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Is the 90′s anime really the best or that’s just subjective??

So a few weeks back I saw this post saying the 90′s anime is the best which is their opinion. But it got me thinking about somethings and I just wanted to write my own post just to counterargue each point they said with my opinion. So this combination of things I have said before with some new things.

This is long as fuck...

1. The Pacing -I'm sorry but in my opinion the 90's anime pacing is not good on the terms on plot to filler ratio. Which majority of the season is fillers to the point they have to cram in plot before the season finale. To the point it’s so much filler that it really no build up and by time you get to the pay off it’s flat because you spent so much time on monster of the day to even get to the plot.

Also they are so many Filler Gudies out saying which epsidoe is filler and which epsisode is plot.

1.Sailor Moon Classic 46 episodes -31 plot 15 filler

2.Sailor Moon R 43 Episodes - (43 Episodes – With Doom Tree Arc not as Filler :36 plot 7 filler ,With Doom Tree Arc considered as filler: 23 Plot and 20 filler )

3.Sailor Moon S 39 Episodes - 29 plot 10 filler

4.Sailor Moon SuperS 38 episodes -23 plot 15 filler

5.Sailor Moon StarS 34 episodes 25 plot 9 Filler

So in total that’s 200 Episodes =144 Plot 56 Filler (but you Count Doom tree arc as filler it’s 131 plot 69 filler )

Grated it was being animated and made the same time the manga was being written( which they also had deadlines as well) but instead becoming something could work hand and hand with the manga and give certain plotlines time to breathe that Naoko couldn't do since she was press for time, they created filler that didn't help move the plot along and the plot just stops. You can have development for your character but also keep the plot moving. Yes we made have learned something about that character but sometimes it's mention once and never mention again . ( Example in Season 4 when we found out can work on cars which is something that was never mentioned in the first three seasons and then never mentioned again). Once it was episodes dealing with the plot they crammed like a couple acts of plot into one episode.

Example

Season 1

Episode 34 is Act 6 -7 and the end of 8 and the beginning of 9

Episode 33 is the end of Act 7 and the Beginning of Act 8

Episode 35 is Act 9

Episode 36 is Act 11

Episodes 33 -36 is essentially acts 6-9 and 11 cram into four episodes.

Episode 44 is Act 10

I had to throw that with Episode 44 in how we don’t even get full Moon Kingdom backstory on how it actually fell until before the final battle.

It’s even more weirder is this

Act 11 Reunion - Endymion 12/6/1992

Episode 36 Usagi’s Confusion: Is Tuxedo Mask Evil? 12/12/1992

(Got the dates from Sailor Moon Chronology which is here.)

Endymion Act drops on Dec 6th and the next week we got our first episode of Mamo being Evil Endymion..

But we totally skip Act 10 until the last episode before the two episode season finale like I mentioned…

I have to specially talk about Episode 34.

Putting Usagi finding out Mamo is Mask ( End of Act 6), Mamo find out Usagi is Moon ( Act 4), Mamo telling Usagi about his past ( Act 7), Mamo taking a stab for Usagi ( end of 8) and finding out Usagi is the Moon Princess ( beginning of 9) in Episode 34,

Episode 125 is Acts 34-38,

The last 6 episodes of Supers (161-166) being still the first half of Dream arc ( Acts 39-43)

Yes the manga is fast as hell since Naoko was being rushed in which Crystal/Eternal also suffers this because it's going one to one ratio with the manga. PGSM in my opinion have the best pacing because the filler and plot works hand and hand with each other. The plot doesn't go into a stand still if it's a episode that wants to explore a certain character more. The plot is still moving along with getting character development of a character.

Manga pacing being too fast to let things breathe meanwhile the 90′s anime has so many episodes worth of filler that they have to cram like so much plot in one episode.

People can say all they want when it comes to character development but when it comes to plot pacing in the 90′s anime….

The Manga is more Plot Driven which is nothing wrong with that. In which sometimes the Character Development becomes interconnected with the plot. Like if you forget this plot point you may lose some character development ( case in point the Golden Crystal being apart of Mamo’s character development) In which sometimes Yes with so much shit going on with the plot the characters do get lost in the shuffle.

Also that’s the reason the side stories are important becasue you do get that Character development and the girls have time to be silly in those stores. which should have been adapted into crystal to help with the development)

So I see it like this

The Manga- Fast paced but consistent More Plot Driven

90’s anime- Slow paced but not consistent More Character Driven

PGSM - Nice Pace Consistent A Balance of Plot and Character

Also the 90's anime becomes very repetitive to the point that you can make a list of things that will probably happen in a episodes that will probably happen in every episode unless mid season episode where some major plot is about to dropped which a sub-villain is about to be killed or redeemed or the last 5-8 episodes that make up the season finale.

Do a recap of what todays episode is going to be with usually Usagi or Luna doing the voiceover.

The first season episodes start with Usagi introducing herself to the audience (”Hi My name is Usagi Tuskino ”)

Sub-villain talks the big bad about mission to find the person with the special item of that season ( rainbow crystal, energy ,pure crystal, dream mirror, star seed) The big bad tells the sub-villain not to fail the mission and in which they say they will not. They leave and may say something the Sailor Moon and Senshi keep messing up their plans. If it’s a group a sub-villains ,the other sub-villains who haven’t had a mission yet may come out and taunt the sub-villain who is currently handling the missions and tell them they could do better. The sub-villain sets Naru I mean the victims to be it’s target. The sub-villain goes out in normal clothes to look for their target. Girls are either in school, at the crown or shrine or planning do an activity, study or discussing senshi business to talk about the new enemy. Usagi is either eating, reading manga or not listening, Rei say some mean shit to Usagi, Usagi cries and call Rei mean ,Ami talks about they need to study, Mina is fangirling and scheming about a idol, Makoto says something about that guy being her senpai or about food or plants. Luna tells usagi she needs to be a better leader or do better with her study habits. Usagi and Chibiusa get into it dealing with Mamoru. *insert which Senshi is being focus on which count as “character development”* Bonus points if the victims of day interacts with that senshi and has a particular skill set of dream they want to pursue and the senshi talks to them about it. ( like want to write a book, become a artist, designer, fix a car etc.) Sub-villain disguise themselves in the activity of day( school fair, cherry blossom festival, concert, dance, park) and meets Naru I mean the victim of the day for the first time. *15 mins later* Sub-villain finds Naru I mean their victim again and attack which they pass out after the sub-villain takes what they needed ( insert Energy, Rainbow Crystal of the Seven Great Youma, Pure Heart Crystal, Dream Mirror, Star Seed) A senshi hear the scream and transforms. They do their speech’s to the sub-villain The sub-villiain laugh at them and call their youma out. Usually the sub-villain dips right here or wait until their youma is defeated to dip. Their Youma start attacking the senshi. Usagi ,Chibiusa or Usagi and Chibiusa runs with her or their heads cut off. The other senshi throw their attacks which is not effective.... Somehow Usagi about to get attack by the youma and a rose appears on screen. Mamoru comes out of nowhere ( when some episodes he is not even in them to that point) saves Usagi ,Chibiusa and the senshi, throws a rose and say a speech. One may throw another attack to weaken the youma.

