk, you stupid bastard!!

Yoo Joonghyuk heard the loud yelling from the one standing at the forefront of that army and spoke up. "… Because I have allies in this turn who won't betray me."

#kdj and anna croft and the dichotomy of lies and prophecy and betrayal #anna croft who would sacrifice one for the world and kdj who would sacrifice the world for one #joongdok #orv analysis #orv spoiler

[caorl]

uhh so..i started reading the book hsy talks about (barthes' mourning diary) and i'm going insane. it's a collection of notes the author started to write the day after his mother died. in short, it's a book about processing grief through writing. and... is this not what hsy have been doing during the years kdj has been in coma

i'm not even halfway through the book so i'm sure i'm gonna find even more parallels but- ugh. orv man. unbelievable. how can every single tiny thing in orv be crafted with so much care and love. how am i supposed to get over it

#cursing at the skies DAMN YOU ORV.....DAMN YOUUUU...BEAUTIFUL STORY..... #hsy is INSANE to reccomend thiss to her students so they can analys webnovels #dealing w my own grief about my mom this bookjust punched in the guts multiple times #ok usual tagging cause if i suffer everyone has to suffer too #orv posting #orv spoilers #orv analysis #hankim #orv meta #orv hsy #doksoo

[currently-not-studying]

Can I scream about something?

Yoo Joonghyuk regressing for the first time to find answers first and meet his sponsor second. A man driven by curiosity and a wish to understand his life but also wanting to know his benefactor. And then our YJH of the 1865th turn choosing to go on another journey to find his reader, his heart, his everything to ask him "what now? What should I do know? You know me the best, help me" and those questions feel important but feel second to the first goal: meeting Kim Dokja again.

Just the shift of priorities from: 1. I want to know myself 2. I want to meet this person who watched over me to 1. I want to see that fool again 2. I want to find my purpose with him in this peaceful world

#omniscient reader novel #omniscient reader's viewpoint #orv #orv kim dokja #kim dokja #omniscient reader analysis #orv analysis #ari speaks #orv yoo joonghyuk #yoo joonghyuk

[auuwmk]

Methinks the disaster of floods arc could be a parallel to od reveal.....

"This child is the last disaster of the fifth scenario."

— Chapter 95

The 41st Shin Yoosung who was a child grew up to become a monster that would destroy earth in other worldlines after wandering for centuries.

"M-monster…"

The child was opening his mouth while looking at me.

"That's right, I'm a monster."

My appearance was reflected on the boy's irises.

⸢That monster was this child's future.⸥

— Chapter 514

The 15 year old Kim Dokja who became the oldest dream that cluelessly ruined worlds and caused suffering who would also grow up to become a monster.

Both of them were children who were hurt and ended up causing mass destruction in many worldlines.

The difference being SYS was saved by KDJ and was forgiven and taken care of. While KDJ immediately tried to kill the little version of himself without mercy.

He easily forgave her even after everything she had done because the world was so cruel to her. His situation is sooo similar to hers yet when he met od, he simply couldn't forgive him.

In the end, the 999th outer gods and sp were the ones who forgave him and took care of him.

#there's more i want to say to this but I'm not exactly a wordsmith #eueueuueueueuuueue.. #orv #omniscient reader's viewpoint #orv spoilers #kim dokja #shin yoosung #orv analysis #mee yaps

[ophiephobia]

Been thinking about this iconic image again and have decided to make my English teacher proud by reading into it way too much. Apologies for the insane amounts of abbreviated names. Also spoiler warning.

One thing I love about this image is that Kdj isn’t actually looking at Yjh- he’s looking sort of past him, but Yjh is looking exactly at Kdj and is focused on him. Kdj has a blade coming at him and he’s still focused on something else still has a bigger goal outside of life/death or Yjh. But Yjh is focused entirely on Kdj because Kdj is essentially everything to Yjh: his creator (at least the one who made him real), the man who gave him the power that made him so strong, the man who condemned him to a torturous cycle, and the man who showed him a different world and gave him hope. But to Kdj, at least at the start, yjh is a character and one of many (even if he is the most important one to Kdj).

I feel like because in the 2nd regression Yjh had Lsh to love and be devoted to many people act like Yjh has so many options and priorities outside of Kdj, and because Kdj loved TWSA and therefore Yjh (and is also kind of a loser) he is treated like the more devoted and desperate one of the pair. But oftentimes Kdj doesn’t stop to consider how Yjh feels about him unless it’s to get something out of him. Like maybe I misinterpreted the scene but he doesn’t really think about how traumatic it might be for yjh to kill the person who gave him hope or have them be lost without a clear sign of returning. Whenever Kdj does consider Yjh’s feelings it has this tone of still viewing Yjh as a character, like when he was asking of Yjh would be okay with killing Lsh.

Elaborating on having people outside of each other- Yjh has people he knows and Ljh looks up to him, but for the most part he alienates others. Dokja has all of Kimcom, like hsy and ysh and lsh and lhs and hjw and lgy and biyoo etc etc while to yjh Dokja is his sole companion. These are all part of my list of reasons why I don’t love the heavy woobification of Dokja by much of the fandom because he *isn’t* entirely whipped even if he does care about Yjh because often he just views him as a means to an end. The relationship from Yjh to Kdj is one I believe can’t even be described as love because Kdj is basically everything to Yjh (sole reader, closest companion, greatest foe, dreamer of the world, etc) whether he knows it or not. Idk I don’t really know how to end this and it got off topic but yeah. The sillies.

TLDR: kdj has goals and thoughts and plans always and doesn’t always see yjh for what he is (more than a character) while yjh truly tries to understand kdj.

#orv #kim dokja #omniscient reader #orv spoilers #orv analysis #yoo joonghyuk #dokjoong #joongdok #entire dissertation I wrote because I got carried away