* Depending of what Senshi is being featured they maybe the one to throw the attack to show their new power and that they believe themselves for a few mins.

* Bonus points it Mina and Makoto have to share a power up episode together because Ami and Rei already got their single episode focusing on them and because they are running out of episodes before the finale Mina/Makoto have to share.

Mamoru or one of the senshi say “ Now Sailor Moon!” Usagi uses whatever rod she have that season with the attack sequence. The youma screams, ( may say refresh) turns to dust and dies. The sub-villain getting defeated again, say something to the Senshi ( Like” This is not the last time you see me Sailor Senshi!” and dips if they haven’t before. The Naru I mean the victim of the day gets whatever the subvillain wanted back and starts to wake up. They either see Sailor Moon or the Senshi or see whatever senshi they was interacting with in that episode. Either their senshi or civilian form. The Usagi and the girls are back in their regular wear. The senshi who is focus for that episode learns something that will forget next episode or will be never mention again. Rei says another mean thing to Usagi and everyone laughs.

End of episode.

Give or take

In which an episode filler in the 90s was like watching an educational show you watch on PBS with a “lesson” you learn each episode.

Like today’s episode you are going to learn about following your dreams.

Today’s lesson you are going to learn that bullying is not nice and it can hurt people..

Today’s lesson you are going to learn about following your heart to love.

Today’s lesson you are going to learn about teamwork and the power of friendship.

Today’s lesson you are going to learn to be considerate of other people feelings, learning to admit you are wrong and apologized.

Today’s lesson you learn about heartbreak and how you friends tell you that the boy you love have his reasons to break up with you and you should still trust him………

Which the next week they forget about that lesson and continue with the same shit they did before that lesson.. Until that lesson is taught again in the next season.

Which makes DiCs inclusion of “Sailor Says” at the end even more iconic since it was on during the wave of Barney… Cause they really did make it educational.

The 90′s anime is more “Character” driven but totally forgets the plot until the last min. The plot gets lost for the the characters but sometimes like I said you need the plot to help farther along the characters.

Like there is nothing wrong with filler if it is used right. Filler can be a wonderful tool to expand certain things like a character or a certain plot more even more.

Like it’s nothing wrong with learning about your characters more if it is used right.

PGSM like I said before did this right and I’m going to use episodes 32- 36 because I think it’s a great example of how PGSM worked.( spoilers)

In 32 you have Mamo coming back which they get together which is pretty huge in the story.

Then you have episodes 33-34 which are kind of filler episodes dealing with Ami and Rei. It’s gives you a moment to breathe ( but not to long) and have major feels about these girls dealing with their parents and making their bond stronger.

Then episode 35 is where the action starts raves back up with Mio and her shit ,Zoi and Mina teams up and that Usa/Mamo plus Mina vs. Jade/Kun fight at the end.

Then when you get to episode 36 all hell breaks loose gangster style. I totally forgot that it was also the episode they Mina told Rei about her illness.

So 32 you are up the hill then 33-34 you are down for a brief min then you are going back up the hill on 35 and you back on the peak of the hill in 36.

If anyone haven’t watched PGSM please do! It does a lot that the Manga didn’t have a time to do and the 90′s anime failed to do.

That’s why I’m hard on the 90′s anime. The 90′s anime could been an prefect tool to expand certain things that Naoko couldn’t get to if they worked hand and hand like I said earlier.

Example

She didn’t get a chance to fully talk more about the Moon Kingdom like she did in act 10 so the 90′s anime could spend like two or three episodes talking about the Moon Kingdoms more.

A great example of a balance between Plot and Character is PGSM.

Plot and Character was both present in PGSM which makes it arguably the best version of SM to me.

They work in tandem with each other which is important.

A episode may have been a filler/Character driven episode but you still get some plot.

The plot just don’t stop because you want to focus on this character more in which the 90′s anime did that a lot.

It keep going.

You can structure filler in many ways:

plot filler plot filler

Plot filler filler Plot

Plot Plot filler filler Plot Plot

not

filler filler filler filer Plot filler filler filer filler

Plot Plot Plot filler Plot Plot Plot

If it’s structure really well it can enhance the story not dragging it down which to me some of the filler in the 90’s anime did.

I’m going to take season one as my example.

8 episodes between 1st and 2nd senshi awakens ( Usagi and Ami)

1 episode between 2nd and 3rd senshi awakens ( Ami and Rei)

14 episodes between 3rd and 4th senshi awakens ( Rei and Makoto)

8 episodes between 4th and 5th senshi “awakens” ( since Mina was technically the first one to awaken)

12 episodes of them being a short of a full team but that’s when all hell is finally breaking loose.

The gap between Rei and Mako is to big to me.

Mina gets shafted big time.

I feel like it should have been at least five episodes between each senshi. That way you still have them developing individuality but then you have more time with them being a full team. That’s why I’m glad in the manga the gap is smaller because once you get the girls together they can develop as a team and individuality.

2. The art being darker and edgier-This is up for debate but compare to the manga..

yeah not going to spend to much time on this one cause it's to each own.

Even tho this

is not as imitating or scary as this

But Crystal do have some very pretty shots when they are on it.

Here's a post with a lot of shots showcasing that.

3.Charcter Development - How many times have I talked about this?

Character Development is not just learning about that character and what makes that character tick but does that character grow and learn certain things about themselves.

To me it’s like

This Character Started at one point in the beginning of the show.

Is that person at the same point or the experiences that had during the course of the show changed them and they are at a different point?

If a character is at that same point and doing the same things they did at the start of the show that’s not character development.

I use this definition to defined what Character Development is

Character development describes both how characters grow and change over the course of the novel and the approaches to how the author makes this happen. In other words, the term describes both the conscious effort of the writer and the effect that effort has on the novel or story.

So to me Character Development and Character Growth works hand and hand.

Some people see it as two different things like this

Character development is the process of revealing information about a character to the audience through the story. It’s not “development” in terms of change over time, but rather “development” in terms of defining who that character is.

Character growth refers to the characters within a story changing over time as a result of the experiences they have. When their values, interests, allegiances, or personalities shift from one part of a story to the next, particularly when information that we would have taken for granted as part of character development is changed right before the audience’s eyes, that’s an instance of

But I see it as

Character Development is your foundation aka your concrete slab. You need that in order to built your house

Character Growth is your frame. You built that up after you get your foundation.

You need both in order to build a house.

I can know person dream and fave colors all day but that don’t mean anything if they don’t grow towards that goal.

That it’s one episode where they learn a lesson and then the next it was forgotten.

What do they do when they face adversity? Do they learn from that experience and grow into a better person?

Can you really put that towards the 90′s anime?

Because yes you know about these characters but does the characters grow?

Yeah Sure We learned that Rei wants to be an idol, can sing and write songs, wants to get married ,can ski, when she was a child she had firebird necklace, and cares about others even tho she doesn’t show it but still say some mean shit to Usagi and becomes the hothead bitch.

Yeah We learned that Ami can write songs, play chess, fix cars, wants to be a doctor and is a genius but still didn’t fully break out her shy shell and becomes just the smart one.

Sure We learned about Mako loves to cook, sew, grow plants, and is a hopeless romantic w but she till thinks every dude that pass by looks like her ex-boyfriend and just becomes the muscle of the group.

We learned that Mina wants to be an idol, play volleyball, and starts off being the vet of the group with the most experience and the most on her shoulders but she still is an opportunist and is a groupie of the group.

We learned that Usagi is a crybaby, likes to eat, cook, read manga and draw manga ,wears her heart on her sleeve, but she still never grow out of her jealousy, insecurities, childness and the fact she never grew into the role of Sailor Moon.

Also you can’t have your character slide backwards and be actually worse than they were when they started.

Beginning of the Series

Rei- A aloof girl who people thinks is crazy because she got physic powers but just lonely. Is mean towards Usagi and a little boy crazy. ( helpful)

Ami- Being so in tuned with her studies that shes’ not in tuned with the world but feels lonely and wants friends. ( helpful)

Mako- Love baking, other girly things while being so strong and almost tomboy like that people are afraid of her. (Thinking that one dude she come across looks like her old boyfriend.) ( helpful)

Mina- A good leader and friend but also a opportunist cause she wants to become famous even tho she already is.( helpful)

Usagi- Lazy, crybaby,clumsy, and have low esteem but with a good heart and protect the world by never giving up and destroying villains. Goes from doesn’t want to fight but wants to fight in order to protect her family, friends and the world. ( learning how to pull her weight)

End of the Series

Rei- A total bitch towards Usagi that sometimes have her moments where she try to be a good friend where the plots permits it, boy crazy and a opportunist. ( Useless)

Ami- Being so in tuned with her studies while acting like she while saying some very cruel remarks towards Usagi about her studies habits and thinking she’s not pure when Seiya comes over to her house. . ( Useless)

Mako- Thinking every dude she come across looks like her old boyfriend. ( Useless)

Mina- A groupie who will do anything to become famous. Even make sure the tabloids have her hooking up with all 3 starlights. dumb blonde #2 ( Useless)

Usagi- Lazy, crybaby, jealous, clumsy, childish,obsessive over her boyfriend and have low esteem who thinks she still not good enough for her boyfriend , future daughter, or friends.. Goes from wanting to fight to giving villains magical redos which they don’t deserve cause they try to destroy the world and her. ( Only person in a group project who does the work)

You got to have growth.

You got to change your character.

You can not have your character stay in a box for a whole series and in this case 200 episodes.

Also with the 90’s anime, I notice that a lot of the girls backstory that was actually in the Manga that actually does constitutes as character development for them is actually not in the 90’s anime.

They never talked about Rei estrangement with her father which is the reason why she lives with her grandfather since her mom died that was talked about in Casablanca Memory. Also the fact that she is also good in archery.

They never talked about Mako losing her parents in a plane cash which the reason why she doesn’t like the sound of planes taking off which was talked about in The Melancholy of Makoto. Also the fact that she does taking care of plants that was bought up in Infinity arc.

Yes they do talk about Ami parents divorce but the only becasue they adapt Ami first love which is the only short story they adapted. But they didn’t fully talk about the extent that divorce does to her cause she barely sees her dad since she live with her mom.

Mina has a whole 16 act two volume manga about her in which they freaking changed her backstory even dealing with her Sailor V days and how she really don’t get along with her mom as well. In which the 90's anime completely changed her backstory dealing with her Sailor V days. Granted the Sailor V Manga wasn't finish until after Sailor Moon Manga but this could have been change to have Naoko on broad and give some ideas that was was working on for the manga and put them into the anime.

Also the fact in the 90's anime the only girl we knew their birthday was Usagi which had a two part episode meanwhile in the manga we knew all the girls birthdays and they were mentioned.

Rei's was celebrated twice Usagi and Chibiusa was celebrated and Mako/Mina was celebrated as well in the manga.

Rei's was the only one mentioned in Crystal/Eternal since they haven't done the short stories.

That is also apart of character development which the 90's anime didn't include at all.

Also with Usagi the manga and Crystal does states that she will enter the manga club when she in high school and also she does make a bento box for Mamo when he is sick in Infinity arc. It's a subtle way to show that she draws and can cook.

The 90’s anime just let Usagi stayed that way but never grow. You have 200 episodes and the characters is still the same? Also have the same ideology which still had her friends being killed left and right. Her friends still died even if she didn’t want to fight and didn’t want them to die. They still died. She didn’t want to fight in episode 1 and she still didn’t want to fight in episode 200.

Season 1 Usagi:

Season 3 Usagi

Season 5 Usagi:

Different variations but pretty much the same thing.

I understand wanting to avoid conflict but sometimes you can’t avoid it and do what you can to save the people you love and the planet..

Especially if it’s for the greater good.

The 90's anime had enough time ( which each season being 30 to 40 episodes) to really explore subjects like Usa’s insecurity, jealousy, PTSD, her fears about being alone, her fears about losing her friends and family, her fear of losing Mamoru, her not truly want the mantle of being Sailor Moon and just want to be a normal girl etc. Which she realized and understand these things about herself and the series goes start to mature from these experiences into a better person.

That didn’t happen until the last season but barely .

Like It would be perfectly ok to watch a 200 episode series that each season built on from each season in the terms of Usagi dealing with those things I listed above and by the end of the series she completely matures as a person. Not almost the same shit almost every singe episode and season.

The op may say the only thing Manga/Crystal was good at was being Sailor Moon( which is not true) meanwhile in the 90's anime she never grew into being Sailor Moon...

Usagi Tsukino in every version of Sailor Moon starts out not knowing what she’s doing when she becomes SM which is ok and it’s relatable to the max.

A 14 year old girl finds a cat with a crescent mark who magically talks, gives her magical broach, tell her that she’s a solider, must fight this enemy and look for this princess?

Totally understandable for her to be like “I don’t know what I’m doing! I need help. I just want to go the fuck home!” in which Mamoru and then as the other Senshi awakens come to help her and tell her what she needs to do. The problem is having her like that for almost 200 episodes.

She never grow into the mantle of being Sailor Moon.

It’s a difference being like that for like the first two seasons and making progress to know what you doing to which the end of the Series you know exactly what you are knowing than to be told for the majority of 200 episodes what to do and then somehow knowing what to do in the season finale episodes.

Which some people are perfect ok with that but get upset that Manga/Crystal Usagi knows what the she’s doing by the end of 2nd season which the next 3 seasons is just adding on. To the point last season she exceeds everyone and the the only one who can save the whole damn Universe.

They are more skilled than her and help her grow into her role.

As the Manga, Crystal/Eternal, and PGSM progresses, she’s becomes to really grow into the mantle of Sailor Moon and knowing what she needs to do. In Infinity arc, it’s just a profound but bittersweet moment for a 15 year old girl who is happy with her friends and boyfriend to be like “ Welp I know my happiness is not going to last long because something is always coming but this what I have to endure because it’s my mission. I have to protect this planet and the people who lives in it. I will take whatever happiness I can get and face whatever comes my way even if I suffer for it. This what my life is so I accept it”

Manga/Crystal Usagi wants to be a Normal girl but not ONCE wants to give up the mantle of being Sailor Moon. She understands that in order to protect the people she loves and the planet that she loves, this is her responsibly but she still want to do Normal things as much as she can.

She accepts that she will never have the normal teenage life that other teenagers will but she will make damn sure she will take whatever happiness she can get and hold on to it. Also the fact she have her fellow senshi who also will never have

I mean this girl knew she was a princess in her past life and a Queen with a Kingdom, Marries her current boyfriend who was past lover in her past life with a Kid in her future.

Her life will never be normal but she accepts it but it doesn’t mean she’s not going to have a grip some kind of normalcy to it. Which she does to the best to her ability but she’s doesn’t slack off with her responsibly being a senshi cause she knows the whole world depends on her and friends to defend it.

She accepts she is Sailor Moon which is character development.

She raises to the challenge ,matures and becomes the powerful and sought after Senshi there is..

90′s Usagi never made it that far cause she as still struggling to be a normal teenager.

She still stuck on trying to be normal, never learn to balance it out and actually fully accepts the mantle.

The last half of first season was her keep saying over and over again that she wants to be normal.

She gets her wish after defeating Beryl which everyone losing their memoires.

Luna had to give her memoires back in which the mantle of Sailor Moon was thrusted back on her. She cries at the end , says goodbye to normal life and that’s forgotten..

But it just weird because her wish took their choice to being a senshi or not away from them but now you want them back because you don’t want to be the only one. Yes the wish may have brought everyone back to life but it literary took everyone choice away from them. Like she could have been a normal teenager meanwhile the others could have still have their memories ( if they wanted) and watch after her.

Hell Mamo didn’t get a choice because he loses his Memories again. Which also weird again how Usagi wanted be normal girl , not carry the memories and responsibilities but trying to pull Mamo memoires out of him. Mamo’s own self conscious buck against the Usagi’s wish with Moonlight Knight . MK was pretty much Mamoru self conscious that still wanted to protect Sailor Moon with all his memories intact. That should tell you something.

Almost like passing the buck to them cause you still don’t want to be Sailor Moon. Now this would be ok if only the fact if the other seasons she finally grows into taking the mantle of Sailor Moon and accepts the responsibly but even in the next three seasons it still feels like she don’t want to be Sailor Moon.

She does say this in episode 51 when she loses her transformation.

Usagi: My transformation is gone

Luna: Usagi you came back as a solider but still

Usagi: I know, I still wish I could be a regular girl in junior high.

Luna: You won't be able to use Moon Tiara action or your transformation.

So in a sense the Sliver Crystal knows in her heart that she fully don’t want to be Sailor Moon even tho she want to save her friends. ( which makes sense why 90′s Usagi is really not as Strong with the Silver Crystal compare to her other versions. Also the fact the writers FORGOT about it as the series went.)

It’s like she got the transformation broach from Queen Serenity because her strong sense to save her friends but it still wasn’t a moment for her to be like “ Ok I want to have a normal life but I am Sailor Moon. I have to some way make both work.”

So you don’t really fix the problem of her not wanting to be Sailor Moon at all. It still was not growth for her to realize that even tho she wants to be a normal teenager girl she can’t fully have that wish but that doesn’t mean she can’t find a way to have some sense of normalcy.

Nope They just gave her a new compact and call it a day.

Like I said earlier this would be ok if other seasons she finally fully embrace it because it would been Character Development and Growth. Even in StarS it still felt like she was bucking against it.

Like 200 hundred episodes and still not accepting the mantle of Sailor Moon?

I’m going to say this one thing tho ,Yes I do feel like the wish was selfish BUT due to the fact that you can tell she had PTSD it’s understandable. That’s all I’m going to say on that.

It’s kind of ironic how the op say that only thing Crystal/Manga Usagi was good at being Sailor Moon but at the same token the 90's anime put a lot of stock in her being SM as a way for when romantic rivals found out she's Sailor Moon, they back off trying to shoot their shot with Mamoru then her just being Usagi Tsukino.

This happens twice in Sailor Moon SuperS.

Both Saori and FishEye backed up on trying to shoot their shot with Mamo once they realized Usagi is Sailor Moon.

Both of them was like “ Oh I see the reason why he with her because she’s Sailor Moon.”

To me this is worse than the fandom thinking the only reasons why he with her is because they are past lovers in SliMil.

They think he’s only with her cause he knows she’s Sailor Moon and nothing else.

The 90's anime is putting more merit and stock in her being Sailor Moon aka the superhero than her being Usagi aka normal teenage girl who does have hobbies like the op mentioned.

It’s almost like Usagi doesn’t have any value being the normal teenager who does act WAY childish at times but then she does has value when they find out she’s the senshi of justice.

They was all thinking that “How could he possibly see anything in this childish girl and she’s no where in my league ” to be like “ Damn She’s out of my league. I can’t touch her. No Wonder he’s with her”

But it’s not based on the merits of being Usagi Tsukino but Sailor Moon.

Her just being Usagi Tsukino has no weight to them at all and the writers.

To me that’s a huge problem and is an imbalance of power that is very present in the 90's anime. …

Her position as being Sailor Moon has more power than her being just Usagi Tsukino in the Magical Side (Fisheye) and the Civilian/Society side.( Saori)

Let’s put it like this

In the manga and crystal yes, Naoko does make it apparent that the inner senshi are the background singers who do get a solo song from time to time while Usagi is the main star. But they are still present and is there for battle.

It’s like Destiny Child where you knew Beyonce was the star but Kelly and Michelle was there, had their chance in the spotlight, helped in the writing process and the voices to prove it. They were a group that had each other backs. ( PGSM does fix this big time!)

In the 90′s anime it makes makes you think the inner senshi has multiple solos but as the seasons goes around you realized that Usagi is doing all the solos, the back up tracks, wrote, and produced the songs, the promos for the album and the senshi just there to the point they just get photoshoped in for a photo shoot for the cover.

Aka the Pussy Cat Dolls where Nicole was singing solo and back up tracks and the other ones was just there..

4. Villain Redemption

With one Villain who get like 20 plus episodes, with another only get one or two and then all of a sudden get a redemption in a matter of five seconds which have no weight to it and never been seen again to help out Usagi and the senshi? Who really don’t get any character development because the redemption happen so fast that really doesn’t give them time to actually think what they was doing was wrong? Or doesn’t even explain what their dreams are which would be considered character development? or get a sob story after almost killing everyone TWICE without ever thinking about the consequences of their actions and get a redo? That every major villain besides Beryl and the Doom phantom gets a damn redo??

The 90′s anime writers made redemption (not redemption arcs) into a novelty. It made it something that was given freely and not earned since they didn’t put in the work for that character to get it. It becomes a easy fix to a problem instead of just killing that villain. It become like Oprah giving free cars but to certain people.

“You get redeemed! You get redeemed! Naw! You don’t get one. You get redeemed!”

But just lacked the substance to make it feel real.

Because who doesn’t love good redemption arc?

You know when a villain realizes what they and their bosses is doing is wrong and is slowly but surely changing their ways and by the end of it helping the hero out.

Who doesn’t love that when it’s done right?

You get to know the character backstory, what make their character tick, get to see them look at their own actions, to feel remorseful about them and make decisions from themselves.( aka what they sort of did with Fisheye and the amazon trio but it happen like in two episodes which their last episodes. Even then it was still more of a selfish reason aka to stay human then actually realized what they done was wrong. Also even then FishEye pretty much did all the leg work meanwhile the other two really did nothing. )

You get to see them grow as character just like you see the hero does.

Which let me stop for a second to talk about this pic for a second

Now this was from a confession from the now deleted Pretty Senshi Confessions which was like one of the best SM confessions blog.

This was a pretty hot confession which gained like 600 notes which in this post you can see them.

I'm going to say this loud and clear.

This is not a double standard at all and it all comes from knowing backstory.

With the Shitennou thanks to the manga and crystal we know that they were Enydion guardians who where brainwashed by Metallia and Beryl.

We know that they were good in the beginning and not evil..

Thanks to Crystal they were trying to break the brainwashing but Beryl brainwashed them more in which Senshi in act 12 finally broke it.. ( not talking about the rest of 12 becasue that episode is still a clusterfuck but I digress)

So we know they were doing things of their free will.

That's a difference between the Ayahashi sisters and the Shittennou

Also the same thing applies to the Amazoness Quartet as it does with the Shittennou because in the manga and Eternal/Crystal they was good in the begging anyway. They supposed to be awaken and become Chibiusa gradians but Nehellenia found them woke them up and use them for her bidding. ( In the 90's anime she found them in the jungle and pretty much did the same thing and at the end they redeemed themselves by helping Chibiusa out.)

So in a sense you really can't call Shittennou and Amazon Quartet a redemption but them thanks the Senshi returning to what they originally supposed to be which is good but evil got ahold of them to make them evil.

It's a difference of that with them being brainwashed than being kind of swayed by darkness and realized what evil they was doing for the villain was wrong.

Their agency to realized what is right and wrong was taken away from them.

The Ayakashi sisters are originally ruthless terrorist who kill people not misguided young ladies in which Koan was in love with a dude who didn't give two shits about them ( in which she almost blew herself up with the bomb he gave her) in which the Senshi help them out and then they open up a make up shop which they were never heard from again.

In the words of blackmanta who really put this in perceptive.

"Koan MURDERED A MAN on SCREEN. An innocent person was *Murdered* and you want to do what? Reward that?

In the original Manga, she murdered a Little Girl.

But, you know, Gotta make her sympathetic like the 90′s anime because we can’t have villains being unapologetically Villains.

Not everyone deserves to be fleshed out

Not everyone *needs* to be fleshed out just because *you* like a rendition of their character. Especially not two-bit minor minions in the grand scheme of things.

I don’t hear anyone crying for the Witches 5 to get character development.

I don’t hear anyone going on about how terrible Crystal is for not giving the Witches 5 development."

Also silvermoon424 sums it up well

"I’m a bit annoyed at how the OP is trying to make Koan’s death an issue of feminism/social justice by claiming that it has “gross implications” and is a “double standard.” No, it’s not. The Shitennou used to be Mamoru’s loyal guardians and were noble, brave, and dedicated, just like the Senshi. They were brainwashed by Metallia and, after they regain their past memories, continue to act as Mamoru’s advisors and confidants even after they die.

Now, Anime!Koan is comparable to them, as it’s implied that she and her sisters were being brainwashed by the Black Crystal. Not only that, her misguided love for Rubeus drives her to do his bidding in the hopes of winning his heart; after Rei teaches her that she can live for herself and start over, she willingly lets herself be purified and tries to redeem herself by saving her sisters.

Crystal!/Manga!Koan, on the other hand, is basically just a terrorist. She (like the rest of her sisters) has a cultish devotion to the Black Moon Clan and is more than happy to murder anyone who stands in her way. She literally burns a small child to death because the girl just happened to see her.

Koan isn’t redeemed because there’s nothing to redeem, not because she’s a woman. If she was a male instead, the exact same fate would have awaited her because she’s evil. Do I prefer the classic anime’s approach instead? Definitely, I love the Ayakashi Sisters’ redemption arc. But I’m not going to begrudge Crystal for killing them off instead, because it doesn’t have an obligation to stick to the original anime."

In the manga we are presented with the A sisters being ruthless and who enjoys cause devastation in which some villain like to do.

Blow up shit and cause hell.

Not every villain have to be this trouble soul who needs to figure out their error of their ways and become a better person for the greater good.

A villain can be just be a villain doing villain things and try to fuck up shit for our heroes.

You can have simple villain and you can have complex villain

We are not presented with the idea of them being swayed by Doom Phantom and realizing what they was doing in which the 90's anime did but but it happen so quickly that doesn't have any meat to feel full. Just something put together at the last min.

We are presented that they very much know what they are doing and enjoy doing it for the hell of it which is also not nothing wrong with that at all.

And that's other thing

Everyone goes on and on about the A sisters redemption which happens in like three episodes ( Episodes 70 to 72 which one for each sister but two had to share which was episode 72 which was Calaveras and Petz( someone always have to share.. ) but don't saying anything about the with the Witches Five who literary killed each other and fighting over the attention of Tomoe in the 90's anime meanwhile in Manga/Crystal where created to be vessels be the prefect alien/human hybrid which they just competing to a Magus.

No one calls for their redemption at all.

But everyone calls for the redemption of the A sisters and Amazon Trio..

Moving on

The villains in the manga if they wasn’t the big bad acted like the monster of the day.

Naoko didn’t have time to make all those villains question their moral judgement. She barely had time for her own heroes to question their moral judgement.

They were in one act in which either Usagi or the senshi (inner or outer) kills them and we on to the big bad. Get rid of them and on to the bigger fish which they need their energy for.

I didn’t mind the manga or crystal them having one episode because all them got one episode which was equal.

In the 90s anime, those villains become the sub villains meanwhile they had their own villains which became the monster of day. While yes it was cool that the sub villains did get more time and “fleshed out “ but it wasn’t equal at all.

If you really look at each season for each sub villain group it be only like 2 to 3 of the group that gets the most screen time and episodes.

This is pretty much episodes where they are the main focus and not episodes if they were in. Since from villains have some overlap where they interact with the main subvillain that is focus before they become the focus.

Shitennou

Jadeite -13

Nephrite 11

Zoisite 11

Kunzite/Evil Endy- 9

Doom Gloom Girls -1

Evil Endy- 1

A Sisters

Koan- 4

Calaveas-5

Berthier- 5

Pretz- 6

Black Moon Clan

Rubus -2

Esmeraude-7

Diamond-2

Sapphire-1

Black Lady- 4

As you can tell the A sisters are pretty much equal while the Shittenou is off a little but still a little equal and The Main Black Moon Clan is off. But when get the Witches Five..

Kaolinite is supported to be the leader of the Witches Five so she had 13 episodes. Lets look at the rest..

Eudial -10

Mimete -9

Tellu- 1

Viluy-1

Cyprine/ Ptilol-1

By the time Tellu, Villuy, and Cyprine comes to the scene, the season is pretty much over which they all get a episode a piece and act like more like a monster of the day.

The Amazon Trio

TigerEye - 11

HawkEye - 5

FishEye- 5

Then you have the monster of day besides a handful few really didn’t have character since they was there for one episode to cause hell and then Usagi kills them.

In which yes some of them ( A sisters, Amazon Trio and Quartet, and even Nehprite) did question their moral judgment but it was still half assed cause it happened of a course of one episode or two episodes.

You didn’t have like a good couple consecutive episodes where the villain started to realized what they was doing was wrong. It probably be like two episodes at most where they realized it and the next episode they are getting redeemed. Yeah they make you feel for the character but it’s not enough time to me to make it feel like an arc. A journey that character goes though along with the hero. It almost feel like insta-love. You know how two people just met in a story and five seconds later they are saying I love you even tho they barely know each other name and fave color? That’s how a redemption is the 90′s anime feel. It’s a insta-redemption but not an arc. It happens quick as hell and it’s given freely but not earned. You don’t feel like the character is remorseful for what they have done and want to correct it. It just feel all of sudden cause the writers just though about it.

There’s one redemption that I want to focus on to prove my point.

Nehellenia

This is most serious cases are insta-redemption to me.I know some people would say it’s not really a redemption but the fact she got a do-over it’s a redemption to me and going to treat it as such. She got a second chance which to me she didn’t deserve it.

Just look what she did in SuperS and Stars.

Tries to take over earth twice. First by her circus and then by the mirrors as her revenge.

Tries to kill Chibiusa twice. The first time throwing her unconscious body off her floating circus into the Tokyo skyline. ( Like seriously for that offense alone she didn’t deserve to get one) The second time by trying to wipe her out of existence by putting a spell on Mamo via mirror.

Tries to kill the senshi multiple times.

Tries to kill Usagi multiple times and freaking struggle her. cause her eyes shows some sympathy for her.

Tries to kill Mamoru first by making the earth sick which made him sick since he connected to it and then by turning him into a puppet via mirror.

She does all this shit in a matter of two arcs and what she gets instead of getting killed?

A freaking do over. A chance to turn back into a kid and do things differently from her kingdom…

Yes she told a sob story about being alone but it didn’t warrant a “redemption” to me. I didn’t feel that she realized what she did was wrong and was sorry for doing it. It honestly more of Usagi feeling pity for her and instead of killing her give her a do-over. It didn’t feel real at all since we didn’t even get a chance to know her or see her question her actions. She was always blood thirsty so her getting a second chance wasn’t wanted. I just feel like the writers wrote themselves into a hole and this how they got themselves out.

What make these insta-redemption frustrating in the 90′s anime is the fact is they had plenty of episodes where they could have made them into redemption arcs compared to the manga where Naoko was like “ Fuck It! I don’t have time to redeem a villain cause I barely got time give my core characters development” The manga is very black and white when it comes to villains compared to the 90′s anime where they can be black and white or morally grey at best.( Cough Sapphire Cough) They had time to make a good redemption arc on a particular character by they didn’t do it. So we are stuck with these insta-redemption that don’t make a lick of sense cause the person didn’t earn them. .

I have to talk about the OP line real quick.

" In Crystal, the heroines will kill a person without a second thought which I am shocked that no one brings up how repetitive and contradictory that is. The pretty warrior of love and justice should by all means protect the Earth, but doing so by killing off the bad guy all time is not love or justice."

I'm sorry but it not contradictory to being a warrior of Love and Justice when a person comes to your damn planet with ill intentions to try to take over the planet and trying to hurt the people you love and trying to protect.

You can't all sit by a camp fire and sing kumbaya and all your problems will be solved.

You do what you have to do in order to protect what and who matters.

It is not contradictory because Usagi does what she have to do to protect the planet and people that she loves from outside threats who want to cause harm.

Especially the fact the A sisters in the Manga and Crystal who was pretty much kidnapping her friends one by one and causing hell for her.

Which they were also killing people without a second thought.

5.Knowing Mamoru better.

Mamoru is just literary his backstory and nothing else in the 90’s anime which they honestly kept him complacent.

He never really had any episodes they was really focusing on him and learning about him thought his lens like we got the girls.

The closest was got to that is during the Rainbow Crystal arc, Break Up arc, R Movie and after that nothing.

He becomes a solid character in S and SuperS which supports Usagi, Chibisusa and the girls but doesn’t grow. Just become the human tug of war rope between Usagi and Chibusa Like he was really good in SuperS but the fact that he really didn’t get his character development and the Golden Crystal..

Yes the things we did learn from him like him being college student, owning his own apartment, car, and motorcycle and not like vegetables or shots but not in his perceptive per se. Like we didn't found out he was a college student or even his name until episode 15 which Motoki introduced him as one of friends from college.

In which they had to age him up instead of just having him as a high schooler which he supposed to be.

It was always someone else telling us this information about him and not him tell this information about himself.

The only information he really told about himself was dealing with his parents and him not liking shots which he told Ami.

It is bad enough in the 90's anime that we don't even know when his birthday was which like I said before would be considered as character development as well.

In which in the Manga we do found out thanks to Usagi

Since the 90′s anime really diminished his role in the final battles a lot

Classic/Dark Kingdom

90’s Anime- Get’s Kidnapped, Brainwashed, tried to kill Usagi in which Usagi cleans him but gets killed by Beryl while saving Usagi. Dies in her arms. Doesn’t help in the final battle.

Manga/Crystal- Gets Kidnap and Brainwashed to thinking he’s Endymion (per se) but after it was the reveal the the shitennou stones saved him form Usagi stab,he was right behind her giving her his strength and support as she defeat Metallia. He also told how how to defeat Metallia thanks to the shitnnou. Happens in Crystal too.

Black Moon

90’s Anime- Actively participates in the battle along Sensh to give his energy to Usa and Chibs. (In R movie but he was Kidnapped after Fiore tried to stab Usagi and took the blow for her but was there and chance into Endymion when she was trying to slow the asteroid down.. ) ( Only battle he was in)

Manga/Crystal- Falls into the Death Phantom’s lair along with the Senshi.She wakes ups in his arms after they were separated from the senshi. Tells Usagi that she needs to believe in herself and he give his strength to help her defeat Dead Phantom along with Chibiusa which he is by her side in Battle.

This was added in Crystal but when they were attacking Doom Phantom he was right behind her giving his strength to her.

S/Infinity

90′s anime- Gives his energy to keep Chibiusa alive once her pure heart was stolen to awaken Mistress 9. ( aka life support) (not in the final battle)

Manga/Crystal - Gives his energy to keep but after Chibiusa get her pure heart back thanks to Saturn which awakes, he goes into the battle along with Chiubsa to help out Usagi and the senshi. ( Still uses La Bomber)

SuperS/Dream

90’s Anime- Becomes very sick due the fact the Earth and Elsyion(which is protect by the earth) is being attack thanks the Dead Moon circus.(not in the final battle)

Manga/Crystal/Eternal- Becomes very sick due to his connection with the Earth and Elysion but Usa get sick with him as well ..It is reveal that he’s the holder of the Golden Crystal which is the equivalent of the Sliver Crystal in which they have to break the seal . He release the power of the Golden Crystal to help Usagi and the Senshi in Eternal Forms to defeat Zirconia and Nehellenia. Turns into King Endymion along with Usag turning into NQS to cleanse Earth and Elysion.

Stars

90’s Anime- A floating star seed after Galaxia kills him on the airplane when he was leaving for America.

Manga/Crystal/Eternal- Galaxia kills him and take his star seed first at the airport which Usa sees but blocks it out. Galaxia reanimate his corpse to taunt Usa with.

In the manga he has an active role in the final battle AFTER he either kidnapped or out of commission for a while with the only one he’s not in is Stars Arc because he and the girls are died. Meanwhile in the 90′s anime he’s only active in R Season as a whole. Which R movie is the only one he’s playing an active role after his kidnapping.

Meanwhile in the 90’s anime he just becomes an liability instead of an asset that he was in the manga.

In which you never have him question his purpose of him wanting to do more for Usagi but just have him in this box.

It was like he was ok being a dude in distress. Like it he doesn’t have this sense of wanting to do more and want to be more helpful to her. He just ok where he is at which to be is not realistic.

Like he was just ok throwing roses, saying speeches, having a cane to fight for a second, and then get hurt, almost killed or kidnapped.

While she was getting stronger he just stayed the same and he was fine with that.

Meanwhile Naoko making him question is he bring Usagi down, does he have the power to protect her in which he had a talk with the Shintenou about that. Like he always felt like he wasn’t good enough to protect even tho she always tell him that he gives her strength and she knows that she can depend on him.

Chibiusa was getting stronger he start to feel like he wasn’t needed. Since he always struggled with that since Black Moon arc. Actually since Dark Kingdom when he said he couldn’t protect her. I mean he said in Infinity that he felt like he was giving Chibiusa away on her wedding day. He felt like she has grown so much as a senshi and young girl that she didn’t need his protection anymore. He had to resistant himself from going to comfort her aka hug her when Hotaru died. He knew she had a job to do which help Usagi and he told her to do it.

Mamoru in the manga and crystal was an actual character who have doubts and fears in which the character helped him grow out of it and start to grow into himself and power along with Uasgi and not on objectified eye candy that the 90′s anime male writers made him as the series went. Who you only learn things about from other people and not directly from him but a bunch of times.

In which you found what his Dream was which was t0 protect the Earth along with Usagi in which they become equals.

So I really don’t have a conclusion to this because it was so long. Lol

Just wanted to give my thoughts.

#tanya rants about SM #long post #this thing is 10k words #holy shit #Sailor Moon #Sailor Moon Manga #Sailor Moon Crystal #Sailor Moon Eternal

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Sailor Moon Mega Masterpost( Newly Revised Edition)

I decided to do a new version of my master post (which is here if you still want to look it)because most of the links doesn’t work anymore.

What is Sailor Moon?

Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon( Pretty Soldier Sailor Moon) Created by Naoko Takeuchi is a multi media franchise that has spanned over two decades that has shaped the face of the modern Magical Girl genre.

What is Sailor Moon about?

“Sailor Moon is about a 14 year girl called Usagi Tuskino who find this cat name Luna on the street. This cat is a magical cat who gives Usagi a magical brooch so she can transform into Sailor Moon, the champion of Love and Justice. Her mission is to find the other Sailor Senshi so they can find an lost Princess of an ancient Kingdom which wield an magical artifact called the Legendary Sliver Crystal which have unlimited power. They have to find her and the crystal before both of them fall into the hands of evil.”

How many versions are there?

Sailor Moon Manga- This is where it all begin. 60 acts/chapters broken into five arcs ( 12 volumes for the 2nd edition and 10 volumes for the Eternal Edition) which each act/ chapter is roughly 40-60 pages long.

Codename: Sailor V Manga- A prequel featuring Minako Anio as Sailor V one year prior to the events in Sailor Moon.

Sailor Moon Original Anime- 200 episodes broken into five seasons/ story arcs which roughly based off the manga. The most popular version of the Sailor Moon franchise. There are two official English dubs of Sailor Moon( DiC/ Cloverway ( 1995) and Viz Media ( 2014) )

Sailor Moon Crystal- An anime reboot of the series that follows the original manga story line closer.

Sera Myu- Musicals that are based from the manga, anime or is original to the musical itself. The Musicals has over 31 separate productions with over 800 total performances.

PGSM- Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon is a 49 episodes and two specials live action series that is based off only the Dark Kingdom arc.

What are the Story arcs/Seasons ?

There are Five Story Arcs that pretty much make up the story of Sailor Moon ( Dark Kingdom, Black Moon Clan, Mugen Academy/ Infinity, Dream ,and Stars)

Here's the break down. 1.Dark Kingdom Arc

Sailor Moon Classic: Episodes:1-46 (46 episodes -31 plot 15 filler)

Sailor Moon Crystal: Episodes: 1-14

Manga Acts: 1-14

Second Reprint: Volume: 1 Acts 1-6, Volume:2.Acts 7-11, Voulme:3. Acts 12- 16 (Act 15 Start Black Moon Arc)

Eternal Editions: Volume 1: Acts 1-7 ,Volume 2:Acts 8-14

2. Black Moon Clan Arc

Sailor Moon R Episodes: 47-89 (43 Episodes – With Doom Tree Arc not as Filler :36 plot 7 filler ,With Doom Tree Arc considered as filler: 23 Plot and 20 filler )

Make up! Sailor Senshi(Shown Before Sailor Moon R Movie in Theaters)

Sailor Moon R Movie (After Episode 77 and before Episode 82.)

Sailor Moon Crystal Episodes: 14-26 ( Act 14 acts as bridge between the DK and BM arcs)

Manga Acts: 14-26

Second Reprint: Volume 4: Acts 17-21,Volume 5:Acts 22- 26

Eternal Editions: Volume 3: Acts 15-21 Volume 4:Acts 22-26, Chibiusa's Picture Diary #1,Casablanca Memory

3. Mugen Academy /Infinity Arc

Sailor Moon S Episodes 90-127 (39 Episodes - 29 plot 10 filler)

Sailor Moon S Movie (Around Episode 122)

Sailor Moon Crystal Episodes: 27- 39

Manga Acts: 27- 38

Second Reprint: Volume 6:Acts 27-30 ,Volume 7:Acts 31-35 ,Volume 8: Acts 36-39 (Act 39 Starts Dream Arc)

Eternal Editions: Volume 5:Acts 27-33 Volume 6: Acts 34-38,Chibiusa's Picture Diary #2,The Lover of Princess Kaguya

4. Dream Arc

Sailor Moon SuperS Episodes: 128-166 (38 episodes -23 plot 15 filler)

Sailor Moon SuperS Special ( After Episode 130)

Ami's First Love (Shown before Sailor Moon SuperS Movie in Theaters)

Sailor Moon Supers Movie(You can watch after the season)

Sailor Moon Crystal: Sailor Moon Eternal Movies: Part 1:Jan 11th,2021 Part 2: Feb 8th,2021

Manga Acts: 39- 49

Second Reprint : Volume 9: Acts 40-44 , Volume 10:Acts 45-49

Eternal Editions: Volume 7: Acts 39-44 Volume 8: Acts 45-49,Chibiusa's Picture Diary #3,Exam Battle Stores #1-3

5. Stars Arc

Sailor Moon Stars Episodes: 167 -200(Episodes 25 Plot 9 Filler)

Sailor Moon Crystal/Eternal: TBA

Manga Acts: 50-60

Second Reprint: Volume 11: Acts 50-54,Volume 12:Acts 55-60

Eternal Editions: Volume 9: Acts 50-55 Volume 10: Acts 56-60, The Secret of the Hammer Price Shrine, Parallel Sailor Moon